Joel Webbon declared that Christians will be shocked to find that Robert E. Lee and “Stonewall” Jackson are in Heaven, while civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. is in Hell. Webbon also claimed that “the abolitionists were not the good guys”

Webbon, who founded Right Response Ministries, made the remarks during an interview with Confederate apologist Jon Harris for Webbon’s YouTube show Theology Applied

During the show, titled “Slavery, Abolitionists, & The Civil War,” Webbon defended notorious slave owners like George Whitefield and Jonathan Edwards as “good, Christian men.” He also stated that “a lot of people are gonna be surprised” when they find themselves in Heaven with slave owners and Confederate generals

“Like I think a lot of people are gonna be surprised,” he said. “You know, when you get to Heaven and, you know, you’re spending eternity worshipping Christ next to ‘Stonewall’ Jackson and Robert E. Lee and Jonathan Edwards, you know, and, you know, George Whitefield, and Martin Luther King Jr.’s in Hell”

Jon Harris interrupted Webbon to add that “most of the abolitionists,” especially the “prominent ones,” are “not going to be in Heaven.” Harris explained that this is because they “denied things like the Trinity and the inspiration of scripture and that kind of thing.” Webbon agreed, saying the abolitionists “weren’t the good guys”