@Taln_Reich

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"Fully passing" and still miserable
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( IrishTheFrenchie )
This is why these surgeries shouldn't even be available to adults. What they want is IMPOSSIBLE. Even if they get as close as they possibly can, they are unhappy. This is why the suicide rate is so high. It is a fantasy that will NEVER come true.

( pennygadget )
I used to believe that adults should be able to do whatever fucked up shit to their bodies they want. But that has changed now that so many Dollar Store Mengeles are out there selling these drugs and surgeries to very vulnerable & stupid trans patients

Not only is it cruel to the patients. Its a drain on our medical resources. God only knows if/when we'll get another COVID level catastrophe that strains access to medical supplies and doctors. We don't need to take physically healthy people and cripple them just because they want an insane cosmetic surgery

( Persimmon64 )
Of course they shouldn't be available. If I wanted to get a neo-colon inserted into my abdomen to make another hole for a guy to screw that also expelled feces, a doctor would turn me away and send me to the shrink.

Yet when these guys want the exact same thing done, it's suddenly "people should be able to do what they want to their bodies. Doctors have to provide this surgery! It's our right!" Um... No it really isn't.

( RAM25 )
IMO, this is why removing it from being a mental health problem did a disservice to trans people. This person is struggling and they feel ashamed about it because they’ve been told that they are a woman when they know full well they’re not. It may have been way more helpful to him if he could acknowledge he’s got a mental health challenge and address that. It would be like telling an anorexic she is indeed fat and encouraging her to keep losing weight to become happy.

( Spencer_Shayy )
This is his consciousness telling him that the lie he's living is unsustainable. I don't pity him, as he likely a misogynistic homophobe with an abhorrent sexual fetish, but I genuinely don't understand how anyone can live like this. Common sense tells you that such a life is miserable, just as he's finding out.

To think, he would be much happier if he just accepted himself for who he was instead of trying to live out his creepy girl fantasy.

Architectura, BellaBlue & MiMi2013 #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

RE: My healthcare provider released a "code of conduct" that seems to punish patients for requesting single-sex facilities or legitimately female practitioners

( Architectura )
There are a number of educational institutions in this country that will convey in no uncertain terms where your views likely lie.

I would recommend Bob Jones, Liberty, or BYU simply because their views are the most widely known. If you have a notoriously conservative school in your area though, one of their shirts would work too.

Edited: I didn't mean attend one of the schools, I meant buy a tee shirt. Simply because would you rather everyone assume you're homophobic, or be confronted by a TiM when you're in an incredibly vulnerable position?

( BellaBlue )
Alright, let's see how well this goes over when an Orthodox Jewish, or Muslim woman asks for a woman. If the provider refuses, this opens the door for her to file a religious discrimination complaint and/or just tell her community that this practice is anti-semitic or Islamaphobic.

( MiMi2013 )
Jewish women will most likely be told to STFU ; they'll fall all over themselves to accommodate muslim women, as it's important to show that islam is privileged above all other religions...The Powers That Be would not have mass-imported hundreds of thousands if not millions of muslims into western countries if there was not an intent to wield them against the native-born population of every faith and ethnicity, for some ulterior and probably sinister reason.

various commenters #transphobia #pratt ovarit.com

In response to "Trans people have a right to exist!"
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( Spencer_Shayy )
Not to nitpick, but I actually disagree with this. The "transgender" identity DOES rely on the validation of others to exist, because without it, "transwomen" are just normal men and "transmen" are just normal women. That's why they cry "genocide" when they're not affirmed.

( no- )
“Society makes it so hard for trans people to exist in peace”. How? By noticing a TIM’s male voice, his male face, his entire male existence? By refusing to pretend that someone is the opposite sex? By not wasting my mental energy training myself to see men as women and use pronouns that don’t make sense? They’re not asking for acceptance, they want you to brainwash yourself and participate in their role-playing, and you’re not allowed to ask questions because the answers are always lies.

( Tanana )
Transness is a parasite identity, it does depend on everyone's compliance to play their game. If we stop to play along, the whole fiction dies. Transness is the ultimate needy-narcissistic personality.

( sylviasmushrooms )
I love what this is trying to get across, but those of us who are hip to the plot of this whole stupid thing are aware that TRAs’ favorite thing to do is redefine and corrupt language.

We (reasonably) push back on this claim of existence, because obviously there is a 200 lb man in a babydoll dress sucking all the air out of the room right in front of us. He exists.

He does not exist the way he sees himself and/or the way he wants other people to perceive him. In that way, according to these language claims, his existence is being denied. It’s seeing the man and refusing to acknowledge him as your queen.

( tuff_terfies )
[...] We are only too aware of trans people and their demands--pronouns, cis, blah blah. What we are saying is not to step on women's right to exist. Yet they set the terms of their mutual exclusion, not us. It just proves that all "isms" are projection (e.g. Latino/as do all the work Euro-anglos don't/won't do but they are 'lazy'). Pure psychological projection; they need us to say WE DON'T EXIST so that they can colonize our lives and experiences. It is the extension of the logic of misogyny that denies our humanity.

BondiBlue, Spencer_Shayy & OwnLyingEyes #transphobia ovarit.com

OPINION: Michael Shellenberger is one of the most influential writers in S.F. Here’s what he says about trans people

( BondiBlue )

According to Human Rights Watch, “gender ideology” is a catch-all term “consistently used to attack feminism, transgender equality, the existence of intersex bodies, the elimination of sex stereotyping, family law reform, same-sex marriage, access to abortion, contraception and comprehensive sexuality education.”

Then HRW is ignorant. The elimination of gender ideology is the elimination of sex stereotyping. And it has SFA to do with same-sex marriage (sex, not gender), abortion, or anything else on that list. Except maybe for "comprehensive sexuality education," which is itself a catch-all term for the gender-groomer mindfuckery of DQST and MAPs and other wacked-out bullshit going on in public schools, that's gotten us into this mess in the first place. But gender ideology has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with feminism, because no feminism includes men LARPing as women to satisfy their pedo-skinwalker Buffalo Bob fetish. Feminism is a movement for, by, and about women. That's it.

( Spencer_Shayy )
Holy shit. "Gender ideology" only encompasses the ideas of "transgender" or "gender identity". How can these assholes so shamelessly lie?

( OwnLyingEyes )
Because they've been force-teaming gender ideology with these issues in part for this exact purpose...just like how whenever people criticize trans nonsense alone, they tend to insist on calling it 'anti LGBTQ+.' They force team and then scream that they're being hate crimed when resisted (like their response to LGB Alliance).

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Nex Benedict autopsy: Oklahoma Medical Examiner rules death suicide

( MaryDyer )
It’s really a shame that she felt she had no other option. The “trans kids are at constant risk of suicide” and “there’s a trans genocide” narratives almost certainly influence events like this.

( pennygadget )
I was just about to say this.

The increase in suicide amongst children (especially trans identifying children) is a DIRECT result of these assholes constantly bombarding children with negative shit that they cannot process in a healthy way.

When TRAs tell a mentally unstable population, "everyone is against you!", "we're in the midst of a trans genocide!", and "suicide is a reasonable reaction to not getting your way", they shouldn't be surprised when a bunch of trans youths either kill themselves or become mass shooters (or both)

( OneStarWolf )
Activists will now just shift the goalposts. It’s either a conspiracy to cover up a hate murder or she was driven to do it because of tRanSpHoBiA. Suits their twisted goal either way.

( Iota_Aurigae )
I hope my women’s studies professor, who was so quick to email everyone when her death was reported because “TRANSPHOBIA!!”, sees this.

( spw )
She will probably standby it and say that she suicided because of transphobia

( syntaxerror )
Yeah this changes nothing for TRAs. She’s still a martyr, just a different category. They still add her to the list of dead children to ghoulishly parade around.

( pennygadget )
She would remain a martyr even if she had been struck by lightning. TRAs love standing on the corpses of dead kids

Persimmon64 & Spencer_Shayy #transphobia ovarit.com

Is it a stereotype or reality?
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( Persimmon64 )

Now, being trans makes me feel cool.

Yep, this is the crux and driving force of the whole movement, isn't it? Socially awkward, weird men have finally found a way to be "cool."

Feminine homosexual men have found a way to feel "sexually desirable."

And sexually perverted men have found a way to feel like they're "normal" and "valid" instead of the sexually perverted "losers" they truly are.

( Spencer_Shayy )
He convinced himself he wasn't the creepy man pretending to be a girl, those guys are different from his perverted ass... somehow. I think this is called believing your own lies.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( fightlikeagirl )
The "I'm so gay" comments
While browsing socials, saw a post from a fandom group I follow, some fanart of one of the male characters. Below, there's a comment saying "I'm gay gay homosexual gay", which it turns out was coming from a TIF. And it occurs to me that almost all of the times someone posts something like "Wow I am so gay!", they aren't. It's TIMs posting it about women or TIFs/NB women posting it about men.

It's irritating that these people want to frame opposite-sex attraction as gay. Heterosexuality is totally okay, calling it "queer" devalues actual LGB culture and appropriates an orientation that people have long suffered for (and still do in many places). Just a small rant because it seems to be popping up a lot lately and wanted to see if this was a common experience.

( dragonheart )
It is very common. The worst for me is when TIMs refer to themselves as "dykes" because they're literally just straight men using a slur that has very real and ugly connotations for lesbians; these creepy assholes use it because they've noticed that lesbians have taken back the word for themselves and they try to imitate whatever the community does so they can "be a lesbian too".

It makes my skin crawl.

( tymps )
Yes, it really disgusts and angers me in such a visceral way when TIMs say "dyke." It's so creepy to come across men like that and realize just how much time they've probably spent lurking in lesbian communities (even if only online), basically taking notes and studying us, both because they get off on it and because they want to make their cheap imitations of us seem more authentic. There are so many of these straight TIMs in so many different niches who've tried to posit themselves as authoritative "lesbian" voices, and they wax poetic about the lesbian experience and lesbian history and lesbian community as if they could ever have a fucking clue. Then everyone showers them with praise and kisses their asses. It really makes me so angry to see that, especially knowing how much those people (the TIMs themselves and their pathetic sycophants) hate actual lesbians.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
The TIFs are also the ones dropping the "fggt" bomb all over the place. Calling themselves and gay men "f*gs".

