It is readily observable that there is no such thing as a static sexual abnormality. Was Ian Watkins always a pedophile? Was the thrice-married Meredith Baxter Birney always a lesbian? The dynamic sin model explains observable human behavior rather better than most of the scientific alternatives, particularly the static ones. Regardless, whether it is a simple choice or a curable psychological disorder, the idea that homosexuality is always and necessarily a permanently fixed orientation is demonstrably false. Any homosexual who dares to question this, much less dispute it, must be asked why they deny science. And statistics.
UPDATE: This objection on Twitter made me laugh. Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are. Just assume that even if you don't believe it; it may save you some embarrassment. That doesn't mean I'm always right, it just means that you're probably wrong.
Buttercup Dew: "Your logic doesn't follow? I was "bisexual" as a teen, now unambiguously homosexual. You decided conclusion and worked backwards."
To which I responded: "No, my logic is correct. You prove the point. The fact of the delta is what matters, not the direction."
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Ah, it's our old friend Vox Day again.
It is readily observable that there is no such thing as a static sexual abnormality.
Prove it.
The dynamic sin model explains observable human behavior rather better than most of the scientific alternatives, particularly the static ones.
Prove it.
Regardless, whether it is a simple choice or a curable psychological disorder, the idea that homosexuality is always and necessarily a permanently fixed orientation is demonstrably false.
Prove it.
Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right?
Who? God?
I'm smarter than you are.
Isn't there something in the Bible about ego or pride or something? Also, prove it. (I hate it how I suddenly sound like a parrot. ><)
Pox, considering what you say about women and non-crackers, I'd say either you're either a dumbass or just a plain ass. I highly doubt that you are smarter than I. And I'm younger than you. Scientific evidence shows homosexuality is incurable. Even if it were, chastising someone for homosexuality would be like chastising a Jew for being Jewish.
Oh joy, another VD quote.
How I not have missed him...
keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence
Heh.
There is such a thing as a static sexual abnormality, silly boy! That which harms others or infringe on their human rights - especially those who can't give informed consent - that is abnormal.
I think one is always a pedophile, but not all pedophiles attack children. Some never act out on their attraction.
If Ms Baxter Birney was married three time, odds are she's a bisexual. Or she was married three times to women.
What scientific static alternative? Very little within science is static.
You might force yourself to have sex without attraction, of course, but you're either attracted to a gender, or you're not.
Any homosexual knows how he or she feels, better than you do, silly. I highly doubt that science is particularly concerned in this matter. I think it goes something like: “People have different attractions, we don’t know how yet, but as long as it’s kept within the consenting adults group, it’s none of our business what people do.”
I hope you mean that the critics are the super-intelligence, VD, because you certainly aren't, you numbskull. If you can't even grasp the concept of bisexuality and the irrelevance of the concept of "sin", then you are not particularly intelligent at all.
And what have you done with this alleged superintelligence, Teddy?
Cured cancer?
Made world peace?
Written anything worth reading, even?
No?
Failure.
No, no you are not smarter than me or anyone you have ever talked down to in your pathetic life. You are a fucking idiot that talks shit about subjects he knows nothing about and covers his ears screeching loudly when people explain things to him.
You want to compare IQ scores you smarmy shit? I'm a step above Dolph Lundgren. I debated the validity of negative fractions with a university professor when I was 11 years old and was reading the likes of King and Koontz before most kids learn how to multiply. Does that make me automatically smarter than everyone else? Hell no. I'm a high school dropout despite that and put my foot in my mouth often enough to make it a wonder I can walk and talk at the same time. But the fact that I'm not an insufferable child pretending to be a grown man that thinks it's even possible to win an argument by default (which is about the only possible way to actually lose by default) does make me smarter than you specifically.
If this guy is a "super intelligence" then your average gnat is a regular Einstein. He could quite possibly be elected president of stupid people if it was put to a vote.
Since when do any reliable statistics claim that sexuality can be changed? Counseling to change one's sexual orientation doesn't work, it's a joke, so... Where's the proof? And what the hell does "sin" have to do with science?
it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are.
Vox Day... a legend in his own mind.
The "Barefoot Bandit" a teenage thief with an IQ 3 points removed from Albert Einstein, stranded himself in the ocean while running away from the police after a spree of vehicle thefts and break-ins where he vandalized stores with childish chalk scribbles. He kept taunting the cops the whole way. Not really any wonder that he got caught.
That wasn't smart, and neither are you VD.
