I appreciate your recommendation, and it is intriguing, but as a pro-lifer, I cannot support an organization that is opposed to the death penalty.
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This has to be a typo, because the way it is phrased, he is saying that he supports the death-penalty BECAUSE he is pro-life, instead of despite it.
I'm going to add that, to a certain extent, its at least intuitively more reasonable to be pro-life/pro-death penalty than pro-choice/anti-death penalty. In the first case, their moral standard for measuring the value of life is that it's innocent (nevermind that they kill equally innocent beings all the time like plants and animals that they eat), and on the second occasion the moral standard isn't exactly clear.
If you any of the posts on the FSTDT blog regarding abortion (http://www.fstdt.com/blog/rubrique.php?id_rubrique=16 ), then I don't really buy the argument that abortion comes down to choice vs life. I think it comes down to what measures of moral value apply to the unborn fetus, and I'm not sure that pro-lifers have adequately shown that *any* measures of moral value apply.
This is why I hate fundies.
Seriously, if a person is anti-abortion, anti-death penalty: I can have respect for that. But this bulljive of "save the lives of the wittel babies but fry 'em in the chair if they go bad" just torques my bag.
I agree with the nominations of this item for Post of the Month.
Yes, Yahweh, no doubt the underlying issues are relatively complex -- but stated this baldly, the post is priceless!
~David D.G.
>>Post of the month? Post of the YEAR, I say. I can't see how this could possibly be outdone...<<
Just you wait until June 6, 2006 rolls around, then I'm sure this quote will have some serious competition.
Oooooookaayyyy then.
I mean, I can see the case for innoncent people not deserving death, and guilty people deserving it. I can see the case for cancerous clusters of cells being considered a person because one day it might be that.
I cannot see how being pro-life should directly lead to being pro-death-penalty. The two are completely seperate issues and are only linked because groups hold prominents views on both.
"everyone deserves to live, unless they are breaking the law, then they should be killed, even if there are other ways of punishing them."
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Like that I can live by ideals aswell, just put "unless" line behind every ideal you have and you can just add something there whenever you don't feel like acting up to your personal beliefs.
Another theory could involve the fact that poster was probably never though to think for himself. lol
It honestly makes no sense to you that someone would be against killing an innocent (what they consider) person (in their view the fetus is a person) and putting to death someone who has been convicted in a court of law of deliberate murder of another innocent person? I don't see the hypocrisy in that, and you'll find a lot of people (Christian and not) who understand this and believe the same thing.
Skeptical:
Why even try to defend this? It's not even remotely consistent. If you value life from conception to grave, then capital punishment should be as immoral as abortion. Fundies tend to turn this on its head. Pro-life (in the obvious sense) and pro-capital punishment cannot be logically reconciled unless you believe that a fetus does not count as a person until it can leave the womb.
Okay, so some killing is okay.
Makes sense to me...wait, no it doesn't.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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