Now, off topic. How did food happen to evolve at the same time man did? And, why doesn't food change, after these millions of years to something not food so it won't get destroyed every day by hungry people and animals? Natural selection doesn't seem to handle that too well.
Scientists have launched the world's biggest radiotelescope, in the Netherlands. They said that it is capable of even detecting faint signals "from almost as far back as the Big Bang" (in the beginning). [...]
According to one scientist, "The observations that we will be able to make will allow us to learn more about the origin of the universe, back to the moment right after the Big Bang" (in the beginning).
Then again, they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble, time, and money if they simply listened to Genesis chapter 1. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the first four words: "In the beginning God...”
Ray, since we're talking about a world without religion, we would also be talking about A WORLD WITHOUT ATHEISM, which is also a religion requiring a large measure of faith in the unseen:
Atheism has:
1) Its zealous heroes - R. Dawkins, Carl Sagan, etc.
2) Zealous followers full of anger, bitterness, hatred, and emotionalism (just look at some of the responses here).
3) Strong beliefs - MACROevolutionism, "modified" Big Bang and other cosmological models, Abiogenesis, and many other completely unscientific and unprovable beliefs.
4) A political manifesto with directives such as "They (creationists) must be silenced", Steven J. Gould, Atheist, MACROevolutionist, Harvard Professor of Paleontology
5) Major fiascos from within like "Ida" and many others errors.
Believing in God or being a creationist has nothing to do with going to Heaven. Every sane person believes in the existence of God. I believed in God before I was a Christian. Going to Heaven comes by the grace of God (His mercy) through trust in Jesus.
Our beliefs have nothing to do with reality. If I didn’t believe in gravity, atoms, radio waves, the wind, love, etc., because I have never seen any of these things, does not mean they don't exist because I don’t believe in them. Their existence has nothing to do with what I believe or don’t believe.
["Ray, In light of the following verses: 1 Chronicles 16:30: 'He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.' Psalm 93:1: 'Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...' Psalm 96:10: 'He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...' Psalm 104:5: 'Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.' Isaiah 45:18: '...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...' Are you willing to admit the Bible is in error, or does the earth in fact sit immobile and fixed in the sky?"]
The above question is typical of the skeptic. He reads those verses and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth sits "immobile" and "fixed in the sky."
Atheists are so stupid. You work really hard to discredit Mr. Comfort, but in turn prove his point.
Go ask individual atheists on their morals. Oh really? What would we ask of Stalin? or of Mao? Or how about Pol Pot?
Ask any Christian of where the laws and morals come from? If they aren't an idiot they all will say from God.
Ask atheists, who knows what their answer will be. So many of them will say society or from their own locigal conclusions.
What if like stalin or mao decide they need to eliminate thier political rivals.
And to pronounce that you are better or more moral then God is just down right disgusting.
You lie, cheat, steal, covet, commit homosexual crimes (YES CRIMES!), you are adulterers and fornicaters. You also take pleasure in your sins. You justify your sins. Then you accuse God of being immoral.
You disgust me. (SPIT)
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
Little children are not "drunkards", and the most important part is "all Israel shall hear, and fear." I wonder how many less disobedient sons they had after ONE was disciplined that way.
Back in April 1999, ABC TV put a racy billboard of a naked woman lying on her stomach in my neighborhood in Southern California. The image had a small towel draped across her backside, to keep it legal. When I saw that, I purchased an 18-foot ladder, climbed up the billboard and stapled a huge orange blanket over that naked woman’s body. I don’t want some sexually depraved pervert getting off on ABC’s dirt, and raping and murdering my wife or daughter.
My wife is a devout Catholic, and I'm a staunch Calvinist Protestant so we butt heads on evolution all the time. She claims that a 'day' described in Genesis (7 days of creation) could have a total different meaning back while the earth, moon, sun were being created - so 1 day could have been 1 billion years. I personally believe in the literal translation that it took 7 days - if it was any different, why would the Word of God tell us 7 days when it actually was 1mil-1bil years.
