Atheists follow a Satanic religion known as Veganism. Many have become deceived by this false religion (veganism), and have forsaken the religion of truth, Islam. Animals were not created to become our idols or gods, they were created to become our food source and slaves. Our Creator Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has specifically commanded in the Qur'an that a cow that does not produce milk must be slaughtered immediately to feed the poor and hungry. In fact, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala has commanded that animals must obey their human masters. It was recorded in Sahih Bukhari, a baby donkey had kicked it's own master, and as punishment, that donkey was thrown into the lion's den where it was eaten alive by hungry lions. It's soul was then cast into Jahanamm (Hell). Allah Aza Wa Jal created animals for our benefit, and refusing to eat that which Allah has provided is an act of direct disobedience. Vegetarians and Vegans are destined to burn in Jahannam (Hell) because their worship the devil Shaytaan by following his ideology. In Hell, Vegans and Vegatarians shall watch their own animals being tortured and killed by demons while they burn. Islam is very clear about sin. When a person commits a sin, he is placing his entire family at risk of Jahannam (Hell). Sin is a disease, and family members shall inherit the punishment.
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@ #2175237
"I'll think about an animal's feelings when they communicate them to me via language."
So any living being, no matter how sapient, that can't communicate via language is underserving of consideration and empathy? Is that seriously what you're saying?
And do I really need to type out a list of animal species that communicate with language?
Regards & all,
Thomas L. Nielsen
strawman : in the real world, most atheists are not vegans
Thanks for showing how out-of-reality, illogical, unfair, evil your religion is. Fortunately, most muslims don't follow it as seriously as you do.
No, we don't. I have Christian acquaintances who are vegans, and I and many other atheists are not vegans. I have a Muslim friend who's a vegetarian (not vegan).
Religion of truth, Islam? Animals were created to become food? Does that include pigs?
If the creator wants animals to obey humans, he/she/it must create animals that obey humans.
Seeing veganism as Satanism is a new one...
Honey, we atheists don't believe in Satan, or Shaytaan, either.
Gloating about other people's suffering is SOOO very godly, isn't it...?
So...what are pigs for?
Everyone has reasons for why they eat what they eat. People's reasoning for going vegan are wide and varied; because a lot of animal farming is cruel, because animal farming is bad for the environment, because they were raised vegan, because they just like the food.
I can, however, say that atheism is not a reason for veganism. What does it have to do with whether or not you believe in the existence of deities?
Atheists follow a Satanic religion known as Veganism
...you'll have to excuse me, Rejecting Reality And Substituting Your Own, but I'm busy being an Atheist while munching on Bacon sarnies.
Mmmmm, annihilating arguments has never been so yummy ! And as - according to your logic - I'm going to Paradise because I'm a Carnivore, where does that leave you & your religion...?!
You say that people must be Carnivores: I eat meat. Beef, Lamb, Chicken, Turkey in less than a fortnight: and Pork , therefore you don't have the right to so much as think of complaining about the latter: and fuck your 'Sharia ': it's still Meat .
I'm having my meaty cake: and as an Atheist I'm eating your 'Allah'. 'Isa said 'This is my body. This is my blood ', therefore so much for that which is Haram then.
If an important prophet in Islam says it's Halal to drink his blood: just ask Catholics & certain denominations of Protestants about Eucharist & Communion; and as Muslims, Jews & Christians are known as 'Children of the Book ', ergo...!
" Many have become deceived by this false religion (veganism), and have forsaken the religion of truth, Islam."
Many have been deceived by the false prophet, Mohammed, and have forsaken the truth, Christianity.
@Randomosaur
Hey, just because animals are "merely" sentient and not sapient like humans, doesn't mean they don't have emotions or feelings or even empathy. And any creature that can show empathy is deserving of recieving it as well. Hell, some animals have shown much more humane behavior than the average human. So fuck off, you asshole, with your "animals don't have feelings" bullshit.
Signed, an unrepentant carnivore.
#2175275
"Hey, just because animals are "merely" sentient and not sapient...."
Wikipedia defines sapience as "the ability of an organism or entity to act with judgment".
And quite a few animal species have demonstrated this ability (from memory: crows, parrots, octopuses, apes....).
So by that definition these animals are indeed sapient.
Not, I stress, that sapiens in my opinion is a prerequisite for being treated with respect.
Regards & all,
Thomas L. Nielsen
@Chloe
Sadly, yes....and they're behind ruining Tumblr.
They're literally banning ANYTHING that hints at nudity and sexuality.
If Tumblr were a woman: She would morph from a naked porn star doing porn stuff to an Afghani woman in a burkha under the Taliban.
