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Tatsuya Ishida #racist #pratt

The implication here is that they deserve so much worse, because all Jooz are evul, but Hitler was just too kind-hearted. Also that jooz are a bunch of whiners… as if having one’s life upended, being separated from one’s friends and family, and kept in an open-air prison as a collective punishment and not because of anything specific one did, somehow isn’t any sort of big deal.

Truth Mum #conspiracy #transphobia #sexist

Uhhh… so, the plan is to give people more freedom, thereby weakening them, allowing them to be easily conquered, so that the freedom that was given can be taken away again? I’m assuming that you’re scared of trading masters, because the devil you know and all that.

@HERALDofYAH & @mistymountainz #wingnut #quack #conspiracy

Covid vaccine death rate with the death mix [ one of the three variations] 100%, over time.

100% of the people who died after taking the vaccine died because they took the vaccine, and absolutely no other reason, so therefore 100% of the people who took the vaccine will eventually die from it! I am the maximum smartness. /s

Michael Costa #transphobia

If one truly cared about historical accuracy above all else, then even if Anne Boleyn had been played by a cis man, that would still be the least of the issues with this play.

Parents With Inconvenient Truths about Trans #transphobia

This is worded so strangely that I had to re-read it twice in order to get what the OP is implying. Basically, that trans people are told that they’ll commit suicide if they don’t transition. So suicide prevention is a bad thing, now?

Or, I guess, the OP might believe that if people aren’t aware that gender dysphoria exists then they won’t experience it, because it’s a social contagion and not an inherent individual condition, in which case… no.

Vanessa #transphobia

Some of recent posts here from transphobic parents remind me of those “math” puzzles which ask “where did the missing money (or other countable thing) go?” It didn’t go anywhere, because it was never missing. You wouldn’t even have thought to look for it if the puzzle’s improper framing of the situation hadn’t tricked you into it. That’s why I put “math” in quotes, because the real puzzle isn’t about the math, it’s about figuring out what error in thinking lead to the deceptive framing.

This is not quite the same thing because “your/my child” is not a set of countable objects or units. But there is an error somewhere in the parent’s framing of the situation which leads to a bad conclusion. Unfortunately a lot of the time, the “real child” isn’t so much “dead” as having never existed outside of the parent’s imagination, and now the illusion is thoroughly broken. This isn’t a situation unique to trans kids, just doubly tragic when it happens. In other cases, I suspect one or more category errors are involved, though I don’t know enough to guess at which ones would be typical.

1968Chick #transphobia

Cutting off your children financially when they need it most does not work as well as one might hope. Worst case scenario from your perspective, they already have contingency plans ready to put into action, and that will be the last you ever hear from them. Best case for you, you’re now in the position of continually sabotaging their life out of “love” (forcing them to be dependent upon you), reducing them to praying that you suffer and die behind their fake smiles, without an ounce of self-awareness on your part how psychotic that looks to anyone who doesn’t see children as possessions. Anything in between depends on the situational specifics, but it’s going to be an ugly mess for everyone involved, and isn’t likely to turn out well for you.

I will also point out that, in the case of actual cults, this will result in “see, they are tainted by the world’s evil! cut off all ties and we will support you fully!” and then you’ve completely lost them.

Jim #sexist

socially acceptable in polite company

Most liberals aren’t going to object to an unequal Domination/submission relationship, even a tradcon one, if it’s mutually desired and you’re not being all abusive, sexist, and/or male supremacist (or even female supremacist) about it. Some of the younger ones might, if they have only a shallow understanding of feminism and/or equality, but most will learn better, over time. That does not mean that all unequal relationships are equally acceptable.

Meanwhile, very few conservatives are going to object to any talk about tradcon relationships unless you get really weird or creepy about it. So I’m going to wonder who you’ve been talking to and what you’ve been saying which gives you the impression that you can’t talk about “Marriage 1.0″ in polite company.

