if the big bang was caused by two atoms crashing into one another then what set those two atoms in motion and where did the two atoms come from? If we all started out as a soup and the first life came from microscopic life that eventually evolved into us then where did the soup come from?
Question: How much faith would it take to believe that a puddle of primordial soup eventually grew into living organisms, which adventually evolved into male and female human beings?(The myth & faith of evolutionists) To believe that a puddle of primordial soup would become living cells and organisms would require a leap of faith in the first place, but then for these simple organisms to evolve into complex cells and organisms would require another giant leap of faith, but then to believe these complex organisms divided themselves into male & female organisms, which is required to produce new life would require gigantic leaps of faith, which is what evolution really is based on by many atheistic Scientists who don’t want to be accountable to a Creator, whether there’s a Creator or not. Evolution has failed to explain how life is made up of male and female species, which requires both to reproduce, which makes life impossible to spring forth from primordial soup as evolutionists believe with their gigantic leap of faith in the religion of evolution.
Archeologists in Texas found a fissilized foot and leg that was inside of a cowboy boot. Evidently it doesn't take all that long to form a fossil. A fossilized dinosuar footprint was also discovered with a human footprint in it. Can't remember exactly where but it was.
Have you thought about the logical consequences if everyone was an atheist like you? If everyone followed their "own path" what sort of world do you think we would have? If people are not willing to abide by God's laws or that of the government the result would be total anarchy which would ultimately result in the destruction of all mankind.
I seriously think atheism is a religion. They practice it with religious dogma. Atheists reject God. It's rebellion. One has to have something to rebel against, yes? All atheists I have met are angry people who can not reconcile that the circumstances that cause thier pain is caused by thier sin or the sins of others. Many are victims of false religious teaching and abuse ("you make proselytes twice as fit for hell"). It should be evident that what they are missing is the truth - the shalom of the Gospel of Jesus
The creation does not lie and numbers do not lie.JESUS,the Creator,left His numerical stamp over everything.
I could list a long list of examples but a few are:
7 days in a week Why not 6-8 or 9?
28 days in a creation month[7x4] 29th day new month[full moon to full moon] Why not 25 or 35 days in a month?
The are 12 different notes in a chromatic scale of music. [12 tribes-12 disciples-12 months in a year] Why not 11 or 13?
The NUMBERS do not lie
"Why is it that you can tell a kid that God created him and that the Bible is true, and he'll believe it so fiercely, yet tell that to an "educated" individual, or that is a "Free Thinker," and all of a sudden he'll question EVERY SINGLE THING that God said. No matter that the Bible lays it out htere so clearly, he will question it. The Bible says that we have to have faith, but who cares, right? I mean, if we can rationalize everything away, then there's no need for faith"
[Basically saying that the biggest flaw with evolution is its tendency to turn away believers]
Instead of looking for something in the bible to prove evolution, why don't you look at the flaws in this man made idea? Do you have any idea how many people have turned away from their faith just due to this theroy? Its quiet awful actually. I would suggest you simply trust God while you seek the answers for this ok? Many times I didn't understand something in the bible or about God but I hung onto Him and trusted Him anyway, even while the 'evidence' seemed to be against Him....every time He was proven correct without fail!!
Actually the primates you mention are the best evidence in existance that evolution is a false science. If we have truly been here for 65 million years or more, and if we all started from the same linneage such as a single cell organism, and if because of our surroundings all hominids evolved in unique ways to become Arangatangs, Chimps, Gorrilas or Homo Sapien then why in all these additional millions of years of evolution haven't these other creatures at least learned to communicate, build social infrastructures, economies, or even monogomous families for that matter ?
Can you believe these things just happened? Isn't it more reasonable to believe that a supreme mind is behind all of this and everthing that exists? Take the deposits of coal, zinc, gold and uramium. Did they get there by accident? And what prevents lakes from freezing solid, all the way to the bottom, making it impossible for fish to survive?
Why does the earth spin at a given speed without slowing up so that we have day and night? Who tilts it so that we get seasons? No one really knows the why and how of magnetic pulls.
Or think of the sun stoking a fire just warm enough to sustain us on earth, but not hot enough to fry us or cold enough to freeze us. Who keeps the fire constant?
I recently completed a spiritual gift test, and the #1 manifested gift on the list was miracles. Does anyone else out there have the gift of miracles? I currently cannot walk on water or anything, but I won't put it past God to use me sometime to help provide faith and sway people to believe.
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I guess the main thing is I would like some proof that He's not going to make me look silly. Like, if He wants me to yell out and command the rain to stop (for example), I would like the rain to actually stop so people will not laugh at me or lose faith.