At least DeviantART, while it certainly has restrictions and censorship, is mostly fine about nudity and erotica (as long as the art or photos don't show erections or hard-core stuff).
One can post sexy stuff as long as one follows those two rules and uses the restriction filters.
I eat veggies, don't you? Veggies themselves are not evil in any way (well, lima beans are pretty nasty) but by your philosophy god probably created tomatoes and cabbage and onions as well as animals. I like potatoes and carrots and broccoli with my pork chops, roast pork, pork sausage, sugar-cured ham, bacon...
@Bonobo
Not the same guy. More than one person hates vegans.
Steven Anderson may be a fundie asshole, but I agree with him (for completely secular reasons) that there is no such thing as "animal cruelty".
That shows how fucked up Islam and the false God Allah are. Us Christians understand that animals do not have original sin, so they do not go to hell. In fact, the current Pope declared that animals go to heaven.
Islam is the worst animal abusing religion. I’m not a vegan but I agree along with Western Society that when animals get slaughtered for meat, it should be done so in a humane way. But Muslims practice the barbaric Dhabihah ritual where “The name of God or "In the name of God" (Bismillah) must be called by the butcher upon slaughter of each halal animal separately, and it should consist of a swift, deep incision with a very sharp knife on the throat, cutting the wind pipe, jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact.”
The blood then drains while the animal dies in agony. Muslim immigration into Western Countries must be stopped to protect animal rights.
Mohammed adored cats. There's a story of a kitty that started napping on by his arm, on the flowing sleeve of his tunic. Mohammed had to get up but didn't want to disturb kitty in its beauty-sleeps....so he cut off the sleeve so kitty can be undisturbed....he loved kitties THAT much!
What do you make of THAT, Op, Randomosaur and Jacob Harrison?
@SpukiKitty
I wasn’t referring to pets. I was referring to how Muslims treat animals that are slaughtered for meat.
The fact that the false prophet Muhammad created a religion that tortures animals during the Dhabihah ritual and believes that a baby donkey went to hell, shows that he was an animal abuser in addition to being a terrorist, a women oppressor, and a pedophile.
@SpukiKitty
I refer you and everyone else on FSTDT to the screengrabs from the FSTDT Forums:
http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=139016&Page=11#2174353
http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=139016&Page=11#2175087
Jerkob's reduced to Attention Whoring after being permab& from the forums . Thus whatever it says - because it's a proven bigot: homophobe & anti-Semite, the reasons for it being permab& by Forums admin Sigmaleph - the only response to whatever the proven troll * says being just one word:
'Whatever. '
@#2175356
As the evidence here proves, more than just a mere 'Idiot'.
*- http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8133.0
@Nazi Jerkob
promotes right wing views just like I do here
Just like Turkish Jewish Nazi & Conservatroll/Chopurcockov.
http://forums.fstdt.net/index.php?topic=8143.0
Are you seriously going to ban every conservative Christian who comes here if they state their religious belief that having homosexual relations is sinful?
@Sigmaleph
Conservative Christians, especially conservative Christians who believe conversion therapy is a good idea, are not the intended audience of this forum . If the forum's rules alienate them, that's somewhere between "I couldn't care less" and "good, they are serving their purpose"
(Jacobv is still trying to argue this, btw. I'm just not approving his posts)
And since it's been banned from the Forums our latest Nazi (and it is: the above linked evidence - thus it being banned by Sigmaleph - proves that it is; it doesn't have the right to deny it) it's reduced to Trolling here, after being denied one avenue of Attention Whoring: promoting its right -wing views.
Skide or any other mod, perhaps it's time to follow Sigmaleph's example on the Forums and do the same as what was done to Pepe & Chopurcockov previously when they trolled via their 'promoting their right -wing views'.
As the above linked evidence proves Jerkob is a homophobe & an anti-Semite.
@randomoosaur. did you read the other comments about how some animals do communicate with language or are sapient based on that word's own definition?
valuing humans above animals and wanting to be cruel to them because of that are too different things.
@Anon-e-moose
A second point I’d like to make is that StellarisJunkie is an expert on how horrible Islam is because he’s an ex Muslim. If Islam is a religion of peace and is not a threat to Western Civilization, then how come a formed Muslim is saying otherwise.
And btw the term “Jewish Nazi” is an oxymoron.
Watch out or you'll end up becoming like sv3rige.
@Randomsaur
Since animals have no rights I hold that you in effect must argue that the LGBTQIA acronym should expand with the Z. It should be miserable that prejudices prevent zoophiles from expressing their sexuality with what are essentially posessions (in your view).
In all honesty though, I still feel bad for the idea that I'd probably have no trouble with fucking animals myself. And views like this seem to justify this way too easily.
