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insider432 #fundie atheistforums.org

from a post titled "Proof of creation no atheist can debunk (100% bulletproof)"

The Intelligent design of our universe is geometrical and congruent forming beautiful shapes and images with the number 9 as a proof of concept stamp on it given by God. From atoms to galaxies and even our DNA is surrounded by geometrical shapes and patterns with the number 9 hidden inside as proof of creation.

Numbers form shapes and do very weird things according to magnetism. When you add numbers a certain way, different patterns arise which create geometrical shapes. It seems that the construction of our universe, galaxy, and solar system revolves around the number 9 somehow and this number comes up everywhere just as a woman is pregnant for 9 months displaying the 9 code.

The number 9 seems to govern not only properties of physical reality but also time:

Using the digital root method:

1,440 minutes in a day = adds up to 9
86,400 seconds in a day = adds up to 9
10,080 minutes in a week = adds up to 9
525,600 minutes in a year = adds up to 9

Minutes and seconds in a day, week, month, year will always reduce to 9. Totally unaffected by the varying number of days in months and years i.E "leap years".

The number 9 seems to govern time and space, it also seems to be existent and non existent at the same time.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

Define religious document. The constitution may not declare God to be 'x' nor does it say one has to worship god a certain way, but it does allow for state sponsered church, or so thought men like Jefferson Adams and the other founding fathers.

Sleepy #fundie atheistforums.org

One of the illogical things about atheists is their belief in relativity in everything. There is no absolutes in anything.

Some may believe killing is bad, others it's ok( evolutionary asserting your dominance)
Rape is bad, rape is ok( dominant mammal satisfying sexual desire)

In fact the latter of the two is most in line with atheists as they love to talk about evolutionary adaptations.

So why can't humans rape? Any atheists that condemn rape first of all are going against relativism and assuming there should absolutely be no rape. According to whom? According to whom should there be no rape?
The answer is clear, Allah prohibits rape. The penalty is death.

Atheists live in contradictions, relativity is the foundation of atheisms while many atheists are 'condemning' rape. Rape is jus another action relative to that individual. So it's illogical for atheists to condemn it.

Islam= Probibits rape
Atheists= rape is ok to some and bad to some
Atheist responses- it's bad. You can't force somebody.

Why not? Why is it 'bad'? What's wrong with a male spreading his genes through dominating a weaker individual. Survival of the fittest right? Why is it 'wrong'?

Sleepy #fundie atheistforums.org

Every atheist and homosexual when they were born was a Muslim. It is in fact the religion atheist can accept at any moment and their lives will become better. Not just saying you're a Muslim but truly believing in the Oneness of Allah. The miracles are all around. The sun, stars, reproduction which is mentioned in the Quran in detail, nature and everything else. These are the miracles of Allah. This entire universe is not even .001 of his power.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

God set up a soceity that allowed for slavery, and condemned homosexuality. Therefore slavery is not as bad as homosexuality. The fact that soceity says that your intolerance should be reversed only speaks to declining 'morality' in soceity.

Whether that makes me a slave, slave owner or none of the above if we were forced to pick one of the two societies I will pick slavery.

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Slavery is not intrinsically bad. It is what man does with slavery that makes it evil..

Godschild #fundie atheistforums.org

Who created 'Sin' God
Who created 'Satan' God
Who created 'Evil' God


You have things in the wrong order.
Evil is the opposite of God, it wasn't created, it had always been, it just wasn't active.
When Lucifer allowed evil to become active sin was born.
Sin made Satan, he was not created.

kiliç_mehmet #fundie atheistforums.org

Marriage has not changed, it is still between a man and a woman

*Oh you mean it's not between a man and his many wives and concubines, a woman and her rapist, a woman and an invading soldier who just helped conquer the land she lives in, a man and his dead brother's wife...

The wives are not married to eachother, the "marriage" itself is still between the man and the woman.

Besides, the other examples really serve to assist my point. It's between a man and a woman.

Snowtracks #fundie atheistforums.org

but as you may know, Christ spend an eternity in hell for each person so they could avoid it.

[That doesn't make sense. If he spent an eternity in hell, then he is there now and he always will be. He cannot have spent an eternity for each person, since an eternity is basically forever.

The Bible tells us he was dead for three days and a half. That's not an eternity. And for an eternal being, that amount of time is not even the blink of an eye. And it's remarkably unfair for that same being to condemn others to an eternity of punishment.]