TIMs are more likely to be violent against lesbians, TIFs are more likely to use openly homophobic slurs against gay men.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Hey ovarian carriers! Make sure your "wife" doesn't get you pregnant.
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( Spencer_Shayy )
Your husband is taking estrogen. It doesn't make him not a man anymore. The utter stupidity that "trans" people and everyone associated are affected by is abstinence only sex levels of idiotic.

"My husband says he's a woman now and he's doing up on drugs but he still got me pregnant?" Yes, you absolute moron. And neither of you are fit to be parents.

( iCONIC )

... is abstinence only sex levels of idiotic

Abstinence-only has benefits. It's the only 100% safe and effective way to avoid pregnancies and STIs. I haven't had "sex" for the past 24 years I've been on this planet, and I've survived just fine. TRAs have zero benefits. I'd tell them to abstain. They aren't mentally well enough for relationships or parenthood

( RusticTroglodyte )
Oh my god, these ppl are so fucked up. It's absolutely monstrous to bring a child into this world with a tim for a father

Wonder who the baby's primary caregiver will be? Also wonder who will be front and center at the baby shower/gender reveal/all baby related events

If this woman had any sense she'd leave her pervert husband

( shewolfoffrance )
There's a non-zero chance he'll try to nurse the baby 😞

( samsdat )
These delusional people should absolutely not be parents.

( DoomedSibyl )
Not to mention, why would we want to add more of these people’s genes to the population.

You heard it here first sisters, unprotected sex with men can get you pregnant. Also, men have penises.

( Megasaurus )
Yeah, that’s a terrible thing to do to a child.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Aside from the mental health and dysfunction, the sheer embarrassment of having some hulking pervert in a dress as a father is so unfair to a child

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( dragonheart )
TIFs entering gay male spaces and... complaining about men?
Every now and then, a TIF will come up on my feed and usually I just scroll but this one was complaining about the way she was treated on Grindr (which is an app for gay men) and I ended up watching it because I had a feeling she was going to complain about being sexualized in that space... and I was correct.

I just don't understand what she thought would happen on there? The naivety of TIFs is staggering! I'm guessing she had consumed too much yaoi/boys love and had a distorted view of gay men and male sexuality in general, where she thinks they just want to sit around holding hands and making daisy chains.

Obviously TIFs are never going to pose a physical threat to gay men in the way TIMs pose to lesbians but my God, the entitlement and delusion is just the same.

So sick of this.

( TheKnitta )
Why are they always moaning about gay men being gay men? Reality isn’t like the fanfiction written by women. Grow the hell up, TiFs.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Bc they're homophobes

( Eava )
Not really, they're heterosexual women who want gay men to see them as gay men, but treat them they way they expect heterosexual men to treat women.

( opreroma )
I think expecting gay men not to act like gay men is itself latently homophobic.

It seems to me that whether it's a TIF or a TIM, all the trans people start from the same place (misogyny) and end in the same place (homophobia). But, they call this "progress"...

( GeneralLesbian )
She might have gotten sexualized with a few Gay men. But it's mainly Bi and Pan men who are doing this.

I really thought you were going to say just the opposite. Gay men are still included within the Patriarchy. They are men. They have been loudly vocal about not watching to have sex with TIFS. They will shut it down.

It's hasn't be this long 13+ year slog of TIMS, who have created a Feminized Patriarchy within the LBTQ AFABS communities. Genital Preferences are a coping mechanism. Instead of this homophobic and misogynistic discourse young Lesbians should have been up front and said they only want to date and have sex with AFABS. The existence of Female Homosexuality has been completely ERASED.

[Deleted], no- & Killer_Danish #transphobia ovarit.com

( [Deleted] )
Do libfems not realize "transwomen are women" is quintessential Stockholm syndrome in and of itself?
This whole idea that biological men are a "different kind of woman" simply by virtue of wanting to be one (a uniquely MALE experience/desire I might add) and that "the most oppressed woman of all is one whose biologically male" is a prime example of "victim solidarization" in which a hostage/ prisoner projects their own captive status onto the captor? And it's a textbook symptom of Stockholm Syndrome.

In fact, I'm thinking of starting a project, where I take pictures of women posing next to their six foot tall AGP husbands crudely caked in clown makeup with a crudely concealed election pushing through their crudely fitted dresses and caption them with huge white letters saying "Stockholm syndrome" and posting them everywhere. In the same vein as posting stickers advertising Reduxx everywhere which I also wanna do. Do you guys think it would peak anyone?

( no- )
You have to keep in mind that when libfems say TWAW, they’re thinking about the mythical gay, totally passing, castrated TIM that wouldn’t hurt a fly, not the average TIM, who is basically a crossdresser. If they pictured a typical man in a dress in their heads, they’d probably feel at least a little hesitant about proclaiming that those men are literally women. Or maybe they’re thinking about a few TIMs they know personally who don’t seem like a big threat, ignoring the fact that the “kindness” they’re extending to them enables an avalanche effect that is causing the erasure of the female sex and its legal protections. They’re useful idiots, they don’t know what they’re doing or prefer to look the other way in favor of feeling righteous.

( Killer_Danish )
The greatest trick TRAs played on the general population was convincing them that MOST TiMs are petite and quiet homosexual transsexual men who have undergone bottom surgery and jUsT wAnT tO pEe!!!!😭

The actual truth, as most GC people have come to know, is that you’re more likely to encounter 20 linebacker-size heterosexual autogynophilic men who have had no bottom surgery, than the HSTS mentioned above.

( no- )
Not to mention that the petite HSTS hate women as much as the linebacker AGPs and are just as male.

legopants #transphobia ovarit.com

I remember when otherkin was a thing, and was relentlessly mocked. You can't be another species! You have no idea what it'd be like to be that animal, and you can't change your body into one! Eating the same food as a black bear doesn't make you a black bear! These people have a mental illness!

Then along came trans, another group who claims to know how it feels to be something they aren't and never can be, attempts to modify their body, and is 100% believable, somehow.

What's the difference, exactly? I'll never know what it's like to be a cat anymore than I'd know how it is to be a man.

Why was body modifications to give yourself a snake tongue delusional unhinged behavior, but body alterations to turn a penis inside out and form a hole isn't?

[...]

I have been unable to think of even a translogic way to say it's any different.

A male can never know how it is being female, and vice versa. Just as a human will never know how it is being a wild animal, and vice versa.

Maybe a TRA would say it's different because animals don't have gender like humans do? Like they'll say women can know what it's like by chopping of breasts and wearing a man's clothes, but the fact of the surgery alone is something men don't experience so. In that case... It still doesn't make sense since gender and sex are different things. Animals don't have a society and the ability to impose stereotypes about behavior, appearance, or interests which is all gender is. Men are not required to be masculine nor women feminine, so by any logic, it is no different saying you're the opposite sex in saying you're a different species entirely. Men can be "girly", and a woman can be a tomboy, but they will still be male and female. To say you know the experience of being female because you like stereotypically feminine shit is to say that is what it means to be a woman and therefore women who aren't feminine aren't women anymore. Even men who have hundreds of surgeries to appear female, already don't know the experience from the fact they needed those surgeries to begin with.

Idk, it's all so ridiculous

FeminismIs4Women & BlackCirce #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: I'm convinced that libfems and handmaidens have a burning hatred for other women and that's why they celebrate TiMs pushing female atheletes out of sports

( FeminismIs4Women )
I am a former handmaiden even if I never was libfem.

I didn't insult other women or harass people to agree with me but I dutifully repeated TWAW, thought they were the most oppressed group ever, science had moved on from the gender binary, all that crap.

I don't hate other women, my primary motivation of I am honest was deep pity. To me laughing at transsexuals felt like laughing at someone who had just pissed their pants in public, so when I doubted and questioned them in my mind I felt ashamed and suppressed it from myself. I would never say my doubts outloud. I thought they should be made to feel included because their lives seemed mostly so pitiful that they deserve to catch a break.

I didn't even think about sport as it isn't my interest. Same with prison. It was also a lot easier to stop myself thinking to hard and asking questions because it would cause the same guilty feeling, like I was bullying the weird kid in class for being different.

I was 10000% wrong about everything but there was no desire to make other women suffer. One of the reasons that 'be kind' is pushed so much is because it works really well on a lot of women who hate the idea of ever being thought of as unkind. It worked on me even though the facts where right in front of my face.

( BlackCirce )
I’m sure there’s some element of envy and destructive misogyny present but I think more of it is that trans rights activist women and women who play sports occupy different social worlds. I don’t think it’s a strict red / blue divide, but the people I know who are either trans or support it don’t play / watch sports and the people I know who play / watch sports don’t support trans. As with many other women-only services, it’s easy for TRA women to give up rights and services they have no personal use for. They don’t care about women having to play against men, they don’t know those women. They care about show support for the trans / nb people in their own social circles.

SwiftiePrincess & woman_be_free #transphobia ovarit.com

( SwiftiePrincess )
I'm convinced that libfems and handmaidens have a burning hatred for other women and that's why they celebrate TiMs pushing female atheletes out of sports
I used to be so confused as to how libfems could blithely clap like seals at TIMs pushing women out of their own sports categories, stealing scholarships/prize money/ positions on national teams that would have gone to a bio female. But I think I know the answer.

I think that for all they call themselves feminists, they just hate women. Its not even that they dont like being women and think men are better. I think some of them just straight up hate women. And it really is as simple as that.

TiMs pushing female atheletes out of sports isn't a bug, but a feature for them. I think it legitimately fills them with spiteful glee every time they see a TiM smirking on a podium surrounded by female runner ups trying not to cry. I think they dont just turn a blind eye to the female atheletes affected by TiMs dominating their sports, they actually enjoy that. I think they LOVE it that men are taking opportunities away from women. I think they just hate women that much.

