Zinnia

@Zinnia

letsgobish29 #sexist #homophobia

In mainstream media, same-sex relationships were nearly always played as a disaster (tragic, dramatic, comedic, whatever) or as something doomed, prior to 2008 (in the US anyway, I don’t know about elsewhere). Sometimes for “moral” reasons, sometimes because it’s easier to get it past the studio execs / editors / other gatekeepers, sometimes because it’s a cheap and lazy plot device. Even post-2008, it didn’t die out overnight, and only in the past few years has mainstream media as a whole been held to a higher standard. If that’s all you’ve seen, then that part of it is an understandable attitude. Dumb and wrong, but understandable.

The rest is pure garbage.

Mick Williams #fundie

Incel-in-Hell #sexist

Atavistic Autist. Akhnai and needsolution #sexist #psycho

You know, at this point I think that the kind of incel who posits over-the-top, society-wide revenge fantasies against women as some kind of goal are worse at planning than underpants gnomes.

Step 1: ????
Step 2: ???????
Step 3: Profit!

Dincel_Washington #sexist

This is slightly more sane than the usual incel drivel. That does not make it correct, sane, or not drivel.

I don’t think this is an improvement regardless, as it’s in the service of cult mentality.

johnyb #psycho

There are two basic kinds of nihilists, positive and negative. Negative nihilists are what most people imagine when they hear the term, and are frequently represented by vile cretins like this. Positive nihilists, like myself, well… “you’re doing it wrong” is the nicest thing we can say about even the non-horrible ones.

Inceljoe #sexist

Add “strong” and “confident” to the list of concepts incels don’t understand.

Anonymous #racist #dunning-kruger

It’s cringey when ignorant pre-teens spread that kind of nonsense around. It’s even more cringey when ignorant college-age douchebags do.

Teutonic Knight #sexist

I don’t particularly care about being first or last (though at my age, I’d be hesitant to be an early-20-something’s first for ethical reasons, but besides that) I only care about the experiences we have together for however long we’re together. I suspect that my attitude is fairly common, though I’ve never really asked.

fOreVER #sexist

Chad Ripperger #fundie #quack

There’s a rare medical condition, I forgot what it’s called and couldn’t find it by googling (but I know I posted the name of it before on an older version of this site) which causes someone to hallucinate fanged faces on people, animals, and objects. Assuming it’s not a con, it could be that.

8chan posters #sexist

On one hand, I get it, it’s kind of like asking a devout religious person “why don’t you just try not following certain cherished precepts of your religion?” Even if it would genuinely solve the problem, it’s disrespectful and patronizing and is no-way-in-hell happening even if they don’t understand why. On the other hand, part of your problem is that you’re the kind of person who reacts to personal issues which you don’t understand by joining a fucking stupid insanity cult.

randman78 #sexist

I used to hear the assertion by men that men *only* like slim ’n’ stacked, except for a few guys here and there which have terrible tastes, and that porn was a conspiracy to push plain women and gross freaks on unsuspecting viewers. Also women don’t care about looks at all, only male dominance and/or money. Looks like that pendulum has shifted, and it’s still wrong.

Tall and muscular isn’t my type. Average-sized and slim, please, at least for the superficial porn fantasies. For real life, submissive personality’s what matters most.

Chad Ripperger #fundie

This is like when back in the 80s there were fundies who insisted that the D&D books gave instructions how to cast real witchcraft spells.

ordinaryotaku #racist

Occasionally I wonder if people like this somehow experience a mild uncanny valley effect in regards to one or more races other than their own, and then they go and find as many ways as possible to psychologically amplify that effect until they’re living in a cosmic horror world where monstrous, tentacled abominations freely walk among us, devouring our sanity and souls, and they’re among those strong enough to break free of whatever influence makes most of us sheep… well, not that exactly, but something roughly similar and less extreme. Probably not true, but it would explain a lot.

Eugenicist #crackpot #psycho

People who lack empathy understand the concept about as well as blind people understand color. Except for the fact that blind people don’t make up bizarre garbage ideologies about color.

hurrayforathrowaway and Danielle_Baptiste #sexist

One of the things which grates on a lot of people is that, while you have the right to raise children according to your own beliefs and values, you do not have the right to raise them free of outside influences which may contradict those beliefs and values. (In theory, anyway. In practice, certain groups have always been somewhat privileged in that regard, though less so in modern times. And you can always join an isolated commune or similar.) This has been an issue for parents who have to live in the mainstream while being ideologically outside of it since forever.

