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This is a long discussion after the OP. Follow the link to see fundie vs not-so-fundie.

Claim: It is not haram to have homosexual thoughts

This claim is an apologetic one; and it seeks to come to a compromise with homosexuals and their lewdness along with the West and how they promote it and seek to have it accepted and part of the culture.

However, there is no compromise on a subject that the Quran and the Sunnah have already made clear. Thus, the claim that it is not haram to have homosexual thoughts and that one is not considered a sinner until he acts upon it is false. This is the same as saying it is not haram to be gay until you act on it.

It is clear that homosexuality is nothing but a perversion and a disease. There are numerous verses in the Quran about it and how it is referred to as “Al-Fahishah” (Lewdness, an abomination, a vile deed).

“And know that Allah knows what is in your minds, so fear Him”

[al-Baqarah 2:235]

“but He will call you to account for that which your hearts have earned”

[al-Baqarah 2:225].

It is also clear that homosexuality begins as nothing but waswas from the Shaytan. We know that Shaytan and his troops are behind every evil on earth; they entice mankind to commit evil and they beautify shamelessness to them, and that is especially in regards to acts of lewdness in society; so why do we separate Shaytan and his effect on people turning gay? Why do we ignore it and indirectly agree with the kuffar’s claim that homosexuality is a natural cause by saying thinking about it is not haram but only acting upon it is?

With the fact established that homosexuality starts as nothing but waswas from the Shaytan (convincing a person that he likes men or women), it is wajib on a person to repel waswas from his mind and evil thoughts as much as he can. If a person watches pornography, lives in a society where they see homosexuality as normal, doesn’t lower his gaze from looking at the ‘awrah of men and women; then he gets waswas from the devil saying that he likes men; and instead of repelling these evil thoughts, he dwells on them and accepts them; and eventually, he convinces himself that he doesn't like women but he likes men, then the source of the problem is very clear. The means to homosexuality and zina must be cut off, and that includes dwelling upon thoughts regarding them.

As for waswas a person cannot help or just passing thoughts that he does not dwell upon, yes, a person will not be held accountable and there is evidence for that. However, if this happens to someone, he is not considered gay. So a person cannot use this as evidence to say it is not haram to be gay until you act on it. He is only considered gay when he dwells on those thoughts and he accepts that he is not attracted to women, which leads him to act upon it.

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We are judged by our actions and not our thoughts (as long as we don’t dwell on them). If someone is gay but doesn’t act on it, then how can you say it’s haram? You can’t, because their feelings are not a sin and they didn’t act on it. . . . .

So it’s not an apologetic attitude to have and Muslims really need to do better when faced with these issues, because condemning gay people when they haven't even done anything is stupid and will hurt you and them in the long run.

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I say it is haram because he got waswas from the Shaytan and he didn’t repel them. Instead, he dwelt on those thoughts and accepted that he does not like women. For him to accept he does not like women, it is the same as accepting that Allah made him that way. This is the same as saying Allah made him inclined to al-Fahishah. If it is not natural, then it is from the Shaytan. So he must repel the waswas.

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I want to say this is a separate post because it obliterates your claim completely:

You claim that being gay is okay until you act on it. That is the same as saying being an atheist inwardly is okay. Both atheism and homosexuality go against the natural disposition, both of them are from the Shaytan, and both of them are irrational and an abomination.

How many people including Muslims get waswas about the Essence of Allah? Shaytan whispers to someone that Allah does not exist -- prove that He exists. If he does not repel these thoughts and he dwells on them, and he lives in a society that accepts it and he is lax with his prayers and connection to Allah, he will eventually become an atheist (as we see many Muslims do today). The same goes for homosexuality.

The only difference is the society you live in has made you desensitized to homosexuality.

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From what I have read and asked questions of a scholar, it is not a sin to have a thought and to accept it is wrong and to resist and repel that thought and any subsequent thoughts.

Nevertheless, we must be aware that not all homosexuals are lewd and promoting their condition. Some are struggling to live with a very difficult situation as best they can in submission and obedience to Allah (swt) so we need to be mindful of this group in the way we speak about this topic.

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But sister, we cannot call such people homosexuals, these people are simply people who struggle with waswasa and lowering their gaze. Being a homosexual and identifying as such means one has accepted homosexuality. And what’s funny is science is trying really hard to prove homosexuality is genetic (giving it a reason for even existing) but so far, nothing great has come up.
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Here’s my thought process, homosexuality and heterosexuality is mainly about sex and attraction. If a straight guy is having urges towards every female around, then he should control himself and say “Allah comes first.” If a gay guy is having urges towards some guys around, then he should control himself and say “Allah comes first.”