But, on a personal level, I overlook her wacky beliefs...
In response to "Ephemeral Mortal said...I just love this site. It's great to see all these atheists hanging on by the skin of their teeth." Atheist Kourou replied "Well, I suppose that if you can believe in talking snakes you can believe anything."
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Ray Comfort posted:
"...Do you believe in talking birds? Do you think porpoises speak to each other? How about whales? Do dogs communicate to each other? Do you think they understand English words? Have you ever spoken to a dog? Has a dog or cat ever "told" you that it was hungry? Have you ever heard of dogs warning their owners of a fire in their home? I presume that you believe that man evolved from fish. Why then is your mind so closed to the possibility that an animal could communicate with humans? It seems that the atheist mind is open to anything as long as it’s not in the Bible. I wonder why?"
Athiest need to wake up. They want God to prove Himself on there terms. on earth a king will not do something on the terms of any pesant wores if he has broken the kings law. God is king of kings and Lord of lord. He will not prove himself to a bunch of law breakers on there terms
STOP ASKING CHRISTIANS TO PROVE GOD TO YOU ON YOUR TERMS YOU AHEIST AND REPENT!
The problem with the atheist is that he doesn’t believe in his own quote-mined version of God. He has an image of God that doesn’t exist. He is only an atheist in his own mind.
[Response to "Evolution means that we're all distant cousins: humans and oak trees, hummingbirds and whales" at http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_02 ]
Where would such smart people come up with utter balderdash? What time wasted on idiocy....
What was that? Athiests calling me a fool? or a religeous nut?
Well atleast I don't waste my time digging up rocks and making profound statements that people and trees come from a common ancestor. Sheer lunacy. Do you evolutionists even hear yourself talk?
If you want to be related to trees, well you go ahead.. But what I fear most is that you are actually related to the squirrels, and your relatives are calling you from the top of the tree.
I was listening to the Hallelujah Chorus of Handel's Messiah recently and thinking about what atheists have as an equivalent. An equivalent? They don't have a Bible, they don't belong to a Church, they don't have a relationship with God, and they don't have their own music. That's because they have nothing to sing about. Without God, atheism would have no reason to exist.
Darwin theorized that mankind (both male and female) evolved alongside each other over millions of years, both reproducing after their own kind before the ability to physically have sex evolved. They did this through "asexuality" ("without sexual desire or activity or lacking any apparent sex or sex organs"). Each of them split in half ("Asexual organisms reproduce by fission (splitting in half)." Ask A Scientist, Biology Archive, http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99927.htm.)
Darwin theorized that mankind (both male and female) evolved in their pre-human state alongside each other over millions of years, both reproducing after their own kind before the ability to physically have sex evolved. They did this through "asexuality" ("without sexual desire or activity or lacking any apparent sex or sex organs"). Each of them split in half
Was the recovery a miracle? Perhaps. Then again, perhaps it wasn’t. Only God knows. The fact is that we have no idea what happened. However, one thing we do know is that answered or unanswered prayer has nothing to do with God’s existence. Let me explain. My wife has a Dodge Caravan. Let’s say it has a problem. What would be my intellectual capacity if I concluded that it had no manufacturer simply because I couldn’t contact them about the dilemma? The fact of their existence has nothing to do with whether or not they return my calls.
[Ray builds a straw atheist to ask him 7 questions which he then fails to answer. The 7th answer is a particularly delicious slice of failure pie.]
Questions/arguments from a skeptic
1. God is Light, yet He creates the sun, for what purpose?
He created the sun so that we could have life on this planet. Without the sun, there can be no life.
2. God is Light, and He creates Himself by saying let there be light.
God is light, but the sun is created light. Science tells us that it had a beginning. God was its first cause.
3. God creates the moon as a light, but we know it is not a light.
We are aware that it merely reflects the sun's light, but it is a light that shines at night, as the Bible says. Haven't you heard of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata?
4. Why create a light before the sun/stars/moon? Surely God can work in the dark just as easily.
Again, God is light. He doesn't need anything to show Him His creation. The darkness it like light to Him (see Psalm 139:11-12).
