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I can't believe you're comparing child abuse to stealing a car. Or even to a murder. In terms of impact for the victim and family, of course being dead is worse than being raped. BUT in terms of what it takes to do that to another person, I can see a stupid kid, bad situation, drugs, guns, a momentary stupid decision, and someone's dead. But to molest a child they have to put in time to groom them, they have to look at that child's face and they have to then proceed to do sexual things, with a child. Same goes for rapists of adults and torturers.
I could never, ever be friends with a child molester, but someone who'd killed someone during an armed robbery and fully repented and was trying to make amends to the world, yes, I could be firends with them.

I am NOT comparing anything to anything:

Point IS: A CRIME IS A CRIME IS A CRIME....Ask ANY VICTIM of one.

Alienation is the quickest way to get them to re-offend. You want TWO {or more} victims instead of just one? Then Go ahead, alienate them.

NOT all put in your "time to groom them". SOme just do it anyway. On the spur of the moment. In haste.

And the robbery? planned {or groomed} just as well, not exactly a "momentary stupid decision, and someone's dead" as you put it: as the place was cased, time when least busy ascertained, when assumably most money to be in the drawer, and how the perp, once caught, bragged about "the hit". He NEVER "fully repented', as you put it. And murderers apparently are "highly regarded in prison" according to the "lock up" shows I've seen on TV...and often released into society without therapy and lessons on why their crime was bad.

Once time is served, and they are released, and been taught how it was wrong, then they can be on the road to better deeds...

~Ask the person whose car was stolen and wrecked by my friend, how he felt about "being violated" as it was stolen from the "safety of his own driveway" where he tought it/he was safe? {my firend was just "stupid", and he knows it}

~Ask the whole family whose member is now gone shot in the robbery how "violated we feel" for the fact she went to work and never came home and we had to plan a sudden tragic funeral.

~I was "home invaded" once, {meaning people at home when the robbery occurs, and in my case, held on the floor at knife point while others carted off my valuables} by a neighbor and some of his "friends"...You don't think I don't feel violated??? In the supposed "safety of my own home"? In the evening by someone I "knew" and thought I could "trust"???? I Could ALSO have been killed or seriously injured. He's been released by now, but I don't live in that state anymore.

SAME SAME for a vicitm of any crime! Violated is violated.

But the perps can be re-taught and offered to be a "changed" person.

I said IF they had: served their time, did their therapy, and learned their lesson {and granted some don't, but some DO}, AND hadn't committed any more in say 10-20 years, then yeah, I could be friends with them. I didn't say I wouldn't necessarily fully trust them with my kids alone necessarily. But I also don't trust I won't get robber again, either.

We release murderers after 20-25 years, how about other criminals? Of any type?

EVERYbody deserves the second chances we offer to parolees and to those who have served their time...regardless of the crime...as a crime is a crime is a crime.

I can forgive the home invaders, the robber, and my friend, why not others?

Its a "big man" or "big person" to forgive...but no one will forget...

I find it funny how few people see the obvious connection between sexual liberation (viewed as a good thing) and the increased sexual objectification of women (viewed as a bad thing). Now i know women have always been objectified, but today there's such an emphasis on 'being sexy', you have 10 year old girls trying to be sexy. Do some people, including feminists, want their want to have their cake and eat it to (i know stupid saying)? I mean if you wanna express your sexuality, fine, nothing against that, just don't act all prudish when men admire your assets, is all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's an invitation to rape, but you have to admit it promotes more lewd/animalistic behaviour, because thats our nature. Just look at music videos and porn being so mainstream...I'm not sure if I want to be a parent in this era...

[IDK. It sounds like your saying men aren't civilized and cant be expected to take responsibility for controlling their desires and actions therefore it is a woman's responsibility to suppress their own sexuality or its our fault if we are objectified.

While I agree our society has become more openly sexual I don't agree that it has increased the objectification of women. As you stated that has been going on since the beginning. If anything it has probably decreased the objectification and increased the empowerment as the naked female body is seen as less taboo.]

What does 'controlling their desires' mean though? If a man gets aroused at a woman in a bikini is that his fault? Now he can make the decision to force himself on her, but that would be wrong, but he'll still objectify her. That is just nature. But that's not even what I'm talking about. Women want to have sexual freedom, they like sex...yes, that's nothing new too...if they want to show off their body in such a sexual manner, have a lot of hook ups/be promiscuous, they have to expect men will lust after them, right? If they can accept that, then fine. The thing is, this will simply lead to self-worth being based more on looks and sexiness.

You seriously think women are less objectified now than in the past? Look at advertising, look at music videos, compare now and 100 years ago. One could argue that in some ways men respected women more 100 years ago, while in some ways they respected them less. It's a bit of both, but the sexual objectification is part of sexual liberation, whether we like it or not.

In that case women are objectified as much as ever. There are still women in beer commercial, Hooters girls, pretty but incompetent waitresses...it's not all one-sided, too...many women TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, so I get sick of women always thinking it's the man's fault for this happening...that's what I'm talking about.

Women say 'we don't wanna be objectified', but they flaunt their sexuality and USE it for their own purposes. Not ALL (obviously) but a lot. And pop culture and society promote this, 'you can use your sex appeal to get to the top,' 'if you've got it flaunt it' attitude. Now do you get it?