And I also think this is at least partially why they fight so hard to put men in women's prisons and make every intimate space mixed sex. They legit LIKE the idea of subjecting other women to the humiliation/discomfort/indignity of undressing around men and relish the idea of being the "cool girl" who doesn't mind it.

( woman_be_free )
I think you’ve made a really articulate argument for a really inconvenient truth. And I agree. I noticed it too. Not necessarily always unattractive but definitely low self esteem and an axe to grind. Everyone is just a version of someone we’ve met before right? I notice a lot of the lesbian TRAs are either (1) not smart (not in the educated sense but are used to not thinking for themselves (2) massive rule followers who wait for the latest trend to land then follow it to the letter.

I genuinely don’t think most of the TRA women fighting for this actually care about the cause. So called altruism usually has another agenda. Sometimes I think TRA women are just eager to see what will happen when they set fire to the world.

They always travel in packs as well.

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

RE: A Finnish company launches tampons for men for trans awareness week
( Saoirse )
...So, how many of you spent a moment scratching your head wondering where exactly a man should put the tampon in - ending up with, "... in the... anus?....', before realizing this is for TIF?

No? Just me? Okay then.

Well, that was before I clicked on the link, because that "man" in the picture is extremely clickable TIF. Even with the beard, mustache, and the muscles, still undeniably woman.

( Lemonade_Masquerade )
I also thought man meant man. How silly of me. I hate the language games.

( DoomedSibyl )
No, it wasn’t just you. I thought they were marketing these to men so deep in the fetish that they’re convinced they have their period and are a) shoving tampons in their anus and/or b) rifling through garbage cans and disposal bins to find used sanitary products. That I considered this as a possibility shows just how insane the whole world has gotten. The fact that this is being pushed hard by billionaires capturing our biggest social institutions is beyond frightening.

Edited to fix autocorrect changing anus (a perfectly respectable medical term) to Anya. What a world! We can’t refer to anatomy that has been standard for hundreds of years but men get periods. And aren’t men anymore! And vice versa.

( emholio )
It boggles my mind how many companies are willing to offend women to market women's products. And it makes me smirk to think of the consumerism involved in worrying about and making sure to buy tampons that aren't too feminine. They go in your vagina! The mental gymnastics needed to call an item you put in your vagina a "men's" product must be exhausting.

( Lilith-Fair )
Because a lot of women on the left are literally supporting this shit, and too many other women aren't throwing a stinker like the TRAs. I swear, so often women can be their own worse enemy. We're the only group that historically have factions which cause is to support less rights for ourselves, or to take away our own rights.

( questioningtw )
I seriously hope this company goes under. Why do tampons even NEED to be marked to TIFs? They are just tampons.....talk about promoting fragility.

( Radishe )
So they're just going along with pretending women are men, i.e. "Manpons".

( RusticTroglodyte )
Affirming mentally ill ppl all the way to the bank

DietCokeAddict & FeminismIs4Women #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: How the trans row will end in compromise
( DietCokeAddict )
Who even is this guy? No dude, there is no possible compromise here. Women want some places to be female-only, just a tiny number. TRAs want absolutely no female-only places, anywhere, ever, for any reason. Women must never exclude men from anything.

One side here has already tried to compromise, over and over! We agreed to accommodate the tiny number of TIMs there used to be (gender certificates). We agreed to use wrong pronouns for “self-identified” TIMs. We ignored the gross ones who were clearly acting out fetishes and looked the other way.

None of that was enough, TIMs and TRAs keep pushing and pushing. Don’t want your daughters’ sports taken over by boys? You’re a filthy terf bigot and you deserve to die. Concerned about your autistic son who’s been told he’s not a real boy and is now depressed and demanding hormones? Give them to HER now or you’ll have a dead child and it’ll be all your fault.

So no, random man who’s never touched this topic before. We’re done trying to compromise, and damn right we regret the concessions we made earlier now we’ve seen where it leads. There’s no fence sitting - either you give a crap about women or you don’t. Pick a side.

( FeminismIs4Women )
This is the compromise that should happen: women keep all the single sex spaces that our foremothers fought so hard for, as is our birthright and inheritance. Everyone unanimously decides to believe in reality and agrees to uphold the freedom to believe and express their belief in scientific facts.

If they want them, transvestites and transexuals put the effort in to creating their own third spaces seperate from women's that cater to their own very different needs. If they want shelters or for transexual for example it's up to them to establish them. They accept the fact that they are not and will never be women and they continue to enjoy all the exact same human rights that they had before.

Collectively, every compromise or accommodation made to transvestites & transsexuals has been mercilessly exploited and abused. They want to tear down all safeguards (which they call gatekeeping) with no care for women and children.

[...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

How the trans row will end in compromise

( Riothamus )
No.

It will have to end in the unconditional surrender of the TRAs. Reality always wins.

( OwnLyingEyes )
In this matter, "compromise" is the equivalent of 'just the tip.' You have no legitimate claim to these spaces and are being evicted. Attempting to shove yourself into a category you don't meet the criteria for doesn't give you a claim on it, it's an invasion. Men's attempt at identity theft of the entire female class entitles them to jack shit from us.

( Agrona )
Dear mansplainer,

Compromise. Men stop telling women what to do. Men including the permanently offended don’t go into women’s spaces, jobs, awards, competitions (sporting or otherwise), clubs etc.

Men are men no matter how they dress and a spiny skirt does not magically transform you into anything except a deluded male.

No regards,

Shut up.

Small ‘m’ on purpose.

( AadirMorgendorfer )
Oh great. A man, who has done thirty whole minutes of reading on this issue, has arrived to tell women who are far cleverer than he is that womanhood should be generous enough to accommodate men. Oh, and that we're just social conservatives, and that this is just gay rights 2.0.

( Radishe )
Why are we the ones who always have to make the compromise? And have to make it again and again?

( OwnLyingEyes )
Because they're men who think when women tell them no outright to something they have no right to, that means it's time to negotiate with us rather than respect the no.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Let's be clear
( Hex )
Transsexual and transvestite become dirty words because no one would abide for "transing" kids if that's what it meant. SJWs would not ever say out loud "I helped my kid become transvestite!" They would get 0 social justice points, CPS would be called.

And they need to recruit young people because they are easier to groom, and also without young people in this "movement" they would be seen as the dirty old limp d1cks they are.

( FeminismIs4Women )
Thats why the words need to be brought back.

Transsexual and transvestite are not slurs they are accurate discriptions. The bad associations come from the association with paraphilas so they needed a rebrand.

Young people also make their movement look both more wholesome and more valid. The photogenic face of body mutilation. A boy who has been put on puberty blockers and hormone since childhood is a much more acceptable face of trans women than hulking guy with a lantern jaw and a beard.

Although over time maybe that will change slightly as there seem to be so many young women on testosterone who need to use zimmer frames because their bodies are being slowly destroyed.

If you are going to put your kid on the path to sterility then yeah, you should have to defend why you think your child is a transexual. They should be honest because that is what they are saying.

( DurableBook )
I've harped on this before, but seriously I wish everyone would stop talking about "inclusive restrooms" and instead call them what they are: unisex.

Some people want single sex facilities to be available. It is definitionally impossible to have a single-sex facility that is open to both sexes. It's not that I "want to exclude transwomen," it's that if a transwoman is using the same restroom as me then by definition that restroom is not single-sex.

Turns out if you refer to single-sex versus unisex facilities, pretty much everyone comes to the same conclusion: unisex is fine in many cases, but there are also times when single-sex should be available. Golly whoda thunk.

( Thelnebriati )
People who want to queer society come from a position of privilege, and are either dangerous or useful idiots. Remove the barriers and the most dangerous types are the ones to benefit. The rest of us are left to fend for ourselves as best we can.

various commenters #transphobia #conspiracy ovarit.com

RE: On AGP as a 'sexual orientation'
( BlackCirce )
AGPs see the death knell ringing for child transition and they want to make sure they can still get transition services and legal protections as adults. They want to make a deal with the anti child transition people that ok kids won’t transition but women still lose our rights. And it looks like it’s going to work because the “gender critical” refuses to actually be critical of gender. Gender: men are in charge. If there are 100 women and 1 man walks in the door, he’s automatically in charge. Gender: what men say, do and want matters more. If 100 women say no and 1 man says yes, it’s a yes. Gender: women suck. Women who say no to men should be laughed at and mocked, they’re boring, they’re stupid, they’re prudes, they’re ugly old hags, they’re beneath contempt. Men are fun and cool and women should listen to them and befriend them and help them and obey them. Gender: men can’t help being sexually inappropriate, it’s women’s fault, women have to control it, women have to hide from it, men are never ever responsible for their sexual behavior, sex is a man’s right, men cannot be “sexually repressed” and without an outlet to express sexuality, women who say no to male sexuality are hurting men.

I could do this for days but anyway yeah men in dresses are going to make a deal with men in pants that screws women over for the next 100 years

( GreenBottle )
Unfortunately it looks like many trans critical women are also going to be in on this deal. Not like their opinion matters to the men in pants/dresses in charge, but they will be doing the foot soldier work of trying to shame, bully, threaten, and harass the rest of us gender critical women to accepting this shit deal.

( IrishTheFrenchie )
They want to legitimize AGP as a sexual orientation to gear up for the ultimate goal- pedophilia as a legitimate sexual orientation.

( DonnaFemina )
I've pointed out many times that gay men were always in danger of getting bashed in the men's room, yet they've never asked to use the women's room to solve that problem, much less insisted that they had a right to.

Male on male violence is not women's problem to solve. Gay men knew that. I doubt it even occurred to them to ask us to solve it. Are trans-identified males stupider than gay men? Or more selfish? Or what?

samsdat, snails & RusticTroglodyte #transphobia ovarit.com

I can't believe I...
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( samsdat )
I think a lot of them will be unable to face the truth. I think the TIFs will actually be able to handle it a little better, but I predict a massive rise in TIM suicides in the next decade.

