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Infantrydort #crackpot #wingnut

“Darth Vader. The Balrog. Bane.
Different myths, same ancient warning: push something good far enough into the abyss and eventually the abyss answers back.”
Darth Vader was manipulated by the Evil Palpatine. he wasn’t pushed into the abyss, he was seduced by it.
IIRC, the Balrog was pretty much The Balrog from the beginning of time.

“We call these figures evil because we meet them at the end of the story. We forget to ask what furnace made them.”
Yoda made pretty clear how seductive the Dark Side can be.

“Humiliation.”
Nope. Anakin just took it personally that the Council had rules and they applied to him, too. Palpatine drove him to take it as humiliation…

“Betrayal.”
How dare they make me recognize that I’m not a Master…yet.

“Hatred. Loss. Years of being told to kneel while someone else mistakes restraint for weakness.”
Pretty sure everyone knew how powerful Anakin was… They never stopped fucking TALKING about how powerful he was.

“Eventually the wound stops bleeding and becomes armor.”
But the only thing wounded was Vader’s pride…

“That’s why these archetypes endure. They’re not merely monsters. They are consequence incarnate.”
But the Jedi Council did nothing wrong. They were destroyed because they were in Palpatine’s way, not a consequence of mistreating Anakin.
Gandalf was not the reason his cousin lived under Moria.

“The people who created them eventually stare into that face in horror, unable to recognize their own reflection.”
Nope. No one in the fellowship was responsible for the Balrog, no one on the council poisoned Anakin’s mind.
What you’re describing SHOULD have happened.
The whole time Palpatine was saying, “I will teach you the secret of defeating death.”
The INSTANT Vader took a step too far, killing Mace Windu, the story changed to ‘You and I, together, will find that secret.’
Right then and there, _I_ would have cut Palpatine into giblets. Talk about betrayal…

“The renewed obsession with Anakin isn’t just an internet phenomenon. Something far older stirring. Young western men are at the breaking point.”
Young men have always been at the breaking point.

“Because there’s a limit to what good men will absorb while remaining the men you remember. Keep digging greedily into the patience, dignity, families, faith, and livelihoods of people who wanted nothing more than to be left alone, and eventually you reach something beneath the stone.”
If you’re using Vader as an example, he’s more closely aligned with all the MAGAts who are becoming disillusioned by Bonespurs.
If you’re talking The Balrog, he’s more closely aligned to all the pedophiles that were already pedophiles when they signed on with Trump for their benefits.

"Be very careful what you spend years creating in the people you hate. One day, you may finally meet it.

That time is nigh”
Yes, yes, the liberals want everyone to have health care, decent living wages, and personal respect. Those bastards need to pay for making me feel less than manly.

TheJesusMushroom #pratt #fundie #dunning-kruger

In my caravan, the lights and heating run off the mains, but won't actually work unless a battery is installed, even though the power outlets do.

I can recognise that is a design that could be better without having the know-how to rewire the entire thing.

Infantrydort #crackpot #wingnut

It's canon: If it weren't for liberal persecution, none of the Maiar would have become a Balrog

Rebekah and Gabriel Anast #fundie

“Many times as a child I remember standing at Dad’s side when he would go into a gas station to prepay fuel. If the station carried pornography, Dad would scrape his money back off of the counter and tell the cashier that he could not buy gas there because he just noticed they promoted rape and child molestation.”
Okay. Thanks for your input, good luck with the next gas station.

“The cashier would look shocked, and Dad would point at the porn magazines behind him.”
I’m guessing ‘confused’ would be a better description.

“The cashier ALWAYS looked guilty and ashamed.”
Sure, he did. I believe you. Memory is such a solid and inerrant human trait.

“He would glance at us kids; we would all be looking at him with suspicious shock”
If this happened multiple times, just how shocked could you really be?

“(are you a child molester???)”
Hey, your DAD is the one who sees child molestation everywhere he looks.

“before we turned and walked out.”
Okay.

Kent Hovind #fundie

BlackChocoboSox #fundie

“but yet God punishes and condemns those that kill others so are Government's to believe they are more forgiving then god?”
No, but God has absolute knowing of guilt. Our level is ‘beyond reasonable doubt,’ which is not absolute. So there’s still a non-zero chance that the judged-guilty are innocent, or that there are extenuating circumstances or whatever. We’re not more forgiving as much as aware of our limitations.
Also trials where they seek the ‘death penalty’ are WICKED expensive. All the I’s you have to cross and the T’s you need to dot, the time spent on the jury selection, the double- and triple-checking of evidence. Much cheaper to ask for a life in prison.

