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[Highlights from their second thread on this article]

Re: Men are more disadvantaged than women in the UK, US and most of Europe, scientists claim

(dunesfrank)

Because it's an awful measurement used.

It's certainly superior to that of the feminist WEC and UN indexes, which don't even taken into account areas in which males are behind females in a particular area. In fact the WEC index actually portrays female superiority as "more equal". So this is at least a step in the right direction.

However it's flawed. The paper doesn't really get into the institutional oppression of males in western nations and focuses mainly on health. It doesn't mention MGM, discrimination against boys in school, institutional discrimination against males in the family and criminal courts, the constant hate campaigns against males in the media, the demonization of male sexuality, discrimination against white men in the workplace, discrimination against homeless men in shelter access, complete lack of reproductive rights, curtailments of due process rights, paternity fraud, male victims of domestic and sexual violence etc. etc.

Basically it just scratches the surface. But yeah, still vastly superior to feminist attempts at measuring "gender equality", which are completely fraudulent if not downright bizarre.

Take some of this with a grain of salt.
no doubt men are disadvantaged in many areas, but some of their overall data is flawed.
take their example of saudi arabia:
The researchers said the gravest disadvantage facing men was often heath, particularly in countries with high levels of alcohol consumption, which tends to lower men’s lifespan.
ok....
For women, the disadvantages are strongly related to education.
one is not like the other, and comparing the two are dumb as shit.
for men, its our own faults that are holding back (in saudi arabia not else where). where as women's one is institutionalized

Males suffer institutional oppression in almost every area of western life. Boys can have their genitals legally mutilated, causing hundreds of deaths every year; boys suffer institutional discrimination in schools (see CH Sommers "The War Against Boys"; also we now known that female teachers mark boys down by an average of 20 percent for the same work); males in college are routinely denied due process rights when accused of some crime by a woman; entire departments in universities are devoted to demonizing males and male sexuality; countries like Canada are literally attempting to reverse due process in rape cases; "female only" scholarships and programs continue despite women making up a strong (and growing) majority on college campuses; men are twice as likely to be arrested and charged when they commit a crime and receive on average 60 percent longer prison sentences; male victims of sexual violence by women rarely receive justice; men are profiled as pedophiles when they want to work with children; white men suffer institutional discrimination in the workplace due to affirmative action and corporate "diversity" measures; males have zero reproductive rights; males routinely suffer discrimination in the family courts, and are sometimes denied access to their children due to false accusations (which are hardly ever punished); though men pay the majority of taxes (females have a net drain on the tax system) nearly all gender-specific programs by government cater to females; much more money is spent on female health care than male health care; male victims of domestic violence are routinely arrested for domestic violence; I could go on indefinitely.

So yeah, you have it exactly backwards. Women suffer from social issues, mostly based on their choices, but it is males that suffer institutional oppression.

The third world is a different ballgame. It's difficult to get accurate information in part because feminist organizations only concentrate on areas in which females are allegedly disadvantaged.

Even in "patriarchical" countries (eg Saudi Arabia) you can find clear evidence of male institutional oppression. Eg men being thrown in prison if they lose their job and can't support their wives; men being treated much more harshly by the criminal justice system (which, again, is an example of institutional discrimination); males being considered expendable (whether in wars or the workplace or even leisure activities -- eg until a few years ago in Saudi Arabia boys as young as 4 were forced to become "camel jockeys" and would frequently die as a result); male victims of sexual and domestic violence being completely ignored (in many cases the law doesn't even conceive of female sexual assault as a crime, even if the victim is if a boy); and so on.

The much higher rates of male alcoholism are undoubtedly related to institutional discrimination, not in every case, but many.

(Seagram1)
The world filled with female middle management is discriminating against the male gender. It is happening in the West because the rsst of the world has not filled its office management and HR departments with women. The lesson to learn here is that a woman is a sexist and by giving them power to decide who gets what they give to other women and let the men do without. It must end or chaos will ensue.

(UsernameIWontRegret)
Woman have always been more privileged than men. They point to kings and act as if that represents men at large.

Let's not forget women by and large did not want the vote in the early 20th century because they didn't want that responsibility.

Let's also not forget that women are by and large more pro-life than men.

If you want your cause taken seriously, I wouldn't recommend saying stuff like this.

There are two types of people in this world.

Those who don't care about facts or realities, only the feeling or emotion conveyed.

Those who don't care about feeling or emotions conveyed, only the facts and realities.

Most men fall into that second group, whereas most women fall into the first. Someone once said for men communication is all about content, for women it's context. So this is what makes it hard for women to take MRAs seriously. We are all about conveying the facts that make people feel uncomfortable, and women don't like the fact that it makes them feel uncomfortable, so they ignore it. It doesn't change the fact that these are in fact facts. And I will never apologize for stating what is demonstrably true.

(dawnpriestess)
Probably because white women usurped affirmative action, meant for minorities who were historically oppressed, and are usually the most underqualified people found in the workplace.

