["Ray, In light of the following verses: 1 Chronicles 16:30: 'He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.' Psalm 93:1: 'Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...' Psalm 96:10: 'He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...' Psalm 104:5: 'Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.' Isaiah 45:18: '...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...' Are you willing to admit the Bible is in error, or does the earth in fact sit immobile and fixed in the sky?"]
The above question is typical of the skeptic. He reads those verses and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth sits "immobile" and "fixed in the sky."
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Jeremiah 5:21
Fitting, no?
Oooookay, seems pretty specific to me, but what do I, a mere unbeliever, know?
Here's how it works oh ye of little faith.
Any vague reference that can be interpreted, by any stretch of the imagination, to be a prophecy or scientific description OBVIOUSLY proves the infallibility and divine origin of the Bible. Anyone can see this because the Bible is so simple to understand that even a child can properly interpret it.
Anything that clearly states something WRONG is being misinterpreted by all the skeptics reading it because they don't have 15 years of rigourous study in Biblical interpretation which everyone knows is required to properly interpret the Bible.
See how simple it is?
At first I wondered how you could wonder how someone could "somehow" have got the idea that something said what it literally said.
Then I realized it was Ray Comfort.
This man has to do more damage to his religion than any atheist ever could. If Ray Comfort wasn't dead serious he'd be one brilliant comedian and parodist.
I still have nightmares about bananas though . . . (I don't know why, but I still laugh when I watch that. It just never gets old.)
Why can't we get them to answer questions? Maybe because of the internet. I wonder what would happen if you were sitting across a kitchen table from a captive Ray Comfort and pressed him for hours to ANSWER THE QUESTION.
... then you could brew a pot of coffee and move on to a second question! Golly!
Yeah, how can someone come up with a stupid idea like that?
As the Bible always contradicts itself, there must be a verse somewhere that says the earth is floating and the sky is changing. THAT is obviously the verse to trust in this instance.
Side note: How come the ancient goat herders didn't see the star constellations rotating over the sky in the same pattern year after year after year? SOMETHING is moving.
It gets even stupider than this later on. I almost submitted this one myself until I saw someone beat me to it.
The Bible says that the earth is immovable. It cannot be moved. So now is your chance to prove your point. Run outside and move the earth. Perhaps you and your friends could jump on it, or find a rocky outcrop and push it together.
Maybe after that little experiment you will concede that the earth is immovable.
Whole thing is here , for the curious.
He reads those verses and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth sits "immobile" and "fixed in the sky.
That's because we actually DO read those verses, not skip over them like you fundies tend to do if it doesn't agree with your bullshit.
"He reads those verses and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth sits "immobile" and "fixed in the sky.""
If a particular book says that webbed feet are red, I will naturally assume that the book in question says that webbed feet are red. You are horribly stupid.
EDIT:
This ladies and gentlemen is evidence that Ray does indeed have a blind spot, conterary to what he himself claimed in:http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=67928
So, aside from the earth being immovable...
> The above question is typical of the skeptic. He reads those verses and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth sits "immobile" and "fixed in the sky."
Yeah, skeptics don't know that "literal Bible interpretation" doesn't mean that you actually interpret the Bible as it says.
They don't know that in order to interpret the Bible literally the right way, you must first present a quote and then pull an interpretation out of your rear end.
"The Bible says that the earth is immovable. It cannot be moved. So now is your chance to prove your point. Run outside and move the earth. Perhaps you and your friends could jump on it, or find a rocky outcrop and push it together. "
Well now isn't this the darndest thing about physics, Ray... Newton's laws quite clearly state that when you jump up, the force you exert pushes the earth away from you, as much as the earth pushes you away from it. Then gravity pulls you right back down.
Oh snap - pwnd by Newton.
He reads "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable" and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth is firm and immovable. What a dummy! No, what the Bible is actually saying is "the earth orbits the sun". [/sarcasm]
"The above question is typical of the skeptic. He reads those verses and somehow comes up with the thought that the Bible is saying that the earth sits "immobile" and "fixed in the sky.""
Both your reading comprehension and Biblical scholarship skills are astounding, Ray.
Gee, how did the sceptic come to that conclusion?
Does someone have the Bobo insulted by Bananaman cartoon? I forgot to snag it last time.
Um, because THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!
I love how Christians can take a verse out of the bible and claim that it doesn't say what it says.
@Berny
It's very simple. Any passage that agrees with their views should be taken literally as written. Any passage which contradicts reality, says something they disagree with, is just plain silly, or makes Christianity look bad is totally allegorical.
Well if immovable doesn't mean "in the sky", then it certainly doesn't mean "in and of itself", since the Earth shakes, groans, shudders, drifts and most of all spins all the time.
Ergo about the Earth being "immovable", the bible is wrong or the bible is wrong. Take your pick.
At first I was like, pfff, gotta be a Poe. Then I saw the author. Ray Comfort: bring humanity to new, previously unknown levels of fail.
FWIW there's a preacher on shortwave radio who's a hollow earther, and he's used the above verses as evidence to back up hollow eartherism. So yes, Ray, some people do believe those verses and understand what they say. Including other fundies.
Yeah, I know Ray...call us crazy. Where on Earth would we come up with the thought that the Bible says the Earth sits immoble and fixed in the sky?
What are we thinking? Silly us.
FROM: #1072181 Malkyrian's link to the Ray article:
"Skeptics love to twist Scripture just a little to make their point. They clutch at the weak straws of metaphors or figures of speech to try and prove that the Bible says that the sun revolves around the earth, etc."
FROM THE AGNOSTIC DESK OF SHOCKME:
"Fundy Christians love to twist Scripture just a little to make their point. They clutch at the FALLIBLE straws of metaphors or figures of speech to try and prove that the Bible is undeniable proof of Gods existence, is God's absolute word, and that all those who don't believe this will be burning in hell for all eternity while we get to laugh at them as we sit up in Heaven with the rest of our fundy Christian sheep-minded cohorts."
~*FIXED*~
Never actually read the thing, have you Ray?
Then again, you only choose certain verses as pin them as literal.
That it's possibly a bad translation? I'd give you that, as a lot of the Bible appears to be badly translated or purposely altered.
That Ray (Bananabrain fucktard) Comfort is a Hebrew Scholar or any way any kind of Scholar?
And when I say that a chocolate chip cookie is a chocolate chip cookie I actually mean that it is a cheese-and-ham pizza.
Ray, the man with banana skins for brains.
He comes up with that because those verses DO in fact say that.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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