“If it were God's decision he'd have someone condemned to damnation instantly, but yet a political system allows its subordinates and citizen's to run free with the abominable slaughter of another human being?”
Nothing stops God from condemning a murderer the instant he commits the crime, killing him on the spot and sending him straight to Hell.
if he’s letting them run around until mortal forces of law can arrest them, that’s part of God’s plan, then.

TheJesusMushroom #pratt #fundie #dunning-kruger

I don’t think they’ll appreciate that during the original time of the Hebrews (i.e. pre-Christianity and pre-contact-with-Zoroastrianism), El seems to have been regarded as “just” suprapotent and suprascient—no omni- in consideration.

White House X account #dunning-kruger #wingnut

They are the five elders. And Benjamin Netanyahu is IMU.

Ken #fundie

“Space is water.”
No, it’s not. We know where rain comes from and it’s NOT trap doors in the sky that God opens up for the Waters Above…

“Water has mass.”
Yes it does.

“Therefore space has mass.”
Nope. Space /= water.

“The so called mythical book, according to evolutionist, that we call the bible gave us the information needed to prove the theory of evolution, which was to come, was false.”
In Hell you’ll spend eternity diagramming that sentence.
And Genesis does not disprove evolution because Genesis describes Earth as an inside-out snowglobe. Water above, water below, a flat plane for some mud pies that are the continents, and the sun/moon/stars inside the solid sky.
It disproves nothing because it’s a load of horseshit.

“How is that for a prediction?”
Pretty lousy, really. A ‘prediction’ would be foreknowledge, not you reinterpreting scripture in the face of modern knowledge.

“God does know all things!”
Except when Figs are in season…

TheJesusMushroom #pratt #fundie #dunning-kruger

Even though rats also breathe and eat through the same orifice, they can survive at least a partial airway blockage because when it happens their body automatically produces a ton of saliva which lubricates the item and that makes it much easier to get it out. Therefore, there is something out there that is ‘designed better’ but I doubt this dude would accept that rats are better designed than humans (although all rat parents know this to be completely and totally true).

John Piper #fundie

"I have ten words of counsel for persons who are not married but who have to deal with sexual desires.”
Okay.

"… they are intended to help you preserve your freedom from any enslavement but God’s.”
Oh.

“ Masturbation does not solve sexual pressure for very long,”
I don’t need it to be long, i just need it to last until i get home again.

“it tends to become habitual,”
Maybe. I mean, when I was wired to monitor my heart i had no trouble abstaining because I didn’t want nurses rushing in in the middle…

"it produces guilt,”
Huh? No it doesn’t. if you’re feeling guilt, it’s not the masturbation that’s creating it.

“and it contradicts the God-given design of sexuality.”
So does a woman saying ‘no,’ apparently.

"2. …Where the permanent commitment that characterizes marriage is missing, caressing becomes depersonalized manipulation; it turns the other’s body into a masturbation device to get a private physical thrill.”
No, it really doesn’t. Sex with my girlfriend was WAY better than masturbation and that was BECAUSE I did not depersonalize her.

"God made us in such a way that if we try to turn that moment of touching into a personal, spiritual expression of love, we are not able to do it without making promises of faithfulness.”
Um, if this were true, you wouldnot have to offer ten words of advice on how to not have sexual feelings. It just wouldn’t work until after marriage.

"3. Avoid unnecessary sexual stimulation.”
Oh! You’re one of those guys that doesn’t fully wipe after a bowel movement because it’s too gay to touch your own anus!

“4. When the stimulation comes and the desire starts to rise, perform a very conscious act of transfer onto Christ.”
Um, no. Wouldn’t you then get a hard-on every time you passed a painting or statue of the Christ?

"5. Pray that God would give you, in ever-increasing strength, a longing to know and love and obey him above all else.”
Dude, if you’re a REAL Christain, the bible says you won’t even be tempted to sin. This is begging what’shisname to cheat.