( snails )
Is the TIF bottom surgery reversible at all? Like if you took off the skin graft, could it ever go back to being a functional vulva? Would they have any sort of sensation down there during sex?

I know a lot fewer TIFs get bottom surgery than TIMs (and most TIMs are AGP and don’t get the surgery anyway), but I can’t imagine those that did get bottom surgery would be able to handle it better than the TIMs if it’s not at least partially reversible

( RusticTroglodyte )
I don't think it's reversible tbh.

( samsdat )
I don’t know about that, actually. I think you’re probably right, in that the TIFs who went all the way will struggle with the realization of what they’ve done. I imagine that women who had mastectomies and hysterectomies will find it easier to reconcile, because those are things that non-trans-identifying women do also, sometimes for non-medical reasons as well.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Were you peaked by "Terfs" or TiP ?

( fightlikeagirl )
TIMs. I was friends with several men growing up who later went TIM and they had some of the creepiest, most disgusting behavior. I used to be very open-minded about transgender males because they were often thought of as effeminate gay men (HSTS) instead of the sex pests (AGPs) that most actually are.

( TheKnitta )
A specific TiM saying he was angry with lesbians for being “transphobic” made me nope out directly, but around the same time, I also read questions by GC women that couldn’t be answered adequately by trans nonsense. Before that specific point, it was TiMs’ words and actions that had made me really question the whole trans ideology, but I’d not reached that peak. This was before the insane ‘trans women are women no debate pregnant people cervix havers’ etc stuff, and men everywhere in women’s spaces directly. The latter has to be perfect peaking material for most, surely. Literally just ‘let them speak’. They can’t help but show you who they really are (male predators).

( shimmeringlake )
It definitely became a NIMBY thing for me when sharing spaces with a TIM and having to pretend he's a woman when everything in my gut told me he's not, never was, and never will be, no matter how many body mods he got or ways he attempted to mimic women, and when having to keep his secret that transjoy doesn't actually exist; there is always dysphoria and never enough validation because TIPs always feel like imposters. But what peaked me was explaining gender theory to someone who had never been exposed to it, and the more I tried to convince this person of gender theory, the more ridiculous I sounded, and that person looked at me and said "I can tell from the way you talk about this that you don't actually believe anything you're saying." And they were right.

( dragonheart )
In theory, some women might think that having TIMs in their spaces isn't all that big a deal - especially when it's the gay effeminate kind you see on social media - but let me tell you, when you're seeking out a safe space as a woman for whatever reason and a TIM (usually actually heterosexual and performing reductive stereotypes) comes into that space and makes you feel the exact same way any man would, the reality will peak you quicker than lightening.

[...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: No, thanks! Nearly 17,000 people sign petition slamming the 'non-binary and transgender extravaganza' Macy's plans for upcoming Thanksgiving Day Parade | Daily Mail Online

( emholio )
Fucking hell don't ruin the snoopy balloon parade over a passing megafad that is gonna end up being 1000x the scandal lobotomies were in just a few years. Why is this the thing that every company on earth is trying to bend over backwards to inject into every product and service? And it's honestly past its peak, declining in popularity as the sane folks realize it's sexist and dumb and the edgy folks realize it's too popular to be "cool" anymore. Just... UGH.

( snails )
And even lobotomies weren’t commercialized and blindly celebrated by big companies the way trans is

( BondiBlue )
JUST FUCKING STOP INJECTING GENDER CRAP INTO EVERY GODDAMN THING ALREADY!!!

Did Macy’s learn nothing from Target???

( Spencer_Shayy )
My thoughts exactly. Nobody can go a single day anymore without hearing about something related to this gender crap. Well, not unless they never go online and only interact with normal people, but even then, chances are still high you'll see a gender roles flag (trans flag) or a colonization flag (the "progress" flag) or some flyer on a local business, especially in big cities. They're literally shoving it down our throats EVERYWHERE and then theyll have the audacity to say it doesn't affect us.

( Spencer_Shayy )
I love the fear mongering right away. "It's a conservative petition!" So? Anyone who is truly sick and tired of this shit won't care how it's stopped, just that it is.

And regardless of what you think about One Million Moms, they're completely correct when they say this "LGBTQ" shit isn't kid friendly. It used to be, back when it was just about homosexuals wanting to be treated like everyone else, but now thanks to straight and "trans" people, it's a pervert fest and nothing more.

The people Macy's wants to highlight in this parade, of course, are all men.

Either way, this kind of parade is completely unnecessary. It does absolutely nothing but make whoever organized it FEEL "progressive" and swell the already oversized egos of creepy men like Justin David Sullivan, K. Petras, and Alex Newell.

NastasyaFillipovna & Spencer_Shayy #transphobia ovarit.com

( NastasyaFillipovna )
Would Gender Ideology survive without means of mass communication and Social Media?
Like if something happens overnight, and society resets to a time where there is no more internet services, (we are back to the 90s somehow). There were a lot of mass movements that happened in the last century, from Racial Equality to Feminist movements, but those occurred without the help of Social Media. While the TiM indulgence I think is essentially a byproduct of increased social media pandering where everyone is concerned by the backlash they would receive, not IRL, but on SM.

I am not saying actual people who have rare cases of gender dysphoria won't exist, but they would be rightly categorized as Mentally ill, like they showed in the movie Silence of the Lambs, and get the help they need. But in the SM age, we get pandering where the CEO of an Endometriosis charity is a TiM, and Period Products are being advertised by a TiM

( Spencer_Shayy )
I don't believe it would. After all, it only came about online. I suspect, before the dawn of the internet, that "gender identity" was a term only used by John Money type psychologists. "Non binary", "demisexual" and all other "genders" and new "sexualities" were literally invented on the internet less than 20 years ago. They did not exist when I was a kid or even a teenager, and they certainly didn't exist in our parents or grandparents days.

"Transgender" existed, but certainly not in the way it does today, and you can see that if you watch or read any type of media created before the 21st century. They were portrayed as the "weirdos" on the fringe of society (rightly so), thought to be "extremely gay", and you'd be hard pressed to ever see a TIF - it was all TIMs, because, as many have said before, up until the 21st century, the only "trans" people were male - self hating gay men and straight male perverts with a fetish.

But at least back then, we could acknowledge them for the violent creeps they are.

Social media has done more harm than good, and I'd love nothing more than for it to be eradicated and for us to return to a pre-internet era. Thanks to the "wonders" of the internet, we are all now dumber as a species, unable to read, think, or write properly, and teeming with mental illnesses and violent hatred.

rightnow & Spencer_Shayy #transphobia ovarit.com

( rightnow )
Fundie Fridays Cannot Understand Why Fundamental Christians Would Be Pro-Trans, but Anti-Gay
Fundie Fridays (aka Jen) is a YouTuber and suspected TIM (I personally don't think she is, but 🤷🏻‍♀️) who makes videos gossiping about analyzing fundamental Christians. She recently made a video about late fundie Pat Robertson. Pat was anti-gay, but mildly pro-trans. Jen is shocked by this and thinks it makes no sense, but it's perfectly logical when you understand trans is inherently anti-gay. Of course, a fundamental Christian would have such strict views of gender roles, that gay or lesbians would actually be the opposite sex. And of course, he would rather have a "straight woman" than a gay man in his congregation, especially if in the process of turning that gay man into a straight woman means sterilizing him and destroying his sex drive. She just can't see past her ideology to see that though. The cognitive dissonance is real.

( Spencer_Shayy )
This is what happens when you're deliberately ignorant of the world around you. Anyone who does even the slightest bit of digging into the past would know that "transgender" has always been the result of misogyny and homophobia. They'll lament about what happened to Alan Turing without the slightest hint of awareness that that's exactly what they're promoting with this "gender affirming care" bullshit. I have no patience for these people anymore. People like her are willfully blind, and I've had enough. With the invention of the internet and all knowledge now being accessible online, there is NO excuse for not knowing anything anymore!

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( MaryDyer )
How TiMs choose their new middle names
I just scrolled through like 200 comments on a post on r/mtf that asked TiMs how they selected their new middle names.

A disturbingly-large percentage of these men adopted their grandmother’s name, or their mom’s name, or even their sister’s name. I mean…I can’t say I’m shocked, but that doesn’t mean I’m not skeeved out.

And there were so many Liliths. At least five Liliths. Four Lunas. Four Roses. A handful of other goddess names. Two Autumns.

I fear my eyeballs are permanently rolled.

( SummerGrl )
That is SO creepy! They want their own female family members names?! They want our clothes, our hair, our diseases. They take over sororities, bathrooms, sports. Is there anything they won't steal from women? I feel like some day we're going to find a TIM with a woman in the pit in his basement a la Buffalo Bill.

( Moonflower )
A man appropriating the name of one of his female relatives (let alone a living female relative) is just so utterly, indescribably gross. Is having someone notice it (and feel repulsed by it) part of the sexual thrill? Fucking explain yourself, dude. There needs to be so much more societal scrutiny and shame directed at males who pull this shit.

( High-Key_GC )
A trans-identifying-male who has appropriated the name of a living female relative has almost certainly also stolen, and gotten a boner from, that woman's underwear.

( TwoXChromosomes )
Skinwalkers gonna skinwalk.

( FeminismIs4Women )
It's just male entitlement. They have to be the first woman or a goddess or steal the name of someone close to them. In their minds they are the best and they can take whatever they want. But all they are doing is making themselves even easier to clock. They are so unoriginal.

BlackCirce & FeminismIs4Women #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: What happened at the Genspect conference with the AGP?

( BlackCirce )
Any time there’s an autogynephile at a gender critical thing, there are going to be women who are angry about it since that’s who we are fighting. This happens almost every time there is a not explicitly radical feminist “gender critical” gathering. AGPs are running the trans movement that destroyed women’s rights. Even if he’s supposedly a “safe” autogynephile because he’s friendly and fun and cool and admits he’s a man and is against (whatever political incursion) he’s still a man who has a sexual fetish for skinwalking women. Being looked at in women’s clothing sexually arouses / gratifies him and some women are aware of that and don’t consent to it and express anger about it, which is a good thing. It’s horrible (for some women, not all) to be subjected to AGP fetish, even if it’s “legal” and it’s “just clothes.” It’s like telling a victim of voyeurism “he’s just looking.” The powers of narcissism AGP men have over the gender critical movement is kind of surprising to me but I have absolutely no faith in anyone’s care for women.

