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ShieldOFaith #fundie christianforums.com

* (If I were to create a new nation, this is how it would go.) *

In establishing a New Nation, We the People of the Confederate States Of America do hereby hold these truths wholesome and eternal.

1. GOD is the creator and sustainer of all life on this planet. As well as the creator of everything inside and outside of the universe. Jesus Christ is God the Son the second person of the holy trinity. He was born of a virgin named Miriam, lived a perfect and sinless life. He was crucified, died, and was buried. He rose up from the dead on the third day. Forty days later He ascended to the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. Salvation is through Him and Him alone. There is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved. Jesus Christ is the savior and there is none other. He is blessed forever. Amen.

2. We have the right to life and no one person or group can take away the right to life, save in cases of capital punishment. All human beings, born or unborn have the right to life. Only those who have committed crimes worthy of capital punishment, can have their lives taken from them.

3. Homosexuality is a sin and a complete abomination unto GOD. All attempts to create a sense of normalcy, and attempts to create laws to promote this vile sin are wicked, and against GOD.

4. The worship of GOD is wholesome and good. All Christians should have the right to worship GOD as they see fit. All attempts at stopping the worship of GOD are immoral and wicked. No man or group has the right to prevent the true worship of GOD.

5. Marxist Communism in all it's forms is wicked and evil. It is inspired by lucifer and should be driven from the face of the earth.

We the People of the New Confederate States Of America, hereby state these truths and hold them firm. We will strive to keep ourselves pure and stay close to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

We are a Christian Nation and will ever be so. No other faith will be officially recognized as the faith of this Nation. This will be true now, and forever more. Amen.

Now may the Lord Jesus Christ bless us all. Amen.

Renton405 #fundie christianforums.com

You act like you know what the true meaning of love is. As well as the true meaning of loving your neighbor as yourself. Confirming someone in their sins to be agreebale to other people is not love..

St. Paul talked about love, but he had no problem rebuking sinners(fornicators, sodomites). Other verses he said to have "nothing to do with them".. Neither did Jesus or Peter. Peter rebuked someone so hard that they dropped dead right in from of him(and then his wife did later)..

And what does "Neighbor" mean? many theologians took this for meaning only the christian community. The apostles took each other as their "neighbors" and their successors and so on..Are the Pagans and reprobate really are "neighbors"?? From St. Paul's writings it seems to portray a resounding NO.. Meaning loving each other in the community(your fellow christians). Jesus said if they do not listen to you, shake off the dust from your feet, for it will be more "tolerable for Sodom than for that town"..

Lindstrom #fundie christianforums.com

Lets read from the bible and see what is considered as a given truth from it:

What two witness about should be esteblished as truth.

We need two independent witnessess who can witness about something inorder for it to be true:

For instance, seeing a gnome while going to sleep on sleeping pills is considered to be a lie because only one can witness about it.

In the same manners evolution is considered a lie because only Darwin has proposed the idea that we have evolved from lower state life forms during a time laps of some millions of years:

We do not have two independent witnessess when it comes to evolution. We have a set of scientists who believe in one witness (Darwin) and are dedicating their lives to examine his testemony.

ShieldOFaith #fundie christianforums.com

[Abortion is evil...in your opinion.

And before you say it, you're not entitled to speak for God. You're entitled to speak for you. Nobody else.]

Sorry. Wrong again.

Read the Bible (hint, Mt. 28). I speak for GOD. Abortion is murder!

Stop the murder, or the hammer of GOD will drop on this nation.

duordi #fundie christianforums.com

In Genesis description there is no rain and everything is spring fed.

The surface of the ground is watered by dew.

The salty oceans are cause by rain and erosion dissolving salts from the soil which eventually contaminate the oceans.

At the time of the flood there was only fresh water.
Actually the time of the flood can be approximated by projecting how long it would take to bring a fresh water ocean to the current salt contamination level.

Renton405 #fundie christianforums.com

[I could be mistaken, but I don't think that any Muslim countries, even those with sharia laws, require one to be a Muslim, nor to pray at all, let alone a specified number of times per day.]

Man are you ever blind.. That comment is a personal insult to all who have died because of sharia laws.. Reading the bible is punishable by execution alone..

Christians are nearly extinct because of them. They are moving out of the middle east(which by the way is originally their land). So not only do christians have persecution from the Jews in Israel, but they have it from the Muslims from the other side..

Seriously, don't bring up something you know absolutly nothing about..

rebelEnigma #fundie christianforums.com

*sigh* Wow, apparently, if a woman can't vote, she's being oppressed. If she stays at home, she's being abused and hindered. Can't get a job: rejected and proclaimed inferior. Geez, no wonder feminists are so miserable with such a bastardized view of the world around them!

