It's funny how you will NOT accept God without proof, but you will accept other things without proof. No one has PROVED evolution yet, but yet you accept it as fact. There is a reason why it is the THEORY of evolution. At least be consistent in your beliefs
The most famous adherents of evolution have never truly believed in it themselves. Arthur Keith admitted that the theory is only kept going because it rejects fossil evidence that negates it. Richard Leakey stated outright that human evolution had been disproved by the discovery of a 3 million year old human skull from Africa. Stephen Gould conceded that evidence of transitional fossils is absent. Not even Darwin believed his own theory, having renounced it on his deathbed.
I used to be OEC, and could not believe that the earth was young, because of all the "scientific evidence" that I'd been hit with all my life.
So when our financial advisor lent me some Hovind tapes espousing YEC, I went into it with an open mind, but did not think I would be convinced. I was wrong. It makes me sick that so much knowledge is being hidden from school children because it weakens faith in evolution.
I've heard that evolution is still going on but yet no one can explain why humans have stopped evolving from animals.
I'm glad to see they are not letting this sick perversion be compared to the long struggle of the black community for equal rights. Gays have never faced segregation, enslavement or been declared less than human. Homosexuals are held to saint-like status in the media on a daily basis.
Evolution does say that we evolved from monkeys and micro organisms. Particularly hard core evolutionists.
Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by atheists. They are hell bent on explaining away their Creator as if they could only disbelieve hard enough maybe they could make reality go away. (Sadly, some Christians have been cowed by the hype.)
Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see atheists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confront the evidence.
[And right out of the gate, Christians refer to the Bible, to prove the Bible is right.
Anyone else see the circular reasoning in this?]
And what would you suggest?
If we use the Bible then you call it circular reasoning.
If we say we have revelation you say we are imagining it.
Overall, I find speaking to athiests pretty much a total waste of energy since all you seem to want to do is ask a question so that you can then jump in with your tired criticisms.
the body cannot do anyting on its own, the soul is the life principle - what animates it.
... most people who have told me they believe in evolution dont really know what it's about and seem to be saying that so they dont have to actually think about it
[After someone explains the Strong Nuclear Force]Seems like a pretty good arguement to me. Like I said, gluons have never been observed, measured, or proven to exist. They were made up by Athiests to try to explain the phenomina of why the nuclei stay together. Gluons do not exist.
What a lot of heterosexuals do is just as evil and corrupt. I even heard a "heterosexual" claim he was turned on by watching two girls going at it! The guy is nothing but a creep. Such practices are what have brought homosexuality out of the closet. Magazines, books, pictures and movies are just excuses to be immoral. It's all down hill from the Romper Room days....
['Evolution has its uses in fields like medicine, agriculture, engineering and so on']
Evolution is not being used. What is being used is what has always been known as APPLIED SCIENCE. Horticulturalists essentially do the same thing. They selectively cross pollinate flowering vegitation to BREED a pure strain variation. Their creative work has not produced a veggitoid. Neither does one seem to be in the works, either "experimentally" or "naturally".
i told you once opinions dont count... Your theology is also wrong..... I dont think Homosexuals should have any rights until they become a heterosexual.....
*sigh* Wow, apparently, if a woman can't vote, she's being oppressed. If she stays at home, she's being abused and hindered. Can't get a job: rejected and proclaimed inferior. Geez, no wonder feminists are so miserable with such a bastardized view of the world around them!
The young people who are indoctrinated with the make-believe theory of evolution, which is willfully expanded from the recorded scientific observations of natural selection, will believe in that theory as they believed in Santa Claus, even though there is no direct evidence to prove the theory. The corporate/science controls the belief in the theory by directing funding to favorable projects and complient researchers. They control the publishers and decide what will be written in text books and they thereby control the minds of the populace by controlling what they are allowed to learn. The ultimate aim is the same for controlling Santa Claus. And that aim is money and power. Christmas and corporate/science are two of the largest grossing cash cows that the manipulators possess. In both, money is not the only objective. A corollary to the money is control of society, and that may be as important to the greedy people as the money, for it leaves the mainstream population susceptible to other manipulations. The big problem with such societal manipulations is that it doesn't allow science to advance apace of it's collective human knowledge, but it retards it and, as it's main focus, has it investigating lines of inquiry that are predetermined to return scant knowledge.
Also Evolution is supposed to have happened according to the humanists, but I have a question to ask. If in Evolution and survival of the fittest are correct and also Evolution is a science according to the humanists then there shouldn't be any purpose in life. But since I'm a biology major and I'm currently taking Organic Chemistry and Lab, I have noticed that in our Lab Notebooks we have to have a purpose why we're doing the experiment. If Evolution is a science should it have a purpose why evolution has occurred? Also, why does the atheist cry when his wife dies in a car crash? Life has a purpose. We all have a purpose. Can you imagine that someone wants to be good to you? God wants to be good to us all. He's not bad at all. God looks for good and finds good. Ever since Adam had sinned, God wants the relationship with man that he once had. So he gave his only begotten Son Jesus to save us all from hell and eternal damnation. But whoever is not a christian already has to make the choice whether to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and let God love you just the way you are or to reject God and his free gift for a lowzy place in american society with no purpose other than to feel good.
no,homosexuality is what is sick,demented,and deplorable,God calls it an Abomination! I think He describes it perfectly!