( FeminismIs4Women )
They have every right to be angry. I am sure there were trans widdows present whose marriages were destroyed by AGP tendencies.

Its all part of the play book, AGPs will invade every women's space to get their rocks off, including gender critical spaces. Some AGP larp as anime girls, some larp as babies, as some larp as a parody of a GC woman. Its just crazy, if a guy had a minstrel fetish no one would say he can't help it and he can do whatever he wants but AGPs are even being given a free pass at Genspect to parade their fetish as if its something they can't prevent themselves from doing!

If he really wanted to do something useful he would start his own seperate event just for other AGPs where they learn about wacky new concepts like consent and respecting other peoples boundaries but that wouldn't give him the same rush of 'euphoria' so he keeps hanging around women in his fetishistic get up expecting head pats for doing the absolute bare minimum.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

"Is this some sort of jealousy from me...?"
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( greenbeans )

You will never be one of us. We're inherently superior being born women - even if you get your rights you will never come close to us no matter how much you try.

Truth hurts doesn't it scrotes? 💅

( totallyevilwarlock )
Of course, the only reason women aren't validating these poor twans people is because we are evil bullies who carefully pick every word in a conversation specifically based on how much it will hurt transwomen. Can't be for any valid reason, just bullying.

I have a feeling that if women were the ones who called this man a disgusting pervert and men were the ones who were mostly polite but not actively validating, women would still be the worst and most evil.

( Peppermint )
He and men like him really don't get it. I know they are all like this but to see them write it out in plain text time and time again; even after all the true accounts from women on twitter..its frustrating.

The reddit bubble and other bubble's their in where women can't say what they really mean obviously makes him believe women actually accept him.

I hope he's reading this. I hope they are all reading this. If you are reading this guys..I'd say keep reading Twitter. YWNBAW You will always be a man. And thats ok! You are totally allowed to wear a dress and make up and act ridiculous but that won't change a thing. YWNBAW. You Will Never Be A Woman!

Even if we ever get to a place where women can't say what they really mean and really feel about men like you on Twitter or anywhere else. It's because you are a man. And you are NOT one of us. YWNBAW. You Will Never Be A Woman!!!! EVER!!!!!

P. S. If you are angry about this even the slightest bit. Its because you are a man and you know it. Try to find a real therapist who can help you accept you for who you really are.

( Carrots90 )
They act like we are keeping them out of womanhood

Listen, the libfems don’t think you’re a woman either

But, even if ALL of us were willing to take lots of drugs and truly came to believe you are a woman,

you still would not be a woman!!

The only thing you can do is change the meaning of the word woman to include men, but them what do you have? Just the word ‘people’

various commenters #transphobia #enbyphobia #ableist ovarit.com

( montanagraey )
Responses to female comedian top surgery photo
Comedian Sarah Keyworth posted a photo of herself post-op on IG. She identifies as NB. It’s only been up an hour and the outpouring of congratulations has me feeling so sad.

The gaslighting is unreal… everyone is literally looking at a photo of someone who had perfectly healthy body parts removed and they’re celebrating it. It’s just so strange and disturbing…

( Killer_Danish )
It’s soooo pathetic when adults force everyone to play an extreme version of pretend. No, you are not “non-binary” because you paid some hack surgeon to do away with your breasts; you’re a self-hating woman who expresses that hatred through medically sanctioned self-harm! That is the honest truth!

Who is that other female comedian who had her bits hacked-off for her sOoOoOpEr SpEsHiAl iDeNtITy? Mae something… equally pathetic!

( Raea )
it wasn't long ago... maybe 25 years... that people who cut off healthy body parts "to feel more whole" were featured on sally or dr phil, like sideshow freaks, and EVERYONE said "why? why did you need to do this?" it was some freaky collective social exercise, where we all looked on in horror, shaking our heads and thanking whatever deity we respected that we didn't have "that kind" of terrible mental illness.

( FeminismIs4Women )
Another lesbian groomed into extreme self harm.

This probably doesn't make much sense but NB identified women getting mastectomies was one of the things that peaked me. I bought the whole 'born in the wrong body narrative' so stupid as I was, I accepted the idea of a woman having surgery to feel more like the man she is inside (I was so so stupid).

But seeing NB feminine women who didn't claim to be men get mastectomies for no particular reason really shocked and sickened me. Of course when you properly think about it for 5 minutes having your healthy breast removed for non-medical purposes is insane. But seeing women treat this surgery, that most women only get to save their lives, as casually as getting botox or lip fillers is unbelievable.

( Radishe )
I can remember when women with mastectomies were ashamed and told to wear fake breast or breasts when coming to the doctor's office so they wouldn't scare the other patients. Now women are doing it on purpose and openly bragging about it. This isn't progress.

BondiBlue & pennygadget #transphobia ovarit.com

( BondiBlue )
“People” magazine did a trans retcon of Kathleen Turner’s role on “Friends”
I bought this week’s issue of People that had a cover story about Matthew Perry. In the article are remarks about his passing from those outside the main Friends cast who knew him and worked with him: [...]

Kathleen Turner is also on the page that excerpts famous co-stars’ mini-eulogies for Perry, and for years she was listed as having played the role of Chandler’s father (who had a sex change operation — or maybe he didn’t, maybe he just went the Mulvaney route — and became a burlesque performer in Vegas, which is really the place that “drag storytime” belongs). But now the role has been completely “de-gendered,” such that Turner is simply described as having played Chandler’s “trans parent.” Not his father.

Hollywood is Hollywood, for sure, but it’s staggering how sweeping these forced language changes have been implemented — the publication deliberately omits the sexed reality of what a “trans parent” (AGP dad, in this case) actually is. TRAs, TIMs especially, really, really don’t want anyone to acknowledge that underneath it all, they are still MEN. (The very female Ms. Turner and her husky screen-siren / torch-singer voice notwithstanding, the character of Mister Bing in the story is quite obviously a man.)

So if Chandler never had a “father,” just a “trans parent,” was he conceived by midichlorians or something? (“Luke, I am your sperm provider”?) Was there a lost episode titled “The One Where Chandler’s Uterus-Having Parent Has a Virgin Birth”? It’s only a small snippet in a sidebar of the article, but it just reinforces how stupid, so blatantly obvious in its inherent contradictions and absurdities, this entire ideology is.

“Could you BE any more transparent?”

( pennygadget )
They're seriously afraid of misgendering a fictional character from a 20 year old TV show?

I saw this happen once when someone was talking about Rockos Modern Life in a review. The character of Ralph Bighead became a TIM in the movie that was released in 2020. So the person referencing an episode made in the 1990s insisted on referring to the obviously male character as "Ed's daughter" and "she".

Its bad enough when we have to cater to IRL gender-specials by rewriting history. Now we have to cater to FICTIONAL ones as well!

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( MaryDyer )
Made these last night while waiting for suggestions from you ladies. I have about ten of each.
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( SummerGrl )
These are nice! I love the "trans women are con men" one. It's so true. I also love the trans ideology is misogyny one. They're catchy enough to get people's attention and I like that you have Reduxx's info on one. Great work! <3

( Iceni )
My favorite is the fox/henhouse one. It's short and to the point. Might make these women who say they don't mind, you know, think about it.

( Agrona )
“Trans women are con men.”

Excellent.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Medicine with a “Transgender Bias” A new lawsuit raises the question of whether “gender-affirming care” constitutes gay conversion therapy and violated the civil rights of a gay man.

( WatcherattheGates )
We've all predicted it for some time--somebody was going to begin to argue that transing is conversion therapy. I am SO glad to see this new legal maneuver!

( ApricotThoughts )
Me too! Because it is gay conversion therapy - we can even apply the adjective "stealth" to it - stealth conversion therapy - if you've happened to read how they had legislative victories way back when, because they consciously chose to be "stealth" about it.

( Spencer_Shayy )
"Transgender" has ALWAYS been conversion therapy.

( Researcher1536 )
This is one of the top issues that made me peak around trans rights.

( Unicorn )
This is why it baffles me when anti-conversion therapy laws shoehorn in "gender identity" along with sexuality.

It is wrong to question and attempt to "convert" someone's same-sex attraction, because it is not harmful for a person to be attracted to people of the same sex.

It is not wrong to question if someone's "gender identity" is based on sexist stereotypes, cognitive distortions, or past trauma or abuse, because it is harmful for a person to stereotype women and men, think drugs and surgeries make one "authentic," run away from and ignore their past, and constantly need and seek external validation.

( OneStarWolf )

Shape’s lawyers argue that federal law affords distinct protections to gay men and lesbians—upon which clinics that operate with a transgender bias are trampling.

Oh this is promising. A good angle that is justifiable in law. In practice, "gender affirming care" very much IS conversion therapy to "fix" homosexuality. Iran does the same damn thing, the only difference is in the West it's surrounded by an ideological cult encouraging young boys/girls and medical providers to catch the gay ones and fix them very early on.

SwiftiePrincess #transphobia #enbyphobia ovarit.com

The four flavors of nonbinary
Whenever someone claims they're nonbinary, there's like a 99% chance they fall into one of four categories

1. Self-hating woman whose either incredibly gnc or stereotypically hyperfeminine but 'she's not a woman. She's a person goddamnit!'

2. Narcissistic gay man who's either put on a ton of weight and/or is on the verge of Twink Death age-wise

3. Straight up sexual predator trying to soften his masculinity in a bid to come off as less threatening to the libfems he's targeting

4. Wokebro """"male feminist"""" who can't cope with his guilt over being part of the oppressor class.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

The next time a TRA tries to pull the "GeNiTaL InSpEcTiOnS" argument, I need ya'll to spam them with this
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( crodish )
👏 this "You WANT genital inspections!" is such a load of crock. The whole issue is caused by males forcing themselves in places where they don't belong! Stop pretending you're women to get in women's spaces and there WON'T be a "need" for "genital inspections"!

