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obediah001 #fundie

“Secular Humanisum is a religion & a Judge declared it so”
Atheism is a religion, for the purpose of 1st Amendment Rights, as declared by the Supreme Court. Doesn’t change anything.

“yes his descision wass later overtutrned"
By a higher court. It’s all a game of tug and war until the tippy-top have their say.

“but he stated it so.”
And if a judge states that Christainity isn’t protected by 1st Amendment, but a later and higher court says it is, does THAT judge’s decision still hold true?

"Evilotion is the foundation of secularhumanisum religion.”
No. Lotion is not evil.
Pretty sure you can be a secular humanist and not accept evolutionary theory. Need to be prepared to defend that stance… A LOT, but it’s feasible.

Katharina #transphobia

various commenters #transphobia

@Zinnia #219272
I think “the cheating males” are transwoman athletes (who, as everyone knows, are just men who put on drag to easily win against, physically menace and transgress the sacred safe spaces of hopelessly inferior women).

Katharina #transphobia

So, wait. You're SICK at the thought of transgendered women, you bitch online about supporting tham, but you're too polite to say anything to her face. You fucking coward. Non confrontational hate.

Allison #transphobia #conspiracy

In recent years, more than just stores have been putting up Rainbow Flags in their windows during Pride Month: HSBC.

Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation.

I bet they’re not the only one, either.

Not being bigoted is a good look.

It isn’t when you are.

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

Allison #transphobia #conspiracy

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

The Bible condones slavery. Nuff said.

Aleksandr Dugin #wingnut

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

Bible says you cannot beat a slave until he dies. However, if you beat a slave severely, but if he dies a few days later, then you are not charged.

Rav Mortichai #racist #wingnut #conspiracy

Prince Someday #fundie

“After 52 years of life, I have learned a few things.
Abortion of any kind is MURDER.”
That’s an opinion. Did you ‘learn’ it or come to believe it?

“Gays are not married, no matter how long they have lived together or "love" each other.”
That’s just denial. They are married and need at least one divorce lawyer to separate.

“We were right to go into Afghanistan and Iraq and should stay until the job is done.”
Iraq? We went into Iraq because Bush wanted to finish his daddy’s war. They started the administration looking for justification to invade Iraq. That makes us the bullies.

“Whenever the government runs things, they screw it up. I do NOT want "universal healthcare"”
But you want the same government to ‘finish the job’ in the two countries we invaded… Yeah, that’s rational.

“There is NO separation of Church and State in the US Constitution.”
Supreme Court Decisions are part of the Constitution, so it IS in the Constitution. Look it up. Learn you some facts.

“I do NOT want Hillary Clinton to become a US Supreme Court Justice.”
That’s definitely an opinion, you didn’t ‘learn’ it from anywhere.

Allison #transphobia #conspiracy

“Next June I plan on contacting the stores displaying this support and insist they refrain or I will make a point of boycotting their store.”
Yeah, they’re going to make the decision that means the most profit. Do you have enough bigoted friends to make them feel the boycott? Or is it just you?

various commenters #transphobia

First they came for the cheating males,

This is the most bizarre line in the whole thing.

Okay, the obvious interpretation is that it means “men who cheat on their partners”, but who is even coming for them? Yes, nobody likes a cheater, except conservative political parties in some countries for whatever reason, but that’s not gender-specific. It’s not illegal, and they’re not particularly “persecuted”, except when they as individuals are total garbage humans for more reasons than just cheating. Even then, in communities where people are harsher on one sex or the other it’s more often women. It’s not out of the question that the original writer (Turtlefuzz) might have meant that in this exact way, it just seems odd in juxtaposition to the other things mentioned here, and likely involves heavy doses of confirmation bias if so - or, I guess, they think crackdowns against adultery are imminent or something.

Which is why it’s also possible that they meant something else - first thing which came to mind was trans women in sports, who might be “cheating” in the sense that they’re not participating “legitimately” in the category of their birth sex, which is a hot-button issue right now where the ‘phobes have a decent chance of winning in some places. Though that would also be a very odd way of phrasing that. Anything else I can come up with seems even less likely. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Then they came to me, and told me I could live my life again.

Who would even say that? Liberals? Are you imagining that if you defeat both the patriarchy and the eeeevil trans, Libs are going to come around? But the poem implies that you’re powerless and not the ones saving yourselves. Conservatives? Tradcons are going to be all “your life is in the kitchen now”, and right-wing libertarians aren’t going to lift a finger to “help” you. Centrists? In my experience they mostly just go to whichever side they see as most reasonable and ask them to make sacrifices in order to keep the peace. Intersectional Feminists? Hahaha no.

