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PluribusDriver #homophobia #transphobia #wingnut #forced-birth memory-alpha.fandom.com

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But you have to remember that there are countless groups/minorities/under-privileged/under represented people that are NOT supported by those colors in the pride flag. The current colors are simply the "hot news item of the year", ie a current focus with a lot of support. In a parallel universe there's an Aborted Children flag on Memory Alpha (which, by the way, represents an extreme amount of unheard, under-privileged voices). There could be a parallel where Pedophiles are fighting for rights! As stated above, sure, the pride flag may tie into some Star Trek themes, and many here may love the "representation and support" they get in the Star Trek universe, but I still don't think it should be integrated into the logo for the entire wiki. I agree that removing it may offend some people, but by not removing it you're sort of offending the other half, right?

PluribusDriver #homophobia #transphobia #wingnut memory-alpha.fandom.com

Can we request to have the pride flag removed from the logo?

Sure, there are many different cultures and viewpoints in the world of Trek, but if someone wants to follow a faith, or exercise their innate differences, they usually do it with modesty, in private, or in sole company of others just like them. Odo is shy about his transformations and was always hesitant to shapeshift in public. Worf and Kira exercise their respective religions in the privacy of their own quarters or sanctuary. Data curbs his desire to quote time to the seconds place, and routinely attempts to fit in my adopting his crewmates' styles and mannerisms. Sisko keeps his African decorations in his own quarters and very rarely wore the garb when in someone else's company. Klingon "pride" celebrations were almost always strictly Klingon-only affairs.
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If you had a different viewpoint in Star Trek, you kept it to yourself, unless you were in command and could offer a solution to a problem based on your own outlook. Innate differences in the physical characteristics of the species were hard to hide, but you never saw anybody shoving those differences in people's faces (except when Laas decided to fog the entire promenade). During issues concerning the Prime Directive, which were often catalysts for drawing out the stronger emotions in the crew, it was always the Captain (and the Star Fleet rulebook, technically) who had the last say.
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Anyways, here's the TLDR: Pride flag is just that: a symbol of pride that was borne out of the warring communities of present-day Earth. It represents a divided world. United people don't need flags to broadcast their differences. A pride flag doesn't align with the visions of Gene Roddenberry or Starfleet. If you want to affix some sort of flag that embraces the spirit of Star Trek, you should perhaps design a world government flag which might represent a united world? Please remove the rainbow flag.

Gilgamesh de Uruk #transphobia #wingnut #racist memory-alpha.fandom.com

Diversity is a good thing, but it should never be done at the expense of any group of people. In the last 10 years there have been countless examples of a white character being race-swapped into a person of color, but I can't think of a single example of a race-swap in the opposite direction or a race-swap between two non-white races. That clearly shows bias against white people.

Trans people are not an oppressed minority. Yes, they have mental health problems and a much higher suicide rate than the general population. But otherwise, they are some of the most privileged people in Western society. In situations where one transwoman wants to use the women's locker room and a dozen women feel uncomfortable, the desire of the transwoman wins out every time. That's privilege. I'm in favor of equal rights for everyone, but participating in sporting competitions against the opposite sex is not a human right. Making irreversible bodily changes while still a child is not a human right either.

Canondorf108 #transphobia #dunning-kruger #quack memory-alpha.fandom.com

I think that it should be noted that not all gay people support the "intersectional" pride flag ("intersectionality" being a contentious ideology that many people believe is racist), or believe in pride parades, or are convinced that the trans issue really has anything to do with broader homosexuality. Some gays point out that trans surgery may be preventing adult homosexuals from ever discovering their sexuality, by administering treatment to them at a young age, before they can decide their path in life, with the experience of time. I would point out that removing healthy tissue from a person, for a purely psychological reason, could be a violation of the doctor's hippocratic oath, i.e. do no harm. I would also point out that administering drugs that stop a person ever undergoing puberty, likely sterilising them, preventing them from ever passing on their genes, or choosing at some future time, is a moral and ethical issue of considerable controversy.