Given the focus on looks and breeding in the second half, I suspect that the answer is “incels”.

various commenters #wingnut #racist

Matt Walsh #transphobia #wingnut

Let’s pretend for a moment that you don’t need evidence, that vibes based on the latest mass hysteria is the best way to determine the “truth”. Let’s also pretend that “curing” trans people is possible and doing this would reduce their violence levels to zero, as if a violence level of zero was actually normal, especially for men. Let’s say that you were united in a crusade to “de-transify” people in order to end that violence. Is that really going to be a good return on your efforts?

This is why I don’t buy arguments like that. It’s not about ending or even significantly reducing violence, it’s about insuring that the “right” people (whoever they’re defining as the right people) have a monopoly on it.

Tatsuya Ishida #conspiracy #racist #wingnut

It gets worse. Not sure how much I should spoil things, as this is still a month away from the current comic. There’s very little Hitler-the-superhero anymore and it’s now all about re-imagining WWII into something which bears only the vaguest possible resemblance to the actual war. Particularly notable is that there’s no mention of Japan or the eastern theater at all, and the US joined on the side of the Allies before the war even began.

Trustyourperceptions #sexist

If you ignore the 19th and early 20th century rewrites which strip out a lot of the women’s agency, then there are a lot of “chick-gets-dude” stories among fairy tales, folklore, and mythology. Cinderella gets the prince. Psyche gets Cupid. Snow White (no, not *that* Snow White, one of the other ones) gets the guy who was turned into a bear. In each of these examples, the men do get a little agency, but it’s mostly the woman’s story. Also some stories about girls/women protecting their brothers, by violence if necessary. You’ve heard of Hansel and Gretel, at least?

viathatoneartist #fundie #wingnut

Depending on the reason for the infertility, either they were never going to exist to be “murdered”, or without other people using IVF you were going to have even more “dead neighbors” and fewer live ones than you would otherwise.

Honestly, even considering that the OP apparently doesn’t understand IVF, this is such a bizarre way of framing it. If you’ve never met them and never will because they never existed beyond a microscopic clump of cells, in what sense would they be your “neighbors”?

Ken Ham #conspiracy #fundie #pratt

Nobody claims that a dog is going to “evolve” into a dodoggo if you level them up enough. They’re not Pokémon. The confusion comes from the fact that the Japanese word “shinka” means both “evolve” and “metamorphose” but it was translated to the former because it fit better on the limited Game Boy screen. 😛 /jk

A.golden.virtue #conspiracy #crackpot #transphobia

You misunderstand completely. To explain: Epstein, and many of his clients/cohorts, were part of a loose ideological/philosophical “movement” (I hesitate to call it a movement when it appears to only consist of a few dozen very rich people plus a handful of disgraced scientists and intellectuals, but I can’t think of a better word) which believes in all sorts of nasty things like eugenics, Nietzschean will to power, and “race science”, on top of the pedo apologia and general misogyny. Some of them, Epstein included, believed that trans women should be locked out of legitimate means of transition, and instead should be forced to transition via underground means in exchange for being sexually exploited. While ignoring trans men as usual. In other words, it was an unusual form of transphobia where it was acknowledged that some people are sexually attracted to “shemales”, but considered that such things should *only* exist in the context of porn fantasies and sex work. At least some of them might have also been considering it a valuable source of blackmail material (keep in line or we’ll reveal your degenerate porn tastes!) though I admit that’s speculation on my part.

It’s not that Epstein et al were part of an evil global cabal coercing men into believing that they were women for nefarious reasons (among all the other imaginary stuff said cabal is accused of doing), but that they saw an existing “subhuman” class to potentially exploit for power and profit. …Though you *could* argue that they were a “global cabal” in a sense, they were (mostly) not doing any of the usual conspiracy theory nonsense.

@Anon-e-moose #248966
Technically at least one, if you count an AFAB non-binary person, who was one of the victims. I know that’s not what you meant, just pointing that out.