And all my sisters spoke out - Because now we could.

You are already “speaking out” against things you see as a threat. Why would you only start doing it (or start doing it even louder) after those threats are gone? Wait, are you mad that people don’t buy into your Cult of True Womanhood™ nonsense and think they’ll finally start to listen after the patriarchy and the eeeevil trans are vanquished?

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

“Vehicular homicide... if your ox kills somebody else, then you are responsible, especially if you were warned and didn't keep it in.”
But oxen have other uses than pulling a oxcart, Kenny. And vehicular homicide does NOT mean your car broke down a fence and gored the neighbor. The law came to be out of people claiming they didn’t have a weapon when they drove half a ton of car over someone, and ask for a lighter sentence. Lawmakers said, ‘Nah, it’s as bad as.’

Do you put ANY time into thinking these things up, or does it just dribble out of your mouth like shit out of Trump’s ass?

“I think the Bible would offer the pattern that... we should make our laws by,”
So, would tax evasion be punishable by death? YOU didn’t render unto Caesar…

Katharina #transphobia

However as we went through the exam I noticed the student was wearing a trans flag pin, was much taller than average, and had *very* large feet. I began to get anxious, wondering if this was actually a man with us.

Not that it should really matter, but cisgender women who are tall and have large feet do exist.

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16) is punishable by death.

“And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.”

That sounds more like stealing and then selling a slave than kidnapping to me.

Cursing your father or mother, verse 17, punishable by death.

A lot of children wouldn’t make it out of their teenage years if we actually went by that.

Allison #transphobia #conspiracy

Many stores put authorized/ official Trans posters up in the store.

In rural Canada they do that? I have to say, I have my doubts on that one. What in the flying fuck is a “trans poster” anyway?? And they’re “authorized/official” too? Authorized by who? Is there some kind of “Royal Canadian Institute of Posters”?

I live in a pretty rural county in the US, and the sort of posters I typically see these days are Trump stickers on someone’s window. Or the one I saw at the house around the corner from me, talking about how the local community college “allows men in girls bathrooms” or however they put it…which I found interesting, as they put that up not too long after a concert there, of a Queen tribute band of all things, which I attended, and did notice signs on their restrooms saying something to effect of “we allow people to use the restroom that conforms to their gender identity.”

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

If you kick a pregnant woman and the baby dies, you have to be killed.

This isn’t because killing infants or fetuses is murder - the Bible says that a baby doesn’t have a soul until after birth, and in general it’s rather cavalier about infanticide - it’s because you deprived the father of his rightful property, which may include the woman if it damages her ability to have more kids. That’s not the sort of presumption any modern secular legal system uses, and can’t reasonably be used to argue that abortion is murder in any case. Neither is property deprivation the sort of thing which gets the death penalty (or would have been, in places where the death penalty is now banned), even if some psychos want to be able to freely murder suspected thieves, vandals, and/or tresspassers.

…Also abortions aren’t forced on people by third parties (excepting forced government abortions, which doesn’t happen much of anywhere), and if someone kicks a pregnant woman that’s already illegal.

would easily translate into something related to [vehicular homicide]...

You’d have to establish that abortion is morally a form of reckless homicide first, which as stated above, isn’t really supported by the Bible, otherwise you’d be putting the cart before the ~~horse~~ ox. I suppose you could “establish” such by arbitrary fiat, but that’s not how law is supposed to work. And even then, “reckless homicide” is known as “manslaughter”, not murder. Considering that abortion is a deliberate, planned action which you can’t just “recklessly” jump into, how exactly would that work, anyway? “You might regret it later”? That’s not what “reckless” means from a legal perspective.

Well then, good thing we don’t follow the primitive bible rules, isn’t it?

Now, to be clear, I don’t condone murder at all. But if you think an accidental death or even insulting your parents is instantly worthy of capital punishment, then I do disagree. Things tend to be a lot grayer when NOT in fantasy land.

Besides, using that incredibly vague wording, doesn’t that mean that official executioners should be killed as well? Then who is going to uphold said laws?

Allison #transphobia #conspiracy

Eivind Berge #psycho

Some broad issues this touches upon:

1.) Since this is most likely in regards to pedophilia, the primary reason (from a legal perspective, in most jurisdictions) is because minors, particularly those who do not have at least a semi-independent financial situation and some adult life experience, are usually rather vulnerable to manipulation and abuse, including of the sexual sort. They may not have a good grasp of the risks and consequences. This goes double for younger minors who may have only a vague idea what sex is, if they know at all. While being an adult is no guarantee of any of those things, a clear cutoff age is provably effective at harm reduction.

