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After WW I, many German veterans got together to form Freikorps, to look after their interests. These groups were instrumental in crushing the Left in the streets later. US vets should do the same. Between Clinton and O'bwana, the highest levels of the US military are already lost.

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old comment by Anon-e-moose

(emph-ass-is added):

"After WW I, many German veterans got together to form Freikorps, to look after their interests. These groups were instrumental in crushing the Left in the streets later. US vets should do the same. Between Clinton and O'bwana, the highest levels of the US military are already lost."

In an episode of the travelogue series "Billy Connolly's Route 66" (about this legendary road's direct & indirect influence on American modern history & culture, as he travels such on a custom Harley-Davidson three-wheeler), whilst in Kansas*, the 'Big Yin' stops off at a 'Yard Sale' (UK: 'Car Boot Sale'), to see what there is on offer. One family has chickens for sale, another has general bric-a-brac. He then approaches one man who has a Nazi banner - Swastika & all - and a Wehrmacht ceremonial dagger for sale, amongst other WWII memorabilia. He's eager to detail where it came from, who previously owned it, almost as if he's proud of it.

Yet, when Billy asked about a certain item in a display case, and for the camera crew to focus in on such, the man starts to get all antsy about it, being very evasive and all, covering it up; even saying 'Oh, I dunno if you folks over in England would like this!', yet Billy insists on seeing it. What was it?

A stack of bumper stickers with the slogan 'Obama Sucks':

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'There's something about a Swastika, that just stops me in my tracks. That's the second one I've seen in a few weeks. I saw one in Scotland. And it... it does something deep inside me; it scares the bejesus out of me. I get unsettled.'

-Billy Connolly, "Billy Connolly's Route 66"

A couple of my friends - who have been to the US - who are interested in WWII, and collect related memorabilia, say that there's hardly any Japanese military stuff generally available there (and even then, it usually has to be ordered from outside the US by dealers/collectors etc). Seems to be a very long collective memory the US has, re. a certain 'Date That Will Live In Infamy', and that's understandable (there's also the little matter of what happened to Japanese-Americans around that time). We in the UK have an extremely long collective memory about what another part of the Axis did to my country before then, Jerk-o-shite.

I wonder what would have happened if, say, instead of the Japanese doing what they did, the Kriegsmarine had attacked New York...?!

*- PROTIP: Fred Phelps & his WBC are from Kansas. Nothing more needs to be said.

old comment by Doubting Thomas

So you're saying that we should create a new Nazi party?

I often wonder if these people actually listen to themselves or if they're so radically rabid about hating people that they actually want to be fascists.

@Anon-e-moose
In an episode of the travelogue series "Billy Connolly's Route 66" ... whilst in Kansas*, the 'Big Yin' stops off at a 'Yard Sale' to see what there is on offer. One family has chickens for sale, another has general bric-a-brac. He then approaches one man who has a Nazi banner - Swastika & all - and a Wehrmacht ceremonial dagger for sale,
A stack of bumper stickers with the slogan 'Obama Sucks':

Seeing as how Route 66 cuts through the very extreme southeast part of the state, I have a pretty good idea where this took place. It's in Cherokee County, which even those of us in southeast Kansas make fun of for being inbred and backwards. I'd be surprised if there wasn't someone selling "Obama Sucks" bumper stickers somewhere.

*- PROTIP: Fred Phelps & his WBC are from Kansas. Nothing more needs to be said.

Now now, don't paint us all with the same broad brush. It's the couple million bad apples who spoil it for the other 11.

old comment by BrianX

UHM:

I don't think there's any dispute that the Germans going after the Soviets was possibly the biggest strategic fuckup in history. But the Germans had virtually no saltwater amphibious capability and their landing force (mostly river barges) would have been sunk if there was even a slight storm. The Kriegsmarine brass hated Operation Sealion from the beginning and most wanted nothing to do with it.

The wargame I mentioned happened at Sandhurst in the 1970s. The end result had the Germans not getting much past the town limits of a couple of port cities and getting stopped and driven back long before they got anywhere near London, and that was assuming the Royal Navy wasn't anywhere nearby. (And don't forget Germany's intel assets in the UK were entirely controlled by MI6, and the Abwehr was essentially working against Hitler for the entire time, at least until Admiral Canaris got caught and executed.) The purpose of the Blitz seems to have been largely to try to get the UK to sign a peace treaty through attrition alone, and it didn't work at all.

In light of all that, yes, Hitler wanted to bomb Manhattan; we've seen the maps. But it would have had to be conventional, since the German atomic bomb project was a failure, and it would have required air superiority over most of the Atlantic Theatre, which the Germans were never even close to. (Again, the Japanese were far more dangerous in that regard as well, but getting a carrier group around Tierra del Fuego would have been a suicide run.) If Hitler hadn't double-crossed Stalin and stayed with what he already had, he actually could have won the war, but someone who wasn't a deranged megalomaniac wouldn't have started WWII in the first place.

Oh, and I'm not British, but even today, the Brits are one of the few countries with a full-scale blue water navy. They are no one you'd want to be messing with, now or 70 years ago.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

@BrianX

It wouldn't have been beyond their ken to have done so:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_U-boat

Indeed, I remember - as a callow youth - reading a Fleetway 'War Picture Library' war comic (many of which were based on actual events in WWII) written by an army intelligence operative who had gone through captured Wehrmacht plans etc (post-WWII), about one potential scenario: U-Boats refitted with launch rails for V-1 flying bombs, and using such on New York.

Indeed, a sort of 'What If...?', a la the film "The Final Countdown", but without the time travel aspects (although a fun scenario in, say, a 'Commando' war comic: a squadron of RAF Harriers, Tornadoes & Eurofighter Typhoons [along with tanker planes & Sentry AWACS craft] on NATO manoeuvres in the 21st Century suddenly getting caught up in an electrical storm, then when it clears, finding themselves back in British airspace - in WWII).

old comment by BrianX

Anon-e-moose:

Well, keep in mind that despite what i said above about their inability to do much more than beat up shipping lanes, the Kriegsmarine was still the only part of the German military that actually had a clue how to fight a real opponent, which is probably why Karl Dönitz was the last man standing when Berlin finally fell. But even then, the collapse of German intelligence makes a lot of what-ifs rather moot, because there's little or no chance of them ever having happened.

Basically, the Germans had a lot of ideas, but the land-based V2 and the early jet-powered Messerschmidt planes were about as far as any of them got. After all is said and done, Hitler's best bet was their chemical weapons and nuclear bomb programs. They never used the chemical weapons because they figured whatever they had, the Allies probably had better (we didn't, but it didn't hurt that the Germans thought we did), and the nuclear bomb project didn't get nearly enough funding or the right kind of expertise, and Werner Heisenberg's loyalty to the Nazi government has never been considered particularly solid. What-if games are fun, but the only way Germany could have won the war is if the Allies had gotten extremely unlucky.

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