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shinbits #fundie christianforums.com

Consequences of Evolution

1) Belief that that God doesn't exist, and that there are not consequences for one's actions as long as they are not caught by men.

2) Deletion of conscience because of the belief that there is no moral absolute. Those with the power to do so will do whatever ever they want, whether it's rape, pilage or murder without moral conviction, because there is no moral authority.

3) Hitler was an evolutionist.


I can really go on forever, but I'll leave some of the fun to the you. What other consequences will belief that all things are one rediculously freak series of coincidences lead to?

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Your cartoon is typical evolutionist propaganda. Drug resistant bacteria has always been around. It existed long before the drugs were developed. Your mutation theory makes about as much sense as a can of worms.

whitedove7 #fundie christianforums.com

Autism is from Spirits of: generational ungodly order in the home (dominant females and passive males); dumb and deaf spirits out of occultism; inherited bitterness, anger, rage, and resentment; self-bitterness, self-hatred, self-rejection, and guilt.

lily00 #fundie christianforums.com

Evolution as monkey into man, stuff like that, I just can't believe that. The Bible is the breath of God and that is what I believe. No matter what proof you show me, it just wouldn't be made real in my life.Without God, you will perish whether you believe in evolution or not!!!!!!!!!!!

krimsondraegon #fundie christianforums.com

['We teach children to think in a rational, and logical manner. How can we expec tthem to understand something as irrational as God?']

1) If they can't understand the idea of anything irrational, such as God, then why teach them imaginary numbers, and fractions? Those things are not logical.

2) You never deny God. You simply say that you can't teach them about God because you cannot expect them to understand Him.

Number two makes two more points:

1) You either believe in God, or you chose a poor choice of words.

2) It is illogical that you would hold the truth because you think they cannot grasp an illogical idea such as God.

Anyway they choose to move from there pretty much makes their arguement invaild. I like working people into a corner.

CHECKMATE!

Cooter #fundie christianforums.com

We can't pray in our schools, disturbing nobody, and yet Oregon just passed a law that allows people to actually have sex and masturbate on stage in strip clubs. Actually having sex!!! They said this is "protected free speech" and an "expression of an opinion." Give me a break.

Croc #fundie christianforums.com

WHen Jesus saw someone sinning he told them that they were wrong to do that. Liberals love to throw that in our faces about how Jesus was so tolerant but thats a lie. Jesus forgave people who asked to be forgiven but he never said anything other than pure obeisance to Gods will was OK. What would Jesus do if he saw some homosexuals? he would tell them straight up they were damning themselves to Hell. Then if they repented hed forgive them and if they didnt hed be sad that they were going to Hell but hed still send them there. Read through the Gospels and youll see dozens of examples that every time Jesus saw people doing wrong he didn't keep his mouth shut and tolerate it but spoke right out against it.

lookoutman7 #fundie christianforums.com

Sasquatch - Could it be spiritual deception?


In 1974 & 1985 - we encountered the creature in the Princeton, B.C. area.
During the 74 sighting, I actually stood in the prints of something that was
left in a fine filtering of snow. Each encounter, there was one other witness.

My serious question is - can Satan have played this game (sasquatch) all
these years, this just another example of deception on his part? It would have
to be large in scale, as the devil can not procreate...but he can manipulate.

There are many unanswered questions in the phenomenon, and I'm applying
for knowledge to what is possible to this. Jesus was whisked away and
tempted, Job was taunted, and it is possible for Lucifer to disguise himself as
an angel of light. You can also entertain strangers.

This is a very touchy subject. Could man be fooled in such a large way?

WarriorAngel #fundie christianforums.com

One other thing...I dont hate atheists, I pity them.
When I ponder eternal suffering and fire that does not stop burning, I pity them that they choose that.

I would hope you seek grace to understand that God exists. Just so you know though, it is not my problem. Just giving you some info, and saying Hi.

clirus #fundie #kinkshaming #forced-birth #homophobia christianforums.com

Democrats - Soft on Security

The Patriot Act fiasco again points out the fact that democrats are still soft on security. Being soft of security is what lead to the 9/11 attack that killed 3000 Americans in American cities. The democrats like to say they are protecting civil liberties. That is equivalent to their statements that pornography is freedom of speech, abortion is a woman's choice, and homosexuality is a civil right. It is no wonder Clinton knew he could get away with the big lie that, I did not have sex with that woman.