God evidently has access to a time plane (or something equivalent) which consist of an infinite number of timelines each of which can be expanded or contracted to control the time rate. He is not usher along the cosmic timeline, nor controlled in anyway by it including it's cause and effect one direction property since He is supra-dimensional to time and space.
'torment' is more correctly translated 'restraint'. the more one demonstrates earthly evil, the more restraint they will have in hell. this is to protect others from those that would unleash their most destructive capabilities. Why are they there? they have demonstrated their desires to want nothing to do with God, so He allows them their wishes but still provide them with protection from the most evil and vile. remember, God is true to his nature, and His nature doesn't allow torment. hell's inhabitants don't like there but they want independence from God even more so God accommodates them. Evidently, God creates spiritual being to live forever. there will be a new heaven and earth (Universe), and it will be sealed off from hell.

Think of an individual timeline for each individual eternity conpressed down to a few hours.

enrico #fundie atheistforums.org

You MAY be a scientist studying PHYSICAL science.
I find a bit arrogant that someone studying physical science can pretend to understand intuitional science.
As far as intuitional science is not affected by the law of cause and effect it is logical that you can not understand a bit of it with the physical science tool

Statler Waldorf #fundie atheistforums.org

Haha wow you really are all over the place aren't you? Throwing around light theory mixed in with the Doctrines of Grace and John Calvin. This must be the ADHD method of discussion haha. Actually many Scientists are moving away from the Isotropic Light Model because it provides a lot of time problems for the big bang. I think the an-isotropic model is a more valid model. Which can be summed up by the Astrophysicist Robert Newton as follows...

"..using the observational definition of time, the speed of light depends on its direction of propagation relative to the observer. (Again, this is a property of spacetime, and not a property of light. All relativistic particles such as neutrinos would also move at different speeds in different directions.) Light travels at the canonical speed of 1,079 million km/hr only when moving tangentially relative to an observer. It moves at half the canonical value when moving directly away from the observer, and it moves infinitely fast when travelling directly toward the observer—travelling instantaneously from point A to point B."

So this would mean that whenever you observe something happen in Space it actually just happened, rather than 13 billion years ago or however many light-years the object is away. This model holds up in all the tests so it really is an exciting new approach.

Informative2016 #fundie atheistforums.org

[When confronted why the Abrahamic god is the one and only.]

Zeus is a MYTHOLOGICAL Greek God, Lets restate that, MYTHOLOGICAL. Hence the fact that it is a figment of our imagination, God is NOT. You have no proof to deny the fact that there is no God, I on the other hand have the Bible, a book which has been tried to be disproved but scholars are unable to because it is historically correct and that's why atheists who do real research decide to convert to Christianity because they see the wonders that God does.

Informative2016 #fundie atheistforums.org

You may not believe in God, but by denying God or accepting that there is no God you have already acknowledged the fact that there is a God. You can not think of something and choose to deny it, your brain will not let you do that. And the Bible is evidence that there is a God everything within the Bible has been proven to have some sort of backing, for example the Bible is historically accurate with its writings.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

Is killing a witch always a bad thing?

More than likely if your coming into this thread to answer this question yes,(it is always wrong to kill a witch) you are probably working under the assumption that all practitioners of witchcraft are benign, misunderstood people.

In the Spirit of Halloween the family and I like to watch scary movies and the two new ones we've seen are "the conjouring" and the new rob zombie Salem witch/Rose Mary's baby cross over thing. Both with out giving anything away had to do with witches/people who acted on the behalf of demonic forces. Killing, tormenting, and feeding off of others. This was done for the most part supernaturally. So part one of my question is if you and your family were being tormented as these two movies depict would you be justified in killing a witch in this day and age? What about 2 to 3 hundred years ago?

Second part what if a group of witches were tormenting, killing members of your family or pets and generally feeding off of the torment and terror they visited upon you using non supernatural means? Again in this day and age or what about 200 years ago?

In short where does the modern sense of morality draw the line, or is their no line because the desire to be politically correct has one negate common sense/self defense because these people gather and worship under a P/C protected religion?

Sword of Christ #fundie atheistforums.org

To reject all gods you must accept the one true God else you will have many gods. Not literal supernatural gods in this case of course but they don't have to be. You're getting a first rate Biblical education here, all the essential facts.

