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Péter Szijjártó & Zbigniew Rau #wingnut politico.eu

Poland, Hungary to set up rule of law institute to counter Brussels

The two countries say they want to ensure they’re not treated unfairly under Brussels’ ‘double standards.’

Poland and Hungary plan to create a new institute to assess how the rule of law is being upheld across the EU, arguing they need to ensure their countries are not treated unfairly under what they describe as Brussels' "double standards."

Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó at a joint press conference with his Polish counterpart Zbigniew Rau on Monday said "the aim of this institute of comparative law would be that we should not be taken for fools," according to national media. Szijjártó added he had “had enough of some Western European politicians using us as a punchbag."

"When Poland or Hungary have been attacked over the rule of law so far, those attacks had nothing to do with the rule of law. They were used as a mere means of extortion," Szijjártó said, adding that he does not think the EU's forthcoming report on the state of the rule of law will be "fact-based."

Naming one example of what he described as Brussels' double standards, Szijjártó said Poland was criticized for transforming its judicial system although Spain has "exactly the same" regulation.

"If something is good in Spain, then why is it bad in Poland?" he asked.

Steuersklav Erei #fundie politico.eu

The UK is already a member of the WTO, a founder member no less (as are at least all EU15 member states). An WTO member’s tariff schedules are its own concern, unless another WTO can successfully challenge that those tariffs are discriminatory. The WTO tariffs published by the U.K. government are either the same as those as the EU (i.e. very high in the case of beef and dairy imports) or lower (0% for car parts, for example, but the EU rate of 10% for finished car imports).

It’s not clear exactly why a WTO member should wish to challenge the UK’s tariff schedule, not least because it is politically obvious that the UK is on a mission to reduce its tariffs via free trade deals with other WTO members. The WTO combats protectionism, not free trade.

As for your comment about the Irish border, the provisional plan laid out by the UK government is to Northern Ireland into a giant free trade port for the time being, which is something which has several precedents around the world (e.g. Shenzhen). This may well be challenged by another WTO grouping (i.e. the EU), but there are two safeguards for the UK. First of all WTO rules permit local tariff exemptions on national security grounds (and EU propaganda over the past 2 years has done its best to depict Ireland as a war zone about to erupt). Second of all, the UK is co-signatory to a bilateral international Treaty (the 1998 Good Friday Agreement), the spirit of which safeguards an invisible border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. International Treaties have the same weight as international trade laws, which means there would be 10 fruitful years of work for international lawyers to rule whether the GFA or WTO rules take precedence. By the time they rule in 2030 the Republic of Ireland will have been ejected from the EU anyway.

“The UK is already a member of the WTO”
If you read the list of countries _not_ being a member of the WTO, you’ll notice that I did _not_ list the UK. The UK is a member of the WTO but it does not have a WTO schedule.

The idea of NI as a separate WTO geographical area was floated by the EU while there was debate about a border in the Irish Sea. As you yourself mention, there is ample precedent for this solution, e.g. Hong Kong.

Whether the UK can uphold a national security claim exemption is far from certain. So far only one country has successfully argued a national security case. Ukraine vs. Russia, where the WTO sided with Russia.

The US rejected the UK proposed schedule on the same grounds as Argentina did, they wanted easier access for their beef exports. Do you think they’ll just give up the advantage of the lack of an approved schedule grants them?

As you state, it will take years for the legal wheels to turn, there can, however, be very little doubt that the ruling will not be in favor of the UK.

Is that the kind of behavior we can expect for the UK from now on? Flaunting of international laws and treaties because by the time the judges rule the ruling will be irrelevant?

God riddance, buccaneers and pirates of the worst kind.

It’s probably pointless debating with emotional and Hans Christian Anderson-like Anglophobes like you, but here goes. The UK has published its tariff schedule, and the USA and Argentina are free to dispute these at leisure. By the time their WTO lawyers report back the UK will have secured free trade deals with both those countries anyway (call free trade ‘piracy’ if that makes you feel warm inside).

As for the Irish border, there will be a solution. The EU will enforce a surveillance regime close to Republic’s border with Northern Ireland, at ports and airports in the Republic of Ireland, and at ports of entry in the EU26 if necessary. In other words, the EU will cut the Republic of Ireland out of the EU. It’s your arrogant gamble that backfired, so enjoy,

I see you have both wet imperialistic dreams and the capability of building straw man arguments.

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man.”

My piracy argument was based on you proposing to knowingly violate international treaties simply because the legal wheels turn slowly. The stuff about free trade is a straw man, and what is worst, you know it.