5. God creates the Earth before the Sun, what gravitational field is the Earth sitting in?
Every planetary body (including the Earth) is surrounded by its own gravitational field, which exerts an attractive force on all objects. God created gravity, and He holds all things together by His own power (see Colossians 1:17).
6. God creates things in three days with "evening and morning" yet in order to have an evening and morning it relies on the Earth to rotate and the light source to come from a point, but God is everywhere.
God created every law of nature, and He is not bound by His own creation. He has power over thunder, lightning, earthquakes, the sun, and the wind, and even over you...as you will eventually find out.
7. Why did God only create radiation of a certain wave-length?
You will have to ask Him that one yourself. However, please realize that He will not even hear (take notice of) your requests while you have sin or doubt in your life (see Psalm 66:18). So don’t expect an answer (see James 1:6-7).
[You're going to love this...hide your irony meters, folks!]
A Request to Atheists
A publisher has asked if I can suggest someone to give a me Foreword for my new book, You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think.
Any takers? If we use it, I will make sure you get attribution. The book is due out Jan/Feb. 2009, so you will need to be quick. Thanks.
It’s been right under our noses all this time. We have finally found the missing link. The tadpole evolves into the frog in a matter of weeks.
Of course, a true evolutionist believes that the tadpole isn’t a true fish.
We don’t have to prove that God exists to the professing atheist. This is because he intuitively knows that He exists. Every person has a God-given conscience. The Bible tells us that this is the “work of the law written on their hearts.” Just as every sane person human being knows that it’s wrong to lie, steal, kill and commit adultery, he knows that God should be first in his life.
[The comment is in response to this: "Do babies go to hell? I mean if any sin no matter how small is worthy of infinite torture, is God torturing babies for grabbing candy from other baby? Toddlers can lie and steal. Does God have a tiny torture chamber for them?"]
The baby had tainted with sinful blood and therefore must go to Hell. Jesus is the only way out of Hell.
(On what came first, the chicken or the egg)
Let’s get into a little philosophical talk ourselves. Let’s say evolution was responsible for the beginning, and let’s say the egg was the first to evolve (before the chicken). Why did it do that? Why would there be nothing, and over millions of years, nothing became simple organisms, then these organisms became an egg? I can understand that a fish evolved legs and lungs over millions of years--because he (and his necessary female help mate) wanted to breathe, and to walk on dry land. But why would a thoughtless egg appear first and then want to become a chicken? How and why did it evolve with a yolk, a white, and a shell shaped like . . . like and egg? If the egg was shaped with a rounded point at each end for ease-of-laying (a square egg would be painful), how did evolution know to make it that shape if there were never any chickens in the first place to know that an egg is made to be laid?
(there's even more fail where this came from)
"lonomoholo said...To Christians: Is there any evidence you can offer to show that the soul is real? Anything credible that is, without the fallback to quoting the Bible."
One question for you. Can you email me any evidence you can offer to show that atheism is real? Anything credible that is, without the fallback of using a computer or any transmitting device.
Whether you believe it or not, the Bible is God's revelation to humanity. It's only there that you will find explanations of what the soul is--its Creator, its very essence, its eternal destiny, etc. The word is used 432 times in Scripture, so if you are seeking truth, why do you censure the Bible?
[creationist trying to excuse the practice of misquoting]
From Pvblivs: "To the christians on this blog:
"Have you noticed that when people accuse Ray of taking quotes out of context (quote mining) they actually provide the context they say is appropriate? In short, they back up their accusations. It's not a case of claiming quote mining without evidence."
But what they are overlooking is what is hidden inside the context. Smart writers/speakers who don't want to openly concede a point will sneak a seemingly insignificant statement into a paragraph or so, knowing that their followers will never doubt them for a second, and knowing that their detractors are often to afraid of such accusations to point out such incidents. It's very easy to do. It's called manipulation, and you guys are victims of it.