The "Jedi Mind Trick" Award

Sword of Christ #fundie atheistforums.org

God can give you a high that no chemical substance can hope to match. Try it, just give it a go you'll see. You may want to take your materialist assumption blinkers off first, try to bear in mind there is no "no evidence" for it and it isn't "more rational" to assume a universe of this complexity wasn't engineered given the level of natural balance on which this complexity depends. All that has been got out of the way now and you can harness the power. You don't shut off your brain you make use of all of it including, the parts you have been shutting off or ignoring. The Force will flow through you.

John V #fundie atheistforums.org

And really, the god of the bible isn't so complex, or nuanced. Genocidal, though, by your own admission.

Regardless, you have to love him, or you're like a father who beats and rapes his children.

SavedByGraceThruFaith #fundie atheistforums.org

I proved the 'no God" assumption false with 2 proofs.

Proof 1:
by contradiction
assume no God
that leads to countless contradictions
therefore the no God assumption is false.
There God exists

Proof 2:
By Modus Ponens
1. If the universe and life have vast complexity that only an intelligent creator could cause then the universe and life is created by its Creator, God
2. the universe and life have vast complexity that only an intelligent creator could cause
3. Therefore, the universe and life is created by its Creator, God.

John V #fundie atheistforums.org

Hold on there, cowboy. The fact that religion is widespread across time and cultures shows that it meets the evidential standard determined by convention or community. This definition goes against your position.

SavedByGraceThruFaith #fundie atheistforums.org

The dates given by AOS for past events may actually disprove evolution entirely

When atheistic origin science gives dates, they seem to violate standard scientific practice. Real science gives a number and an error range. But atheistic origin science many times quotes a number without any error range. You will read things like 123 million years ago. Why the lack of an error range? What is the error range? How is that error range determined? This bad scientific practice shows that atheistic origin science is not real science.

To show why the real error range destroys atheistic origin science consider the following cases.

Case 1 – Determination of an intermediate species.

Ancestor 120 million years ago
Intermediate 115 million years ago
Descendant 110 million years ago

Seems straightforward. Now consider these same numbers with error ranges.

Ancestor 120 million years ago +- 10 million years
Intermediate 115 million years ago +- 10 million years
Descendant 110 million years ago +- 10 million years

Based on these numbers, then this could be the case.

Ancestor 113 million years ago
Intermediate 115 million years ago
Descendant 118 million years ago

That is the descendant came first, then the intermediate, then the ancestor. So that is now shown to be false.

Case 2 – determination of the rock layers

Top layer 100 million years
Middle layer 110 million years
Bottom layer 120 million years

Seems straightforward. Now consider these same numbers with error ranges.

Top layer 100 million years +- 10 million years
Middle layer 110 million years +- 10 million years
Bottom layer 120 million years +- 10 million years

Based on these numbers, then this could be the case.

Top layer 108 million years
Middle layer 118 million years
Bottom layer 112 million years

So the middle is the bottom and the bottom is the middle. That would be very hard to explain if these layers exist over a vast area.

Now combine the fossils in the out of order layers and ancestors are more recent than descendants. In fact the dates from case 1 and case 2 may conflict.

So the error ranges may put all the dates of the rock layers and fossil record in jeopardy.

What are the error ranges?

How are they determined?

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

Are you familiar with the book of Revelation? If you read the first few verses you will note that revelation is not a book of prophesy. It is a historical account of the end of the world. God took John of patmos and placed him in a position to record all that he saw, and told him to do his best to describe the following events. John did not live at that time, yet God gave him a oppertunity to witness it.

Genesis would have happened in a similiar way.

Rational AKD #fundie atheistforums.org

On atheists having a burden of proof

this is going around in a never ending circle... I realize you don't have a claim that God doesn't exist, but you've still claimed that such a proposition is more rational than saying "God exists." so nice try, you still can't avoid burden of proof.

Enrico #fundie atheistforums.org

It is a contradiction that an atheist can believe in philosophy.
It does not make sense.
Philosophy is love of wisdom.
Wisdom is not only knowledge.
Wisdom is also establish our consciousness within the core of supreme consciousness and that is to become one with God.
Why wisdom can not be achieve right here within this universal arena?
How can be possible to achieve any real knowledge within a finite arena in which everything is moving and changing all the time and in which there is no progress?
You achieve something with one hand and loose something else with the other.
You can go from point A to point B with your car and that save you a lot of time but at the same time your car pollute the air, your legs and your body are getting weaker because you sit on your arse instead of walking and there is the danger that you can die in a traffic accident.
You show me something that come without the negative effect and i will cover you in gold.
In other words all we do within this universe is done in order to stay afloat not to progress and where there is not progress there is no wisdom.
So wisdom has got to be found elsewhere but that require a different approach once you get rid of the idea dogma that a supreme consciousness is not there.