@Jacob Harrison
If you read the book of Genesis it states quite clearly that man is made in God's image while all the other animals aren't. Man is thus free to do with them what he wants. Granted, people who fuck animals are put to death, but do you know in what other countries they put those to death who fuck animals? Yes, indeed, Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia. Christian countries such as the US just merely put you into prison.
In short, you have no claim to consider someone's lack of respect to animals as a reason to exclude them because by the same logic you'd have to exclude yourself.
@hydrolythe
It is true that the Bible says that man is made in God’s image and that man is to have dominion over animals but all that means is that humans are special and can use animals for food, clothing, and transportation. It does not condone animal cruelty. In fact the story of Balaam and his talking Donkey shows that the Bible is against animal cruelty.
Christians do not have rituals where animal’s throats are slit causing them to slowly bleed to death. So my point of Muslims being cruel to animals still stands.
@NonProphet
First of all, I am not Randomosaur. Second, Old Testamant Animal Sacrifice was different. The animal sacrifice done in the Old Testament was burnt offerings where the animals were slaughtered and then burnt which is not inhumane because the animal was already slaughtered. It did not go into specific detail on how exactly the animals were to be slaughtered.
Anyway Christians don’t do animal sacrifice today.
@Jacob Harrison
In Old Testament era Hebrew services, animals were slaughtered in the same fashion. The reason is it assures death through exsanguination, resulting in little or no blood left in the animal's circulatory system. It was done because of the proscription against consuming the blood of an animal. And in order to be Kosher, they still do . . . for the same reason. Remember that next time you eat a Hebrew National hot dog. Because ancient or modern, Jew or Muslim, and even a few Christian sects, follow the Old Testament dietary rules . . . or at least try to.
Fair point. But most Christians do not follow Old Testament dietary restrictions so they don’t do that ritual sacrifice today. While it was necessary back then, it is barbaric today because Jesus got rid of the dietary restrictions.
I don’t eat Kosher or Halal foods because of the animal cruelty. Because of the cruelty, some European Countries passed laws that the animals have to be stunned before the slaughter so that they are unconscious and don’t feel the pain. America should have the same laws about ritual sacrifice.
@NonProphet
Humans are animals, but only technically. Our sapience means we deserve rights, whereas animals don't.
If killing pest animals like possums, rats and feral cats in "cruel" ways was legal and socially accepted, it would allow people to vent anger in a satisfying way, and there'd be less murderers and serial killers.
@Randommosaur. you do know wanting to kill animals for no good reason is actually how serial killers start, right? your logic is completely ass backwards. even if you are not a complete sociopath, you need therapy to help you properly express empathy.
if I saw someone torturing an animal or trying to kill it just for fun like you are suggesting, I would be completely justified in killing that person to protect an innocent animal.
and again, did you see the comments explaining that lots of animals are, in fact sapient under the definition of "having the ability of judgement" and they do in fact have language? so, one of the ways you are fucked in the head is an inability to read.
Children mauled to death by a couple of bears for the crime of mocking Elisha's bald head.
The NSPCC would like a word with some... thing's 'God'.
But then, Nazi 'be-lie -ver': http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=137922 , Hitler-esque tyrannical 'God'.
Considering what (now proven via it's anti-Semitism) Nazi* Jerkob said in that linked thread, and it's later permab& from the Forums: coupled with it's later attempts to 'promote it's right-wing views' there: but prevented from doing so, no wonder admin Sigmaleph's response was something akin to 'Whatever'.
What it said about Randomosaur. I refer everyone to what it said in that linked thread.
A Sociopath. And Randomosaur.
...although the latter is just as bad.
*- http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=137922&Page=1#2148504
@Skide
@Jacob Harrison
It`s why I called you an off-brand nazi. My statemant stands
So a tyrannical Hitler-esque child-murdering 'God' worshipped by a sociopathic Nazi. Make of that what you will, o FSTDTers; also, the evidence in my previous post. Meanwhile - and proven by Sigmaleph: thus it's permab& from the Forums - said Nazi being an apologist for a tyrant: based on it's bigotry.
It's pathetic attempts to make us think otherwise.
Whatever.
@Randomoosaur. again, I just proved how wanting to torture animals leads to serial murder, despite what you said. and why do you keep avoiding responding to others correcting you that animals do have language and reasoning ability?
@Randomosaur
My empathy is reserved for those that I can identify or sympathize with.
Seriously? That's pretty much the very foundation of bigotry and racism and all the atrocities that come with it: "It's diferent than me/I don't understand it, therefore it doesn't deserve empathy or mercy". Look, I may not share the same beliefs and morality as most animals, thereby preventing me from identifying with them, but I certainly understand that they have feelings and can have empathy themselves, therefore they are equally deserving of it.
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