Here’s a couple of ways I have recently heard about to engage people when witnessing. Offer $10 to anyone who can name all ten of the Ten Commandments, in order (very few can). That will get groups of people quoting the Commandments and making it easy to ask who’s kept what. Or, when open air preaching and taking someone through the Good Person Test, appoint six people in the crowd to act as a jury. People are usually quick to judge other people’s sins. That will help engage the crowd, and take the heat off you. Or when asking trivia questions, give Million Dollar Bill tracts away as consolation prizes to those who get the answer wrong, and Giant Money tracts to those who get them right. That way you can get tracts into more hands.
I was on my knees, my face on the floor, my head was hurting, and my wrists were red and burning with pain. The big officer spat out, “Do you like being in this position!” Good sense told me to hold back from saying, “Hey, I’m a Christian. I’m on my knees. Of course I like this position.”
I have an encouraging wife. She was made for Comfort. It was November of 2007, and the following month I was going to turn 58. As I was about to get into bed I looked into the mirror at my shirt-less physique, and consoled myself with the words, “Could be worse.” Sue quietly mumbled, “Not much . . . ” The way she said those words reminded me of the time I was running towards the back door of our house and hit my arm on the corner of a wall. I often do that sort of thing (if I pick up a hammer, Sue gets a band aide). As I lay on the ground and writhed in pain for a few minutes, I could hear my youngest son (then in his late teens) working in the garage. Just because hurting myself is an almost daily occurrence, it was no reason for him to take no notice, so I said, “Daniel. How come you didn’t come out to see if I was okay? For all you know I could have hit my head and gone insane.” He quietly mumbled, “How would we have known?
"To Christians: Is there any evidence you can offer to show that the soul is real? Anything credible that is, without the fallback to quoting the Bible."
One question for you. Can you email me any evidence you can offer to show that atheism is real? Anything credible that is, without the fallback of using a computer or any transmitting device.
@tripmaster monkey @ aceofclubs:
So, you agree that Christianity is good? And if you agree that Christianity is good, then you agree that Christ is good, right? And if you agree that Christ is good, then you agree that Christ is God - because no one is good but God - right? And if you agree that Christ is God, then you agree that there is a God, right? Sounds to me that in your attempt to insult Ray, you have disproven your own belief system.
It is because of God's love that I care about the fate of those that lack intelligence (atheists). When the atheist says that there is no evidence that God exists, I take the time to reason with him about creation not being an accident, even though it is intellectually demeaning to have to do so (atheism is the epitome of stupidity). It's an intellectual embarrassment. But I have done so thousands of times, and will do so until my last breath . . . thanks alone to the love of God that dwells in me.
The Atheist Starter Kit
If you are a beginner atheist, there's a belief system you should embrace and a language you should learn, or you will find yourself in trouble. Here are ten suggestions for the novice:
1. Whenever you are presented with credible evidence for God's existence, call it a "straw man argument," or "circular reasoning." If something is quoted from somewhere, label it "quote mining."
2. When a Christian says that creation proves that there is a Creator, dismiss such common sense by saying "That's just the old watchmaker argument."
3. When you hear that you have everything to gain and nothing to lose (the pleasures of Heaven, and the endurance of Hell) by obeying the Gospel, say "That's just the old 'Pascal wager.'"
4. You can also deal with the "whoever looks on a woman to lust for her, has committed adultery with her already in his heart," by saying that there is no evidence that Jesus existed. None.
5. Believe that the Bible is full of mistakes, and actually says things like the world is flat. Do not read it for yourself. That is a big mistake. Instead, read, believe, and imitate Richard Dawkins. Learn and practice the use of big words. "Megalo-maniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully" is a good phrase to learn.
6. Say that you were once a genuine Christian, and that you found it to be false. (The cool thing about being an atheist is that you can lie through your teeth, because you believe that are no moral absolutes.) Additionally, if a Christian points out that this is impossible (simply due to the very definition of Christianity as one who knows the Lord), just reply "That's the 'no true Scotsman fallacy.'" PLEASE NOTE: It cannot be overly emphasized how learning and using these little phrases can help you feel secure in dismissing common sense.
