How not to argue. A response to taln0reichhttps://fstdt.com/5CJLQY9RCTVX3 , Transscript starting around 6:48 and ending around 8:47 of a 36-minute video)
The trouble with procedures is that it's human beings who make them, and human beings who interpret them, and as long as genderists succeed in obscuring the difference between men and women, women will get hurt. As for raping women en mass, this is a straw man and it is absolutely typical of the gender cult. They cannot refute the claims we are making, so they have to fabricate a claim that nobody has made. Nobody has said trans-identifying men are raping women en mass. We don't need to. Even if it were only Karen White - the whom I didn't mention by the way - but the reason the likes of me harp on about him is because he is a very high profile case, widely covered in the media, easy to point to and the perfect illustration of what can happen as a result of institutional capture by gender ideology.
Now i said
however much they try to dress them up in science the claims they make are metaphysical
and Taln responded with the usual canard about the brains of trans-identifying people being more like those of people of the sex they wished they were. It's not brain activity that determines whether someone is male or female. I did a video on the trans brain bad argument and it's really rather good. My favorite comment in response which I pinned below it came from a neuroscientist who said "you are spot on on this one the evidence shows that there are no consistent significant differences between female and male brains except for size. But even if there were correlation is not causation" - obviously - "neuroplasticity - a fancy word for the brain's capacity to change itself upon experience or training can shape brains functional networks"
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regarding the first paragraph: for “Nobody has said trans-identifying men are raping women en mass”, TERFs /”gender criticals” do tend to talk a lot about how, as soon as trans women are let into women’s spaces, women were going to suddenly be raped en masse. Almost like that isn’t a strawman, but actually the typical TERF/”gender critical” position.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604863/ ). But of course if it fits into her worldview, the comment of some random youtube account claiming to be a neuroscientist has more weight. No bias here /sarcasm
and Taln responded with the usual canard about the brains of trans-identifying people being more like those of people of the sex they wished they were. It's not brain activity that determines whether someone is male or female.
Once again, Taln is right and the TERF is wrong. There are lots of children that are born with genitals that aren’t a penis or a clitoris. Doctors then snip and make it into whatever they think it resembles the most and assign the gender after they have modified the genitals. Sometimes parents are told, sometimes they aren’t. Our bodies are a lot less exact than you all pretend they are. Genitals are what others use to determine a persons gender, but the brain is where gender is actually determined.
Also, gender is very cultural, and I don’t just mean in presentation. Dominant cultures in Europe and Asia tend to be very strict when it comes to male/female divisions, but not all cultures view gender the same way we do.
“Nobody has said trans-identifying men are raping women en mass. We don't need to. Even if it were only Karen White - the whom I didn't mention by the way - but the reason the likes of me harp on about him is because he is a very high profile case, widely covered in the media, easy to point to and the perfect illustration of what can happen as a result of institutional capture by gender ideology.”
so you are clearly worried about women being raped en masse, but don’t say it out oud.
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I was trying to say that Taln was right that the brains of trans people are more like the gender they identify as. I was responding to the TERF claiming what Taln said was wrong and “the usual canard”. I know it was the TERF saying that genitals are actually what determines gender, which I know is an old myth and based on black and white thinking. I’ll add that for clarification.
My favorite comment in response which I pinned below it came from a neuroscientist who said "you are spot on on this one the evidence shows that there are no consistent significant differences between female and male brains except for size. But even if there were correlation is not causation" - obviously - "neuroplasticity - a fancy word for the brain's capacity to change itself upon experience or training can shape brains functional networks"
Oh my. Do you really think accepting this as true supports your position on transgender women or gender in general? How amusing. So, I start out with a male body, my brain is the same as yours or can be trained to become like yours. After being on female hormones for a while and having my genitals surgically altered to become female, how am I different from you in any important way? At that point, men will either treat me the same way thet treat women or maybe treat me like a gay man depending on how well I pass and how transphobic they are. Certainly, even if I don't believe that *all* men would be creeps if I shared a locker room with them then, I know enough would to cause distress. Why shouldn't I get the same protection from "women-only" spaces that you do? Why should I live in fear of real harm to me because of your fear of imaginary harm? Or, why should *all* trans women be made to suffer because a very small number of us are jerks? Cis women can and sometimes do sexually assault other women, you know.
I find these "gender critical" people to be mind boggling. If gender isn't real, one should be more accepting of trans people, for fucks sake. One should be totally okay with all blurring of lines between the sexes, with gender nonconformance, with people who don't think of themselves as either women or men, with people who want to move from one side to the other. If the line is made up and doesn't mean anything, why is crossing it such a fucking problem? Why shouldn't I be able to express myself how I want if that means being a woman? Hey TERFs, have you ever thought to consider that maybe your ideas about a sharp divide between women and men that is such a necessary component of the story you tell yourself about the reasons women have been oppressed for centuries is actually incompatible with the notion that innate gender isn't a real thing?
I did a video on the trans brain bad argument and it's really rather good.
Would it include an actual study debunking any of the dozens of studies proving it?
Thought so.
neuroplasticity
the evidence shows that there are no consistent significant differences between female and male brains except for size
What does this anonymous neuroscientist think about studies which have found sex differences in brain anatomy in unborn infants mid-gestation? Such as this one, or this one. Or this one, which might honestly be the most interesting one as it had also differentiated the studied infants by their likelihood of having autism and found that sex differences were actually more pronounced among the infants with high chance of having it, which is a pretty interesting finding if I may say so. We are talking infants at 18 - 24 weeks of development, literally months away from being born, and yet, you can already see stuff like this. Amazing.
Neuroplasticity is certainly a thing, but, let’s get real, some of the stuff found in those types of studies would be nearly impossible for an ordinary person to do to themselves, certainly without professional supervision if they were even possible at all. This study for example found that multiple parts of the brains of gender dysphoric adolescents resemble more closely those of their desired gender over their asigned one, with GD girls even showing male-typical brain patterns during a visual/spatial memory exercise. I’m not sure if something like that could even be changed by a person, and even if it could, I extremely highly doubt that those adolescents would be capable of doing so to and by themselves, in addition to all of the other stuff mentioned in there. That’s not really something kids that age would spend time doing, to put it very mildly.
Oh, an anonymous neuroscientist made a Youtube comment agreeing with the TERFs? Well, I suppose that settles that, then. No way could that person be wrong or outright lying, no sir.
Nobody has said trans-identifying men are raping women en mass. We don't need to.
Yes, you do need to say that. Or, to give a more specific way of phrasing it (because “en mass” is kinda vague), you need to give a convincing argument that “gender ideology” makes rape more common than it otherwise would be. Otherwise, you’re acting like rape committed by trans women is worse than rape committed by cis men, and that’s transphobic.
Even if it were only Karen White - the whom I didn't mention by the way - but the reason the likes of me harp on about him is because he is a very high profile case, widely covered in the media, easy to point to and the perfect illustration of what can happen as a result of institutional capture by gender ideology.
“Even if it were only Karen White” is not a reasonable standard at all. Nobody can promise that a trans woman will never, ever rape a cis woman. That’s the kind of dumb, absolutist standard that allowed this woman to get off , because the incident contradicted their implicit assumption that mothers can do no wrong.
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