Republican state legislators in Texas, Oklahoma, Utah, and both Carolinas (South Carolina was first!) have this year proposed various bills that would give government officials who perform civil marriage ceremonies and/or issue marriage licenses and other related documents the ability to refuse same-sex couples if it would violate a "sincerely held religious belief."
Additionally, Oklahoma State Rep. Todd Russ proposed to take civil officials out of the marriage business altogether and force prospective couples to be married by "an ordained or authorized preacher or minister of the Gospel, priest or other ecclesiastical dignitary of any denomination who has been duly ordained or authorized by the church to which he or she belongs to preach the Gospel, or a rabbi." Not a Christian or a Jew? Out of luck, apparently, although Rep. Russ says anyone else who wants to get married can "fil[e] an affidavit of common law marriage with the court clerk." Small problem: The state of Oklahoma doesn't recognize common-law marriages, although courts have recognized some on a case-by-case basis. I'm sure Hindu and atheist couples will be just fine with that.
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Constitutionally, even the threat of locking the marriage benefits to church affiliation should have his ass kicked out of office. And until such acts are immediately followed by at least a warning of such Americas going deeper into the toilet than any Evangelists warnings.
If the clerks can't issue legal documents then they can't do their jobs and off to the bean fields of the 1800s with all the puritans anyway.
> "an ordained or authorized preacher or minister of the Gospel, priest or other ecclesiastical dignitary of any denomination who has been duly ordained or authorized by the church to which he or she belongs to preach the Gospel, or a rabbi."
Anybody want to found a church and become an ordained or authorized preacher or minister in the Gospel of The Flying Spaghetti Monster?
If you can't do your job without forcing your religious beliefs on others, get a new job.
Todd Russ seems like he really wants to visit the Supreme Court.
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@pyro
As an ordained minister of the ULC, where may I find a copy of this gospel that I may begin preaching?
I wonder how long until some atheist, Hindu, Muslim, or Other becomes a state official and starts refusing marriage licenses on religious grounds.
Additionally, Oklahoma State Rep. Todd Russ proposed to take civil officials out of the marriage business altogether and force prospective couples to be married by "an ordained or authorized preacher or minister of the Gospel, priest or other ecclesiastical dignitary of any denomination who has been duly ordained or authorized by the church to which he or she belongs to preach the Gospel, or a rabbi."
What about churches that have no problem with marrying gay couples? Or does this guy seriously think that all priests and preachers are the same kind of assholes as he is?
Ah, you are aware, are you not, that being a government official means you must carry out certain activities you may not agree with. The oath I took when I joined the army said I would obey the orders of the President of the United Stares, not do whatever I felt like doing. So, has anyone asked what the commanders of the various states' National Guards feel about a state law that makes obeying a legal order optional?
Taxes? Great, now I'm paying the salary of some jackass who wouldn't deliver perfectly legal services to me because he believes some psycho in the sky has ordered him not to? I want my money back!
And what happens if a state cop starts picking and choosing what law to enforce because God. Yes, like not arresting some guy beating his wife and/or kids, or keeping slaves or stoning someone wearing mixed fabric clothes?
What could possibly go wrong?
Let's form an atheistic religion, get a job as a government paid official that performs marriage ceremonies in one of those states, then refuse to marry anyone who believes in god(s). We can cite our sincerely held religious beliefs as our reason for refusing. I'm sure these Republicans would be more than happy to support our freedom to discriminate based on our religion.
No, if you go work for the government, you must perform the tasks required of you without prejudice or exemptions. They didn't make exceptions for inter-racial marriages after the Civil Rights laws, and they shouldn't start now. It speaks volumes about the state of the US education system when these sort of fanatical constitution-loving zealots haven't even the faintest clue what "Freedom of Religion" entails.
Until that "case by case basis" starts to deny people due to being nonreligious or having the wrong one.
You guys are afraid of the slippery slope that same sex marriage will lead to and your answer is a slippery slope of your own.
Would someone please explain to me how people are stupid/bigoted enough to vote for sacks of shit like Todd Russ? Seriously, the crap I see from the GOP is fucking disgusting, how does anyone find it appealing enough to elect them to office?
Wow. Not only homophobic, but also bigoted against non-Christians.
Todd, you're a right fool. Go to some sparsely populated South Pacific island, and bring Sally Kern with you.
How about a sincerely held religious belief that nobody can get married before they've had a three-way with their priest first?
Didn't see that coming, did you shithead?
Of course, if you can't see the first fucking amendment why should anyone expect you to see something you weren't expected to think of before becoming a State Rep. Speaking of, aren't they supposed to take an oath to serve and uphold the constitution of the united states as opposed to raping it to death?
Marriage is a legal contract, and a such must be conducted by someone with legal authority. In Sweden, priests have this authority, and most people marry in a church (regardless of orientation, I'd guess). We like the tradition of the church, more than we do the actual liturgy.
Oh yeah, they will be as fine with that as you would be if you were forced to get married Hindu-style, Toddy-boy.
In which century are Oklahoma and Texas stuck? 18th?
...and what's to stop them from going to Las Vegas and getting married? I remember watching in a documentary about such, that there is a place where one can be married by an Elvis impersonator; he has all the official permits etc that allow him to perform marriages.
Well, he is the King , Toddy-boy...!
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