7. Believe that nothing is 100% certain, except the theory of Darwinian evolution. Do not question it. Believe with all of your heart that there is credible scientific evidence for species-to-species transitional forms. When you make any argument, pat yourself on the back by concluding with "Man, are you busted!" That will make you feel good about yourself.
8. Deal with the threat of eternal punishment by saying that you don't believe in the existence of Hell. Then convince yourself that because you don't believe in something, it therefore doesn't exist. Don't follow that logic onto a railway line and an oncoming train.
9. Blame Christianity for the atrocities of the Roman Catholic church--when it tortured Christians through the Spanish Inquisition, imprisoned Galileo for his beliefs, or when it murdered Moslems in the Crusades.
10. Finally, keep in fellowship with other like-minded atheists who believe as you believe, and encourage each other in your beliefs. Build up your faith. Never doubt for a moment. Remember, the key to atheism is to be unreasonable. Fall back on that when you feel threatened. Think shallow, and keep telling yourself that you are intelligent. Remember, an atheist is someone who pretends there is no God.
Good people don’t go to Hell. The trouble is that the word "good" is relative. Your good may be different from my good, and Hitler’s good is no doubt different from what our idea of good.
There is a difference between being a "believer" and being a Christian. Every sane human being is a "believer" in God’s existence. Some people pretend He doesn’t exist (atheists) but they know He does. I know what the atheist knows because God’s Word tells me that He has given light to every man. He cannot plead ignorance.
"Emily" quoting someone else:
"Albert Einstein will not be forever remembered for an argument about how well his, er, banana fit his hand."
Actually, Ray will be remembered on earth as a soul winner for Christ. And in Heaven, Ray will receive crown(s) for everything he did in the Name of our Savior Jesus Christ.
Of course he will always be a mere joke to atheists and other non-believers, because the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. Speaking of perishing, if you reject Jesus Christ as your Savior, then you too will remember Ray as a soul winner when you're in hell for eternity, regretting your decision.
If (as is commonly accepted) the natural phenomenon of evolution had no end in mind when it created all living things, it is incredibly intelligent, but it forgot that they would go spinning into space without the law of gravity. So it was fortunate for us that gravity just happened to be around to stop that disaster.
Where did gravity then come from? If evolution had nothing to do with it, who or what created it? "Chance" or "accident" is too bigger leap of blind faith for me. The evolutionist's version of "just believe" isn't good enough. I want verifiable scientific facts.
You are begging the question. Please prove that I have no evidence that God exists. The problem is, I have presented evidence, such as YOUR ability to reason, you just discount the evidence subject to your presuppositions. The thing is though, your presuppositions cannot account for your ability to reason, whereas mine do.
By the way Dale, how is it that you know that your ability to reason is valid again? Oh wait, you haven’t answered that yet.
God made the rules for us – to protect us.
If he never made humans then murder would never be a moral issue. It’s only an issue for us – not God.
God can’t covet – He owns it all.
God can’t steal – again He owns the universe.
God can’t murder – He owns his creatures, He gave them life, He can take it back. (If you don’t like this truth it’s because you know you’re not ready to die; you’re not ready to meet God)
God can’t dishonor his mother and father – He didn’t have any, He’s eternal.
But yet as a man in Jesus Christ – God followed every single commandment. Why don't you look at the life of Christ for a moral judgment of God - then you can apply your "earthly" view of what God did as one of us - and then you'll see that God really is sinless.
[so rules don't apply to god, that's how he's "sinless" eh?]
I think you guys are missing the point. Light is invisible, yet we can see it. That's a miracle from God!
Dale said: "I didn't say I could prove science exists.
I said I can prove scientists exist."
I stand corrected. My apologies. Okay Dale, the floor is yours, please prove that scientists exist.
Cheers,
Sye
[Jesus, it's people like this that just sap my will to live...on the other hand, it'd be fun to tazer him and then ask him to use his standard of proof to show that you assaulted him!]