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@Malingspann #110994
It’s in trans activists interests to conflate gender with sex.
Errr whaaat. Assuming there’s not a typo in there somewhere, or that they don’t understand what “conflate” means, I’m not sure I want to know how that makes any sort of sense. TERF philosophies which are derived from actual feminism are all about gender being a social construct, they just think that the social construct is entirely imposed from the outside. The ones which are feminism-appropriating reactionaries conflate gender with sex. I’m currently not aware of any variety which thinks that other people subscribe to both concepts simultaneously and also both are bad.
@Malingspann #110994
It’s a bit more complicated than that, as there are also a few types of “theys” and occasional other things, and also gender affects how you relate to things socially. But essentially.
That's why they NEVER or hardly answer the simple questions of
A difficult question, but not an unanswered one. I've read many attempts to explain the concept that make sense. Perhaps you just ignore anybody who's definition of gender isn't the exact narrow definition you prefer, which you use to delegitimize trans experiences.
- How do you "feel like a man"? How do you "feel like a woman?"
I feel like a woman the same way any other woman feels like a woman.
@Vocheka2 #111031
Most agender people, and some non-binary people, are indifferent to what anatomy they have. (Not always; there exist a small number of agender people who prefer entirely de-sexed forms, and some non-binary people who prefer androgynous or “exotic” physical forms, though it’s not necessarily a strong preference.) While it’s really hard to test because it’s not like people can just transition willy-nilly, nor would indifferent people be very inclined to experiment with it if they could, at present it seems likely that such people genuinely wouldn’t experience any form of dysphoria if they changed things around.
It’s also entirely valid to identify with the gender typically associated with one’s anatomical sex for reasons of convenience if one genuinely doesn’t care how other people identify/refer to them. It’s also valid to say “I don’t know what I am, and I don’t care enough to figure out, I just identify as a person”… though that’s going to seem really weird to people for whom gender (or lack thereof) matters, and occasionally people who should know better might get stupid about it. Either way, people shouldn’t be forced into an identity they don’t care for/about; that’s just as bad as gender essentialism.
Of course, while there could very easily be TERFs who are anatomy-indifferent and really don’t get the concept of being anatomy-attached (for lack of better term), I suspect that it’s still more common that they’re just cis and not self-aware enough to express their gender beyond superficialities like “I have a thing that bleeds”. As long as it’s considered the default, cis people rarely need to be self-aware about their own gender, after all.
@Conscience #111038
I don’t necessarily agree with the “right-wing” part. While sometimes true, there definitely also are TERFs who are left-wing — in fact, that seems to be more common than the former from what I’ve seen.the TERF leader here; at most, she gave slight potential TERFy vibes based on the way she argued on other topics.
Bigotry is not solely the domain of right-wingers and of fascists, and one doesn’t need to be those in order to be a massive bigoted asshole — including a TERF.
@Vocheka2 #111071
From the gender wiki (“neutrois” is generally considered a sub-category of agender, though there are also those who consider it to be a separate thing): “Neutrois people may experience dysphoria and wish to transition. Often, Neutrois people prefer their gender expression to be gender neutral or androgynous, though this may vary from person to person. Some Neutrois people wish to medically transition to remove all sex characteristics” https://gender.fandom.com/wiki/Neutrois So… yeah.
That doesn’t necessarily mean entirely without erogenous zones, though. I have a few extra which aren’t located in the usual places (my wrists, the base of my spine…) and so do a lot of other people. Still, this sort of thing isn’t typical even for agender people.
@Spacewyrm #111125
If it had been thing when I was young, I'd probably have gone with they, but identifying by my phenotype was just easier.
I'll admit I've answered to sir as well as ma'am, short, short hair and a heavy shirt apparently made my presentation ambiguous.
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