The fear of criticism by the Atheistic liberal news media is what keep Clinton from taking on Iraq and Afghanistan. Why should Republicans take the blame for solving problems and the democrats set around looking like peace lovers. It is ironic that people who solve problems are criticized and people who do nothing are praised. Of course the doing nothing catches up with you, as it did with 9/11.

The Middle East problem is not going to be solved until Syria and Iran are dealt with. If it is done by Republicans, it should be done with a full declaration of war that carries with it a total censorship of the news media. It is unlikely Republican will deal with the Syria and Iran issue because of the pain inflicted by the Atheistic liberal news media, and certainly the democrats are not going to do anything because they are soft on security.

I guess it is time to start preparing for the next Middle East war.

The list of things the democrats never got done is long. They never had an energy policy. They never had an education policy. They never had a medical insurance policy. They never had an immigration policy. They never had a solution for social security. The foreign policy of the democrats was an policy of appeasement that led to 9/11, the North Korea mess, and the failure to resolve the Israeli - Palestine problem. The only policies democrats do have are socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion and homosexuality, none of which should be supported by Christians.

Democrats are soft on security, but strong on sin.

During democratic administrations problems develop and there is little criticism. During Republican administrations problems are solved but there is great criticism. It is a wonder the Atheistic liberal news media has not questioned the legality of President Bush breathing. The Atheists who question the legality of everything President Bush does are the one who most often violate God's law. I wonder what would occur if there was a fair and balanced news media instead of the Atheistic liberal news media.

It is pitiful that America does have the stomach for the urban gorilla wars such as Iraq, because that is the model for all future wars. If Iran gets a nuclear device, it might be different, but generally the nature of war will be house to house and roadside bombs. You will know the war has been won when the people are providing tips on the enemy. I totally blame the inability to fight a urban gorilla war on the democrats and the Atheistic liberal news media.

SamCJ #fundie christianforums.com

The No-Goders adopt their religious belief on blind faith.

The No-Goders recognize their economic dependence on the public dole.

The No-God/Evolutionists recognize the inability of their faith to produce economic benefits to anyone but themselves as its preachers.

The No-God/Evolution religion must be forced out of public schools as a violation of the 1st Amendment.

For more evidence on this subject, see Edmond's latest OP

(This might be a little tongue in cheek, but no objective observer could spend much time on this site without coming to the conclusion that Edmond and I have; namely, that there is a religious zealotry behind the athiests' efforts to bury any opposing views as an attack on their faith in no God.)

SamCJ #fundie christianforums.com

[Commenting on Bush's conservative Christian district court judge appointee, John E. Jones, who ruled against teaching Intelligent Design in the Dover trival]

I think Jones is an athiest trying to protect his religious beliefs like the rest of you guys.

john crawford #fundie christianforums.com

Yes, get rid of all those Homo erectus fossils. Burn 'em or something. Re-bury them! Cremate them! After all, they are just the dusty remains of some poor neo-Darwinst 'species' in Asia that was originally obliterated when superior Homo sapiens marched out of Africa and replaced those old erect Homos by driving them into mass graves and final extinction. The modern Out of Africa Model is the perfect solution for getting rid of a whole species of humans even if they do leave some fossil evidence of their 1.5 million year existance on the planet before those sapiens got invented.

john crawford #fundie christianforums.com

Better to destroy evidence which supports a genocidal theory of mass extinction and replacement of the world's population by an African species of Homo sapiens who would one day rule the world of science in the name of neo-Darwinism, than to have imagined and theorized such a spectre of human annhilation in the first place. If I could just get my hands on some of those pesky Homo erectus fossils, I'd rattle their bones good.

defensor fidei #racist christianforums.com

What is wrong with saying that "Israel needs to be 'wiped off the map?'" He feels that is the will of his "Allah" and in the interests of Iran, but it would also do a lot of good for the peace of the world. I only pray he does not back down under international Zionist pressure.