My take on all of this [demonic offspring during the end-times] in a nutshell: Our world leaders have sold us out to our Adversary to achieve amazing technology and power. The 'plan' is to 'cull' the human race by two-thirds, herd the remainder into tightly controlled communities using the technology of mind-control they have at their disposal via microchip implants, microwave technology and drugs, and outright fear. There are amazing weather-control technologies (like HAARP and the Russian/Chinese 'Woodpecker Grid') that can create and steer hurricanes, (hmm-have we seen any of that lately?) or cause either massive flooding and droughts.
Our top religious leaders are selling out to the ecumenical One World religion, so we can all 'just get along'--leaving out the important parts, like--oh, the redemptive work of Jesus.
This little tidbit really got me going, though. Apparently there are enough railroad boxcars-furnished with shackles and guillotines, to relieve millions of people of their heads, secretly stashed on American soil. Who's the target? Patriots, which will be very unfashionable in a non-nationalistic one world order, and Christians, who will not bow down to the 'new age of reason'. And, many concentration camps are scattered all over the country, waiting and empty for the afrementioned 'enemies'.
I also understand that the man who 'discovered' carbon dating, the crux of evolutionism, stated that the regular decay of the carbon atom was only 'reliable' up to about 10,000 years, and even that was iffy. So where does that put the age of the universe?
[Reviewing FSTDT.com]
Don't let it get you mad. It shows that there are devout christians on the net who are making a difference. The devil is mad. If the devil is mad, then we've have made a difference. So far there has been 29 submissions from Bibleforums. So we know the Lord is doing a work at Bibleforums.
[On FSTDT]
How would they like it if we trolled atheist boards, stole their posts and posted them on a board, and then voted on how likely each person is to go to hell?
I believe that all of creation is based on the giving nature of God, therefore, I understand gravity to be of a giving nature. I understand that every massive particle gives to and is in support of other massive particles. I believe that everything is giving one to another—I believe that giving is life itself. Giving in the Bible is charity. The workings of God in the Bible is energy.
The faith called Atheism is not a threat to us but obviously God is a threat to you—or you wouldn't be here promoting atheism.
I got a chance to visit New Orleans for the first time ever July 2005 and I couldn't believe the wickedness that was <u>allowed</u> and <u>accepted</u> throughout what they called the French Quarters on Bourbon Street. All of the accepted sin and wickedness that went on for blocks in the downtown area seven days a week looked and smelled just like New Orleans looks now. Everything from the Hustler women dancing exotically in the streets (Hustler Maganize had their own building territory), transvestites performing in the night clubs, bars full of drunk people, women flashing their breasts throughout the streets-no Ma'de Celebration needed, people drunk like zombies walking into buildings and parked cars, females dancing nasty just to get men to buy alcohol from them in test tubes, and worst of all, all of this sin has been done and handed down for many generations to where it became sin done up and down the public street tamed and accepted by the city, the law enforcement officials, the entire government of the United States, etc—<u>as the norm</u>. Everybody saw, knew it was going on-and looked the other way. Maybe no one every attempted to stop it because of the value they placed on the people in the city. Now that lack of value is about to cost a hefty penny.
Not only that, almost everything in New Orleans has the name “Voodoo” on it. From the stores to the restaurants. Something is wrong with that. <font color="blue">How can a so many people who know God, still worship powers of darkness?</font>
I have read about Darwins Lie So not to be confused with any other stories.
It might even be found in an encyclopedia?
As the story goes; If I recall correctly there were two leading scientists striving to find an answer to creation.
There was also money to be funded to them by the government for their research— Something about a dead line to money funding was an issue—
Suddenly Darwin came up with a tooth— this further funded his research and the other leading scientist slipped back.
Darwin took off and here we are— based on a tooth he planted in the ground and then; discovered it.
A swine tooth— he claimed was from early man. He created an entire man from one tooth.
A few nights ago, a couple of my friends (who aren't christians and are very into meditation, spiritual experiences, etc.) made a ouija board and experimented with it. They said they met a group of "people" and were talking with them for hours. They've been documenting their conversations and everything. My friends told me their names and their stories and that they've been doing this for 3 or 4 nights in a row.
I know they're communicating with demons, and im not sure what to do. They actually believe they're talking to dead people in a sort of limbo. If i try and tell them they're actually talking to demons posing as dead people, they won't believe me, and will roll their eyes, basically.
["What do you think heaven will be like?"]
I think the biggest supprise will be when people realize that some believers will have rank and honors while others will be peons.
Its funny how creationist are supposedly the ones who don't have any scientific support for their beliefs yet the evolutionist are the ones that lay down like whipped dogs when someone throws the gauntlet down at their feet.
But of course they have their lame cowardly "to easy to waste my time with" excuse just like they have their "fossilization too rare" and "punctual evolution" excuses.
Worm holes etc. might not have occured until after the fall, but then I wasn't there.
