Oh, also… while this thread may be getting old, I figure I might as well also address the quote itself. *snerk*
(Andre Vltchek)
US& EU destroyed the greatest European country in front of my eyes.
No, honey. Yugoslavia destroyed Yugoslavia. We began having wars with each other before any Western intervention or “lies” about war crimes, remember?
In fact, back in 1991 the initial impulse of the West — including both the European Economic Community (EEC) and, yes, the United States — actually was to preserve Yugoslavia if at all possible. Even as that was failing and Slovenia and Croatia declared independence in June 1991, the Western powers were hoping to put a stop to the war that was starting, and argued for a three-month moratorium to making the independence a reality. Croatia and Slovenia agreed to that.
Even as the moratorium expired in early October 1991 and the two countries formalized their independence from Yugoslavia, the West was reluctant to agree to their international recognition — particularly of Croatia, where the war had gotten hot. While Germany favored a quick recognition, France and the UK didn’t (but ultimately went along with Germany after December). Still, the EEC countries decided to postpone making a decision on recognition for another two months. Western European countries started officially recognizing Croatia in mid-December 1991, and the EEC as a whole officially did so on 15 January 1992, as did much of the rest of Europe plus Canada.
Guess who didn’t recognize us by that time?
Yep, the United States, the very *ahem* evil beating heart of Western imperialism which was so dying to break Yugoslavia apart, according to people like you!
The USA only recognized Croatia in April 1992, which, by the way, is two months after Russia. Yes, after Russia, the country which is proverbially known as Serbia’s “big brother” and greatest traditional friend!
Here in #Yugoslavia, quarter of century ago I grasped lies of Western Empire. And its terror. US& EU destroyed the greatest European country in front of my eyes. Spreading lies about #Srebrenica etc. Then, butcher #BillClinton presided over mass murder in #DRCongo and #Yugoslavia
Sooo you’re a genocide denialist, because of course you are.
By the way, even if we deny that the genocide label is appropriate for the Srebrenica massacre, Serbia doesn’t deny the massacre itself, or that Bosniak men were targeted. Their parliament passed a resolution recognizing the massacre and apologizing for it in 2010. And in 2013, Serbia’s president at the time, Tomislav Nikolić, officially apologized for Srebrenica. And he’s an actual wingnut. (note though that Serbia’s record regarding dealing with Srebrenica is nevertheless less than wholesome overall)
Wanna hear something even better?
The Republic of Srpska, which is the Serb entity that covers half of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s territory and whose forces committed the massacre in 1995, apologized even earlier than Serbia — its government and president did so already in 2004.
It should be noted, though, that the Republic of Srpska only did so reluctantly and under international pressure, and has been kind of going back and forth regarding their stance on the massacre. They’d rather deny it and keep the whole thing quiet, but it’s a matter too big to ignore.
Nevertheless, whatever their feelings on the matter, the RS authorities do officially recognize that the massacre happened.
So, Andre, why don’t you, hmmm?
As for “mass murderer” Bill Clinton, here are the facts:
Operation Allied Force, AKA the NATO bombing of FR Yugoslavia in 1999, resulted in about 500 civilian casualties according to Human Rights Watch, as well as up to 1200 soldiers killed on the Yugoslav side during a period of two and a half months. That, by the way, is nowhere near the civilian casualties of just the Srebrenica massacre (almost 8400 Bosniak men over the course of 11 days).
You also don’t mention the context, which is that the NATO operation was in direct response to ongoing war crimes in Kosovo and to the failure of peace talks with the Yugoslav leadership.
Let’s move on to the other posts.
(DickFeynman)
my understanding is that yugoslavia potentially had a very bright future, possibly becoming a powerhouse in the area that would have easily come to rival the french, german and british. size, infrastructure, strength of will (historical context and wars), etc. were more than ok.
LOL
Just LOL
You’re delusional, mate.
Even just size-wise, Yugoslavia had only 20 million people before the breakup in 1991, while France and the UK had about 60, and Germany 80 million. Not to mention how these other countries had a head start and were significantly economically stronger in general.
(Andre Vltchek)
Definitely! And on top it was socialist/Communist and 'democratic'
Heh, I notice even you put quote marks around ‘democratic’. I wonder why… ;)
(Azria #ANDIMIZ)
Until my Czech husband told me the truth about it and talked to a couple of Serbian friends, I also thought there was a horrendous massacre in srebrenica.MSM brainwashed everyone around the world that there was. It is really sad and frustrating what happened to your country
So you base your knowledge of history on listening to a couple of randos who told you some stories? Sounds solid!
(Andre Vltchek)
For all those years I could not return to #Serbia. Just thinking abut what #NATO did to it was breaking my heart. Now I am back. And I will write about what I know!
Really? Serbian citizens had to live with the consequences of the bombardment and do the rebuilding afterwards, while you were so emo about it that you couldn’t even visit for years, despite not even having lived in the country or having lost family there?
Drama queen, much?
(Paula Paalu)
It's a beautiful country. Still truly multicultural unlike neighboring ultra-nationalist ex-Yugoslavian states. And then Kosovo, terrible place, drug dealers, gangsters, hookers, casinos, whorehouses, corruption right from the border. Kosovo represents Western "democracy".
LOL
Hun, if you think that Serbia is less nationalist than its neighbors, then you don’t know much about Serbia.
And if you want to hear about how wonderfully multicultural and lovely it is, go ahead and ask the proper arbiters of such things — the minorities.
The Albanians and Bosniaks, in particular. >:)
As for Kosovo, wow. Have you actually been there, or just listened to some rando friend from Serbia like that other fool above?
I won’t deny that Kosovo has a crime problem, it sure does, but…
Wait…
Do you mean North Kosovo? The Serb part that refuses to acknowledge Kosovo’s independence and is controlled by Serbia?
Because that’s a place which has a *really* huge issue with crime. See, that’s what can happen when you have an area that’s in a legal limbo: unrecognized, wanting to be part of a country it cannot really join while refusing to interact with a country it can’t afford to fully cut ties with, while the former country (Serbia) effectively controls its politics and supports local leaders who are… well… pretty much mafia in many cases. (not that there aren’t Albanian leaders in Kosovo proper who are like that…)
Nowadays, North Kosovo is sometimes nicknamed Švercerlend, meaning Smugglerland. Lack of proper law enforcement (partly due to the territory’s murky international position) enables vast quantities of, shall we say, questionable import-export business.
By the way, out-of-control crime is also a problem in Serbia proper, where in recent years there was a wave of murders related to the drug mafia.
All in all, you are a bunch of authoritarian wankers who don’t have much of a clue about the countries that you’re either simping for or railing against. There’s no spin you won’t go for as long as it serves your ass-backwards ideology.