“6. Bathe your mind in God’s word.”
Then it’s like listening to AM radio, i just spend my time shouting rebuttals…

“7. Keep yourself busy, and when it is time for leisure, choose things that are pure, lovely, gracious, excellent, worthy of praise (Philippians 4:8).”
Sounds like sex, to me.

“8. Don’t spend too much time alone. Be with Christian people often.”
Barf emoji here.

"It is not easy to fantasize about a person if you think about the eternal torment they may shortly be suffering in hell because of their unbelief.”
This isn’t true. Some of us really like to think about what the demon in tight leather is going to do with that flaming whip…

“10. Resolve to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and he will add to you everything you need sexually.”
Yuck.

Dan Bongino #wingnut

@TheKingOfRhye #268972

The tweets that Trump actually writes himself are almost always in all caps and are posted in the middle of the night. Otherwise I believe that they are written by Stephen Miller, and this also could very well have been written by him. I think he’s taken on a lot of duties in the Republican Party since everyone ideologically sane has run away screaming.

TheJesusMushroom #pratt #fundie #dunning-kruger

@Timjer #268989

Probably just as well. He didn’t answer WHY the two pipelines are shared, just challenged you to do better? And will probably dismiss anything ‘better’ with ‘god must have had a reason.’

JacobB #fundie

“We don't put falsehoods into the encyclopedia.”
Followed immediately by a falsehood?

“Hitler practiced the theory of evolution;”
Hitler had Darwin’s books burned in those bonfires, bubbles. THis is just a ‘lie,’ as the kids say these days.

“any evolutionist who does not support Hitler may be morally admirable but lacks the courage of their convictions.”
No, pretty sure that NOT SUPPORTING HITLER is a positive output from my convictions.

"Terrorism is not the practice of religious fundamentalism, it is the practice of a very specific kind of Islamic fundamentalism - there is a difference.”
So, the IRA is Muslim?
Timothy McVeigh, a Muslim fundie?
Jan 6 was all Muslims?
I have the doubts…

JustAnotherGuy #sexist

TheJesusMushroom #pratt #fundie #dunning-kruger

“ok if its such a bad design, design something better fits every other parameter of life. lets see what you are better at than evolution”
Whales.
They breathe through a completely different hole than they eat.
Done.

And I don’t have to improve on evolution. I merely question YOUR use of the words ‘perfect’ and ‘design.’
Evolution’s design process is trial and elimination.
God’s supposed to be omniscient and knew EXACTLY how many kids would choke on grapes…and did fuck-all about it?

White House X account #dunning-kruger #wingnut

A more appropriate anime is “Code Geass”.

You should remember what happened to Charles zi Britannia in that, Don Old Fart.

The Democrat Straw Hat Pirates will bring down your Repubican ‘World Government’, OPs.

JustAnotherGuy #sexist

TheJesusMushroom #pratt #fundie #dunning-kruger

Well, as Kitzmiller vs. Dover ensured that (Intelligent) Design fell apart you’ll never be able to evolve a brain to figure out why you’re wrong OP.

@Timjer has the evolved brain, though.

I could have argued further. But considering “Jesus on Shrooms” is dodging my question every time and putting words into my mouth, I figured it wasn’t worth giving it more attention.

Hamza Zjajic #fundie

“People who believe in the "fake spinning globe" are retarded”
Um, you just insulted all the Flat Earthers, you realize, right?
I mean, _I_ believe in a “spinning globe.”
You would call it fake, thus say that I ‘believe in a fake “Spinning Globe.”
The way you wrote it, the subject of belief is that the rotating oblate spheroid is false. putting ‘fake’ in the quotes refers to you guys, not me.

And that’s MIGHTY challenged, mentally.

“and very simple people.”
Says the guy who calls himself retarded.

“They don't have any critical sense, because it's to complex for their brain to understand simple logic.”
I dunno about logic, but I understand grammar a lot better than you do.

Liz Hensley #fundie

“What megalomaniacs we are to think God should only answer Human prayers!”
That’s not megalomania. We invented him, he works for us.

"We cannot say at this point in time, if a person dies of TB that prayer did not work, for maybe in their own primitive way the TB germs were also praying.”
Save me Tuberculosis Jesus?
But… Um, if a person dies of TB, then the germs in that person die, too.
IF god answers the prayer of TB germs, then they would live inactively in the patient, not aggressively.