Your FTA’s with the US and Mercosur (or Argentina specifically) is pie in the sky dreams. You cannot at this stage know what is possible and what isn’t.

Even TM, BJ, JRM et. al. have conceded that as of today the technology for safekeeping a border simply isn’t there. Do you by chance have some wonder technology nobody else has heard of or is it simply you failing to realize the obvious?

As for the UK forcing Ireland to leave the EU and signing up as a vassal state of the UK. Good luck with that. The best I can describe that as the UK trying to build the Empire v2.0

The EU, not the UK, will force the Republic of Ireland out of the EU. The USA and Argentina will want free trade deals with the UK because of its huge foodstuffs market. And using WTO trade articles in order to safeguard the spirit of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement is not violating international Treaties (I’ll let the EU do that).

Shall we leave things at that? You are very boring.

Capt Europe #fundie politico.eu

Top trolling by this person i’d never heard of before but will now follow with interest

Anyone know anything about Russian Chinese relations in the years following the Soviet Sino war?

Russia’s entire history is one of bring invaded from Genghis Khan to the 3rd Reich.

At the moment the 4th EU Reich is on the borders of Russia when I do believe the Ukraine is meant to be a buffer ground to make Russia feel safe, but who cares about international treaties

Most worrying thing I’ve seen in my life time was a couple of years ago when i saw Gernan tanks labelled with the iron Cross on trains heading towards the Ukraine.

It’s almost as if the 4th Reich wants to start a war with Russia

Where you on the ground in Ukraine on a field mission where you observed those terrifying tanks?

Hi X KM

It’s no laughing matter, you deluded little Europeaners are very dangerous people and you’re going to start a war.

Just look at your allies, Iran and China.

Actually Capn’ it looks like the EU are going to stay out of a war. Or maybe two. Three if Trump goes after China, Iran and Venezuela. But if you want to play Robin to Trump’s Batman then have fun. We will watch your future career with great interest.

Hi Peter Monta

We in the West look at the speeches made in the EU Parliament by Junker Verhofstadt and Mama Merkel and we see the speeches of tyrants.

The West has failed in its duty to maintain Western Values in European nations much to our shame and European powers are now doing what they do best, starting wars

Capt Europe #fundie politico.eu

[This person is a prolific anti-EU troll at Politico]

There are 2 types of people in Britain.

1. Those that believe in Trade deals.

2. Those that believe in democracy

I hope those that believe in Trade deals have the courage of their convictions and are willing to give their lives for what they believe in because I believe in democracy, and I’m quite prepared to commit the ultimate sin for what I believe in

Blue Bell #fundie politico.eu

“It is our aim to protect European economic operators engaged in legitimate business with Iran,” they said.”

Money, money, money is all that matters to the EU institution. Where is the consideration of the longer term consequences of their actions.

At some point it is going to be necessary to take action against this proliferation of dictatorial regimes. Better it is done as quickly as possible rather than delay and face far worse consequences.

“Several senior EU ministers assured Zarif of their support for Tehran over the phone. “Mogherini and the European ministers … reiterated their commitment to the 2015 Iran nuclear deal and emphasized the efforts to maintain financial channels with Tehran and the continuation of Iran’s oil and gas exports,” IRNA reported.”

With the lack of appreciation on display by Europe of the peace kept by the US over many decades the ingrates are now siding with dictatorial regimes against the US. To say that Europe is short sighted is too kindly an explanation – Its motivation is shown in the unedifying display of them constantly falling over themselves after money, money, money to the exclusion of other considerations. It is shameful.

“All that glisters is not gold;
Often have you heard that told.
Many a man his life hath sold
But my outside to behold.
Gilded tombs do worms enfold.”

I would bid ‘a gentle riddance’ of those who reiterated their commitment to the deal.

DJT’s administration has in fact been clear that the sanctions on Iran should not harm the civilian population i.e. that funds would be available to be spent on food and medicines thereby protecting the civilian population.

The Iranian regime has not been spending the funds from oil and its banking sector on the civilian population but on their military ambitions.

With the sanctions clampdown, Trump is seeking to push Iran to end uranium enrichment outright, and halt its ballistic missile development and its support for proxy forces in Yemen, Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere in the Middle East. They are a destabilising influence in the region – civilians in the region are suffering from their activities. In Yemen children are starving to death and in other areas they are subjected to sights and experiences no child should ever suffer.

Europe WAKE UP to what these people are doing in your name!