Various commenters #transphobia

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RE: TiM objects to us being called TERFs as we're not feminists, then suggests using a misogynistic slur instead

( Medusa91 )
Can we please stop using the word transwomen?

It implies that these people are indeed women and they simply arnt. I prefer the actual more accurate term of “scrotum haver” since that’s more accurate but what are some “okay for society” alternatives?

( cousinanger )
Scrote?

( RawSienna )
I think the term sex offender is most accurate.

( hmimperialtortie )
I like “A man who demands we pretend he’s a woman” from this thread.

Or transvestites. Or AGPs (has the bonus of giving you the opportunity to explain just what that is.)

( bunyip )
Trans identified male is OK for society. Maybe throw a "biological" in there to soften it if you feel like being nice. If a TRA throws a tantrum, it doesn't matter.

If you think you're in a situation where you might have something to lose by offending TRAs, I do like the idea of playing along with their own rules. "Scrotum haver" is excellent. I think I prefer "penis haver" because it's more of a reminder of their maleness, their ability to commit rape or cause pregnancy.

I think TIMs would also find "penis haver" a little more uncomfortable as it reminds regular people that very few of these people actually get surgery to remove it, the penis is still here. Some people think Lia Thomas must be fully transitioned to have been allowed to compete, and "Penis-haver Lia Thomas" might enlighten a few people.

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TERFs thinking they’re being creative when they’re actually not #8,000,000,000.

Superficiality is superficial.

Just an excuse to keep repeating the boigotry-motivated slogans and false conspiracy theories, it seems... Instead of having a life, and letting other people also have one and live theirs.

"Penis-haver Lia Thomas" might enlighten a few people

Enlighten people that you are a disgusting bigot.

Unless you know for sure, a trans person’s genital status is speculation.

To the best of my knowledge, it’s true that the majority of trans people don’t get SRS now, because they’re indifferent to their genitals or because they don’t want to take the risk of becoming sexually nonfunctional in some sense. (Or even, on occasion, because they’re some form of non-binary trans.) As these things get better, you’re going to see a lot more people who do get SRS, and even the rare individuals who opt for both sets of genitals. So basically this is a time-sensitive argument; even if it worked now, it’s just a stalling tactic, whether you realize it or not.

@Zinnia #143621

Not just that. There’s also:

- SRS is absurdly expensive
- people are afraid of invasive surgeries and possible consequences, beyond just the ‘sexual nonfunctionality’ thing
- there may be legal limitations on who’s allowed to get SRS
- they may have an inability to currently get SRS due to specific living conditions (e.g. not being out to family whom you still live with)
Etc.

There are many good reasons why trans people might be unable or unwilling to — whether just currently or not — have a sex reassignment surgery. But of course, TERFs assume and assert that it must be “because they’re fetishists and want to use their penis to rape us.” Nope, can’t be anything else.

A trans person’s genital status should only be a matter of concern for that trans person, and maybe their partner and sometimes their doctor. Nobody else has a right to demand to know — and certainly not bigoted, paranoid busibodies like the gender-critter herd.

You know the preachers and politicians who accuse gay people of all being child molesters, then are caught diddling kids themselves?
I think it's the same with TERFS. Everything they claim trans people do is just a giveaway: their personal essays on "What I'd Do If I Were 'Trans.'"

@Lucilius #143633

It's not impossible, it would be similar with the Republicans in the last few years: accusing Democrats of doing everything they're trying to do... It's even common in pseudoscience because of projection: since they are working with myths, beliefs and narratives, they are promoting the idea that the scientific consensus is also a result of the same methodology, misrepresenting it, also because they have never really studied it and do not acknowledge the importance of the scientific method to distinguish random ideas and facts, etc. Instead, what they call "study" and "research" is propaganda and confusion...

@Lucilius #143633

While probably true for some, I wouldn’t assume this is the case for most TERFs. That’s largely because they seem to have a pretty unique background for their beliefs. They’re apparently largely driven by genuine fear and trauma, rather than just resentment over perceived loss of status and entitlement.

TERFs generally aren’t pretending — they truly do believe the things they claim about trans people (yes, even the absurdities), and truly see themselves as the last line of defense against the overwhelming threat to women and children that they perceive transfolk to be (particularly trans women).
And that makes quite the difference from many conservatives, especially conservative politicians, who often knowingly spread bullshit, don’t really care about the causes they claim to champion, and are sometimes even willing to privately do the very things they publically decry (e.g. abortion).