Many years ago I stood up against the teaching of evolution at my school. I refused to go along with the bunk, and today (since I believed in Jesus then, but was not saved) I may have done even more. On those papers and such, I wrote what the teacher wanted, and then put that it is a lie as God created everything. God said and it was so! I put bible verses at the top and off to the sides. Before we compromised in that way, I stood up several times and preached to the class that the bible says...and God created. I spoke about Noah and the rainbow. Evolution is a big lie and it is certainly not scientific!
But on Halloween or as an alternate to Halloween I say we ought not even ponder it. The church need to completely stay away from the tradition. The heathens can celebrate the holiday and it isn't going to much matter in the end one way or the other. Halloween will be the least of their problems come one day. But as for the church... I lean toward having nothing at all to do with the holiday no matter what name we want to call it.
...Darwin said that if evolution were true, there would be an amazing amount of transitional fossils found. We have 0. Every major scientist has admitted this. They just wont let it be taught because they know that to admit evolution is false is to admit there is a creator, and that is something they dont want to face.
God put men in the place of authority, not women. Men aren't supposed to look at women in an authoritative manner, and with a woman as president, the men in this country would be forced to do so. With a woman president, I think this country would go downhill fast because it is going against God's Word.
Hieroglyphs is the oldest form of writing. The serpent plays tricks with God's word to add or subtract letters to distort one's thinking.
I am starting a list so that members in our body of Christ can add words to the list that the Holy Spirit has revealed to him or her.
Observe that the letter added and/or subtracted will either distort or modify the meaning. State whether either word is a (D) distortion or (M) modification.
Examples:
M Evil + d = Devil
D God + l = Gold
D Word + l = World
D Heaven - h + l = Leaven
Rev12
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Amen!
Ive found that Logic changes every few decades as new things and ideas are devloped. Logic some times is Illogical. For example...LOL...take Spock from Star Trek who constantlly acted illogical or found things that "should not be" according to Logic. 1000 years ago the thought of Space flight was Illogical.
As far as whether or not there is a God, all I can say is this: Ask yourself how everything came into existence. I know people will say a big bang created the universe. But what caused that big bang? People will say it was a bunch of gases that suddenly exploded. But then ask yourself... where did those gases come from?
Universities are where “smart” people preach against God and promote feminism, sodomy, drug-use, promiscuity and all else that is opposed to God.
the Shroud of Turin is the evidence you seek that proves that His Son was born as a man, existed as a man, lived as a man, was tempted as a man, was tried as a man, was convicted as a man, was crucified as a man, was buried as a man, and resurrected as God Almighty.
I picture Jesus sitting on the couch with me while I'm watching TV, movies or having conversation. That will make me stop and think about what types of shows I watch.
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The "Origin of the Species" is not an ordinary science book. It purports to challenge the account of Creation as written in the Bible. It came from a Christian whose conclusions about observations in the natural world led him to disbelief. It proposes a theory that changes the perception of man regarding important issues like where we come from, where we are going to, what is the purpose of life, etc. As such, its repercusions involve not only Naturalism but also Philosophy, Religion, Theology, Psychology, Ethics, History, Sociology, etc.
I haven't researched the historic background of such a work but one can roughly say that it was landed at a time where there was a revival of humanistic and liberal ideas, the world was being delivered from the heritage of Catholicism, other religions established themselves as universal systems of faith, technologic advances were rapidly being implemented after centuries of stagnation, there was an Industrial Revolution taking place and a flourishing capitalist economy, the levels of worlwide commerce, information and comunication increased, etc. Men were in search of new answers to ancient questions about themselves.
The ideas of Darwin found a rich ground and became a paradigm. Science became the new religion. It's no wonder that many other fields adopted the paradigm and worked to sustain it. No human intellectual output is purely objective and Science is no exception. If you believe in Evolution you interpret reality accordingly.
For the Theory to work they needed: (1) to erase traces of an intelligent Creator, (2) a long timeline to allow gradual changes, (3) conceptions about matter and energy which came from nowhere, organised very nicely - after randomness and chaos ceased on their own - and generated the building pieces of the universe and life.
Therefore, the earth became very old and the Bible was no more than a pretentious book of myths full of allegories and metaphors.
a few Sunday's ago our pastor was recounting the story of Johhny Cashes' brother,Tommy, when he was dying in the hospital he was seeing on the other side. I have tried to hunt it down on the net, but so far no luck....so have to go by memory hear of what our pastor said. Tommy lay dying and told someone he was on a boat going down a river and headed for flames of fire....he cried out...'wait a minute! I am saved! I am not suppose to be going this way'..then his boat suddenly turned and he was headed the other way.
A trasitionary fossil would be one of an animal, let's say a fish, turning into a bird. So it would look very different in the sense that it could have gills and wings. half bird half fish. That's what they are saying we would find.