2.) The secondary reason (again in most jurisdictions, though it can also be the primary one) is that pedophilia can interfere with parental obligation to protect their children from making harmful choices, and from other adults making decisions on the child’s behalf which are culturally the province of either the parent or the child. And occasionally, it can prevent parents from forcing their children to make harmful “choices”. Some jurisdictions do put way too much emphasis on parent’s rights and powers over their own children, but that’s a separate issue.

3.) Most people also find it disgusting, and that’s not a good reason (in itself) to ban anything - but that disgust is also not relevant to the supposed “rights” of pedophiles. Just because some people feel something is wrong doesn’t mean that this is necessarily the *only* reason to ban something and people just need to get over it.

More generally, not limited to pedophilia (or even sex):

4.) If you don’t agree with rules or laws which most people willingly follow, and that you are an exception which they shouldn’t apply to, then you are most likely exactly the sort of person who the rules were made for, and you either don’t understand why they exist or are delusional. They’d be pointless if the only people they didn’t stop were the worst offenders. (That being said, bad rules and laws do exist and most people agree to follow them mostly because it doesn’t personally cost them to do so. But in that case, object to the rules themselves rather than insist on being an exception, though I’m going to side-eye you if you knowingly object to most forms of harm reduction.)

5.) Consent is not unilateral. You don’t just get to decide that someone else, deep down, really really wants whatever you desire to do to/with them. Even if you’re right, that doesn’t negate the risk of harm which comes from forcing the issue - and if you’re the kind of person who frequently thinks that about other people, you’re almost certainly also the sort of person who is very rarely right and usually only by accident. And regardless of the legality of any actions taken to force the issue (or lack thereof) you don’t have the right to sympathy and/or a get-out-of-jail card for accidental abuse.

various commenters #transphobia

@JeanP #219221
The Niempoeller poem was aimed to those who support an authoritarian regime because it attacks people the audience hate such as leftists, LGBT, syndicalists, foreigners, etc.

Yeah. It was a warning that if you vote for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party, it’s only a matter of time before face-eating leopards come after YOU! They have NOT been trained to only eat the faces of those you dislike.

Katharina #transphobia

I've written about it on their Yelp review page and comment forms

So it’s not just waiters that Katharina thinks it’s funny threatening with a bad Yelp review - because she’s tacky.

Allison #transphobia #conspiracy

They even include the colours for MAP - pedophiles aka minor attracted persons!

Is Allison being truthful here?

Kent Hovind #fundie #forced-birth

What if you, say, cut Medicaid funding in order to cut taxes for the wealthy? We know people will die if we do it. Does that count? I’m guessing you don’t think it does.

Rav Mortichai #racist #wingnut #conspiracy

systemd-anonymousd #racist

Super Adam #sexist

Aleksandr Dugin #wingnut

When Russian bots fail in getting AfD elected, you know you’ve got problems Al.

When Starmergeddon proved you failed in my country: and Nige FaRAGE’s (Un)Reform(ed) got less than the 13 seats projected in the post-10PM voting station closing exit poll on that 4th July last year, ergo…!

various commenters #transphobia

First they came for the Ovashits: I did not speak out because I’m not an inferior subhuman bigot.

…and then they did not come for me: because I’m not an asshole.

Holocaust

Interesting you mention that, o Ovashits. Because you’ve forgotten one thing about that which inferior subhuman bigot Nazis didn’t:

Pink Triangles.

Moral: Don’t want to be compared to inferior subhuman bigot Nazis, stop having bigoted opinions.

Eivind Berge #psycho

So come to Britain and plea Gary Glitter’s case outside of Scotland Yard with the world’s press present.

I’m sure you’ll get lots of ‘Empathy’, Eiverd Bilge. [/Doug Piranha-levels of sarcasm]

Jimmy Savile ensured the likes of you will never get any: in more ways than one.

Vikingcelt #racist

Super Adam #sexist

tomofukuoka #sexist

Mike Adams the Health Ranger #quack #wingnut #conspiracy #mammon

MAHA in CRISIS as RFK Jr. pens article advocating mass MMR vaccine injections during measles SCARE PSYOP

Between you and RFK Jr. guess who has more accurate figures about how many people are infected? It actually worried me a bit that RFK has flipped so quickly when given access to the hardcore information about the spread.

various commenters #transphobia

But they are going after trans women AND cis women. I may be white cishet male but speak out because I'm certain pagans will be on the list as will atheists. Although TERFs tell on themselves here, they want trans people hurt and killed.