We can also usually tell right away from the idk EVERYTHING ELSE whether someone is male or female. Wanting to show your genitals is a male thing.

( pennygadget )
How do they think we policed our spaces before genderwoo? By flipping a coin? LOL

We never needed genital checks because you can clock someone as male or female 99% of the time. The only exceptions are TIFs because they ravage their body with testosterone drugs

( MenHaveItEasy )
"They are unnecessary because you never pass."

Not to dismiss the op, but if you're explaining, you're losing.

Moids aren't entitled to a thoughtful explanation from women, and getting into the weeds benefits them.

No, you are a man. Take what's left of your dick and stay out.

( shewolfoffrance )
I’m at this point, too. I don’t care if there’s no compelling reason to keep men out of the Women’s Origami Club, or whatever. It should be enough that women said no.

( pennygadget )
They always bring up genital inspections because these perverts would love nothing more than for every trip to a public bathroom to include a forced hand-job and/or fingerbang. Women would NEVER want this even if it meant keeping the TIMs out. But male perverts would LOVE it. That's why they always bring it up

( ClaireBearStare )
They think that believing themselves to be trustworthy is enough, by extension we should see them that way too. Nevermind our silly self preservation instincts!

They try really hard to make us out as the batshit insane ones. Implying we would have everyone strip searched. Fucking lolll.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

“mostly women do the job of seeing me as a woman”
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( old_but_gold )
Everyone knows you’re a man, women are just not confrontational (for safety reasons and due to socialization).

Also note the language: “do the job”

As if it’s a duty to “affirm” his gendies.

( Sonnet )
This post is a good example of how these identity claims operate as a form of social control.

No one here actually believes the claim, including the speaker. OP knows he is male, the compliant women of the office know he is male, and the noncompliant men of the office know he is male. The ultimate goal is not to persuade anyone of anything - - that would be pointless, because everyone involved already recognizes he’s a transwoman and not a woman. The goal is to exert the necessary social force to insist on the correct public performance of belief regardless of the person’s true thoughts and perceptions.

( Novemberinthechair )
Give up. You're a man. Those pickmeishas kissing your ass are brainwashed and hurting the rest of us.

Mind you, you come across as a delusional male who can throw a tantrum and get anyone fired. As long as you lie about who you are, don't expect everyone to tell you the truth. Your socially acceptable mental problems have been given priority in certain spaces. Fifteen years ago, you wouldn't be able to pull this grift. You're an emotional bully and an asshole.

( space_out )
Well, the guys have an option to ignore the nonsense knowing the TIM will flip out eventually which will be pure entertainment for them and maybe a chance to punch the TIM. Men love punching. Womens options are to go along or get punched, if I have understood the tik-toks, tweets, antifa'n'friends banners, vandalisation of women's shelters that try to protect women, the whole of preddit correctly.

And he knows that, he just loves the power to intimidate women and is trying to find a way to have the same power over men. Maybe some tips on how to spin this story to HR or some other entity that could make the whole of society to tremble at his every request.

( emholio )
I have joined the rank of people who will not "do the job" of giving a shit about pornsick men's feelings. It's glorious. Not a single movement or breath of mine will ever be spent to placate a liar. 🦸‍♀️

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

How dare lesbians not date me, a man?
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( VestalVirgin )
I'm hetero.

Still wouldn't date a TIM.

I'd rather be with a man who won't try to skinwalk me, thank you.

Why those scrotes think anyone wants to date them is beyond me, but their delusion that lesbians - who are per definition not attracted to them - would ever date them is especially stupid.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Ditto. It's totally off putting and actually seriously unnatural. If a time traveler from the 1800s came to 2023 and saw a tim they'd scream and run into a church. Shit, I'm an atheist non-time traveler and that's my first instinct when I see one lol

( Carrots90 )
They’d still know he was a sexual pervert

( mathlover )
I can't tell if the person claiming to be a lesbian but wants dick is a woman or a larping man. If it's a real woman, that is infuriating. All men, especially the rapey "transbians", already think all lesbians really want men and their skanky dicks. Why give them any more ammo.

Very few bi and het women (by definition, the only women who get with men) willingly get with TIMs. Most won't because of the kind of men the "trans" are. But lesbians don't have to know anything about what a man is like. Born with a dick (ie: male) is a permanent dealbreaker for lesbians.

So for the lurkers, no lesbian will ever want you. Lol.

( Carrots90 )
She is bi and needs to not steal the term lesbian just because it sounds cool

Like you say, she makes it harder on actual lesbians

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( SwiftiePrincess )
STOP PUTTING KIM PETRAS ON LISTS OF "FEMALE ARTISTS"
I just saw a post on Twitter featuring a list of the "most streamed female albums of Spotify" and for some reason Kim Petras' is hogging one of the spots in the top 5. WHY? HE. IS. NOT. FEMALE!

But of course "including transwomen doesn't result in female erasure" nosireee! 🙄

Fwiw I actually like some of his music (at least the songs that don't involve being violently f*cked and degraded by men) and he does have a decent set of pipes, but he's not a female and he shouldn't be taking spots from actual ones.

Also the album art for "Feed the Beast" is creepy. He's looking into the camera with this simpering pout as he clutches his moobies which makes my skin crawl 🤢🤮

( Re-enacterf )
His whole career is horrific. He's an actual modern-day castrato. And he sings about being a bimbofied woman.

( RuneOwl )
Horrific indeed.

It was a popular conspiracy theory around 10 years ago that certain pop stars were victims of MK Ultra style programs meant to serve as propagandists for the Illuminati or whatever. One of their main talking points was how many female singers were groomed into “sex kitten programming” by intentionally inflicting traumatic sexual abuse until they could be triggered on command. Shit gets pretty dark.

While I don’t particularly buy into that exact narrative, to be honest Kim Petras is a pretty compelling case of someone being abused and brainwashed for the purpose of being in the public eye and promoting a sinister agenda. I certainly worry about stuff like this more than whether JayZ is a satanist who eats babies because he does that stupid triangle hand gesture.

( delicate_silicate )
He's so gross. He a man pretending to be a slutty woman who sings about hard-core sex to underage girls. I used to feel bad for him, but he seems very happy to ride this misogynistic gravy train he's on. He hates women.

( pennygadget )
I feel bad for him. He was castrated young. And his record label has him flounce around singing about being a stupid slut. As if that poor eunuch knows anything about sex.

( tymps )
I hate that sort of thing. It also drives me crazy when people include TIMs on lists of female directors. Usually they include those creepy Wachowski brothers...as if they'd have the massively successful careers that they've had if they were actually women. [...]

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Trans women pose no threat to cis women, but we pose a threat to them if we make them outcasts - The Guardian (2020)

( vulvapeople )
Women aren’t making TIMs outcasts, they are. No one wants to deal with a person who will have meltdowns when their delusions aren’t affirmed. Also, most friendships, even in current day, are same sex, and while women seem more willing to have TIM friends than men are to have any trans-identified people in their lives, most women still don’t want them around. TIMs have othered themselves by refusing to come to terms with being men. That’s not women’s job to solve.

( Women1st )

When there is so much real violence against women, it’s a sad waste of time to focus on imaginary maybe presumably it-could-theoretically-happen violence.

Just have to reiterate that this post is the condescending, gaslighting BS claim that the MSM, the government, and the TRAs keep making. If trans males weren’t a risk to women, then why the coverup? Why the lies? Why scrub stories and posts? why erase women?

Lol, and that’s forgetting the fact that the new rule of thumb allows trans males to violently assault and intimidate women at Let Women Speak events. It also forgets the violent rape rhetoric towards lesbians at Pride events.

( OneStarWolf )
What a shitty, gaslighting article.

It has been well established by research and stats that trans identified males have the same criminality as other males. So they do in fact pose an equal threat, if not more so for transgressing women’s boundaries in the first place. Prisons stats alone show that “transwomen” are incarcerated at the highest rates for sexual offenses, even more than other males. So no thanks, stay out. Women and girls need sex based rights and recognition, not erasure to placate men’s mental illness.

( Chronicity )
Yes, TIMs feel threatened by our existence. That’s why they seek to erase us, destroy our rights, and minimize our worth to society.

( shewolfoffrance )
Yes. They aren't really afraid of violence. They're afraid that women won't "affirm" them. They aren't content to have their own, fringey little cross-dressing clubs. They're desperate to coerce women into participating in their fetish.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

TIM mad at mom for telling him neither women or men will want to date him
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( RusticTroglodyte )
Based mom. Personally I'd go the health route, but this mom is smarter than me. Try to convince the scrotes they're destroying their sex lives, that might get them to stop

I cannot imagine how harrowing it would be to find out your kid is trans, esp if your kid is male

( Carrots90 )
I wonder

I think id rather my son be trans than my daughter

I feel like the TIF treatments are worse than the TIM, especially if he is one of the 90% who keeps their dick

( pegasusknight )
The large amounts of testosterone are like poison for women. It’s sad.

( TheKnitta )
Ah yes, can't handle the truth from your mother, so run away and play a roleplaying game online like real adults do, right?

She's actually worried about him, bless her. It must be so hard to be a parent of a TIP.

( RusticTroglodyte )
It must be similar to watching your kid develop a drug addiction like heroin or meth

( OverTheWall )
This is totally the incel to TIM pipeline.

He admits he wasn’t getting parters before becoming trans, so he probably fried his brain with porn.

( Hollyhock )
I feel so bad for the parents of these kids (not for the parents who trans their kids, usually before puberty - they are a different breed) who often get thrown this crap when said kid is 17 or 18 and they have little control over the situation. It's not only embarrassing as hell, it's agonizing to know your child is purposely destroying their bodies and no one will love them when you've passed on.