Wanting to raise children free of gendered influences isn’t actually wrong, it’s just not realistic. The OP seems to have a weirdly sexist reasoning for doing it, though, which shows that, at best, they are well-meaning but are fully steeped in the kind of influences that they want their children to be free of, which isn’t a good place to work their ideals from. At worst they’re some kind of bigot against the concept of gender itself, with a dislike of masculinity in particular.

theblackpeople #racist

This is the racist version of “don’t argue with women, just deal with them as you would a misbehaving/petulant child”. The justifications for that sort of thing are usually ableist as hell, and still would be even if their assertions matched reality. And add to *that* the fact that their ways of dealing with children are often stupidly bad as well, and you’ve got a Dunning-Kruger at least three levels deep.

johnnyb #racist #sexist #psycho

I checked, apparently “sea” is short for “South East Asia”. Vietnamese cuisine, or at least the version westerners are familiar with, seems to be rather noodle-heavy… I’m not sure why one would want a harem of people one is overtly racist towards, but it takes all types I guess.

HonklerTheConqueror #fundie #racist #sexist #psycho

Now, admittedly there are atheists who are extra sooper rashional and all “checkmate theists”. And you can find a lot of them on Youtube. Sadly, those people aren’t much better than the types who get mocked here… like, say, you.

David Duke #racist #conspiracy

It’s racism against white people to not allow them to enforce institutional racism against everyone else, part too many to count.

Oh, hi there Dukey. When you finally kick the bucket from old age, hardly anyone will miss you.

Mick Williams #fundie

Most of this I don’t even know what the fuck Mick is talking about, but I figured I should comment on this one:

The CEO of Gillette has no regrets about his transgender ads costing him eight billion in revenue.

Most of the “SJW-ish” commercials are for products owned by various companies which are themselves owned by Proctor & Gamble. (There have been occasional exceptions, but Gillette isn’t one of them.) If there was ever a good reason to use the phrase “virtue signalling” it would probably be in regards to P&G; and yet, they keep doing it because they usually gain a lot more money than they lose. Of course there would be no regrets!

Art Nickel #wingnut

Look, like, some people are just gonna lazy, and as long as you’re going to pay people for being unproductive one way or another, why not pay them to *not* be involved in important stuff? That’s just efficiency.

(My likely poor attempt to explain “socialism” on a level these types can understand)

Unconfidence #sexist #dunning-kruger

There’s a point here, sort of. Making bad decisions is usually better than making no decisions, and confidence plays a major role in that. On the other hand, while confidence and competence aren’t mutually exclusive, they’re somewhat antagonistic to each other, making it hard to find someone who is both.

Unconfidence #sexist #psycho

Here’s the thing: There’s enough variety to human existence that there’s probably no one system which could work for everyone. With every society which has ever existed, there are those who consider it perfect (or close enough) and have trouble imagining it not being perfect for others. Then there are those who merely consider it okay, or those who don’t like it but aren’t willing to rock the boat much. And then those who will hate it, and end up getting sacrificed in some sense in order to keep the system going, making them hate it even more.

The goal of progressives is to create a society where, whatever other issues there might be, no one is inherently disadvantaged due to race, gender, sexual orientation/identity, religion, social class, etc. We do not live in that society yet, nor do we have any good answers for those who aren’t comfortable without the existence of a “lowest class” which they can feel superior to simply by not bing part of it, particularly since such people would effectively be the “lowest class” under a truly progressive society.

…Also, your idea of “love” is kind of nightmarish to some people, and always has been, despite how it’s often been glorified in pop culture.

Mick Williams #fundie

“Before you demand that another removes the plank from their own eye, first douse your scalp because your hair is on fire” …An evil person who points out evils which they don’t engage in is not a hypocrite is what I was going to say, but then I remembered that Mick Williams comes from the school of thought where all evils are equivalent if not identical… so.

(Responding to the “all the evils unknown to their side” part, if that’s not obvious.)

And then he goes and claims all lefties are communists. As if.

Lady Checkmate #fundie

G2geek #psycho

@Malingspann: If you’re trying to be inclusive of transfolk here, that’s not how you do it, as a transman’s vagina is still a male genitalia, for example. What you do is say something like “penis-having person” or “vagina-having person”. I’ve also seen things like “bepenised” and “vaginated”, though usually only in a humorous context.

Maggots on a Train v2 #transphobia

@SpukiKitty: Just remember that *all* of Natalie’s personas, current and former, are varying degrees of fiction. The closest one to her real, current self is Josephine, but even that’s not quite her. If you want to see her speaking as herself, here’s a good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ix9jxid2YU (This is *not* on the Contrapoints channel). It’s okay to be infatuated with her characters, even if they’re male, or at least not any worse than being infatuated with any other fictional character, so long as you don’t mistake them for whoever plays their role. It’s also okay to be into androgyny, or be a Kinsey 1 who is into Natalie herself even though you’re not generally into women, or whatever reason.

(Disclosure, if it matters: I’m a Kinsey 2 who finds her attractive both pre- and post-transition, but I don’t like a lot of the drag outfits. That doesn’t mean I’d want to date her; the whole minor celebrity thing’s kind of a turn-off, among other things.)