There's a theory, not sure what it's called, that said it just happened one time, by chance. that an animal laid an egg and out came something completely different from what it's mother was. Even if that happened, what would that new animal have to mate with? nothing.
evolution says that it's all luck built up over time. hmm. it doesn't add up at all.
[Arguing that our mathematical system contains errors.]
Oh i'd like to argue that.
tell me, what is 1/3 of 10 in number form, 3.333... repeating, correct?
So in theory, if 1/3 x3=1
then 3.333....x3=10 ?
but no, 3.333...x3=9.999...
so in "theory" 9.999...=10
ok?
yeah, how is mathmatics falsifiable... when i'm afraid our number system has a glitch.
Evolution says everything happened by chance. The forming of the earth, the setting distance from the sun, water to give life, seasons to renew, and emotions evolved out of instinct. When did man go from animal to man? A missing link? A theory? You can't find a bone like ours older than 14,000 to 16,000 thousand years ago. Wasn't that around the time of Adam and Eve? Did the food supply evolve alond with each species, or was all the food alreadt here. How would evolution know that? I mean, what we and others eat.
Did we fly they begin to walk again? Did a baby come first or a grown adult? Who would feed it and what would it eat? Would it mate with another like itself, or go backwards mating with what it evolved from? Wouldn't it then be in an endless cycle of evolution and we would still be evolving also? At what point would we stop evolving? Would evolution predetermine when we became perfect in our reproductions of one another?
What most people don't realize when they talk about Pangaea is that the contents are still connected together right now. If you drop the level of the oceans a few hundred feet the continental shelf connects all of the continents together.
This just confirms a suspicion i told my husband about a few days ago, that i felt even the animals were becoming more and more aggressive, and viscious straying from the norm.
And i feel it all started with the fall of man.... i'm sure the animals have witnessed enough of what we have done. Wither it is leanred through what they observed, or wither it is neurological cause of all the pollution, we are to blame.
And i look forward to a new heaven and earth, where the lamb may lay with the lion.
[How can sin change animals? They don't even have souls?]
Sure they do but that isn't why they were affected...(they have souls but not spirits)...the weather, and natural disasters don't have souls but were affected too. Of course I realize you aren't a believer...but pretend for a minute...if you were God and created a perfect world for the first people would you honestly put them on a planet that could kill them with hurricanes, tornados, famine, disease and deadly animals and call it 'good'? Probably not. The word 'good' is listed seven times in the first chapter of Genesis. Everything God created He deemed 'good' and good in His terms usually means perfect (would have to show you other scriptures, etc, on that but its late and I need sleep)...
When they sin it wasn't just them affected by sin...everything was. Just watch the news minus man's inhumanity to man and notice just the stories on famines, droughts, natural disasters...how many died a few days ago in those tornados? How many injuried...
[More on David Blaine]
There are a lot of jealous magicians out there who downplay the reality of what Blaine is doing and try to explain it away. He does levitate. He does so by demonic power. The scripture speaks of lying wonders in the last days.
As far as saying our faith affects so much in everyone's life style...I don't know about your country except what you have said, but here, our country WAS founded on the Christian faith so it is deeply ingrained in everything....and anyone living here should just expect that...though I have to say that our faith isn't nearly affecting things like it did even a 100 years ago. Our influence is schools is almost nile now since prayer have been removed, the Ten Commandments removed...a kid can get into trouble for saying God or Jesus outloud....but wiccan and other reglion ARE catered too now...
And yes I know not everything is water, but I also know everything is made from the waters.
What type of water wells up from within us from within Jesus from the Holy Spirit?
Isn't it Living Water?
I could really take this a very long way you know... [emphasis in original]
Old Earther:
How is unending torment in the best interest of a human being?
David Taylor:
This question implies that the alternative to unending torment, (Universalism or Annihilationism) is in the best interest of a human being over the concept of unending torment.
Explain to me how a bang of gases just happens to explode one day because it has nothing better to do after thousands of years. Has fire ever created one living life form, or does it destroy every one it comes across. Did a tree evolve too? A flower and a bee? Water came out of that explosion too? Salt and regular huh?
No one is born gay or bisexual...there is no scientific proof of this. I know that is what the gay community says, but all the research for this has been disproven. In other words you have been lied too. If bisexuals or homosexuals were born this way..why are their ex gays? ex bisexuals?
aaaaaaaaarggggggggghhhhhh!!!
I am sick and tired of people raping us with the gay agenda. Thats what it is.. they are forcing their lifestyle right down our throat!
Hetero's dont do that. This is rediculous!
I don't think the feminists movement has given us much. The right to vote, sure, but it used to be that men would raise from their seats and remove their hats when a lady entered the room. Just like royalty.