Eivind Berge #psycho

Tommy Truthful #magick #ufo #quack #conspiracy

various commenters #transphobia

Mr.T #homophobia #fundie

WorldGoneCrazy #fundie

“Here is a secular proof for the existence of Hell, your future home should you not repent:”
Say that again, slowly. SECULAR proof of a RELIGIOUS concept.

“1. Every natural innate human desire has a corresponding satisfying object in reality.”
I knew a guy with a fetish for unicorns.
i myself desire a partner that’s a giantess, 8 to 12 times my scale.
Many people desire to be Jedis.
You’re wrong.

“2. All humans possess a natural innate desire for objective moral justice to be satisfied.”
Pretty sure Trump REALLY does not want justice to be satisfied. Nor does Musk. Or anyone that broke laws to put him in power.
You’re 0 for 2.

“3. Therefore, objective moral justice exists.”
Total bullshit. Your premises failed, your conclusion is unsupported. ANd even if your argument was better, how would that work?
I could MAYBE see an argument for objective morals to exist. No idea how we’d find them. But OMJ not only requires objective ideas in morality, but also action must be taken objectively to punish evildoers.

“4. In some cases, objective moral justice is not satisfied in this lifetime.”
You JUST said that every desire has a fulfillment IN THIS REALITY. You can’t appeal to a secondary reality that we cannot perceive to verify your claims. That disproves your own premise.

“5. Therefore, objective moral justice is achieved in an afterlife.”
No, this conclusion is not justifiable. It’s not proving anything happens ‘later.’

“6. Therefore, Hell exists.”
Try again.

“What will it take for you to admit you were on the wrong side of the world’s worst holocaust in human history?”
Some reason to think it IS the wrong side, maybe? JUst guessing.
THIS line of self-serving garbage sure isn’t what it would take.

“Look in those dishes – those are the arms and legs and heads of dead babies floating there.”
Kinda like Steven King. He once said something like, ‘I want to terrify you. If i can’t terrify, I’ll horrify you. If i can’t horrify you, I’ll make you throw up. I’m not proud.’
When the anti-abortionist can’t really make a logical argument for taking away a woman’s control over her own body, they go for an emotional reaction to dead fetuses. Your attempt at emotional manipulation is noted, but pathetic.

"If that is not enough to turn your heart, what is?!?”
Still gotta side with the person that’s actually here over the potential person that’s currently a parasite.

"What WILL it take?”
Now, sit and think about this a second, too. I think the right to abortion is very important and as women are currently dying in states with full abortion bans, it’s demonstrated nicely (if covered up in the media). And you clutch pearls and ask ME to help YOU change my mind? You’re really really batting .001 today, aren’t you?

PoisonDartPepe #racist #conspiracy

Five years later, any minute now, right?

I mean, yeah, Trump is 100% against America, congratulations for getting one thing right at long fucking last. But the rest of it? Trump serves only two masters - his porcelain ego, and his GRU handlers.

Tommy Truthful #magick #ufo #quack #conspiracy

Eivind Berge #psycho

“That rant about sympathy for so-called sex offenders was not overly dramatic.”
A sex offender expecting sympathy for sex offenders in general is overtly a bad faith rant. You’re not going to convince me you’ve got an objective POV to consider.

"It is what anyone should feel if they had empathy.”
Dude, i apologize to the Lemmings that i can’t herd through the level. I have the empathy. Bu there are also many people behind bars that i think BELONG behind bars.

"Something is blocking that empathy.”
Yes. Your crime.

“The delusion that consensual sex is extremely harmful just because it is called rape and and abuse.”
I really don’t think anyone thought sex with a minor was okay UNTIL they were told it was rape.
But it wasn’t consensual. We don’t let people of a certain age sign contracts, make medical decisions, or consent to sex.
I would also withhold empathy from someone who put a minor in debt for life by letting them sign a bank loan at 85% interest. Or an entrepeneur who got the child to consent to the heroin they gave her. Either one could claim their transaction was consensual. They could also claim it was ordained by god, or pleasing to the Valkyries, or a common event in West Phahoozit. Still wrong.

"Either the normies are evil or they believe in this cultural superstition.”
Call it what you will, you knew, or should have known, or it could be expected that any goddamned idiot would have known it was illegal, whether you agreed or not.

"I am still holding out hope that it is mostly the latter.”
Hope in one hand and open an artery into the other, see which one fills up first.