@Everyone on the whole skinny transwomen thing: While it’s true that a lot of transwomen try extra super hard to be conventionally attractive, and losing weight is part of that, there are plenty of heavier transwomen. I know one personally. They just don’t show themselves off nearly as much.

kingturtle #sexist #racist #psycho

These female sex slaves come from poorer countries, are criminals, whores, etc.

Let’s go through this in reverse order:

etc.: What would even be among the etc. after this? Parents selling off their daughters for being LGBTQ+ or “disobedient”? That’s the only thing I can come up with offhand. I can’t imagine that there would be anything less cruel than this.

whores: Redundant in most places currently, as prostitution is illegal. Also pure semantics even where it isn’t, because if you’re kidnapping voluntary sex workers and forcing them into involuntary sex slavery when you’re also doing the same to criminals, then the only difference is lack of trials.

criminals: When oppressed people are in demand for slave labor, there’s also a demand for trumped-up charges. Aside from the fact that quite a lot of attractive women would be locked away for trivialities, or even nothing, you’d basically be creating prisons which are brothels even though brothels are essentially or actually illegal… and also incels mostly don’t like brothels, which kind of defeats the purpose. (I mean, if it being presumably voluntary was the only thing holding them back, then why don’t they seek out child sex traffickers or some other such shit?) So they’d be having lots of sex with… people who are not incels… so… um… hmm. I’d ask if this is this secretly an elaborate “fuck me or I’ll accuse you of a crime” setup, but that’s almost certainly overthinking it and they’re just stupid.

poorer countries: Being born in a country with low GDP is equivalent to committing a crime now?

Lady Checkmate #fundie

@SpukiKitty: The way at least some of them see it, if the world is a very unequal place, then the virtuous will “naturally” rise to the top, and the sinners will sink to the bottom. There’s a lot of self-serving fear and neuroticism going on here, because some have a desperate need to know whether they’re among the “good” ones. This is often in addition to or instead of the “antisocialism”.

Of course, they forget something: camel, eye, needle, and all that.

Seqeu #sexist

This is a distortion of a real phenomenon which occurs in humans and other species, but “hierarchy” probably isn’t involved here, and it’s not specific to women.

To use a highly simplified example, let’s say that there are three men and three women, all hetero, who know each other very well and aren’t much involved with anyone else. None have any standout traits which might make some of them more interesting to certain others, and all would be reasonably happy with any of the others of the opposite sex. This may lead to a situation where everyone wants to date, but no one’s sure who to go for. Regardless, at some point a couple semi-randomly forms out of this group and dates for awhile. It goes well. And then, one of the couple needs to move far away so they break up amicably, or dies, or otherwise becomes permanently available.

What’s likely, but far from guaranteed, to happen within the next few months: The remaining member of the former couple will have the remaining two people of the opposite sex fighting over them. Perhaps out of envy (“I want what they had”) perhaps out of proven reliability (“they were a good relationship partner, I don’t know about the others”) or even out of curiosity (“he/she must have seen something special in them, I want to know what it is”). Regardless of the individual motivation, there’s a subtle instinctive bias going on here - it probably has a name, but I don’t remember what it is. It can result in a pretty unfair situation, but life isn’t always fair in far more ways than that.

RadiantUpstairs #sexist

Good people get taken off the dating market. Bad men linger. Bad women get harassed by bad men and leave. A gross oversimplification, but you don’t need to get into eugenics to explain the online dating market.

Andrew Anglin #racist

If it wasn’t for the bit of racism, I don’t know if this should be tagged “body shaming” or “adipophobia” because neither of those terms actually refer to this particular flavor of bigotry.

I *really* hope this is just Anglin, otherwise we’re going to need a new word for talking about all the forms of Nazi hate.

Mitch McConnell #racist

Look, Turtleman, people only care about two things from you right now: 1. Are Republicans going to condemn Trump and back off the racism? 2. Are you going to stop being an even bigger threat to American democracy than Trump himself? Nobody cares about your whole “virtues of pure capitalism” thing you’re trying to push here.

CuckCuckITChicken #sexist

@J68_Blair: Of course it’s the woman’s fault! If women were pure virgins who constantly fuck incels on demand because incels are virgins since all those women who are constantly fucking them on demand aren’t fucking them at all, causing a paradox where everyone on earth is simultaneously an eternal virgin and has had an infinite number of sexual partners… then… um… what was I talking about again?

Kay Fay, 20years as a trained and experienced catechist and lay minister #fundie

I’d ask why Satan “brings death” when God is doing 99.999% of the smiting and ordering all of the wars and purges, but then again some fundies refer to heaven as a gift of “eternal life” but don’t refer to hell as the same way. Instead they say the “wages of sin are death” and hell is where the sinners go, so… they probably just have a weird concept of “death”.