"We just don't know these things yet.”
And yet, the fact remains that the TB victim, and their family, who prayed to God for a cure, went unanswered.

WE CAN SAY that PRAYER DID NOT WORK for AUNT DONNA. Because the TB killed her and THOSE prayers were ineffective. God having a reason to not answer THOSE prayers is indistinguishable from there NOT BEING A GOD to answer them positively.

ElDoorO #sexist

I don't treat them any different than I do friends that I pressure to drink.

Well, pressuring your friends to drink is kind of a shitty thing to do anyway.

We're both going to get plastered, I'll proposition her.

I see one problem with that…either you’re getting her more drunk than you’re getting, which sounds like you’re taking advantage of her (unless you both know that that’s what’s going on and consent to it), or you’re both “plastered” and you probably got a case of “whiskey dick” at that point. Hey, that happens, I’ve been there myself, LOL.

JustAnotherGuy #sexist

"In my experience, but I am a guy, if I were to ask those questions, seem that unsure of myself, I would probably still be a virgin.”
How horrible a fate. Making ABSOLUTELY SURE that it’s consensual might decrease the number of notches on your bedpost.
You could maybe phrase it a bit differently?
“I’m okay with you not being ready. Not saying I won’t be disappointed, but i don’t want you to think I’m a frat-bro or a White House Appointee.”

“Date rape, by my definition,”
If it’s too complicated for you, sweetie, just define ‘rape.’
If you have sex and she did not consent, it’s rape.

"If she passes out… I don’t know that this would qualify as ‘rape’”
If she cannot consent then she did not consent, see the above.

“Second thoughts the morning after does not a rape make.”
Maybe it’s not ‘second’ thoughts, though. What if it’s ‘sober’ thoughts?

"Many women say no during the negotiations of sex to hold out that ‘pure’ image they want to portray.”
Oh, fuck you. If she says no, she says no. Any other trappings that limit his culpability is just rape culture being active.

"But I don’t think there is anything wrong with continuing to try to persuade after a ‘no’.”
Scroll back up where you’re afraid that saying ‘no pressure’ will limit your sexual encounters. Fuck you with an overcharged cattle prod and conductive lube.

“I think there is a ‘No’ (you are doing it wrong, try again)
and a ‘NO!’ (I don’t want to have sex with you.)”
And you worry about being accused of rape the morning after. Shocking.

White House X account #dunning-kruger #wingnut

“Hey, ‘member all them times we done violated an artist’s copyright by usin’ their music without permission, or even when permission was denied?”

“I sure do! Buncha libtard babies, not wantin’ their works associated with a fascist populist moron. Why d’ya ask?”

“No reason. I love how we have no pattern recognition, and don’t learn lessons!”

Consistent Thinker #elitist

White House X account #dunning-kruger #wingnut

This is just terribly in line with the kakistocracy.
They don’t know enough about a fiction to use it accurately, they can only offend the actual fandom, but they paint themselves as the heroes.
Their own fans, who know nothing about One Piece, eat it up, same as any other attempt to make Trump look like a hero. But they’re already drinking the kool-aid. This does nothing to increase Mango-Hitler’s popularity.
Just people’s ire…

Rupert Sheldrake/Overclassified #crackpot #ufo #magick

“The chilling implication is that consciousness was never ours to begin with and something far older has been shaping it from outside the skull.”

Naw.
I rest my skepticism of this narrative on having been shore patrol in a liberty port. If consciousness were outside of our skulls, then why would it be subject to intoxicants? Guys pour pollutants into their brains and they do dumb shit.
And it’s not just motor skills. I could buy that an external consciousness had trouble making drunk hands hold a beer or making dance steps possible.
But drunks change in more ways than slurred speech and clumsy grips. Guys who hate being the center of attention are on the stage doing the chicken dance. Guys who love and respect their wives flirt with the waitresses. Calm and rational men pick fights with that ugly troll in the mirror. And guys married for over 30 years HAVE simply HAVE to call their wife at 0200 hours (HER time) and express their love and respect and barf on the payphone… And guys who make speeches about what a horrible industry fast food is, and how offensive Taco Bell is to Mexican culture, will wake up in the morning with two and a half drive-through burritos on their pillow.
I can’t see an external consciousness choosing these alterations because the brain biochemistry is impaired.

