The apostles were all either a bunch of lunatics who were willing to die for a story they made up without any gain, or they really did see the resurrected Christ and knew that it was a cause worth dying for. Which one sounds more plausible?
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What @shy said. Old me would have been to… naive to believe people could do so. But lying idiot lunatic con men like you, your dad, Bananaman, Kirk Cameron, Ken Ham, etc… have beaten said childish optimism out of me.
The apostles were either (check one):
[ ] A bunch of lunatics who were willing to die for a story they made up without any gain
[ ] Mere characters in a work of fiction , indeed: a Big Book of Hearsay
Choose wisely.
You are assuming the Apostles existed, and that they were the authors of the books attributed to them many years later. I don’t believe that’s a dependable assumption.
But to answer your question, there are people TODAY willing to die for Trump’s lies. So, well, ‘People be cray-cray’ is a pretty plausible diagnosis.
Have you ever heard of a certain group called Heaven’s Gate? Yes, there very much are people who are willing to actively walk into death for religions they founded themselves.
Of course, this is also a false dichotomy - in fact, one that conflates the two undesirable options of Lewis’s false trilemma into one self-sabotaging one. Because, if they are delusional, they do indeed truly beleve their own lies and are indeed unable to be accept falsification.
A - far from exhaustive - list of - not necessarily mutually exclusive - ignored options:you will be the one who knows when to quit/flee. And even if you don’t, it’s nice for the potential decades it lasts…
Some more alternatives that are just for fun, but nonetheless at most as absurd and unsubstantiated as Hovind Junior’s claim:other cult leaders said to be able to kessurect people.
Well, Eric, either they were Bronze-Aged primitives with a then-contemporary understanding of the world and the same vulnerability to superstition and fear, or fucking magic is real.
Which one seems more plausible now, clownshoe?
What if someone were to dig up written material from ca 100 CE saying that what the alleged apostles of ‘Jesus Christ’ had done was take rumors and hearsay about the lives and work of many different real-life Middle Eastern itinerant preachers, all claiming to have a special connection to God allowing them to perform miracles and combine them into the story of Jesus?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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