ClearSky #fundie christianforums.com

On all such forums Creationists are outnumbered. This means the Atheists and Evolutionists can mostly control the direction of the discussion, and this direction is then always some scientific detail. They lead us onto the scientific terrain and slaughter us there. We can possibly not win against Atheists and Evolutionists with scientific arguments, but we can win with logic.

arunma #fundie christianforums.com

Actually, Huckabee's belief in creationism is one of the reasons that I'll be voting for him, despite the fact that I despise the Republican party with quite the passion. Whether or not evolution is a religion, the fact is that it is treated as such by many atheist scientists and non-scientists alike, who venerate it as some icon of atheism.

Sure, he doesn't have that great of an economic policy. And his plan for Iraq is horrendous. But I figured I'd vote for him for no other reason than to break down an altar to Richard Dawkins. And besides that, why would I listen to "the scientists" position on political issues. What do they know about politics anyway?

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

( On the subject of flood story)

However you look at it --- myth or otherwise, made-up, true, false, guesswork, assumptions, hypotheticals, junk theology, twisting the facts, outright lying, literal interpretation of the Scriptures, figurative interpretation of the Scriptures, cult explanations, philosophies, crackpots, cracked pots, or crock pots; I know one thing:


Science didn't do it.

Ceridwen #fundie christianforums.com

Your moral conscience tells you that God and the state should execute people who express their greed through shoplifting. You know that shoplifters deserve death -- and more than death, they deserve to have God lay an infinite curse upon them.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

[No one, that is my personal belief.

Just as your belief that god does exist and created reality is your personal belief.

My belief conforms to reality rather better than yours though because you believe that a book written by Bronze age nomads trumps your senses, and I believe that my senses and the findings of modern science trump the musings of bronze age goat herders.]

These "Bronze age nomads and goat herders" as you call them were the world's elite intellectuals. It is said that within a short period of the Babylonian Captivity, they were teaching Babylonian history and customs to the Babylonians in their Babylonian universities.
Their military stratagems were second to none. By making their farm tools out of brass, instead of bronze, they could switch these instruments into military armament at a moment's notice; and although they weren't as fast as our Minutemen, it's because our Minutemen were able to keep their armament apart from their farm implements. Thus, while appearing to be a pastoral, sheepish nation, and seemingly having "Invade Me" written on every city's signpost, they were the world's true shock-and-awe artists --- and still are.

ClearSky #fundie christianforums.com

The reason why the geologic evidence for the Flood is not seen by geologists and many Christians is not uniformatism. Geology also believed in great catastrophes in the past, like continent shifting, land rising out of the sea and so on. Thats how geologist explain marine fossils on mountains. There are websites - though I won't post them here - where you can look up Geology and geologic explanations for all the phenomena.

No, the reason is even simpler. It's because God removed all the clear evidence that would undoubtedly prove the flood. He only left evidence that could be interpreted in different ways, with or without flood.

He even changed evidence, for instance he gave the different sediment layers in the Grand Canyon different magnetic orientations. This way He suggested that they were deposited during a long time period in which the earth magnetic field changed several times.

No, you will ask - why did God do that? Why did he give geologists the opportunity to interpret the earth history in a different way without the Genesis Flood?

It's because he wants us to believe, not to know. Belief is based on a personal decision. If we had all sorts of evidence proving supernatural events, we wouldn't have this choice anymore. We were force to believe, but God wants our belief be based not of force but on free will and on a personal choice.

AV1611VET #fundie christianforums.com

To be perfectly honest, the Bible was written by God. It is "scientists" today who don't know about four-legged locusts and hares that chewed their cud; not to mention satyrs, unicorns, behemoths, leviathans, and fowled bats.

HisdaughterJen #fundie christianforums.com

False Prophet technology?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

"Prince Charles will appear at conference as a hologram"

"His detractors may argue that his green principles do not stand up to close examination.
But now Prince Charles is set to confound his critics by addressing an energy conference - as a hologram. Determined to keep his environmental damage to a minimum, Charles will save the 15 tons of carbon that would have been generated by flying himself and his staff 7,000 miles to the World Future Energy Summit in Abu Dhabi. "

According to the article, Al Gore has done it too.

Maybe this is what John saw in Revelation...?:

Rev 13:14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
Rev 13:15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

Shield of Faith #fundie christianforums.com

Liberal theologians who deny that Jesus Christ is God in human flesh, that He died on the cross and rose up physically from the dead; are evil in the sight of God.