( BlackCirce )
So the crazy part about this is that the mom is telling him something that TRAs already know and publicize. They constantly complain that nobody wants to fuck trans people and position it as a social justice problem. They have had studies done on it. It’s not new “terf” information. Messing up your secondary sex characteristics on purpose is the stupidest thing you can do if you want to have a nonfetishistic sex life and find a permanent relationship with someone who truly cares about you.

various commenters #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

RE: Are heterosexual men lying about being repulsed by TIMs?

( IrishTheFrenchie )
I'd 100% believe pornhub was pushing TIM porn on men specifically to pervert them even further than they already are.

( mathlover )
Yes, they are very much repulsed. But men will fuck even that which repulses them; they just stick their dicks in objects. The real test of repulsion is the fact that men know that TIMs absolutely are men but think the TIMs should use womens bathrooms, changing rooms, etc - where they have to acknowledge that TIMs are the same sort of people as all other men. And that is what is repulsive.

( derbear )
I think men have a harder time discerning some TIMs apart from women. I’m convinced women have better ability to “clock”. This would partly explain the ability for trans porn to escalate as such and the general phenomenon of TIM prostitution. Part of what makes trans such a poison pill is that it cracks open these questions. It does suggest that men are vastly more bisexual than we assume… or that watching enough porn can affect sexuality.

( MagnificentMildew )
I personally don't think a legitimately straight man can be attracted to TIMs: no matter how well they pass, the penis should turn them off. I'd be willing to bet there's just a lot of closeted bisexual men out there who are into TIMs. It would explain why the bisexual community is so heavily skewed female: most bi men just never come out.

However, I've thought that it would sort of make sense that men like TIMs. TIMs are basically acting out men's fantasies of what they WANT women to be like, or what they THINK women are like, right? So awfully enough I think it actually tracks that men would be lusting over men acting out collective male fantasies.

( proudcatlady )
Yes, most of the time when men’s mouths are moving they are lying. Men are absolutely attracted to TIMs. I think most straight men are. I don’t think men’s sexuality works like women’s at all. I think straight genuinely does mean attracted to visible femininity for men rather than an attraction to a body type.

Men won’t admit this just like they won’t admit that most of them are pedos deep down or that most of them would like to skip the whole consent thing (or maybe even would get extra enjoyment from skipping it). They lie lie lie. But pornhub statistics don’t lie. And male behavior doesn’t lie.

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BlackCirce & OneStarWolf #transphobia ovarit.com

Nurse tells B.C. disciplinary hearing she's not transphobic, calls gender identity 'metaphysical nonsense'

( BlackCirce )
How is this case still going on? A woman with medical training knows that men can’t transform into women and she thinks it’s fucking sick to house a male rapist in a women’s prison. Is thinking not allowed in Canada or what? Okay James Cantor (I can’t stand him) isn’t the best at providing evidence for ROGD. Can anyone provide evidence of a man becoming a woman? Changing DNA? Giving birth? Menstruating? Ovulating? Any female bodily process at all? The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, isn’t it?

( OneStarWolf )
Oh this is taking place in Tranada? Her odds are not good. Very high percentage of TRAs there, even to the point that they put gender woo into their laws. Any Canadian man gets to claim trans privilege status over any woman, anytime he wants and legally he’s covered. That’s how they ended up with the perverted z-size prosthetic breast shop teacher pushing his fetish on school kids and the school couldn’t do a thing about it.

GraceHoward1729, pegasusknight & samsdat #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: I'm not a TERF because...

( GraceHoward1729 )
I am a TERF. Trangenderism-exclusionary, as I know transgenderism to be antithetical to feminism. Just as prostitution is, as surrogacy is, as pornography is, and as the criminalisation of safe abortion for all women is. All these being antithetical to feminism does not mean that feminism does not include prostituted women, women in surrogacy camps who have had their baby taken from them, women exploited in pornography, and women held hostage by the cult of transgenderism. In fact, you could argue that feminism is for them.

Feminism isn't a club where a group of people can choose who is 'deserving' of freedom and who to exclude and include. All women are included in feminism by virtue of it being feminism, regardless of what nonsensical name they call themselves.

But feminism does not promote transgenderism, as feminism is for gender abolition, not imprisoning people for not believing in a pink soul.

( pegasusknight )
I don’t think TERFs are anti-trans. Most (all?) people here don’t want harm to come to them and want them to be able to live their lives in peace. The problem is when they encroach on the rights and safety of women and children.

( samsdat )
I’m not anti-people - I want trans-identified people to have the same rights we all do - but I am absolutely anti-trans-ideology.

The idea that “liking pink” or “being sensitive” or fapping to the idea of yourself as a woman makes you a woman or that “not feeling like all those other girls” or preferring pants over skirts makes you a man is abhorrent to me. The entire ideology is rooted in deep misogyny in both directions, and I am anti-misogyny, therefore I am anti-trans-ideology.

I don’t want to control what people wear or what they masturbate to or what they do in private with other consenting adults, even if I find it misogynist or loathsome, but I absolutely am against the fact that people twisting reality based on their emotions and “gender feels” have so much power over law and society today.

I am a free speech absolutist*, because I believe that abhorrent ideas can only be countered if they’re out in the open, but that means I get the right to argue against those ideas. And if there are going to be laws on speech, they should come down on the side of objective reality, but they should still be minimal.

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various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

( FeminismIs4Women )
I'm not a TERF because...
Transmen are women and feminism is for them too. They deserve to be free from the patriarchy just like all the other women and girls of the world.

( harum-scarum )
I believe TiFs have been screwed over by men and the shitty patriarchal world. I am a terf because TiFs may be women, but they aren't feminists.

( hard_headed_woman )
I'm a full flown terf. I don't want transwomen or transmen around my grandchildren. I don't want them in my grandchildren's spaces, and I certainly don't want a TIF teaching and influencing my grandchildren anymore than I want a TIM. I don't want their fucked up lives messing with my children's lives.

Brutal? Yes.

The truth. Yes.

I've already dealt with that cult trying to get one of my children, and they aren't getting my grandchildren. It was TIFs who tried to get my daughter.

Enough said.

( sensusquaeram )
I hear you. I've also dealt with this personally, lost an adult family member to it years ago, and have zero illusions about how this ideology works.

( VestalVirgin )
I'm not a terf because simply, I refuse to be named anything whatsoever by men who hate me.

They might call me a terf, but I know I am a feminist, plain and simple.

That feminism excludes men from female spaces need not be mentioned, it is implied in the word. Women who want men in womens' spaces are not feminists. (I may refer to them as "libfems" for simplicity's sake, but in truth, they are no kind of feminist)

( WasItSomethingISaid )
I think when women here refer to themselves as "terfs," it is tongue-in-cheek and they are using it in the same way that TPAs do, which is to mean that we naturally exclude TIMs (and all men) from our sex class advocacy. TPAs don't care about TIFs as much as they care about TIMs, so they're always failing to consider them when they come up with these terms. Talk about exclusionary. It's ironic like everything else in their ideology. It seems that most of us don't want to exclude TIFs from women's spaces or from our advocacy.

( Peppermint )
Trans is a made up word to describe people who want to change sex but can't. As you said, TIFs are women. Nothing they can do will ever make them actual men.

( hellamomzilla )
Sorry — women are women. Stop playing the linguistic games.

I AM a TERF because trans is a religion I do not recognize and women who pretend to be men belong to that religion.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

Survey of 34,000 health care professionals indicates higher bias against transgender people

( BlackCirce )
I’m shocked that women who know what sex is are implicitly biased against people who can get them fired for acknowledging sex

( TheKnitta )
That’s not ‘bias’, that’s simple scientific knowledge. You can’t change sex, and the majority of transgender people have a mental illness (if not all).

They’re so desperately trying to make it the same as being homosexual, aren’t they?

( Spencer_Shayy )
Let me guess, the "bias" is they won't validate their fetishes or made up "genders"? There is literally no group on earth more privileged than "trans" people. Well, except men.

( crodish )
Yeah it's "biased" in the same way most people are "biased" to "believe" that the world is round. Feelings aren't facts, the world will remain round even if everyone became a flat earther, and humans can't change sex, and gender is bullshit.

( Understanderson )
I thought this was going to be about how healthcare professionals expect trans patients to be mentally ill and high maintenance, which is frequently true.

( woman_be_free )
I was 100% thinking the same thing. ‘Healthcare professionals are more biased against trans ppl than the higher population and nurses are the highest of healthcare prof’.

And I wonder why that is .

Nurses who along with care assistants have the most patient time and so are exposed most to TIPs and everything they… err… ‘bring’ with them to the table. Seriously, I would love to know what is said privately in some healthcare professionals conversations. I reckon a good amount of them are GC based on their interactions with TIPs

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

How do I lie to my child and teach her she’s wrong for knowing someone was a man?

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( notsofreshfeeling )
How can I gaslight my child and undermine their safety for the sake of strange, fetishistic men? Please be kind in the comments xoxoxoxoxox

( SummerGrl )
Seriously. What kind of parent puts the feelings of a strange man above the safety of their own child.

( Megasaurus )
Handmaidens refuse to protect their own children from predators, no wonder they throw other other women under the bus so eagerly.

( RusticTroglodyte )
Exactly. This the type of mom who brings her kids to drag clubs and DQSH.

Also not to jump to every bad conclusion, but a parent willing to invalidate their child over something like this, probably invalidates them in other aspects too

( TheKnitta )
Can you imagine if the worst happened and this child was abused by a TiM? There’s no way she’d feel able to tell her mother what was happening. The whole thing is a child abuser’s dream come true.

( ArmyofMe )
How do I teach my daughter to prioritize an adult man’s feelings over her natural instincts.

( Caerulea )
and safety

( AadirMorgendorfer )
God, I could weep for that daughter. If your own mother would rather appease boundary-transgressing males (who are MORE fucking likely to commit sex crimes than your average man) than safeguard you, what hope is there?