Keith Van Horn #fundie christianforums.com

The last thing Christians need is to be thrown into pagan beliefs. There is only one true religion and that is chrisitanity. Yes there are alot of different beliefs within Christiananity, but with Gods help those will come to an end. Then the christians, all being of one mind can go out to the rest of the world and destroy religion and traditions of man.

HeadBangforJesus #fundie christianforums.com

I would have a problem voting for any one who is not a Christian, regardless of the political party. I also consider a vote for a Democrat to be a vote against God. Democrats are the ones who want to take God out of everything. I am not saying all Republicans believe in God, but they are not trying to get Him out of America either.

Jesus_fan #fundie christianforums.com

be careful what you listen to...


i was watching gloria copeland a few nights ago and she was saying that what you set before your eyes and listen to with your ears reflects whats in your heart and vice versa. i mean what you watch affects your heart.

so likewise, listen to godly music, or at least...if you know its wrong..dont listen!

it could affect your relationship with god as it affects your heart or even your blessings from him.

john crawford #fundie christianforums.com

I'd like to point out that neo-Darwinist "scientists" who evolved from monkey and ape ancestors in Africa aren't properly qualified to judge the American people, especially Jewish, Christian and Islamic people who are descended from Abraham's ancestor, Noah.

strikerchris0411 #fundie christianforums.com

How can you believe in no god if there is proof of some spirit out there.

The reason is there is wege [Ouija] boards. I don't know if i spelled it right, but i think yall know what i am talking about. Idk if you guys believe in those. but I have heard some pretty convincing stories. IF there was no God then there would probaly not be life after death

Quasicentennial #fundie christianforums.com

"Seeing is believing". Someone has to capture the moment a living thing transforms itself into a completely new lifeform. A caterpillar can transform itself into a butterfly. But this animal does this regularly for every new-born member. Evidence from dead things can only be guessed at. Evolution is a guessing game for 'biodetectives'. If man did evolve from the ape, then every new-born ape would transform into a man. It would be metamorphosis but not evolution.

sallystrothers #fundie christianforums.com

disturbing vision I had last night about porn!!


Guys,

Last night I had a terrible dream/vision of what porn really is. It was very disturbing indeed. With God's grace I have abstained from porn for over 3 months now, and I thank Him every day for it.

I went to sleep at 3:30 am this morning and had a dream. In the dream I was on a computer and was surfing a porn website. I was searching through all the movies looking for one specific one I wanted. I would download one, fast forward through it to see if it was the one I wanted, then move on to the next.

I don't remember exactly what I was looking for, but I came across one that wasn't like the rest. It started out like a normal porn, then it began to shine of evil. The porn actors began to speak to me in the movie. They began to speak profanities and curses to me.

The evil escalated and immediately the porn movie turned into the most vile brew you could ever imagine. It was like flashes of demonic and disfigured creatures, if you took the scariest part of every scary movie ever made you might come close to what I saw.

I shut my eyes because this was not made for anyone to see, AND THE EVIL BURNED THROUGH MY ELELIDS. It was horrible, I couldn't do anything to stop from seeing the evil.

Then something truely strange happened. What was still a movie on my computer jumped out of the screen into my room. I could sense it's malice... it's intent was to destroy me. I began to cry out Jesus' name in desperation. I cried out over and over again.

As soon as I did this the evil lifted me up and shook me with incredible unseen force. It was like the force of riding a rollercoaster, so strong my eyes were too heavy even to control. I cried out for Jesus louder and louder and I was slammed down to the ground and left in a very weakened state.

I woke up at this point and it was 4:44 am. Bros this was more then a dream. I can tell the difference between nonsense dreams and dreams with meaning. This was reality. The grip of sin that lays in porn is STRONG. Don't allow it to overcome you.

I couldn't sleep for hours after this. I solemly cried until 6:00 am tears of joy that Jesus was there to protect me.