Rob Schneider #conspiracy #pratt #wingnut

“Global boiling”? Is that the climate denialists’ version of the flerfs’ “Spinning ball theory”? It sounds even sillier, because taken literally, it’s extremely unlikely that humanity would ever output enough carbon to veneraform¹ Earth to the point where the oceans start boiling off, even if we moved deep underground to avoid extinction and still kept burning every last bit of fossil fuel we reasonably could. I mean, deep underground, you’d expect geothermal and nuclear to be the most viable options, and there may not even be enough fossil fuels to go quite that far, anyway. There’s a pretty huge gap between “unsurvivable” and “actually boiling”.

¹Veneraform = “making the environment more Venus-like”, in the same way terraform can mean “making it more Earth-like”. In case anyone cares, the equivalent for Mars is areaform. Jupiter would likely be joviaform, though I have no idea why anyone would do that. Not sure about other planets.

Vakhgala #homophobia #fundie

Do you believe that “sexual orientation” means “genders which one chooses to have sex with”? If so, you might want to consider whether you might be bisexual or asexual, because most people don’t choose to have sex with people they’re not attracted to.

Olivia Taylor #transphobia #psycho

I’m going to guess that “critical thinking” means something along the lines of “bioessentialism is the only thing which makes sense to me, so everyone else should be logicked into it, lived experiences be damned”.

Also, once trans and nonbinary people are aware that those are a thing and they’ve become open to the idea that they might not be cis, it rarely works to shove the genie back in the bottle. There’s a very high chance that your child is just playing along, gave up on *you* as hopeless, and will reassert their identity after they’ve gained sufficient independence - and if they plan to transition, will come out to you a second time only after they’re already pretty far along.

Andrew Tate #dunning-kruger #elitist

Not caring about reading explains why he didn’t bother to research whether Romania was actually lax with sex trafficking or if it was just a rumor (or vibes, or outdated information, or whyever he was wrong about that).

Dsirugger #pratt

I’m going to agree on one point, though almost certainly not for the reason OP might expect. Which is: “Skeletor is evil because toxic masculinity”, assuming that this is indeed what the Director or anyone involved with the production in a major way actually intended, is a total cop-out.

There is definitely space in fictional media for a character to behave in problematic ways due to toxic masculinity, but are not purposefully malicious, including those who are genuinely trying to be better. So long, anyway, as it’s acknowledged or at least implied that they are definitely problematic. It’s not the sort of thing which inherently leads to evil, even if such views and behaviors tend to be damaging to both the person holding them and those around them. Toxic masculinity might have some narrative relevance to a villain’s descent into evil, but leaning into it as the primary or sole cause strikes me as lazy hackwork.

Mustache-twirling cartoon villains might sometimes have bizarre motivations, but that’s because their primary cause for being a villain is that they’re a sociopathic idiot, rather than the motivations themselves.

Tatsuya Ishida #wingnut

This seems to be portraying communists as not *really* caring about establishing a worker’s paradise, instead they just want to engage in class warfare for the sake of it.

In every movement, there are people who just want to fight the “good fight”, without having any sincere belief in the cause. That doesn’t mean that they’re anywhere remotely close to being the majority. If Communists had believed that Hitler’s “socialism” (not actually socialism) was a major stepping stone towards that, then they’d have joined up with him. In fact, a minority of them did, early on, and they were referred to as “Nazbols” (Nazi Bolsheviks). Things did not go well for them.

Todd White #crackpot #fundie

I’ve seen the comedic take that God hates sex because it’s gross and he can’t turn off his omniscience.

March for Billionaires #elitist #mammon

Fritz Berggren #racist #fundie #wingnut #conspiracy

So desperate to create right-wing death squads in order to prevent the rise of left-wing death squads, which they’re sure will happen any day now if they don’t.

Also weirdly, “Scandinavia” and “Europe” are separate categories. Maybe the OP meant “Western Europe”?