If brothers and sisters have issues when it comes to zina, then someone who has attraction to the same gender will feel the same way so it’s best to remind them to control their nafs and remember Allah

That is all.

If you feel like this is not the right approach and instead it’s better to condemn the person and tell them that everything about them is a sin, then feel free to do it. But my approach is better, because we’re all in this together and we all want to go to Jannah.
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sis this quote along with the link that describes how someone may be more genetically inclined to being gay means that I do not mean all kids and people who are/were molested will turn out gay, it simply explains why gay people who think they were born like this turned out this way. “I remember when I was 8 I had a crush on a boy” yet the man who says this was molested at age 5, so of course this will mean he will like boys by age 8 if he were gay, but because he doesn't link the incidence with his orientation, he thinks he is “born” like this. AstaghfiruAllah.

Sister you are failing to realize no one is born gay. Did Allah ta’ala create people born with genetic diseases (God forbid this on all of us and future kids) and condemn them? Did Allah ta’ala create people who have mental and physical disabilities and condemn them? Sub’ana Allah. So why would Allah ta’ala create gay people only to condemn their existence? Okay, let’s hypothetically say there is decent proof of a link between genetics and the inclination towards the same sex, but can’t they control who they marry? Can’t they control such urges? I’ll tell you this right now, there is not a single gay man who cannot be intimate with a woman, everything can biologically proceed but it his “preference” that he does not be with a woman.
A person who God forbid, has schizophrenia (genetic mental illness) cannot, for the life of them, control their disease.

And of course, I am nice to everyone. They are just sinners after all. Will they be close friends? Of course not, just like any other person who chooses to openly sin. I do not want to be associated with such people and possibly be influenced. Will I be mean to them and be proud? Of course not. I say Allah yihdeeyon and keep moving.

Much more of this at the link

Bismillah ir-Rahmaan ir-Raheem, al-hamdulillahi Rabb il-’Alameen, wa salaatu wa salaamu ‘alaa Rasoolillah, wa ash-haadu an laa ilaaha ill Allah, wa ash-haadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluh,

Amma ba’d,

One of the most important aspects of furthering the jihad movement is identifying the ememies of the movement. Some enemies are somewhat veiled, but others are clear. There are also, some enemies within the veiled category that can be turned into clear enemies by demonstrating their association with the enemies which are clear.

DEFINITIONS

The Clear Enemy – A clear enemy is one whose statements and actions are positive propaganda in and of themselves with the general masses.

The Veiled Enemy – A veiled enemy is one whose statements and actions are not necessarily positive propaganda.

The Poorly Veiled Enemy – A poorly veiled enemy is one who is easily converted into a clear enemy, but which requires some explanation in order to turn this page.

EXAMPLES

There are many examples of each category, but some of them are important to identify and then to explore how to exploit. Even some of the clear enemies can be harmful to the movement if we do not deal with them correctly.

America, U.K., AMISOM, NATO, Canada, Russia, China, Israel, the Afghan Puppet Government, the Iraqi Puppet Government, the Yemeni Puppet Government, the Pakistani Puppet Government, India, and other European countries
Clear Enemies
The killing of civilians should be spread as much as is possible.
Anytime these groups are able to be tied to changing Islam it should be mentioned.
All forms of oppression by these groups should be mentioned.
The words “puppet,” “brutal,” “oppressive,” “kafir,” “corrupt,” “apostate,” “Western,” and “crusader,” should all be put in fron of the word “regime” when referring to these organizations.
Anytime these countries disagree or argue it should be spread.
Any failures that these countries have should also be spread.

Other Puppet Regimes
Clear Enemies (excluding Saudi Arabia which is a Poorly Veiled Enemy)
Any displays of kufr should be highlighted.
Attention should not just be payed to Saudi Arabia, but also to the areas that are more obvious.
Crackdowns on Islamist movements should be highlighted.
All forms of sin and oppression should be made clear and visible.
Whenever they kill civilians it should be published.
Community efforts of Islamist organizations in these areas should be published. It needs to be clear that supporting Islam brings about positive social change, and opposing it brings about oppression.
Torture and imprisonment of the mujahideen, scholars, and du’aat should be exposed.
Government scholars should be exposed and the scholars of haqq should be promoted.

Government Scholars
Clear Enemies
The “government scholars” being referred to here are the ones who are clearly just issuing fataawa on behalf of a government and it is not referring to every scholar who supports a government. These are not “Clear Enemies.”
Their fataawah should be exposed.
Their ties to the governments should be made highly visible.
Whenever they issue a fatwa supporting the forces of kufr against the Muslims, then it should be brought to light.
Issues of taking money for fataawa should be discussed.