( BlackCirce )
It’s so bizarre watching women betray their own daughters like this 🤢

( pennygadget )
Women in Africa and the Middle East routinely perform FGM on their daughters for the sake of their future hypothetical sons in law. So I guess its no surprise that the handmaidens here in the west have been convinced to sell their daughters out to random men in lipstick

( pennygadget )
"How do I train my daughter to kill her self preservation instincts so that she's easier to rape going forward?"

This is one of the main goals of this trans bullshit, IMO. To train our basic self preservation instincts out of us. This little girl's mother is training her to keep her mouth shut and not run away when a man makes her uncomfortable in an intimate space. This is abuse

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

TIM fails to understand actual woman

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( shewolfoffrance )
He was wearing clothes in the women's locker room because he doesn't feel comfortable changing clothes in the women's locker room.

So, why was he even in the women's locker room?

(I know, he was probably just lurking and staring.)

( IrishTheFrenchie )

I don't feel comfortable changing clothes in the locker area

Yet you expect women to feel comfortable with YOU in there watching them change THEIR clothes. Fucking pervert.

( notsofreshfeeling )
This post is really all about bragging that he invaded a female space today. He's posting to earn street cred from his fellow male fetishists.

( SummerGrl )

I don't completely pass yet.

I love how these guys think they're going to get to this ✨magical✨ passing stage where they suddenly turn into a woman and nobody would ever know they were men. Like, it's not gonna happen dude. You're a man. You're male. You have testes, you have male bone structure. Your chromosomes are XY. You can't change those. 😂 It's such a delusional way of thinking. You're never gonna "pass" because you're male!! XY don't lie!

( notsofreshfeeling )
He knows he will never pass. They talk like this because it is a way of signaling to other fetishists. Transgenderism is their little clubhouse and using the cult language is a way to wink-wink-nudge-nudge at each other.

( hellamomzilla )
Awwww, did the creepy asshole perv feel bad when an actual woman pointed out that he’s a man? Maybe you should reflect on that, SIR.

I’m also amused that this idiotic perv can’t parse this situation. Show me that you’re not a woman while claiming that you are a woman from the top of your 6 foot 3 head to your size 14 canoes. SIR.

( Edelgard )
The delusion LMAO. Some women don't care about sharing their locker rooms with men, others would rather not but are resigned to it. The world isn't nicely separated between delusional handmaidens and hardcore feminists.

( AadirMorgendorfer )
Exactly, and some know that directly challenging a man who has already breached women's boundaries is not likely to go well for them. He knows he doesn't pass and yet is still so unembarrassed about being in a space where women are trying to change.

various commenters #transphobia #sexist ovarit.com

First of all, no you haven’t. Second, surely you’d be safer in the men’s room
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( SparklingFem )
Until recently, my instinct was always to believe the victim. And if the victim is a woman, I do believe her. When the victim is a man, claiming to be a woman, my instinct now is not to believe him. I kind of hate myself for it, but I've just seen them fetishize rape and CSA so often, that I have to wonder if it's just a fantasy to help affirm them as women. I do not doubt that TIMs in sex work have been raped, but I don't believe the oft-cited statistic that TIMs experience rape at a higher rate than women. I think it's just another way to claim they are the most at-risk population that has ever existed in the entirety of human history. I think this dude claiming to have been raped by not one, not two, but SIX women is pure and utter fantasy.

( Spencer_Shayy )
There's no way in hell this man was raped by 6 women.

( DoomedSibyl )
Thank you. How exactly does a woman rape a man anyway? If it’s one on one the male will have the physical advantage 99% of the time.

Do women rape in groups? To lessen the physical advantages men have? Would rape be defined as penis in vagina sex unwanted by the male? Or anal rape with an object?

The reason these things aren’t really defined? Because they almost never happen and we don’t need law to cover them for the most part. Raped by six women my aunt Fanny.

( Megasaurus )
Men are >95% of sex offenders. TIMS are even more likely than other men to be sex offenders. This is all DARVO.

( MardyMcMare )
Oh love, only in your porniest dreams were you “raped by 6 different cis women”.

Women don't rape. It’s an entirely male thing, which is why we don’t want you in our single-sex spaces.

Men, on the other hand, are always telling me in real life and on the internet: “Oh, I neither notice nor care who else is in the men’s when I’m in there”.

There’s your answer.

( Spencer_Shayy )
How does a woman even rape a man? By forcing his dick into her? I mean, sure, that can be traumatic if it's not consensual, but come on. No way 6 women did this to him. It's got to be a porn fantasy.

( TheChaliceIsMightier )
The difference is that this pervert probably enjoyed whatever happened to him that he’s terming “rape” which it probably was NOT.

dragonheart, mathlover & Lipsy #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Thoughts on the effects of Tims in wlw spaces

( dragonheart )
It's not just you, there is a specific comfortable energy and atmosphere when you're in a space of all women. Bringing a man into that space changes that atmosphere and you can literally feel the energy of the whole space change because of his presence.

I'm also extra on guard around TIMs in wlw spaces because I'm half-expecting them to cause some kind of problem for the sake of attention/oppression points which can ruin the vibes and make everyone uncomfortable. This has happened IRL a few times where they're sour that they aren't being treated in the same way as actual women and feel entitled to our time and attention.

( mathlover )
Of course all the women will be profoundly relieved when any TIMs, even one, are gone. Every interaction with him, everything anyone says that he might overhear, every effort to avoid being around him, all of it - is the anxiety and anger at being violated. Doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do. He is a predator. A fox in a henhouse is a predator even if it never touches any of the chickens; the fox doesn't belong there.

That man was getting off on the violation of a space he will never - can never - belong. One of the most frustrating things has to be that he would probably leave if every woman there completely ignored him and/or told him to gtfo because no one wanted him there.

( Lipsy )
The over-the-top entitlement complex, the aggressive hunting for somethingANYthing to be offended or even OUTRAGED by, and the neverending victimhood/grievance syndrome are all par for the course with these boyos, and absolutely everybody knows these things all too well by this point—especially Women, who just get used to walking on eggshells in the hope of not detonating the ticking time bomb of overdulged male rage. The chilling effect on good and/or relaxed vibes of all kinds is inevitable as a result; it's been conditioned nonstop for years now.

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Too-bad-so-sad to Your friend if he's one of the 0.1% that the other 99.9% are constantly fucking everything up for, but, that's ultimately between him and the 99.9%.

various commenters #transphobia ovarit.com

RE: Thoughts on the effects of Tims in wlw spaces

( notsofreshfeeling )
I think men who make an effort to infiltrate WLW spaces are absolutely untrustworthy. Even if he hasn't creeped on anyone physically, he is collecting "intel" and studying the women like insects.

( Laurel )
Even if he's not studying how to do femininity better, he has no right to be there and he knows it. He is untrustworthy for that alone.

( mathlover )
They get off on being there. They are looking at us to see what they can try to (always ultimately unsuccessfully) imitate. But they also bring the male gaze and everything they see is masturbation material for later on.They get off on being there and forcing women to go along with the fantasy.

( dragonheart )
This! I feel like we don't talk about this enough. They come into these spaces to observe and as somebody who has been on the receiving end of it, it was so uncomfortable. The worst part is, if you dare call it out, you risk looking like the unreasonable one?

( woman_be_free )
Yeah 100% can relate to this. They observe. I had a TIM sit next to me sat night in a pub (he joined a meet up my friend ran so it gave him that permission to join our group). I noticed him in my space all night. Never spoke to me just stood there listening to our conversation. If that was a woman or a normal bloke I would have either included them or asked them to leave me alone. The problem is TIMs act like they have a mandate now as so many idiot handmaiden lesbian and bi women fawn over them. You’re entirely right - if you challenged their presence or behaviour (I.e . His staring) you would immediately be labelled transphobic. I’m always alert for them to start touching. TIMs behaviour usually worsens over time so I think their boundaries will too… I think it won’t be long before we start to see frequent episodes of TIMs touching women in bars. Sadly. Hopefully if that does happen, society is willing to accept it is assualt and a line will finally be drawn.

I’m always alert to potential touching, pls take care of yourself when very near a TIM

( shveya )
Yes, they change the entire vibe of the event because nobody can relax with porn-addled men making everyone walk on egg shells for them.

( TisTheSeason )
He was a man invading the space, whether he's friends with many of you or appears "fem" doesn't change that his action is hostile and you definitely register it as such.

Saoirse #transphobia ovarit.com

Fury as woke council flushes the word 'mothers' from its guidance on 'new and expectant parents' for staff who have given birth or are breastfeeding... 'including transgender people' | Daily Mail Online


At this point I feel like we are on the way to create a society where females are these subhuman creatures whose bodies are used for baby making and sexual "needs". "Woman" is meaningless, everyone can be a woman. Magazines, fashion shows, advertisments, beauty contests, woman of the year, they all full of TIM, and they are much better women than these inferior females!

"Menstruators", "people with vagina", "cervix havers", "uterus carriers", "non-prostate owners", "birthing people", this has a meaning. They are not women. They are subhuman females. Such inferior creatures can elevate to human, though, if they identify as men or non-binary. Then it's a "pregnant man", not "pregnant person" or "birthing person".

But then how do you distinguish between these inferior females and these superior females who have human status? Well, first, you don't call them females. This is dehumanising. Second, they do not have female parts. They do not have vagina, this is a front hole or a bonus hole. Don't say they have uterus, cervix, volva. That's extremely offensive. Even if they carry a baby, don't say they have uterus. How dare you. And they are not breastfeeding, they are chestfeeding.

I can't forget that TIF Syven who had two babies (one was a surprise) and said the following:

'You're a pregnant man sitting around a whole bunch of females, looking at you like "no, it can't be," or "why?" Or "is it possible you're faking?"' he explained.

(She is talking about waiting in the waiting room for the OB-GYN while being a pregnant TIF who looks like a man, and in this waiting room were other pregnant women, who looked at her in a WTF kind of way because she is visibly pregnant but also looks like a man.)

A whole bunch of females. Bunch of bred female animals. She is a "pregnant man", but these females? They are inferior. They are just females. Bunch of them.

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