TheRingGoesSouth #sexist #racist #dunning-kruger

@Anon-e-moose #247944

Pfffft. I saw a study on literature somewhat recently, and apparently women read sci-fi at a slightly higher rate than men. The only category where men overwhelmingly dominate is Military Fiction. (Meanwhile the category where women overwhelmingly dominate is Historical Romance.) Now literature reading doesn’t necessarily extend to participation in conventions and fan spaces, and I don’t have experience with those as it was never my scene, but still, that seems just as dumb and wrong.

I went to physical meetups back in the BBS days and they were around one-third women and two-thirds men? Now granted, it’s within the realm of possibility that might have been skewed. It’s always possible women were more likely to show up at those things then men were, but it’s also possible that the reverse was true, and it’s also possible there were some BBSes which had very few women because toxic dudebros drove most of them away? It’s hard to say because most people didn’t openly state their gender. But anecdotally, even *before* the World Wide Web there were quite a lot of women online.

you just assumed you were talking to a man.

Remember “Tits or GTFO”? It was an extremely vulgar way of insinuating that anyone online who claimed to be a woman or girl wasn’t one unless they went out of their way to prove it.

Tatsuya Ishida #wingnut #racist

@Bastethotep #247370
When Tats makes anti-porn statements (or, more often, implies porn is bad by lumping it with other things he considers bad) he depicts it in a sleazy and/or abusive way, and normally in high heels and lingerie or something similarly not-quite-fully-nude. He never does full frontal, regardless. More likely, he just doesn’t consider classical-style nude statues to be porn, which is a surprisingly sane view, coming from him.

Regardless: 1.) Bigots in general mostly don’t care much for art that makes them think or feel (unless it’s something which validates their worldviews and/or invalidates everyone else’s) so they tend to gravitate towards things which have a high technical quality but are rather bland or even soulless; 2.) This strip is actually a good example of showing this phenomenon in action; 3.) Tats is depicting this as a good thing, because he’s become the very sort of bigot his younger self used to denounce.

Biblical gender roles #sexist

<@KeithInc.> #247401
16/17 was the norm

That actually depended. 16/17 was normal among the European aristocracy, due to the tradition of breeding up heirs ASAP, while among the peasantry early 20s were more common. I think a large part of the mistake comes from the fact that it wasn’t too uncommon to marry off girls from noble families as young as 13, but it was still considered morally repugnant to have sex with a girl younger than 16. It wasn’t illegal - but if she got pregnant too young and died as a result, then good luck getting another wife. Likewise, a lot of other cultures in various time periods it was common for young marriages and young heir breeding among at least some subset of the population, but generally only where patrilineal inheritance was an issue.

There also are/were primitive tribes which encourage active sex lives among very young people (we’re talking like 12-14), but only in cases where their diet and/or environment suppresses their fertility to the point where having kids at *any* age, despite frequent sex, is something of a crapshoot. Still nowhere near common for pregnancy to happen under the age of 16.

Jeffrey Wells #sexist #psycho

Selwyn Duke and Chad O. Jackson #pratt #fundie #wingnut #conspiracy

“because we celebrate a different kind of man than really existed”

There have been decades of building up an alternate, more palatable to centrists and moderate conservatives version of him. Not everyone subscribed to that, a lot of people have always celebrated him for the man he actually was.

He had to hide his real views, however, because revealing them would’ve been disqualifying in 1960s America

His views were not secret. There was no deception on his part. The deception was, again, decades of effort creating an alternate version of his legacy. And his views *absolutely* were not acceptable to the majority white people during the 1960s, that’s why there were a great many death threats, multiple FBI investigations of him, and at least two assassination attempts (one of which was successful).

Marxist who renounced Jesus Christ

Now you’re just rejecting a made-up version of MLK in favor of a different made-up version of him.

