If trans people existed through all of history and just sat back and watched what women went through & never bothered raising their heads above the parapet until we fought for and won our own rights, that narrative is one of abject cowardice and not worthy of respect.
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My apologies, I simply have no way to know where to even begin with how wrong this one is. They would never accept any evidence to the contrary, becuse they don’t want to be factually correct, they just want to call trans people names.
Do you actually know anything about what trans people there were in history? Course not, so I won't waste my research, except to say that the fact that men had more freedom and opportunities, means that those males who chose to live as women must have really seen themselves that way, while the passing women who lived as men, may have done so to take advantage of this.
Too bad none of you fuckheads have a time machine, so you could go back and check the biological origins of every female activist in history.
I’m not sure if OP is a white woman, but this just reminds me of the time Patricia Arquette got up on stage at the Oscars and said “we’ve done all this for everyone else bla bla bla now it’s time for everyone to fight for us!” Like women of color and women with disabilities and lesbians and trans women and bi women don’t exist and haven’t been working the whole fucking time…
Pointing out that first-wave feminism largely excluded non-white and lesbian/bi women (let alone trans people), and during second-wave feminism there was this weird contradictory duality of “trans people are weapons created by feminism to *destroy* traditional gender roles / trans people are weapons created by the patriarchy to *enforce* traditional gender roles” going on, and while trans people were helping out feminism when they could, outside of obscure gender-anarchist radfem circles they had to fight to even be allowed to.
This is an ahistorical take which presumes that trans people either didn’t meaningfully exist until the start of the 21st century (or whenever) or were completely hiding until then. In reality they have been semi-openly existing in the western world since at least the 1860s, it’s just that the general public kept erasing them and then forgetting they existed until it was semi-safe to get all up in people’s faces again.
I was aware that it wasn't a new phenomenon and part of human diversity, then that in some societies some people considered to be androgynous served special functions. But however ridiculous, a good thing is that the post made me reread a bit about it yesterday, as a result I'm hopefully a little less ignorant about it myself... Interesting how the Nazis contributed to obscurantism by burning the seminal academic research on the topic of the time.
Sorry, but this quote has to be one of the most while, disgusting shit I’ve ever seen.
Trans people have indeed existed throughout history, for example Alan Hart and Lili Elbe, born in 1890 and 1883 and the first individuals to get ftm and mtf reasignment surgery respectively.
Back in the days of the suffragettes, cross-dressing was a crime and a a trans-woman/man would be institutionalized or murdered.
Even today, trans people face high rates of violence, sexual abuse and poverty, more than the general population, so claiming trans people are “cowardly” is the most disgusting, vile statement ever.
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