David J. Stewart #fundie

David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

You do not have to be water baptized to go to Heaven! Granted, water baptism is the first step of obedience for the believer, and I encourage all Christians to be baptized if you have never done so; but it is not required, nor permitted, in God's plan of salvation. If you get baptized “JUST IN CASE,” then you are going straight to Hell when you die. You're not really trusting the Savior, if you're also relying upon anything else (like water baptism). Salvation is obtained by faith alone, without works.

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You do not have to be water baptized to go to Heaven!

According to any Baptist “Church”, not only do you absolutely have to be baptized with water, you also have to be baptized with water the exact correct way. You have to wear a white robe and be totally emerged in 1,2m deep water by a male(!) pastor who dramatically acts as if he’s trying to drown you. Women should be careful to wear a tight, formless smooth bra under the white robe. Any visible nipples through the wet cloth would put a sinful strain on the pastor. We all know God didn’t create nipples, the devil did.

Now, if you really want to be truly baptized, screw the heretical Baptists and go to your local Holy Roman Catholic Church. They only pour a little water on your forehead. No drama, no show, and no wet nipples! And if you want, the priest will probably be willing to do the whole thing in Latin. Oh, what fun.

Salvation is obtained by faith alone, without works. Three children have control.

Nope, don’t believe that. Faith without works (and that doesn’t mean following rituals but helping others and being a decent human being) is meaningless and there is no hell since that would directly contradict the notion of an omnibenevolent god. And if they aren’t omnibenevolent and believe it is a good idea to send people to hell for all eternity for not following irrational believes that can never be falsified, they are not worthy of our worship. End of story. As a universalist I don’t get how people can believe in hell and still hold onto the notion of a benevolent god. Either that would mean they have more in common with a cosmic horror with blue and orange morality so strange that any form of worship would be meaningless since we can’t comprehend what they want anyway, or they would be simply evil in which case to hell with them, cowering before a tyrant goes against the core of my personality no matter how powerful the bully (and they would be one) is. So no. Christian belief outside of universalism doesn’t make any kind of sense to me.

and I encourage all Christians to be baptized if you have never done so; but it is not required, nor permitted, in God's plan of salvation.

Either he’s encouraging Christians to do something that he says is not permitted by God, or he doesn’t understand what the word “permitted” means.

“Salvation is obtained by faith alone, without works.”

Except for the other half of your sects that says it’s the other way round and as it so happens, your idiotic sacred texts support both opinions.

...and apparently you can self-declare to be 'Saved': and still think that it gives you carte blanche to commit sins. However, you should remember what a certain man said to a woman after he'd forgiven her; prior to that, he told others exactly like you Davey-boy - Pharasaical Hypocrites - that they had no right to think the way they did, thus they fucked off after being proved wrong by said man: ergo they were inferior to that woman they were being judgemental against for supposedly committing a 'Sin'. I forget now, Dave-o, please remind me: what did that man say to her...?!

That woman was saved by the works of said man.

So, David J. Pedo: I guess by your own logic that Jesus isn't a Christian - least of all 'Saved' - and is burning in Hell as we speak.

...oh wait, it's the other way round: as everyone else you've condemned - as you think you're God with your Judgementalism via your Hypocritical screeds - are Saved: which includes we Atheists, LGBT people & non-fundie Theists, you're on an express elevator to Hell: Going DOWN! [/"Aliens"]

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Matthew 7:1 says so: your 'God' agrees, don't bother him - and therefore those you condemn - about it.

@TheKingOfRhye #29215

Exactly what I was thinking. Says we should all do it, then says it’s not permitted. He’s lost, but I just laugh so I’m not confused.

I once got caught under a giant wave at the beach…does that count for anything? It involved copious amounts of water. Who are you to say it wasn’t the will of god to trap a teenage Crimson Ghost under a wave for a full 30 seconds?

Salvation by faith alone is nothing more than get out of jail free card to be an ass to everyone. It explains David's mean spirited behaviour. It probably helps with cognitive dissonance when people like him are immoral or support immoral leaders

@KZadBhat #29238

I was thinking maybe he meant another word, but I don’t even know what else would make sense in place of it in that sentence.

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David J. Stewart #fundie jesus-is-savior.com

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