A Michigan Republican candidate for governor recently said that rape victims who become pregnant shouldn’t get abortions, according to a video of the comment that went viral Monday.
Garrett Soldano made the remark on the right-wing podcast “Face the Facts with April Moss,” and a liberal news site, Heartland Signal, tweeted a video of the conversation Monday.
Soldano, a chiropractor running in a crowded Michigan race, said that he wants to promote a culture that inspires pregnant women to have their babies and lets them know "how heroic they are and how unbelievable that they are, that God put them in this moment. And they don’t know that little baby inside them may be the next president, may be the next person that changes humanity.”
Soldano shared a story about how one of his mentors was adopted and learned that his birth mother had been raped by several men in a subway station.
“It kind of like tore out his heart when he found that out, but then he started to really appreciate and understand what his birth mother went through, that she had the courage to deliver him,” Soldano said, adding that his mentor went on to help thousands of people improve their lives.
“Soldano, a chiropractor running in a crowded Michigan race, said that he wants to promote a culture that inspires pregnant women to have their babies and lets them know "how heroic they are and how unbelievable that they are, that God put them in this moment.”
Man, i get bitchy when God sends 2 feet of snow on the weekend. And i have someone who plows my driveway!
I can’t IMAGINE being told that the skybeast chose me to get raped, get pregnant from the rape, and to bring this rape memorial to term. I don’t suppose Soldano wants the state to take over payments for prenatal care? Childbirth? Childcare?
I mean, if this is all a chance to be heroic, ‘Cuz God’ wouldn’t that be a chance for the taxpayers to be heroic, too?
And they don’t know that little baby inside them may be the next president, may be the next person that changes humanity.”
That’s not really an argument either for or against abortion, the way they put that. Just because “that little baby inside them” might become President and/or change humanity, they don’t say if it’s for better or worse…
…that little baby inside them may be the next president…
…They could become…
… Uh, you were saying?
I hate to admit it, but Adolf was ADORABLE as a baby and a “Kill Baby Hitler” time travel plot would be futile… unless the killer is an utter psychopath (another reason why such a plot would not work. You’re still killing an innocent little baby who, at that point, is harmless and sweet. You’d have to be as big a monster as the guy that baby became).
I've always felt that the most ethical way of using time travel to eliminate baby Hitler would be to kidnap him and try to raise him in a an environment where he did not have an opportunity to become a murderous dictator.
The biggest ethical problem though, IMO, isn't about killing a baby, it's the problem that comes from the massive alteration to history. By preventing the holocaust/WWII you save many lives, but you will also be erasing the existence of many people who would not have been born if those events never happened. A tricky moral dilemma that thankfully nobody actually has to deal with.
re: killing Hitler - if there were no moral issues involved with changing history for the better, a better option to try would be to find some way of keeping Woodrow Wilson from getting sick so he could have attended the Treaty of Versailles. It’s possible that would not have helped much, but if he had been able to convince the others, there would have been a post-WW2 style reconstruction after WW1 instead of the cruel mess we got. WW2 would not have happened and no one would need to be murdered for crimes they hadn’t committed yet.
Exactly. When it comes to bad people, it’s Nature & Nuture. Even if little Adolf had sociopathy or psychopathy in that noggin of his, some good, kind, nurturing parenting full of love and messages of kindness and equality would’ve made sure he turned out okay.
And I agree about the Alt-History thing. Someone else who was far more competent may have come around instead and the planet would be a big ball of Fascism.
Another thing; These horrors have also led to a better world. Often, great evil is the catalyst for great good…
* If the Shoah never happened, we would be less horrified by genocide nor would be see stuff like eugenics as stupid and evil.
* If the U.S. military didn’t nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we would have never seen the true horror of what a nuke could do and “M.A.D.” wouldn’t be around preventing a full nuclear war from happening.
* If Emmett Till wasn’t brutally murdered and his gruesome - looking corpse put on full - display in and open casket for the world to see and the Civil Rights Movement would have been a lot more sluggish.
* Like Till, if Matthew Shepard wasn’t murdered, the LGBTQ movement would’ve been slow as well.
* The mass - shootings at Dunblane and Port Arthur brought stronger gun regulations to the UK and the “Down Under” countries (‘Oz’ & NZ), respectively. If it wasn’t for the N.R.A., the same would be true in the States (however the change is still there, in the populace).
* If THE BLACK DEATH hadn’t happened, certain good things may never have occurred on a larger scale!
… Thus, killing a sweet, innocent, harmless, beautiful little baby who’ll grow up to be a monstrous, genocidal tyrant is not only cruel, but also detrimental to Progress in the long run.
You don’t know the others? The answers are in the adult photos!
But if you don’t recognize the first three guys, they are (in descending order) …
* Ted Bundy, a very famous American serial killer who was recently played by actor Zac Effron in a recent biopic about him. He’s famous for murdering a bunch of women and girls. He was a failed law student and even acted as his own lawyer at his trial. Ted was executed by electric chair.
* Richard Ramirez, another big name in serial killer-dom. He was known as “The Night Stalker” (although there was also an earlier serial killer who also went by that moniker in the 1970s) who, in 1985, terrorized Southern California with an indiscriminate string of Murder / Rape / Robberies in people’s homes. He was a Satanist who worshiped the Devil in his Christian / Lord of Evil aspect (as opposed to what Luciferians, LaVeyians, Setians or Dark NeoPagan - type Theistic Satanists are into). Ramirez languished on Death Row until he succumbed to liver failure.
* Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City Bomber. A bigoted, wingnut veteran of the Gulf War who was responsible for the 1995 destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Until the Sept. 11 attacks, this bombing was the worst act of terrorism in U.S. history! 168 people died, many of them children in the building’s daycare center. He was executed by Lethal Injection.
… There ya go.
It is true that good can come from evil. Though evil can also come from good. I don't know whether we are on a path towards a better future or a worse one, but I wish that path didn't have to be paved with sorrow. I want to believe in a better future, because the present really kinda sucks.
The biggest ethical problem though, IMO, isn't about killing a baby, it's the problem that comes from the massive alteration to history.
I couldn’t agree more. The butterfly effect alone states that even the smallest, most well-intentioned change in history could have unimaginable repercussions. Who knows? Maybe by preventing WW2 we not only deny billions of people (so far) the right to be born yet, but we might cause an even worse timeline to occur somehow.
Either that, or history ends up the same way with just a few minor changes, making our efforts pointless. Thing is, we cannot know. But I’m pretty sure time travel will rarely end up right.
Maybe by preventing WW2 we not only deny billions of people (so far) the right to be born yet, but we might cause an even worse timeline to occur somehow.
Or maybe by preventing the Titanic disaster, we cause someone other than JFK to be elected US president in 1960. This non-JFK president’s reaction to the Cuban Missile Crisis triggers WW3, which goes nuclear with billions of deaths.
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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