@kuyohashi #148136
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We don’t know Joseph age, but he was most likely 30 and Mary most likely 17-19. https://books.google.com/books?id=tGgpBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA103&dq=mary+was+in+her+late+teen+years+when+she+had+jesus&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiYxKOzmvz6AhXnk4kEHcCSDvs4ChDoAXoECAoQAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=BkdIEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA22&dq=mary+was+in+her+late+teen+years+when+she+had+jesus&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjKh6-mmfz6AhXrk4kEHbMlDEIQ6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false
Palestinian Jewish girls married at late teens or later https://books.google.com/books?id=ZU-nBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA52&dq=palestinian+jewish+women+were+expected+to+be+married+by+their+late+teens&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjFr6HP9fjVAhVj9IMKHfMuC3QQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Some sources say that Palestinian Jewish women married even up to early twenties. Read note 29 at bottom where it said Jewish girls married at 12-20, so Mary could have been 20 and more likely over 16 or 18 then under https://books.google.com/books?id=QR7SmbfqNKYC&pg=PA17&dq=in+Palestine+and+in+the+west+a+man+marries+at+30&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBmr3tk8z7AhW9LFkFHXIlAJQQ6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q=in%20Palestine%20and%20in%20the%20west%20a%20man%20marries%20at%2030&f=false
Mary was more likely to be 19 then 14. 18-19 is young, but that isn’t a child and better then 13-14. Plus unlike our our western world, Mary would have lots of help and support of her family because families were less separated at that time. Back then men took care all or most of the money, so Mary would be okay. Today she wouldn’t, but things work differently back then.
Ps Luke 1:38 and Luke 1:46 disprove that God rape Mary. Also God didn’t left Mary alone. For example he sent an angel to warn Joseph about the king wanting to kill all the babies, so they went to Egypt. Yeah Mary wasn’t treated like a queen, but she wasn’t rape or treated like shit or was abandoned (Matthew 2:13–23). It’s like you guys never read the whole Bible.
And the god of the OT being the Father, well that depends. Some Christians believe that god and the Father are different. If they’re right then Mary didn’t agree out of fear. I can see why. One believe in eye for an eye. Joshua taught and but Joshua was following his Father will, so was teaching what his Father wants, so it seem like His Father was agsinst it. There are scholars who point out that El and Yah were two different gods before they were merged together. And Luke was telling what will happen not what has happened. Again Mary agree to this (Luke 1:38) and was full of joy (Luke 1:46). Mary seem to be emotional and physical mature for this, so she scream older teen (or woman around early twenties?) then young teen to me. She seem to understand what was going on and doesn’t seem to mention of fear or whatever (lLuke 1:46 wouldn’t make any sense).
And last time I check rape was force sexual activities. There was no sex or sex related activities involved. The ancient Hebrews believe that the Holy Spirit is female and thus gave birth in Mary. Not sure that is rape because it isn’t sex or sex related.
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