I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith."
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"I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation."
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"What I do mean to say is the United States of America was founded on the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our founding fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights.
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First off: Treaty of Tripoli. Stop pandering to the Christian conservatives, they aren't as powerful as they like to believe.
Second, most of our founding fathers were secularists. Human dignity and equal rights for all are not the property of Judeo-Christian values, and based on some of the comments we see around here, not a component of them, either.
If by Judeo Christian you mean the ten commandments, I think that the constitution only enforces three, thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not bear false testimony. If you mean the Leviticus rules(the NT is fairly silent in giving out rules), well, tell me next time you stone a person working on Saturday.
I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith.
Just out of interest, would it be unconstitutional to have a law that says you can't vote if you're demonstrably fucking clueless about the issue at hand?
Obviously people are entitled to be idiots and misinterpret data however they like, but could there at least be some kind of comprehension test that they have actually bothered to take in said data?
Great back-peddling when called on your bullshit, John. "On Sunday night, McCain sought to clarify his remarks... is newspeak for "on Sunday night, McCain tried to cover his ass due to his stupidity..."
That is the reason that, though I supported John McCain in the 2000 primaries, I will never support him again(that and the fact that I saw him lick James (Ted Bundy ass-lick) Dobson's ass. Also I was disgusted by him allowing Bush's crooks on his election commmittee to pull the same lying crap with the Swift Boat liar's club against Kerry that Bush's minions pulled on him in 2000 without standing up to those lying creeps.
I guess I need to do a repeat............
"In 1776 our fathers endeavored to retire the gods from politics. They declared that "all governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed." This was a contradiction of the then political ideas of the world; it was, as many believed, an act of pure blasphemy a renunciation of the Deity. ...It was a notice to all churches and priests that thereafter mankind would govern and protect themselves. Politically it tore down every altar and denied the authority of every "sacred book" and appealed from the Providence of God to the Providence of man."
Robert Ingersoll
.........."God in the Constitution", originally published in The Arena in Boston in January 1890. Taken from The New Dresden Edition of the Works of Ingersoll New York City: The Ingersoll Publishers, Inc., 1900
McCain also said he agreed with a recent poll that 55 percent of Americans believe the U.S. Constitution establishes a Christian nation. "I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation," he said.
Translation: "I can get away with saying that the Constitution is based on the Bible because I know perfectly well that the sheeple have never read either."
ETA: The edit function works. I kiss Hank's ass in gratitude.
I agree with what several others have said -- I used to respect John McCain. I may have disagreed with him on a wide range of issues, but I used to think he was an honorable man who was fighting for his heart-felt views.
Now, I see him as nothing more than a panderer trying to save a faltering campaign.
If only 0 was a number that had a value (that didn't equal nothing), then maybe, since God is mentioned 0 times in the Constitution, your argument would hold ground.
I'd say this is the desperate ravings of a madman, but every other Republican candidate and probably 3/4ths of the Democratic candidates would mouth the same pandering.
-pb
EDIT: Just because I can. Praise be to Yahweh!
"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine"
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church."
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principle"
What are Christian principles? Christians don't have a monopoly on honesty, courage, freedom, liberty, charity, etc..
I prefer someone rational.
I would have to say that you're wrong.
And, atheist, agnostics and other non-Jews and non-Christians don't support those values? How insulting!
Oriet -- He's not that ignorant. He's simply a sell-out and a weasel.
The logic must go something like this:
1) If you hack up the Constitution and rearrange the words, read between the lines, and lead your interpretations towards a pre-set conclusion, then the Constitution kinda sorta could indicate whatever the hell you want it to.
2) Same goes for the Bible
3) Therefore, they must go together.
... the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our founding fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights.
And these values never existed before Christianity? Get real! The stone-age Hopi Indians had two "commandments" (1) don't go around hurting people, and (2) try to understand things. What "Judeo-Christian values" beyond those were incorporated in the founding of the US?
@Orient
How the hell did someone so ignorant become a senator?
It's things like this that make me think we need to start giving candidates for office thorough history examinations.
McCain's pretty much done, anyway.
In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law. - Thomas Jefferson in letters to Horatio G. Spafford and Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814.
I wish I could show that to every Christian who claims America was founded on the Bible. Wish it so hard.
TREATY OF TRIPOLI, BITCH!
please go get missiled due to faulty wireing and the breaking of protoco... oh wait, that already happened. >.> <.<
Don't your presidents swear to uphold the constitution? Should know what it actually says. Obama could have a field day with McCain on this issue.
Matter of a fact I think McCain should be shunned for supporting this stupid Fundie idea that the constitution values Christianity over all, or that it's based on the Bible in any way.
Mister Senator have you ever even read the Constitution?
I can guarantee you the word "Christian" isn't even in there.
Mister Senator have you ever even read your Bible?
I can guarantee you there's plenty in there that if practiced today would be unconstitutional.
These are talking points and are calculated to win votes.
That being said, I can't believe I ever voted for this guy.
Confused?
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