Lion IRC #fundie atheistforums.org

All the really useful science and technology was invented/discovered by theists.
The wheel.
The inclined plane.
Writing.
Making fire.

What have we got since the 20th century?
Hiroshima? Chernobyl? Asbestos?. Thalidomide? Cane Toads? Global Warming? An Internet chock full of gambling, music piracy, child pornography, lol cat memes? Wikipedia?
Atheists rule the Internet? Yeah. They probably do.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

Well it depends on whether or not you are rooting for the apocalypse or not. Because these events are enough for God to decide that He has had enough..

Truthfully, I'd be honored to be apart of that last Generation. To see it all come to an end, and to do an 'i told you so dance.' (kinda like the whole Danny Mc Bride/James Franco scene in 'This is the End.') I'll be like "F-you Minnie Mcbride!"

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

Do you know where the real fun begins?

We will all get to see together. fore it seems all of the key players are being moved on to the board. The next big chess piece will be the one who ties or bridges the gap between government and this new 'not Christ' version of christianity the pope is creating. This guy will be able to unite all major forms of religion under one 'church.'

Then someone or some group holding(maybe even muslim as they too will be affected) on to the old system will lash out possiably at him (seemingly mortal head wound) or this new world order thus allowing him to outlaw all non- one world religion, expressions of faith. insisting that all believers take his mark..

This pope will indeed continue to deball Christianity to the point where it simply becomes a form of spiritualism that will fit any other lukewarm version of any other faith. Leaving those masses who follow that faith open to new leadership.

Aractus #fundie atheistforums.org

[My qualm isn't specifically the things written in the Bible because they sound a lot like they were written by man and as we both know, it was written by men. My own mother believes so, and follows the god of love she believes exists and I certainly don't accuse her of anything. You know why?]

I really do not care. You seem to be equating "written by men" with "fiction", and yet man does write non-fiction too; and I might point out to you, that outside of poetry, fiction had not been invented 2,000 years ago.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

Regarding Jesus falsely telling people in Matthew 16:28 that the end of the world would come in their lifetimes

Hold on cowboy, Christ says "28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

So the burden of proof on you to establish that Christ's Kingdom did not come as described before all of those men died.

Statler Waldorf #fundie atheistforums.org

[arguing that creationism is real science]

P1. Any methodology that explains the natural universe is science.
P2. Creationism is a methodology that explains the natural Universe.
C. Therefore, creationism is science.

Valid and sound!

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

No Spicoli, you don't get it.

I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.

I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.

gnothi seauton.
I am giving you an oppertunity to "know thyself."

[Go ahead Drich, pray to god that I have a terrible life. Go right ahead. Prove my point and demonstrate your Christian love at the same time. Win/win.]

Not a terrible life. A deadly disease. Or to be put in a life and death situation. There is nothing I am offering to do for you that I have not already prayed for myself. In that, a long time ago I asked God to do whatever it took, even if it meant my life, to help me see and understand Him. I now offer that on your behalf for you. Not as a curse but an opportunity to not only know yourself, but in the journey to get to know God.

For he who cherishes his life above all else will loose it. And he who forsakes his life for Christ will gain eternal life.

Just know I generally get what I pray for.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

(When asked how plants could have existed before the Sun was 'created' in Gen. 1)

Do you know what hydroponics is?

In short it is growing plants with artifical light/Non sun light. Is it your belief that only man can create light?Big Grin

Did you know that certain plants and certain coral grow better under certain blends of artifical light than they do in the sun? How is that possiable if they all 'evolved' with the sun as their only source of light?

On the first Day God created 'Light.' Possiably meaning the light spectrum in general or maybe just the three visiable wave lengths we can see. Then later on the sun became the primary source of our visiable light. It doesn't mean God Himself was not the orginal source.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.

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They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God. (Note the big High wall behind them and the gate.) Again a base is not a fox hole.

(I'm pretty fucking sure people who go into foxholes don't just stay there unless they get shot down. Who the fuck are you to judge people as the "foxhole type"?)