Don't fool yourselves. Satan DOES have power over this world. Many Christians discount Satan's power and it is a great mistake. Satan has power, but remember we are in this world but not of this world; greater is He who is within then he who is in the world.

Porn is a luxury no one can afford in this dying world.

JIGROP #fundie christianforums.com

Demons Deceive

A systematic effort by demons to penetrate the souls of Americans stems most likely from the pit of Hell, the head of a leading Christian institute said. The attacks have been traced to Satan in the state of California, and the techniques used make it appear unlikely to come from any other source than the enemies of Christ, said John Smith, the director of the JIGROP Institute, an education and research organization focusing on salvation of souls.

"These demonic attacks come from a group with intense discipline. No other organization could do this if they were not a spiritual organization," Smith said in a conference call when announcing a new education program.

In the attacks, Smith said, the perpetrators "were in and out of consciousness with no apparent errors, and created an obsession for sin in less than 30 seconds. How can this be done by anyone other than deomonic forces controlled by the Evil One?"

Smith said that despite what appears to be a systematic effort to target liberal Democrats and hypocrites in varioius Christian groups, defenses have remained weak in many areas.

"We know about major penetrations of politicians in key cities," he said.

Security among private-sector casual Bible readers may not be as robust, said Smith, because "they are less willing to use their faith to resist spiritual attacks."

Smith said the strategy preferred by typical Christians appears to be to downplay the attacks, which has not helped the situation.

"We have a problem within millions of souls that have been terribly and deeply penetrated throughout the United States -- and in most nations of the world ... and we've been keeping it secret," he said.

"The ones who benefit most from keeping it secret are the attackers."

Although Smith said the demons probably have not succeeded in overcoming people of true faith in Lord Jesus Christ, who are accustomed to fighting off bad thoughts created by negative thinking, it is possible they compromised "extremely sensitive" inspirational information.

He said it has been documented that messages from prophets have been ignored, misunderstood or simply rejected due to ignorance brought about by deception.

Famous Spiritual leaders confirmed earlier this year that Christian websites are probed hundreds of times a day by demon-possessed Antichrist supporters, but maintained that no real harm has been done in their struggle to destroy the Kingdom of God.

Supporters of the JIGROP campaign have code-named their newest effort against Satan "Jesus Power" and have made some strides in counter-hacking to identify their humans enemies who are aiding the attackers, Smith said. This was first reported by Reality magazine.

Smith said a series of attacks on Music City Revival and the Elijah Jesus Club reported earlier this year may have been started against other Christian organizations, but they seem to be using different techniques.

In most nations of this world, Smith said there are some areas of improvement on the side of righteousness, because prophets are starting to fight fire with fire. But Smith argued that "the fundamental error is that our spiritual security strategy has relied too much on our own strength instead of leaning upon the power of our Maker."

It seems that even a few of those who claim to be Christians are not able to distinguish parables from fiction or polls from deception.

proudman #racist christianforums.com

[On the president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism's comments blasting the religious right]

It's our country, it should be a Christian country. I don't see why we let them have a voice if it is against the word of Jesus.

Cell #fundie christianforums.com

Dinosaurs the truth.


Few of these animals lived after the great flood, human expansion finally did away with them.

But still there are descendants of these creatures today living in the Democratic Republic of Congo. One of these animals resembles the huge Diplodocus it has a long neck and tail but rarer is a full grown Diplodocus able to lift its neck 40 meters into the air. The male's have small spikes running from the back of the head to the tip of its tale. Referred to as the Mokele-Mbembe or the blocker of rivers.

The finding of this animal would destroy the theory of evolution.

I will dedicate my life to finding these giants and become a Cryptozoologist

SpellJammer #fundie christianforums.com

[Oddly speaking in the third-person, paragraph breaks added]

Words cannot describe the amount of hatred SpellJammer holds for liberals, he's always hated thier policies sense he was a child. (Not many children at six watch Rush Limbaugh, but SpellJammer did. And his mother was a democrat mind you..) But the constant abuse he took from family members, (Not mom or dad, they were good to SpellJammer, and they now consider themselves Republicans) the incompetance of thier leaders, and the disgusting display of inhummanity he has had to endure talking to them, has show them they are not people.

