@Bunninsula do you understand that some animals can’t eat lettuce?
@theotheseaeagle There's actually no proof of this, but if there was, it wouldn't change anything. If an animal has to violate others to live, then it shouldn't live.
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How far would this go? A lot of omnivores can get by on very little meat and without killing anything so long as there’s something for them to scavenge, but they’ll still kill things for food given the opportunity, good luck trying to change their instincts. Even some larger herbivores (deer in particular are notorious for this) have been known to kill smaller animals for their bones because they need lots of calcium.
I suspect whatever’s left would mostly just be the animals with explosive breeding rates because most of them are eaten by predators before they can reproduce, imagine what an environmental catastrophe that would be.
If an animal has to violate others to live, then it shouldn't live.
Wow. Tell us you have no understanding of ecology without telling us you have no understanding of ecology.
“There's actually no proof of this,”
“If an animal has to violate others to live, then it shouldn't live.”
You know this will, for one thing, demand the death of every single whale on the planet, right?
So the basic fact that most life requires varying levels of predation on other forms of life to continue surviving - including parasitic and carnivorous plants - is absolutely abhorrent to you but the conscious decision to engage in the extermination of life not for sustenance or defense against a threat or competitor for resources but by mere existence simply offends your sensibilities that is somehow moral to you...
Biological needs and survival are no reason to kill but killing for the sake of killing is fine.
That is not a mode of thought that makes sense on any level.
If an animal has to violate others to live, then it shouldn't live
Try and persuade a certain animal to eat lettuce: a puma. One that has tasted human blood. Now violate its right to live with what you have: just hands. Said puma has claws & teeth.
You do the maths, Bun-bun.
Even if you argue that the extermination of countless lifeforms and the collapse of all ecosystems would be the lesser evil to the long-term suffering that would be prevented by eliminating predation… predation WILL evolve again. Especially since herbivores are not vegetarians and will at times gladly eat not just carrion but even life animals. It is just a spectrum of food specailisation. not an ethical stance.
These vegan fanatics are among the most frighteningly megalomanic and hybristic in their goals, second only to incels who want to take out all life out of their own misery. It is most fortunate that these goals are so hopelessly beyond unfeasible that they do not actually pose any realistic threat.
@Bastethotep #167006
I have a feeling they want mortality itself to be abolished, mind. I just hope they remember to sharply curtail fertility in the process.
Think we should poke around for how many of them adhere to Gnosticism? Even more severe versions than Valentinian, at that.
@JeanP #167050
With our luck, they’ll claim that’s proof yes proof that Nature itself has been horribly corrupted away from its Mother’s intentions of sheer deathlessness even before the first mass extinction, but ones like them are here to undo Ialdabaoth’s wickedness that error. Perhaps a sense that no loving being would tolerate mortality in their plans?
Still, let’s see what happens when they’re apprised that plants seem to have their own sort of sentience. Very alien and a bit limited compared to animal sentience, yes, but still there. Even unto some species having a sort of learning capacity…
What about a creature that wants to violate others, when they don't have to do it to live. Like you, who could live on vegetables and tofu and leave our fellow creatures alone!
I think such a creature should be sentenced to damnatio ad bestias.
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