Again because they are not standing in 'Fox holes' being shot at.

Just because you are 'over there' does not automaticaly place you on the front lines (Where the fox holes are.)

Just so we are clear a 'fox hole' is a pit dug usually hastily for individual cover from enemy fire. Meaning there are not high was or protect areas/armor to hide behind.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foxhole

Again those d-bags are not in foxholes.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.

I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.

...

Just know I generally get what I pray for.

Sword of Christ #fundie atheistforums.org

[And the puddle says "look how well I fit this hole, it must have been designed just for me"]

Say the puddle was an exact mathematically perfect utterly complex geometric design. And the puddle says "I bet this formed by blind natural chance of some kind". Come on though lets get real here.

David Sims #racist atheistforums.org

I've recently been examining racist arguments without taking the attitude that there just must be something factually incorrect about them. I've noticed a few things about them.

First, racists often rely far more extensively on empirically derived facts than their opponents do. That is, racists don't "just make it up" and then rantingly insist upon their narrative. Instead, they do quite a bit of research before they write.

Second, racists are usually more fair in their conclusions and in their presentations than they are usually credited for being.

Third, the opponents of racism, whom I'll call "egalitarians," are usually the ones who sound as if they were defending some sort of preconceived quasi-religious orthodoxy. Strip away their pejoratives, or ignore them, and judge the racist viewpoint in the light of its own merits, and racism seems at times to be rather convincing.

ideologue08 #fundie atheistforums.org

Like I said, if I didn't believe in my religion then there's no question I would accept the theory of evolution, it has an astronomical amount of evidence. Nonetheless, for me, I am more convinced that my religion is true than the evidences that back up evolution ergo I'm a Creationist.

ideologue08 #fundie atheistforums.org

Gay marriage opens the door to a plethora of new definitions of how "marriage" is defined, a door which the majority of people,especially in the UK, would like to see shut. Consenting adults in a loving relationship is NOT a good enough reason to re-define marriage.

Muslim Scholar #fundie atheistforums.org

Eels travel with the Gulf Stream across the ocean and, after one to three years, they recruit to coastal areas they migrate up rivers and streams, overcoming all sorts of natural challenges — sometimes by piling up their bodies by the tens of thousands to climb over obstacles — and they reach even the smallest of creeks.
They can move themselves over wet grass and dig through wet sand to reach upstream headwaters and ponds.

They make a journey of 6,000 km back to the same pond they were born!

Our concern is not about how they make it (it is unknown till now)
Whichever the method that they use, it will need external data about the location (and route) to take

This external source must be intelligent and have a purpose to send this data to eels

GOD

fr0d0 #fundie atheistforums.org

[Bastardization? Really? How am I corrupting these texts? Please feel free to explain because frankly its quite simple. God says babies are innocents. God says killing innocents is murder. God killed innocents. Fact fact fact based on your texts, all three. It looks like rather you are dissatisfied with my conclusion that your god committed murder.]

Dissatisfied sums it up, yeah. Can you not see how you cherry picked two unrelated sentences and forced them together to prove your point? The logic is clear... God has the capacity to know and judge fairly where you do not. Given the whole concept of fallibility as accepted by Christians and Jews, your idea that children are innocents is unfounded and unbiblical. Simple as that.

purplepurpose #fundie atheistforums.org

Consciosness is like a sparkl.
This sparkl has souce - fire.
Source cant be denied of something its creations have.
Darvins theorie is wrong.
Dead rock cant give life to consciosness that generates endless stream of toughts, desiers. Has ability to feel pain and happines. And hope that
someday it will he happy.
Consciosness created rock.
Consciosness - life. Rock- death.
Death cant lead to life its opposite.

jstrodel #fundie atheistforums.org

Why not the greatest glory for the smallest child? Why give happiness/honor to adults, why not the greatest glory to the smallest child? Surely small children are cuter than adults, so if they are cuter, they should have more glory?

Prove me wrong. If utilitarianism says that you must give the greatest honor (because happiness entails honor and social position) to the greatest number, why not give the greatest glory to the smallest child, since small children have not done as many bad things as adults.

Why are you racist against children?

pro sports5 #fundie atheistforums.org

If Darwin says that blacks are soon going to die off and sick children in the hospital should die off because they are all the weaker of the species in "the descendants of man" then it is that what you guys believe too?

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