Kevin McCarthy #racist #wingnut

The increasingly open, increasingly difficult-to-deny racism by Republicans has been going very poorly outside of their base, and the usual tactic - redefine “racism” to mean not them - has never worked well, and still isn’t. Kevin McCarthy seems to be among the few who are experimenting with an outside-of-the-box approach, by framing racist speech as a free-speech issue, and also framing criticism of racist speech as something which only people who hate free speech (such as “Socialists”) would do. On one level I’m curious if this comes from a perversion of Karl Popper’s tolerance paradox, or if it comes from somewhere stupid… on the other hand, I hope that it crashes and burns in an embarassing way before we ever find out.

Liptusg #sexist

TL:DR’d most of it, so focusing on the beginning:

"We have nothing against virgins. Also, only a terrible person could end up a virgin."

Says no one ever, unless they’re being a huge troll. Look, maybe you never figured it out in high school, but some teenage girls are assholes, and some aren’t. They’re not a chaotic hive mind. For that matter, hive minds don’t even *work* as minds when they’re chaotic.

"We don't hate virgins, some of my best beta orbiters friends are virgins! We just hate those pathetic misogynistic incels who are entitled and blame their problems on whamenz! Work on ur shitty personality"

Even on it’s own terms this is not a contradiction, unless you assume that “beta orbiters” are inherently misogynists, or that women/girls *only* like them because they’re virgins. Which is not something I recall any incel even hinting at.

"The reason I can get face-fucked by 10 Chads on Tinder in a rape-play session…”

Let’s stop right there. This is pure incel misery wankfest. Also, Tinder is a *terrible* way to arrange a gangbang.

trilllizard666 #sexist

especially women that say "oh yeah gender roles are fake"

You fail at gender roles vs. gender identity. And possibly gender performance as well. You can be forgiven for your ignorance, but that forgiveness doesn’t come with a passing grade.

“The rules” are mostly no longer being made by people who insist 2+2=1. Get used to it.

Christopher Cantwell #racist #wingnut

Dude! Banned from Gab?! When even other Nazis deplatform you from their safe space, maybe you might want to do a little self-reflection?

Marse Jim #racist

Gary Pearse #wingnut

Funny thing: The real-world “New World Order” concept was created by the Senior president Bush in 1990 - a Republican. Liberals rejected it from the start, conservatives rejected it later when the conspiracy theorists got a hold of it and turned it into something more sinister, and may have contributed to his being a one-termer.

Since then, there have been some liberals who dreamed of a One World Government, though that idea never gained any political traction. And this sometimes gets tarred as a “New World Order”, which in a sense it is. But none of the three (Bush’s Original, the Conspiracy Theory Version, or The Liberal Version) have much of anything to do with each other, despite the occasional insistence that they’re all the same thing.

Dave Gahary, James Fetzer and Mike Palecek #conspiracy

Donald Trump #conspiracy #wingnut

Andrew Anglin #racist #psycho

@JeanP: How does that make sense? Have someone else run a Nazi site and make profits off promoting Nazism?

[Edit] I suppose if there was a separate bank or merchant account used to fund the site, and he’s the sole owner of it, then you could seize the account, but that’s not taking the website itself. I also don’t imagine that would pay more than a trivial portion of the money he owes.

canino1997 #sexist #psycho

Whether this happened or not, a lot of incels are trying to out-edgelord each other. It’s not like they have anything better to do. They’ve sunk so low, or were born so wrong, that anything they would do of their own volition could not meaningfully be called “better”.

Anonymous #psycho

@Passerby: Blind rage and calculated disposal don't quite follow so naturally. Neither does remorse and dismissive justification.

Normally, someone who kills in a blind rage will then go about their day normally after repressing that incident entirely (even sometimes if the corpse is present), or flee the scene, or panic and call for help. That being said, there do exist people whose response is a calm “welp, that was dumb, how do I cover up the crime?” such people might feel regret at their own stupidity, especially if they get caught, but will almost never display remorse - they’re either repressing it or not capable of it.

Of course this person might still be making it up for attention, but sadly, it’s plausible.

Semencollector5000 #quack #crackpot

Semen retentionists think that not ejaculating gives them more energy and a minor boost to IQ, while ejaculation drains them of “vital force” and deprives them of that benefit for days. And when they do eventually have sex for the purpose of procreating, all that stored-up semen will increase the chances of causing pregnancy of in the first few tries, allowing them to regain their vital force sooner. This supposedly gives them an edge over other men in life, allowing greater long-term success than they would otherwise achieve, which is what the “investment” here refers to.

This is not a new idea. It’s been around for a very long time, at least a century, probably longer. It’s also just as stupid as flat earth, homeopathy, or anti-vax, just more obscure than any of those.