They rejected whatever morality they had when they uttered the words "morality is relative" and you ask them with full honosty, "If that is true, why would you be against being raped, murdered, and then peed on?" and in thier defence they can only display lashing out at you or getting some liberal-moderator to silence you. Liberals are in power, they are horrible sub-humans, and they sicken SpellJammer because they brainwash our children.

They're a plague, and the longer they exsistance, the more SpellJammer suffers. Every second he knows a liberal is not dead or atleast in alot of pain, is like a needle peircing at the back of his neck. SpellJammer was what you could consider a Christian when he was a boy, but as you can see in his profile now, that is no longer the case. The truth behind everything was revealed to SpellJammer throughout his childhood to adulthood, all was made clear, and he knew what had to be done. He's not going to discuss his religous values here, it's neither the time or the place. But SpellJammer does thank liberals for one thing, if not for them, he would've never been pushed to ascend into a faith that advocated thier destruction, and would probably not have become the strong-willed, innate leader that he is today. They created thier own worst enemy, but then, they wouldn't be the first ones..

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Evolution and Ebay

I have not really researched the subject of evolution on Ebay, but I do know Ebay. So, how about it you Evo's? Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is? How about if we start the bid off at $486 for a Rare Genuine Dinosaur Track Foot Print Fossil? Any takers? Who wants to make the first bid?

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

Your evidence for evolution is a fraud. You admit it's a fraud because you will not pay good money for it [a dinosaur footprint on Ebay]. When you try to put your head in the sand and deny that, it just shows that you can not accept the truth.

I am not trying to be argumentive, you guys claim that you do not grasp the point I am trying to make, so I am trying to get it across to you.

Two things seperate the men from the boys, religion and money. If you believe evolution is true, then let me see the color of your money to back that up. If it is a fraud, you will lose your money, if it is real, then you made a good investment and your money will increase.

We want evidence that wall street will accept.

brightmorningstar #fundie christianforums.com

Fundamentalists are the only real liberals.

This is because they tolerate people who disagree with them, its part of their belief that many will; and similalrly they also accept that oether people have ideas ooposed to theirs. Liberals tend not to be able to tolerate some fundamentalists' ideas becuase liberals find them too offensive bigoted and prejudice. (Examples would be the issues of homosexual practice, hell/eternal death, universal salvation)

What do people think?

Edmond #fundie christianforums.com

[After starting a thread on <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t2377830-quote-mining-no-fact-stating-s-j-gould-essay-disclosing-the-debacle-of-darwin’s-ev.html" target="_blank">Stephen Jay Gould's essay Opus 200</a>, the <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_opus200.html" target="_blank">essay's source</a> goes offline a few days later.]

What a Co-ikeedink! Today, Gould’s Opus 200 is Apparently No Longer Present on Web.

This thread is related to the thread— Quote Mining? No, Fact Stating. S J Gould Essay Disclosing the Debacle of Darwin’s Ev,— due to associated reference materials that have been discovered to have been subsequently removed from the web.

After a year of visiting this reference of S J Gould’s Opus 200 Essay on the Web, <a href="http://www.stephenjaygould.org/libr...ld_opus200.html" target="_blank">http://www.stephenjaygould.org/libr...ld_opus200.html</a> [link is broken, that's how it appears in the post] , still active just a couple of days ago when I posted the thread,.."Quote Mining? No, Fact Stating. S J Gould Essay Disclosing the Debacle of Darwin’s Ev" —.today gives this reply upon request for accuse —The page cannot be displayed.


What a co-inkeedink. This may be part of the magic of how evolutionary information—.can appear—and then just—.disappear—. all based, of course, on its validation or invalidate of the desired conclusions and perceptions that are desired to be presented—. Zap, Zap —its like reading a story about Harry Potter.

You don’t suppose there may have been same ‘persuasion’ applied to — make it disappear. No,—of course not, this couldn't be based on the coincidence that the site may have gotten several hundred hits, or more, during the past two day and its publisher may have received some negative responses as a result of its content.