I'm firmly confident that the theory of creation is a much better fit to the data than evolution. Evolution makes statements about origins yet supposedly when pressed on this, evolutionists always back away throwing the blame onto some other theory. This is ridiculously unfair as creation also makes claims about origins and we don't throw our origins onto some other theory.
Even atheism is a religion. It is a worldview that requires faith in something that man cannot prove. Not only is it a false religion, it is one of the most dangerous and still being taught to our youth as truth.
Being born a certain way doesn't make it right or natural anyway. Someone could be born with a kleptomaniac gene or a tourette syndrome gene, that still doesn't make those activities okay. People are born mentally ill, that doesn't make erratic and crazy behaviour acceptable.
First of all, the Big Bang theory has been proven correct, because the universe is non-static (a fact that also disproves evolution) [...]
we know that the universe was created, because someone would have had to pull the proverbial pen that caused the explosion. now, for the catch: The bible is the only religious book that says that God is older than the universe (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2). Therefore, Christianity is correct, because it goes hand in hand with science.
You forgot some other practices that have been developed through Darwinism:
Communism, Nazism, Racism, Atheism, Materialism, Amoralism, Scientism, Pantheism, Monopolism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, Freudianism, abortion, drug culture, promiscuity, eugenics, genocide, chauvinism, bestiality, Satanism to name a few.
All I was saying was that either the earth is flat, and the bible is correct, or the earth is round, and the bible is incorect, i'm going to study the issue more and deside for myself which route I want to take. Either Atheist evolutionist, who agrees with all of mainstream sciences, or flat earth litteral bible believer.
I'm leaning toward being an atheist, because if I can't believe the bible to be completly litteraly true, then I can't believe Jesus when he speaks about heaven, etc..
That would make the moon landing a fake, and pretty much all of modern science false...
The evolutionist, we have pointed out on other threads, builds his platform on a logical redundancy. When you ask him how such and such evolved, he will answer you with a description of its current utility, and suggest that those without such utility were culled by natural selection. As we have pointed out, his position is summed up by the parody "post hoc ergo propter hoc", which is to say "after the fact, therefore before the fact".
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a baby that is aborted goes to- heaven
a 6 month old baby that dies in a car crash goes to -heaven
a 2 year old pre schooler drowneds in a paddleing pool goes to - heaven
4 year old from a islamic family dies in a bombing goes to - heaven
10 year old dies in a head on crash doesn't believe in God goes to -hell
Whenever I see someone with pierced ears I thing of someone who has put themselves into volunteer slavery for life. I don't think worse of them. The reference to a pierced ear in Exodus simply states how to mark a lifelong servant.
I've never seen a snuff movie, but from what I understand they are the result of a progressive appetite of porn. ie. soft porn, hard porn, bondage, rape, s&m, etc. My husband, who openly professes that porn was his greatest addiction, expalined it to me once.
One of the chief reasons for getting married is to raise children in the faith and fear of God. If a couple knows that they are barren, and they have no intention to adopt, etc... to have a child, then I wouldn't officiate at their wedding. The issue is the openness to life.
My own experience has taught me that atheism is a matter of geneitcs; the lack of a 'belief gene'. Your skeptisim is simply a product of DNA or a chemical imbalance in your brain.
How about this, then. The split [between the times when physics did and did not apply to Eden] was not instant, but perhaps never really was completed till during the flood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This makes it entirely possible, as the merged laws were different. Presto- all arguements hitherto used against a canopy no longer valid!!! I like that. With science, then being neutered, this leaves only objections of a biblical nature to be a possible theory killer here.(?) But that's not going to happen, I am almost positive! So, evos, check, and MATE!!
I can not think of anything more indecent than the homosexual lifestyle. It is a perversion that causes child molestation. Just look at all the priests that the news was saying molested childeren.
[Replying to comment quoted from <a href="http://skepdic.com/ouija.html" target="_blank">Skepdic.com - Ouija Boards</a>, 'If you want to prove it to yourself, follow the advice of that same site: "simply try it blindfolded for some time, having an innocent bystander take notes on what letters are selected. Usually, the result will be unintelligible nonsense."']
Uh-huh. What if no one is touching it and it is giving you answers.
Troll? Are you kidding me? Have you noticed the name of this forum? I would consider every single last one of the atheists trolls. I mean, this is Christian Forums. So do not call me a troll.