State of the Nation/Ron DeSantis #crackpot #wingnut #conspiracy

It’s as though they are convincing the reader that they all went down with the ship.

Well yeah. I saw the footage from someone’s dashcam. Horrifying really. Unfortunately, I don’t need any convincing to believe that nobody who was on that plane made it out alive.

Dan Bongino #wingnut

“Her mom runs an ad saying, for Vivek's team, saying my daughter's a liar, like don't vote for her”
Yes, Dan. At a time when the world can see this administration’s efforts to protect suspected (and blatant) pedophiles, Vivek runs an ad where a pedophile’s wife not only supports the pedophile, but calls his victim a liar.
Good optics. He definitely reflects Trump’s aesthetic right now. WHile GOP candidates are praying to GOD that voters suffer a stroke and can’t remember Epstein, Vivek resurrects an ancient accusation which was credible enough for indictments. People will vote as if Trump is on the ballot…

White House X account #dunning-kruger #wingnut

As a One Piece fan, I am offended. Trumpigula and co are LITERALLY the very tyrants the MCs of One Piece fight against on a regular basis.

In the world of OP, Trump wouldn’t in any way be a badass, freedom-loving, anti-authoritarian pirate like Luffy or Whitebeard or Rocks or Shanks or Roger. No, he’d be one of the World Nobles/Celestial Dragons, the entitled, slaving, aristocratic rules of the despotic World Government who believe themselves gods to such a degree, they literally wear helmets to avoid breathing the same air as “commoners”.

Vic Biorseth #wingnut #racist #sexist #conspiracy

A dictatorship, in other words, in mirror image of all Communist nations.
They also call for abolishing police and abolishing prisons.

Yeah, because if there’s one thing that communist nations and/or dictatorships are known for, it’s their lack of police and prisons! [/sarcasm]

State of the Nation/Ron DeSantis #crackpot #wingnut #conspiracy

Joann Weinstein Erfer #psycho

It was the Palestinians who attacked a music festival, killing and raping Israelis.

It was Hamas who did that (and make no mistake, what Hamas did was atrocious). And not all Palestinians support hamas, especially not after all that. If “Bibi” really wanted to get rid of Hamas only, he would stop targetting Palestinian civilians and just offer them support in exchange for ratting out Hamas or something… But this, this is just ouright genocide.

It’s the same reason why, despite the horrors Russia is inflicting upon Ukraine and the (smaller) terrors upon the rest of the EU, I still do not support an all out war of extermination with them. Too many Russian civilians suffering under Putin’s dictatorship would be hurt even more. No, the best strategy IMO is to just need to keep hitting their economy, oligarchs, military targets, and resources to force more and more people to stand up to Putin. Hopefully ending this without escalation.

LouiseEbertFeet #moonbat #racist #conspiracy

…and in the Londoners’ defence, proto-Fascism was tried there.

Fortunately, Londoners defended their capitol city when Oswald Mosley tried having ideas above his station there and his Browntrousers were chased out of that city after the Battle of Cable Street.

Why did Nige FaRAGE’s Refrom UK lose a by-election in London weeks ago…?!

Rupert Sheldrake/Overclassified #crackpot #ufo #magick

@Malingspann #268917

And then he said…
…Elvis really died in 2000.

As K said to J in “Men In Black”… “Elvis is not dead, he just went home!”

Dan Bongino #wingnut

There were Republicans outraged about Vivek Ramaswamy, Republican running for governor in Ohio, running an ad where his opponent's mom, Amy Acton, communist running for governor in Ohio, a complete loser.

Did Donald Trump secretly write this? Because it sounds just about that stupid.

You know what, Dan? There are lots of people who’ve been sexually assaulted and/or raped whose families didn’t believe them. It happened to me, it happened to all of my friends, and it happened to a cousin. It’s so prevalent to disbelieve women in general, and all victims including men and even children that when someone says they’ve been raped that society doesn’t recognize it as the problem it is. This rape culture in action, Dan.

Paul Craig Roberts #racist #wingnut #conspiracy

@Malingspann #268915

Yeah but those don’t count because they… something something… ‘refused to assimilate’ and because they weren’t willing to give up what PCR thinks of as their ‘primitive’ *culture and language.

Yes, I’m saying it that way on purpose. I know there are multiple extremely different cultures, but people like this asshole rarely do. And I know that the languages spoken in the Americas were so diverse that there were not just five languages but five entire language families.