Why that’s unthinkable. Such a notion would be preposterous. It’s a universal and well known fact that the evolutionist community is far too fair and objective about the issues relating to the subject of evolution to ever dream of selectively screening any information on the subject from easy access to the public.

They are much too open with all information whether pro or con as its applies to the subject of evolution. Why the record of their balanced public educational policies stand as a living testimony of that fact? Surely evolutionary web sites would not censure information perceived to challenge any aspect of evolutionary credibilty.

Before today the page was found ‘occupied’ through Google, Stephen Jay Gould Opus 200 or equivalent. The choice displayed is —. Stephen Jay Gould, “Opus 200,” 1991. If you locate another copy of Gould’s essay Opus 200 on the web, not evolutionist commentary about the essay, (they're still there) or if this site comes back on line let me know. I’ll be very surprised to get many takers for that request from the evolutionist group —.

Paveway117 #fundie christianforums.com

Saints arent Of Jesus Christ, you are talking about a Catholic word.
Catholics do not believe Jesus is the son of God.
So Catholicism is a Satanic Religion because it is not of God.
Anything that is not related to God is Satanic.

Santa, Saint and Sanct (sanctification which is used in the Roman Catholic Church becometh of transubstantiation) are all Satanic.

So Santa is Satanic.

rhssm #fundie christianforums.com

Yes... all the issues you named are very important. Not really my point. Basically this is one more step to the name of God being pushed away. It's one more step to this nation falling and not including God in the center of it. Yes, I know - not everyone believes in God. But regardless, I know He exists and I know that when He is included in things, blessings and peace will flourish. When people begin to try to do things on their own and lean on their own understanding and don't include the words of God in their life, destruction eventually results. Our country was founded on God, and of course, to an athiest, that would mean nothing. I'm aware of that. But the fact that this nation was founded on God, is why we've been strong for so long. Our country has held on to morals, not been perfect, but been more of a Godly nation than most. And those morals are now deteriorating. When that happens.. this going country's going down the toilet. Why? Because there will be more people with more twisted ways of thinking, more people with very few if any morals, more people who care more about serving themselves than God

rhssm #fundie christianforums.com

[Suit Filed To Take "In God We Trust" off of Currency]

Christians - we have to act now before it's too late! Everyone join together and make a difference. We are headed for some very hard times if we don't act now!

JohnR7 #fundie christianforums.com

For anyone who has seen Forest Gump, we now have learned that somehow their is a advantage to being stupid. We never quite learn what that advantage is, but somehow we learn there is a advantage to it, and stupid people can lead a rich, full productive life. Of course from a evos perspective, the main thing required is for a species to reproduce itself. There I can see a real advantage to being stupid. After all, forest did somehow manage to reproduce himself. In fact if it were not for his mom having sex with the school master, she would not have been able to get him enrolled. For us I think, if we were smart enough to know what we were getting ourselves into, when we have kids, perhaps a lot of us would have decided to not have kids. So being stupid is an advantage there.

Ok, now we get to the bottom line. Evo's say that creationists are stupid. So the burdon is now on the Evo's to show just what the evolutionary advantage is to the creos stupidity? Because after all, if there was not a evolutionay advantage, then "evolution" would have eliminated it a long time ago.

JOMAN #fundie christianforums.com

There exists no natural law that produced an earth like ours in a cosmos like ours. I note the wisdom of God. He placed our graceful planet amid eight that prove it’s blessedness. It doesn’t matter if some other planet has a bit of water. Our planet is blessed with abundance of water. Random occurrence within the sphere of the sun’s influence would not have discriminated between the planets. That is, if they all came from the sun then they should all have equity of element distribution. But, alas and behold, they don’t. And, if the planets arrived from somewhere else they wouldn’t be confined within a narrow band of orbit. God put the asteroid belt there to teach us that rocks don’t gravitate together to form planets but, instead drift away. Yet the rings of Saturn are delicately formed. And, one planet is diverse from the next and reveals that they all must have a diverse source or a subtle designer who is teaching us to not be foolish. It is obviously more likely that the planets would fall into the hellish sun then that we would ever be thought to arise from it with the wings of life.

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