Imagine ol' Vox in a debate. He'd dig himself deeper and deeper into an untenable position and then, when he realised he was losing the argument, he'd come out with his catchphrase "I'm smarter than you are". Which is not really any different than sticking his fingers in his ears and going "La la la la I can't hear you". Vox, really intelligent people don't feel the need to go around telling everyone about it. They demonstrate their intelligence through their words and actions.
keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are. Just assume that even if you don't believe it
And if you were anywhere near as smart as you say you are, you'd realize that believing claims made over the internet is very stupid. I'm a Nigerian prince with an IQ of 472, so I know what I'm talking about.
Voxxy, if there's one thing I've learned about the internet, it's that anything anyone tells you about themselves sight unseen must be regarded as bullshit until proven otherwise.
So your claim that you're "a superintelligence" (can the word "superintelligence" really be used as a noun?) sort of carries the same weight as Wile E. Coyote's claim that he is a "super genius."
I've seen people more fundie than Vox Day. I've seen people more racist than Vox Day. I've seen people more homophobic than Vox Day. I've seen people, hard as it might be to believe, more misogynistic than Vox Day. But I've never seen anyone who so perfectly wraps all of those "qualities" into such an unbearably smug, condescending, pseudo-intellectual package.
This is the kind of guy for whom the term "fucking douchebag" doesn't even begin to cover, but since he's also the kind of guy who's not even worth the minimal effort required to come up with a new insult, it'll have to do.
Vox Day ought to be a textbook case study of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Look, pal. It's not that you're a "superintelligence" or that you're the smartest guy in the room. You're not. What you interpret to be your "superior intelligence" is actually an illusion caused by your own utter incompetence in all spheres of life, an incompetence which causes you to fail to recognize the competence of others who are, in fact, far more capable than yourself.
Great people with great minds achieve great things, even when the system seems set against them. Tesla will always be known as a genius even though he lived his life under the thumb of Edison. It must burn you up to know, at least secretly in your heart of hearts, that you will forever be condemned to that fate reserved to all sub-mediocre minds that imagine themselves gifted: consigned to the peanut gallery, perpetually nay-saying and attempting to tear down those things which will always lie just outside your comprehension.
Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are. Just assume that even if you don't believe it; it may save you some embarrassment. That doesn't mean I'm always right, it just means that you're probably wrong.
This guy is a walking Dunning-Krueger effect. Even when he has someone point out how wrong he is, he falls back on the "I'm smarter than you and you're wrong" nonsense.
No, you're not smart, at all. You're an ignorant, egotistical, bigoted man going on abut things you don't know anything about. You are the one embarrassing yourself, and everyone's laughing at you.
"This objection on Twitter made me laugh. Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right"
A superintelligence? Can't be Vox Day then
I perused this guy's Twitter account (and Wikipedia entry). Wow. He really does declare himself a "superintelligence".
I tweeted to him the suggestion that most normal, intelligent people don't need to declare how smart they are, they let their ideas speak for themselves. This was his response:
"But I am not normal, TJ. I am a superintelligence. I am a reality beyond the limited imagination of the simple midwit."
For real, I didn't make that up.
"Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are."
Unlike your idiotic claims, this actually IS demonstrably false, Voxy.
"But I am not normal, TJ. I am a superintelligence. I am a reality beyond the limited imagination of the simple midwit."
His delusions of grandeur are so ridiculous that I almost pity him. Almost. But I will laugh, because honestly, that's hilarious.
Is Pride still a capital sin?
I lost track wich are deadly and wich are not.
Well let's say yes.
If so Mr Vox You'll better be askin' for God's forgiveness since boasting that your intelligence is superior to other's is Pride.
In her purest form.
As for the rest WTF.
Go down your high horses you bigoted dick.
Superintelligence? Dude, you're low hanging fruit. Deal with it. The only you have going for you is that you're not quite on the same level of absurdity as Ray Comfort.
But that's not saying much.
@Doubting Thomas:
Vox Day... a legend in his own mind.
But he is a legend. A legendary dumbass, that is... Or should that be a legendary PokeMoron?
Critics, it might help to keep in mind you're dealing with a superintelligence before you say something stupid, all right? I'm smarter than you are.
I have yet to see any evidence supporting this statement.
Regardless, whether it is a simple choice or a curable psychological disorder, the idea that homosexuality is always and necessarily a permanently fixed orientation is demonstrably false
Except it's not, you're lying and we have found the brain structures that set sexuality.
Okay, Vox, let's say you're right. Maybe everybody who is gay or bisexual or straight or whatever chose, whether consciously or not, to be that way. I have no problem with that model; it doesn't change my support for their rights.
Do you want to infringe upon people's rights because of a personal or moral choice they made that does not harm others? Consider carefully the number of converts and others who "choose" their religion before answering...
Are we talking about the Del;ta of Venus, the Po, the Rhone, the Ebrp, the Mississippi?
So many deltas - so little time.
Confused?
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