Joann Weinstein Erfer #psycho

It was the Palestinians

No. It was some Palestinians, from a particular group. By the same logic, all Israeli citizens would be responsible for the war crimes committed by Tsahal. I am not sure OP would like where that train of thought leads.

State of the Nation/Ron DeSantis #crackpot #wingnut #conspiracy

To be fair to DeSantis, which is more than he deserves, the gist of his speech was that the plane was descending so fast, at such a steep angle that it might as well have been a missile. He did not actually say it was one.

As for the rest, we got the names of the victims, so, another domino falling down in his conspiracy.

Vic Biorseth #wingnut #racist #sexist #conspiracy

All religions are not the same. All cultures are not the same. All ideologies are not the same. All people are not good.

I agree. The three major monotheistic religions have shown over and over again that they are a detriment to humanity, a blight on cultures worldwide. Christianity, in particular, has subsumed the original European cultures, leaving us with bastardised versions where churches parasitise society to ensure their control and their wealth. Their enablers, like OP, are collaborators in a fight against humanity and those who want to control human behaviour and thoughts.

LouiseEbertFeet #moonbat #racist #conspiracy

“racism isn’t necessarily proto-fascist”

oh that’s convenient for someone who proclaims themselves a leftist/communist while espousing just outright racism against a whole bunch of ethnic groups, some of which you call “proto-fascist” is due to them opposing and or victimized by the Soviet Union to some extent or just adopting outright antisemitic bullshit as a means to “defend” Palestine.

Rhine101 #sexist

Even on Wikipedia I commonly see pundit propaganda described as "has written about ... debate" rather than "has promoted ...". Do you examine rape culture or promote it?

You're still blaming your potential victims that supposedly would deserve it for being attractive or for not dressing the way you demand. What about makeup, is it evidence of a "slut looking for it" too?

That's also a subjugation wish, you'd like to control them. Well, rape is also a crime involving abusive control. For that reason, it's not only the most fertile or desirable women who are victims of it, it also happens to grandmothers and little girls, of all looks, despite your excuses to try to subjugate them.

It's just like the old wolf and witch stories to scare children... and in patriarchy women are commonly treated as children too, even if they really must face the burden of housekeeping. It's like if for some reason you want slaves, not partners. You don't want a friend who can inspire you either, you want an ass and a pawn that's somehow worthless if it's not yours, your property. It tells more about you than about women.

Vic Biorseth #wingnut #racist #sexist #conspiracy

Rupert Sheldrake/Overclassified #crackpot #ufo #magick

New age syncretic pseudoscientific religion. Conspiracy theory traditions are integrated and the angels and ancestor spirits of old become interdimensional UFOs...

Just like with supernatural beings stories, he convinces himself of the ridiculous claims about the ETs. And like for older spiritualists, what he can't explain in the extraordinary claims somehow becomes "physical evidence", it "operate on principles science cannot explain"...

To cope with the fear of death and the lack of evidence for other deities, "consciousness" must be outside brains and the Sun must be alive and conscious.

Only, yes, science does attempt to explain such human traditions and fantasies. But it doesn't waste much time with the untenable metaphysics of the claims. And while neurology doesn't fully explain consciousness, the correlates and the evidence are strong that it's a product of minds and meat brains. The same with psychedelics.

"Morphic resonance" is not science, just woo for the old "telepathy".

The last two sentences, a loaded question and the conclusion he would like us to accept uncritically, a doctrine and a hasty conclusion. Science doesn't work that way either, it just follows the actual leads, it doesn't begin with fantastic conclusions. So religion and mythology "to the rescue".

Oh, and I also smell business here. But again, it's not the business of science. I suggest #mammon :)

Eduardo Moreno #conspiracy

Did you at least, as a civic service, expose those who pushed the fear mongering disinformation that radicalized you into conditioned psychosis? How about trying to repair the damage to society of such extremism by awareness campaigns? How is it that in your head, it was supposed to be some government plot to "take over"? Take over what, wasn't it the government? How were a few public health temporary measures to become the end of the world for you? Most normal people survived them fine, those who died during the pandemic were usually victims of the virus itself... It's like drug addiction, if you've learned anything from your lesson, maybe that you could be useful to society instead of trying to destroy it.