They will have their part in the lake of fire which burns for all eternity. They are true sons of satan. Their father lucifer is very happy with them spreading their filth upon this nation and the rest of the world.

However, God, the Father of the righteous is going to send them to be with their father lucifer for all eternity in the everlasting burning lake of fire. Their screams will be ignored. They will be held in the utmost CONTEMPT by God while He is burning them alive forever.

Liberal theology is straight from the luciferian bowels of hell; and God will see to it that all that espouse it will be lit on fire for all eternity!!!

You have been warned!

Kas #fundie christianforums.com

The church must realise, that its great victories of the past were not wrought by sitting on ones hands consoling its self with spiritual platitudes about how GOD is gonna do something, or how he is in control...but by haveing the faith to realise that GOD calls us to be the solution to the tests He has presented us with, to act on our faith resolutely to advance it.

The church will only be taken seriously when it takes its self seriously.

I therefore offer this calling to all who have the heart to take it:

Deffend the honour of Christ, deffend the Brethren...

deffend them...FOR GOD, THE KINGDOM AND THE SAINTS...

CRUSADE, CRUSADE, CRUSADE...CRUSADE, CRUSADE, CRUSADE...CRUSADE, CRUSADE, CRUSADE....

omarrocks #fundie christianforums.com

[The lack of evidence in support of the gods. That's basically why I don't believe.]
The lack of empirical evidence. Yet, that is not the only kind of evidence that exists.

You can't empirically measure wind, yet you know it exists.

Floatingaxe #fundie christianforums.com

Everyone who knows God through His Son, Jesus Christ, knows that God has provided us His inerrant written word. He has protected His truth from the hand of the evil one who seeks to pervert it, who does that by convincing people of it and causes them to speak against it.

We don't buy it. Satan is very obvious about it, ecause most often he speaks to those who have never read it, but rather follow after those who hate God.

ScarletCrusader #fundie christianforums.com

The American people should be proud of their faith and their great zeal for our lord Jesus Christ! The God-forsaken continent known as Europe should model itself on the United States. (only 21,6% of the Europeans believe in creationism!!?? OUTRAGE!!!)


Consumerism is good for the third world.

dad #fundie christianforums.com

So, looking at science, and Nasa endeavors, it seems that the moon is quite a spiritual place.

I would suggest that, since we know that the inner earth is a place where spirits live, so also is the inner moon!

Isa 66:1 - Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

That almost sounds like He sometimes is so near the earth is like His stool. What heavenly body is nearest to earth?

The interior of the moon, like earth, I would think, by the evidences of science in the form of moon landings, is inhabited by spirits. (i.e. the general strong feeling it was a spiritual place)

In this respect, the package of the moon is like a Christmas present. Lots of neat things inside.
And science doesn't know what is in the center of the moon.

SweetAngeline2 #fundie christianforums.com

I don't read books with graphic violence, rape or murder. I mean, other than the Bible! But that's Gods Holy Word, so who can argue with that? But aside from the Bible, I only read light-hearted Christian fiction and inspirational stories.

Renton405 #fundie christianforums.com

"liberal" christianity is not christianity in the first place... You cannot take middle ground. You either give up all your life to Christ or none of it.. You stop ALL sinning or you continue in it..

Everytime you try to justify another sin you bruise and hammer another nail in Christ.

Liberal "christians" would be denominations like the Unitarians who think all are saved, even the unrepentant, also "christians" who support sinful things like abortion and gay marriage(which by the way has schismed the Lutheran and Episcopalian denominations, as well as many others),,as well as other things like sex outside of marriage, promiscuity, feminism, children out of wedlock, birth control, the conditions in public school, thinking theres other ways to salvation without Christ, and other forms of Satanic influence etc..

They are nothing but wolves in sheeps clothing. people who are ashamed of the gospel and just "go with it" because it makes them agreable to other people.

Renton405 #fundie christianforums.com

The US was built by christians. Many people consider the US to be the greatest country in the world. Christian lands tend to have less violence than say, Muslim or Atheist/Socialist/Communist Lands. All school shootings have happened in secular public schools..Even Hitler had atheistic plans for his country(get rid of Judiasm and Christendom)

ephraimanesti #fundie christianforums.com

[You can't have it both ways. If animals "praise" by living their lives, so do atheists.]

NO!--given their refusal to love and obey their Creator thereby fulfilling the reason for their creation, atheists have no lives--they merely exist.

[And when you say animals "joyfully obey", it is because they have no free will to do otherwise.]