Medicine was doing fine before Darwin. What great advances occurred because of the evolutionary thinking? Aren't humans beyond the reach of natural selection anyway?
Atheists, by denying that there is a God by which human beings are patterned and to Whom we are responsible debase all of us to the status of animals. Atheists are not racists, but by implication their system of beliefs is far worse.
Are Atheists Blind?
I have tried to debate with atheist on this forum, and I don't know if its me or not, but I find them very unreasonable.
They do not seem willing to consider even for a moment that God may be real.
They seem to have an attitude of arrogance about them. And I wonder, could some of them be evil, because sometimes they give me the shivers.
And then there are those that get me a tiny bit angry. Then I want to smite them.... which of course is wrong... I should turn the other cheek.
I'm beginning to think that some of the atheists that come looking for debate maybe under the influence of Satan.
Are these people blind to God's truth? because when it is put right under their noses, they just don't see it.
Apartheid was when Africans colonised England.
Children in Africa are born with AIDS because of the sins of their poeple.
There are so many stress induced deseases and veneral deseases. Faith in God most definitely does impact the health of the believer, which explains the better health among people of faith... personally have no fear whatever of the prospect of my wife or I ever getting the HIV/AIDS desease... or other sexually related deseases. Immoral behavior often leads to its own punishment.
"Now, here is my thought. If GOD is all mighty, all powerful and all knowing, then why would he create evolutionto use millions of painful and slow years to get humans,his favorite race? If he is all powerful, he does not need chance and millions of years to create. They believe in GOD, but apperently not in his ultimate power"
I didn't expect you, of all people, to contribute anything to this thread. What does an atheist know about these things? They came with a "BANG" they will go out with a "BANG." Who cares?
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I mean seriously, you have to want to not believe God exists. First of all, all of the evolutionists can't explain how everything came from nothing. Christians can (duh God made the world) and the whole argument that humans come from monkeys is so weak, its not even funny.
1) If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Is that were chinese, blacks, polands etc came from? Different types of monkeys?
2) Just because monkeys are smart, does not mean we came from them. Velocoraptors from my understanding were very inteligent animals, why didn't they evolve into some higher creature?
3) If we still have monkeys, why arent they humans? What is taking them so long? Why were we humans back in the 1600s, and still have monkeys, and after all these years they havent changed a bit.
4) We have more proof that Jesus Christ existed than we do of George Washington, you can look that up if you like.
5) The earth is the perfect place for life. We orbit around the sun that God placed so perfectly, we have night and day so we can have time to sleep, we are protected from the outside of space with an atmosphere, we have trees that supply oxygen, we have tons of minerals to help us with our lives, and all of you evolutionists think that all of this came from nothing? With no help from God? You think that this world so perfectly compatable for human life can exist? Its crazy.
6) 3/4 people believe God exists. Thats over half of the world.
7)The Bible says that people will persecute Christians, so i know all of you all will continue to do this, and the Bible says that anything that proves against the knowledge of God will be cast down.
All of you evolutionists exist as a test of our faith, satan is using you to undermine us. But, eventually you guys will come face to face with the almighty God, and then you guys can then tell me who was right. Have a nice day.
[22-year-old Nick Wallis, who has muscular dystrophy, had hoped to experience sex before he died. After telling staff at the Douglas House hospice in Oxford of his wish, they decided to help him, reported London's DailyTelegraph.]
Wonder if he would have requested losing his virginity to a sheep, cow or chicken, wonder if they could have talked the farmer into loaning one of his animals to help a dying mans last request. Simple amazing how the world will help sin along.
Atheists go out of their way to deny the truth and reject God. They are the true definition of evil and satanic! I understand why Christians would get tired of confronting Stan on a regular basis it drains your spiritual energy.
The universe is as old as you want it to be. But God created Adam and Eve and put them in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. There are theistic evolutionists that believe that God created them over time and then when man had developed to where he is now, God put them into the Garden. The modern age began.
Perhaps you need to do a little bit of study on biodiversity to see how that works.
'm 100% Fact without question Jesus is alive. You Atheists will change on your death bed or wake up after death. This is a 100% Fact. You feel young and healthy but you death clock is ticking down. The only Atheists that doesn't worry about Death is one that will never die.
[What methods of sex are morally permissible?]
Sex is only acceptable when the male orgasms inside of the woman and without the use of contraceptives of any kind including barrier methods.
[To a Christian who doesn't say the Pledge because Jesus condemned oath-taking (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=Matthew+5%3A33-37&version=NIV">Matthew 5:33-37</a>)]I assume that being as how you are unable to swear allegiance to this Nation that you also live a Pietistic life- not voting, not sitting on juries, not seeking employment from the State and so on??????
I'm referring to the evolution that athiests believe in. The religion known as evolutionism or secular humanism.