The_slump_lord #psycho #sexist

I know there are some conservative men out there who fantasize about tricking a young liberal woman into marrying him, and then turning into a total abuser to punish her for not being “properly” conservative… but how often does that actually work in real life? I suspect very rarely, in part because most people aren’t that good of actors or able to keep up a false persona consistently for several months minimum, and in part because the typical conservative only “knows” how liberals think and act based on stuff they collectively made up.

Children’s Health Defense #ableist #conspiracy #quack

Autism is a neuroautoimmune disorder

Apparently there’s a very rare condition called autoimmune encephalitis which is often misdiagnosed as severe autism. Also, for whatever reason (probably a complex genetic interaction, as most genes do not just do one thing) autistic people have 46% higher chance of having/getting certain autoimmune disorders (such as type 1 diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis), but so do their non-autistic close relatives. These two facts seem to be the origin of this particular bit of nonsense.

Russ Winter #wingnut #dunning-kruger #conspiracy

When it comes to technology, quite a lot of conspiracy theorists can’t tell fact from science fiction. They assume that there’s a lot of inaccurate Hollywood Sci-Fi tech unavailable to the general public in the hands of nefarious forces, that failed real technology was secretly perfected and in use by the government, that stuff that probably would work but we still haven’t quite figured it out yet has been in use since the 60s or 70s. But at they same time, they miss a lot of real tech which has been around for awhile, including things which would work better for the evil plots that they imagine or foil them entirely. It doesn’t matter what “patterns” you find when your explanations of them run smack into reality.

Also for that matter, most of them seem to have a poor grasp how other people function, which really doesn’t help either.

Kathleen Blanchard #ableist #wingnut

Donald Trump #racist

Reverse discrimination = privilege. Probably. Or maybe discrimination against the privileged? I mean, the concept of “reverse racism” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, and I’m not sure if this does either.

Itsneverdoneitsneverover #psycho #sexist

Hmm, so assuming this isn’t a troll… pro-extinction anti-natalists often hate themselves for being human, but this one seems to hate himself more for being a man. This gets projected to other men as being equally hateworthy… but despite being bi he’ll only date men because he sees himself unworthy of dating women, or to avoid any risk of pregnancy, or both. I suspect the main reason why he’s pro-trans is because he thinks it’s inevitable sterility, but he’s against “rapehons¹” because it violates the purity of women or something similar. The rest of it makes sense in that context.

¹A “hon” is a trans woman who thinks she’s too masculine or ugly to ever pass, and while I’ve never heard the construction “rapehon”, I’m guessing it’s a reference to the TERFs’ imaginary plague of trans women trying to coerce lesbians into having sex with them.

@Karlmarx900 #246732

Anti-natalists run the gamut from “Let’s stop all the pro-natalist propaganda and let people do want they want without coercion” to “Let’s turn this world into a beautiful dead rock”. The ones near the middle of this scale want people to stop breeding, and then humanity slowly dying off from old age. If they also hate themselves a lot, then they’ll seriously consider committing suicide eventually, but not before getting their message out.

Caribbia #racist #conspiracy #elitist #wingnut

Re: #1: So, basically, subjugated peoples gained the right to vote, and they voted not to be subjugated, with all the consequences that entails, and you’re whining that this was too big of a change, too fast. Sorry, I can’t be too sympathetic about that.

Wayne Allyn Root #wingnut

Personally I’d find it funny that ICE was being emasculated (by conservative standards) just for a childish joke.

Boskov01 #transphobia #fundie

Zohran Mamdani and Sadiq Khan being mayors of major world cities within white-dominant countries (NYC and London, respectively) is totally breaking their minds, isn’t it? Especially since they’re both liberal and openly support LGBTQIA+ rights, which just does not compute.

Forward Synthesis #wingnut #psycho

Parents With Inconvenient Truths about Trans #transphobia

…body parts and reshaping them into humps, tails, fangs, beards, wings, and just about anything a wizard can think of.

I support ~~wizards~~ furries having the right to radical body autonomy just as I do with trans and non-binary people.