Misguided Scholars
Veiled Enemies
First let me clarify that I am not saying they are our enemies, but that they do make efforts to hurt the jihad movement.
Their deviations should be pointed out when they are detrimental to jihad.
Their inconsistencies should also be brought to light.
We should not make takfir of them unless they do something which is clear kufr and the conditions for takfir are met.
If their opposition to the mujahideen is well known, then whenever they issue a fatwa in support of them it should be highlighted.
Any time counter terrorism officials mention them positively, then it should be mentioned.

Counter Terrorism Officials
Clear Enemies
Anytime they say anything against a group of mujahideen it should be mentioned.
Anytime they mention changing Islam it should be mentioned.
Anytime they mention promoting certain scholars it should be mentioned, unless that scholar is well known to be a scholar of the haqq. In this case they are either confused or they are trying to cause divisions, so it should be left alone.
Whoever they mention positively immediately loses credibility, and whoever they mention negatively gains credibility.
Usually these people are significantly behind on trends such as the NEFA Foundation if you have ever read their works. However, we can play off of their theories in order to increase the influence and capabilities of certain individuals and groups. Scholars and du’at who may have faded from the spotlight can be brought back into it by playing off of CT theories.

Moderate Islamic Organizations
Clear Enemies and Poorly Veiled Enemies
Depending on the organization it might be a clear enemy, such as an organization like Muslims for Secular Democracy, or it might be a poorly veiled enemy such as CAIR.
These organizations should be exposed as completely ignorant of Islamic rulings.
Their betrayal of Muslims with their fataawa and statements in support of kafir soldiers when they kill Muslims.
Their love of the kuffar and their hatred of the Muslims should be displayed.
If that is not apparent, then their hatred of the mujahideen should be highlighted.
When an organization is upon clear kufr, then it should be made apparent.
When an organization is run by fasiqeen, then it should also be brought to light.
Their ties to politicians who hate Islam and kill Muslims should be shown.
Their abandoning of the Sunnah should be mentioned.

Salafis Who Abandon Jihad
Veiled Enemies
There are two types of Salafis who abandon jihad. There are the Neo-Salafis such as Abu Khadija, and there are the American Salafis that are found predominantly in the Al-Maghrib Institute.
The Neo-Salafis should be ignored and go unmentioned, because refuting them is not as beneficial as simply ignoring them. They are increasingly viewed as a sect by the general Muslim population, and simply teaching a concept will reach far more people than a refutation of some misguided notion.
The American Salafis should be called out on their platforms.
When they condemn the mujahideen it should be exposed.
When they condemn the kuffar, then they should be called out on condemning the mujahideen, so that the Muslims do not get confused about their beliefs.
When they issue statements condemning jihad, then they should be challenged to produce proofs for abandoning jihad. They will not be able to do this, so it is a good point to make.
We should start calling them “American Salafis,” because their methodology seems to only exist in the United States and Canada.
We should avoid generalizing the entire Al-Maghrib organization or similar groups until all of their leaders have clarified their stances. For example, Muslim Matters can be generalized, because it is clear what its writers are upon. However, not all of Al-Maghrib’s instructors have made it clear what they are upon, and their is evidence from older lectures that maybe some of them are in disagreement, wa Allahu ‘alam.

Nationalist Fighters
Poorly Veiled Enemies
These groups are only able to be turned into clear enemies after they have abandoned jihad or they have attacked the true mujahideen.
If they attack the mujahideen, then they should be condemned loudly.
If they engage in “peace talks,” then they should be spoken against.
They should not be treated as enemies based only on suspicion, but when something clear comes up.
If one is suspicious about a group, because it seems to have nationalistic goals, then their successes should not be tied to them publicly.
Their victories over the kuffar should be mentioned, but one should avoid giving too much credit to these groups.
The mujahideen’s lack of need for these groups and superior capabilities should be emphasized wherever it exists (for example in Afghanistan).
It should be prominently displayed when their fighters leave for the true mujahideen.

“Rehabilitated” Mujahideen
Clear Enemies
It should be mentioned that intention is key when fighting jihad and that it is not surprising that some people fell off of the straight path.
Their gross shift should be mentioned and they should be discredited.
Discussion of folding under pressure of torture should occur.
Also, it should be mentioned how they have sold the akhira for this life.
Their ties to whatever government “rehabilitated” them should be brought to light and exposed.
Even though it burns our hearts to see these people, their words really do benefit the movement and only tie the kuffar and the munafiqeen to a war on Islam in which they seek to change this religion.

In sha’a Allah when I am done with these articles I will turn it into a book with edits and reorganization for the sake of Allah, bi’idhnillah.