Yes, this is true. Without freewill, animals can do no more than follow their programming. Man, with his God-given gift of freewill, alone in the universe has the ability to love his Creator and do His will out of Love, rather than programming. This is the essence of "humanity" given that man was created in the image and likeness of God. (Genesis 1:27)

By turning their back on their Creator to the point of, against all evidence and reason, even denying His existence and thus their own humanity, atheists, in effect, become animals controlled by their instincts--which, of course, is what Darwin said in the first place and explains his position as the atheist messiah.

Secundulus #fundie christianforums.com

[And right out of the gate, Christians refer to the Bible, to prove the Bible is right.

Anyone else see the circular reasoning in this?]

And what would you suggest?

If we use the Bible then you call it circular reasoning.

If we say we have revelation you say we are imagining it.

Overall, I find speaking to athiests pretty much a total waste of energy since all you seem to want to do is ask a question so that you can then jump in with your tired criticisms.

ephraimanesti #fundie christianforums.com

[He said "god hasn't shown up since". If he has shown himself, where did he do it? Please provide a place and time where your god may be viewed and consulted.]

He has shown Himself to multiple millions over the last 2000 years. The instant anyone opens their heart and mind to Him in total faith, trust, obedience, and surrender, He is there--any place and any time.

Worked for me--will work for you.

Adiya #fundie christianforums.com

[Also - no one is denying that a foetus moves inside the womb but I don't see how you can definitively say that it feels pain when there is evidence to the contrary (I'm talking first trimester abortions here).]

There is evidence on both sides, and frankly the evidence to support the fetus being able to feel, is greater, and provided by medical personal, just as the support for the opposing side is. You can google it, but the majority of it is going to be difficult to find on a computer, where pro-life is often viewed as a dirty phrase used to shame those who choose abortion.

Renton405 #fundie christianforums.com

A mother killing her own child is not "reproductive freedom".. Reproductive freedom is having intercourse with who you want... So don't put abortion under the mask of "reproductive freedom", its manipulative and hypocritical..

CGL #fundie christianforums.com

[How old do you believe the Earth to be, and why?]

About 6,000 years old.

No, I don't believe this because red blood cells and hemoglobin have been found in some (unfossilized) dinosaur bones; nor do I believe this because the earth’s magnetic field has been decaying so fast that it couldn’t be more than 10,000 years old. I don't believe this because salt is pouring into the sea much faster than it is escaping and that the sea is not nearly salty enough for this to have been happening for billions of years; nor do I believe this because the total amount of helium in the atmosphere is only 1/2000th of that expected if the atmosphere were really billions of years old.

I believe this because the Word of God tells me so.

theIdi0t #fundie christianforums.com

Because the fruit that Adam and Eve ate, corrupted humanity's DNA, as sin was passed along to further generations by natural procreation. Since Jesus shared his DNA with the Divine father, through his unnatural procreation, his DNA did not have the sin gene, and this granted his spiritual descendants the ability to rid themselves of their sin gene, by being born again.

This is why "True" Christians don't sin as much as the not so true Christians, and those Hitler loving atheist.

Jayton #fundie christianforums.com

Folks, there are no facts that C02 emissions are causing global warming. That is a {horrible} theory.

It's NOTHING but POLITICS.

Even the dude who made the weather channel doubts Cars are causing global warming.

We have to take account history {which IS FACT} where the earth has warmed { The heat days of Europe} and it simply could be natural patterns in the earth.

There are theories talking about how the earth poles could flip. That could impact the climate.

The plate tectonic theory also plays a impact on climate.

We have to take these facts into consideration.

ElijahFalling #fundie christianforums.com

All you've pointed out is that alternative theories to creationism exist. That does not disprove creationism. And citing the volume of material that has been written on the subject is irrelevant when you consider that at least just as much material has been written in support of creaitonism.

ElijahFalling #fundie christianforums.com

[Is that really the best you can do? You have taken it upon yourself to judge and condemn millions.. surely you must have more verses that pertain to creationist and the fact that they are the only ones who are saved. Try again.]

Revelation 21:8 states that all liars go to Hell.
Evolution is a lie.
Therefore, all evolutionists will go to Hell.

It's really quite simple.

ElijahFalling #fundie christianforums.com

You are in denial and have perverted the Word of God. How can you call yourself a Christian when you openly deny what is written in God's Word? For God's Word gives an account of creation that is incompatable with the teachings of evolution. You are not a Christian, and the Lake of Fire awaits you unless you repent of your sin.

33LB #fundie christianforums.com

Masturbation is Evil


Remember that Jesus is everywhere. He is in your heart and mind as you jerk off over a porno mag.

He is also in that little blob of semen you wipe off the floor and flush down the toilet.

How could you do that to baby Jesus?


Next time you feel like masturbating... please spare a thought for Jesus. Thank you.

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