Another reason could be because feminists successfully infiltrated HR departments nationwide and mostly focus on getting women into the board rooms and high level positions of Corporate America, a place they did not build.

If you want your cause taken seriously, I wouldn't recommend saying stuff like this.

The part about voting is actually true. Feminists were pushing for the right to vote, but many women were fighting against it, since it also meant they would be eligible to be drafted to war. Of course men ultimately protected them from that responsibility, and died by the millions while women stayed at home.

(HQR3)

We did it boys! We beat feminism.

Yep. Just like we did in the mid-70s when we proved parity in DV/IPV./s

(WikiMB)
I can see feminists explaining that it's because of patriarchy and toxic masculinity.

[They have two threads about this article, here are the highlights from the first one.]

Re: Men are more disadvantaged than women in the UK, US and most of Europe, scientists claim | Metro News

(-manatease)

We were right after all, then.

They aren't measuring most of the issues either. I wonder how the "women don't go to prison for the same crimes" thing slots in to this?

(typhonblue)
Nope. This is still biased towards women's issues. Further do they count "domestic technology" in the education category? When a household is producing 70% of a family's material wealth and living, how can you possibly say that being able to run it isn't an important skill?

(truefachman)
Actually, our "allies" at Sargon of Akkad's subreddit got pissed off at this study because it concluded that women ain't so oppressed in Saudi Arabia. And right-wingers and shitlords love to think that women are oppressed in Saudi Arabia.

(dunesfrank)
As others have noted this study only scratches the surface. For example there is nothing about MGM, boys being more likely to suffer abuse, institutional discrimination against boys in the education system; there is nothing about the feminist war on hetero male sexuality, family courts, criminal courts etc. etc.

However it's definitely a step in the right direction.

The new measure has thrown up some strange results. For instance, it rated Saudi Arabia as having a high level of ‘gender parity’, which suggests men and women live reasonably equal lives.
This is because of a 7% disadvantage for women in education and a 5% disadvantage for men in life satisfaction. But in 2016, the World Economic Forum’s Global Gender Gap Report placed Saudi Arabia at a dismal 141 out of 144 countries for gender parity.

I have long been getting downvoted for suggesting that -- as bizarre as it at first sounds -- highly patriarchal countries may be more gender egalitarian than feminist societies, because both sexes suffer discrimination in different ways. In feminist societies the discrimination (and indeed unrelenting abuse) flows mainly in one direction.

The authors of the study suggest that we need to focus on men's health in developed countries and women's education in non-developed countries. They ignore the fact that we have an educational crisis in hour own house -- discrimination against boys.

As for "health", including mental health and addiction issues (especially alcoholism) a lot of this derives from the institutional oppression of men in western countries. If I lost my kids and half my stuff and was forced to pay alimony and lost my job to an affirmative action hire etc. I might drink myself to death too.

(Wisemanner)
" highly patriarchal countries may be more gender egalitarian than feminist societies..."

I don't doubt it. In the UK, male dominated governments have always given preferential treatment to female citizens, and it should be perfectly obvious by now that female dominated governments will do the same only far more so.

(dunesfrank)

I think the research presented is an interesting way to view gender inequality, but the headline is inflammatory.
We aren't trying to take the title of ‘most disadvantaged’, it isn't a competition between social groups or between genders.
Men and women suffer in a different ways for different things. The research brings light to men's issues that perhaps aren't always considered by the wider consumer. Saying we are ‘more disadvantaged’ is a quick way to alienate the movement.
I just don't think it's fair to quantify a plethora complex social issues and present a league table of the most oppressed groups. We all have our problems, we should strive to recognise that, not compete.

There's no contest. Males are institutionally oppressed in every major area of western life. Females are institutionally privileged in every major area of western life. Feminists do themselves no favors by pretending otherwise. The longer this goes on and the worse it gets the worse the blowback will be. Either they come to grips with reality and start supporting MRA's or the far right will correct the problem for them.

Brother, come on. I fully support and recognise the issues men face. I face them too, that's exactly why I'm here. But you can't outright deny women's issues. You can't say they're privileged in every area, that just totally invalidates everything they experience as women. Our problems coexist and deserve just as much attention as each other. No more or less.
This shouldn't be about flipping the script and painting women as the oppressor and men as the oppressed. It should be about levelling the playing field for everyone.

I don't consider women "oppressors." Feminists are certainly oppressive.

And I used the word "major". Women certainly have gender based problems and disadvantages. But they are not institutionally oppressed like males, at least not in modern western nations.

(GingerRazz)

If Trump wasn't elected I'm pretty sure we'd have reached a tipping point already.

This was part of my thinking during the election. I felt like Trump had enough corruption red flags to possibly make people say enough is enough and Hillary had enough aggressive misandry to make people say enough is enough. When people asked my opinion on the election, I said the worst crisis would be us electing either of them, but the backlash might push the nation in the right direction.