Tucker Carlson #wingnut

NATO is already sending soldiers to Greenland. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the other member states are weighing the pros, cons, and risks of potential nuclear exchange.

Americaman #wingnut #psycho #racist

The thing about these comics is that Americaman is meant to be an idiot liberal. This leads to occasional strips where most people would be utterly baffled about what’s supposed to be wrong with it. Mostly it’s about grotesque racist or queerphobic stereotypes doing bad things and Americaman protecting them from anyone who tries to stop them.

It might seem weird that a US flag themed superhero is being depicted this way, but he’s obviously meant to be a parody of Captain America, who is way too woke for the MAGA crowd.

Mike Lindell #conspiracy #pratt #wingnut

He’s made a fool of himself multiple times over how the Dominion voting machines could not possibly be hacked in the way he insists that they were hacked, and lost everything over that, yet he never learns. He’s just left with “Hugo Chávez hacked them, but we have no idea how” despite Chávez having died in 2013. Even if there was some sort of beyond-the-grave plot which was secretly enacted in 2020 which we still have no idea how it could have been done, it doesn’t follow that Nicolás Maduro has any idea how it was done either. Or maybe Lindell changed his mind and thinks Maduro did it? Which isn’t a whole lot better.

various commenters #wingnut #racist

Being called anti semetic is the new "racist" or "homophobe".

No, we still call people like you racists and homophobes when you are those. Also “antisemitic” has been in continuous use since the late 19th century, it’s not new in any sense nor has anyone stopped calling people like you that.

One Who Serves via James McConnell #ufo #magick #wingnut #conspiracy

@Peacemonger373 #245966
Considering that none of those depict the same future, probably metaphorically in some sense?

Also, I don’t know if Star Wars or Stargate canonically explain what their energy sources are, but in Star Trek the primary source for Spaceships is Matter-Antimatter annihilation. That’s not “free energy”, you have to make the antimatter somehow. Or, I guess, you could collect the minuscule traces of antimatter being produced by the sun, but I can’t see that as being very practical - if you’re that close, there are so many easy ways to generate far larger amounts of energy, and you could probably just convert the excess into antimatter much faster and more cheaply than it would be to collect it.

SiriusB Shaman #crackpot #magick #conspiracy

Weirdest explanation of the “Mandela Effect” I’ve ever seen. Also either entirely made up, or a particularly extreme version of it in action.

GammaBawm #homophobia #dunning-kruger

Back in the late 2000s to early 2010s there were a lot of younger people - mainly but not exclusively kids around 8-14 who didn’t know any better - who used “gay” to mean “uncool” (similar to the earlier “lame”) and “-fag” as a suffix (or occasionally by itself) as a general insult. One of the earliest and oddest uses of the latter was “realfag”, referring to someone who is rarely or never online. (It was likely inspired by the Japanese otaku slang term “riajuu” basically meaning “real lifer”). Regardless, it went away once LGBTQIA+ people became a lot more visible online and some of those kids truly understood how offensive they were being. I have heard that it persisted awhile longer in First-Person Shooter games as a way to mock people’s manhood, (and this post seems to suggest that it may have actually started there, though I can’t confirm that) mainly by late teens and 20-somethings who generally did know how offensive it was, they just didn’t care. Meanwhile open homophobes continued to use it the same way as always.

Both terms originate from the early 20th century. I’m not sure if “gay” was ever a pejorative - and if it was, it wasn’t for all that long - but “fag” has always been a slur which has never been reclaimed to any meaningful extent. The fact that some ignorant kids used them differently for a few years and some immature and “edgy” young adults pretended that they were using it differently for longer doesn’t mean that it popped into existence in 2009 or whenever or that people are just randomly taking offense for no reason.

Anonymous #sexist #homophobia

There have never been any meaningful consequences for AMAB people for straying too far from cisheteronormativity? Maybe during some times and places if they were high-level nobility or extremely rich, but otherwise that’s completely ahistorical.