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92g #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The is as about as silly as it gets. As an unbeliever, you are not in a position to say what the God that created you is allowed to do and what he is not allowed to do. It may be deceptive if he told you to make invalid assumptions, make some measurements, and then claim you know the age of the universe, but he did not do that. Someone else did that, and your gullible enough to believe them, so don't fuss about God deceiving you.

The Bible states "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth". That's really all he needs to say for you to realize that you are deceiving yourself.

There are other scientific data points that indicate the earth is young, e.g. the earth's magnetic field, and the helium found in zircons, so while you have done a good job of deceiving yourself, please don't be offended if we don't join you your delusion.

www.evolutionfairytale.com #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[More lying for Jesus]

PRESS RELEASE, NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC

DENVER April 1, 2000 - A new fossil has been found that may throw a huge wrench into the current evolutionary paradigm for the origin of elephants. Univ. of Colorado biology professor Scott L. Eugenie commented that "we might as well throw out the elephant with the bathwater, if we accept this fossil as what it appears to be".

The fossil was discovered in a lava bed in the southern part of the Congo, near the small village of Geheradhanda. It was in a layer suggesting it originated from the Cretaceous period some 50 million years ago. The main fossil appears to be that of a trunk, while other fragments found 50 yards away appear to be imprints of feathers! This new discovery is shaking the evolutionary community. Many scientists are jumping on the flying bandwagon, others are jumping into the sea and sticking with the aquatic hypothesis. Harvard paleontologist Stephen Gould is skeptical: "I still think the elephant can trace his great, great ancestor to a fish". Others disagree. Richard Dawkins of Cambridge was ecstatic "flying elephants seem very feasible to me. This fossil demonstrates clearly and irrevocably this apparent certainty". He went on to add "I knew we would find more transitional fossils, I can't wait to hear what the creationists have to say!". The fossil has been dubbed Elaphantavianicus Bigfairytalicus.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

When adding evolution to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.

1) If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory? Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?

2) If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.

3) Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?

4) Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?

5) Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com

Ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[Understood.
At Adam and Eve, the first humans with souls. Around the time when He put them in the garden.
At the fall when Adam and Eve disobeyed God.]

So Adam and Eve were the first man and woman in the "evolution" process? Can you back that up in scripture?

Also, why was this not included in Darwin's book? He was a Christian at one time. So why would he leave this out?

Added: So here I show that not only does the bible not support this. But Darwin's book does not support this.

Dave #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Now, I leave it up to those with more scientific experience and desire to argue it than me to debate the ins and outs of what happened in scientific history. But in the plainest, most basic sense, if a scientific "fact" directly contradicts the Bible, then the scientists need to go back to the labs and come up with a new fact.

I've browsed through a great deal of the TalkOrigins website. All of the arguments there have one thing in common -- that all evolutionistic study proceeds from presuppostion that evolution is a fact. It's really a horribly dishonest, circular and unscientific way to do science when you think about it.

Origen #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

To build a bridge between science and faith is to question whether or not the United States has gone into communism and abandoned freedom of religion and speech in America? Has evolution become the State religion?
Being a former heavy metal vocalist (yeah--I took a piss) I can testify that the music Industry has fashioned evolution AND the occult has normalcy in the form of ritual Darwinism. Most of all the songs today in the Hard Rock world combine the occult and evolution in their lyrics. The Industry are some of the worst Special Interest groups out there on a limb. Their influence has grown into a ginormous following of Devil Worshipping Darwiniacs. I mean this is serious occult and capable of brainwashing a multitude into the NewAge Occult. And all this is done first in politics, for the purpose of legalizing drugs and destroying the right for the Church to remain on State property. Christian metal (or co-called) today is usually owned by secular labels which water down the lyrics and eventually ruin the Christian bands with drugs and idolatry. Music is the biggest form of expression and today's youth can only hear what their peers hear and thats occultic evolution (i.e., theistic evolution; the same mystic faith of Hitler believe it or not. Consider this: The Jesus of Dan Brown is the same Jesus of Hitler! As Jesus would say, "he who has an ear better listen!").

lionheart209 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Neandertals never existed, they are a figment of evolutionists imaginations, The first man Adam was inteligent, not some unga bunga neandertal like evolutionists would like you to believe.
All through history we see evidence of inteligence, for example: the sphinx was built around the time Christ walked the Earth, yet even today we have a hard time duplicating that technology.

There is absolutely no evidence to support a sub-human unga bunga uninteligent human/neandertal.
It's just another made up story by evolutionists along with the idea of millions or billions of years.
See http://www.answersingenesis.org for more on this issue.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

When adding evolution to God's creation, there are some things that need to be considered.

1) If evolution goes so well with God, why did Darwin have to recant his faith in order to write his theory? Can we do something the originator of evolution could not?

2) If evolution goes so well with God, then it should be used to bring people closer to God. And there should not be people losing their faith due to believing it.

3) Evolution should be used as a salvation tool, if it works so well with God. The preaching of it alone should draw people to the front of the church to get saved. But is this what we see?

4) Evolutionists argue that evolution is not a religion. But yet will accept someone who mixes both as one of their own. And will defend them in debates as well. Can a non-religous subject be combined with a religous one and work without turning the non-religous one into religion?

5) Evolution and God working together should not promote God hate sites like FSTDT.com

Added: 6) And if theistic evolution is ok, why is it such a problem that Darwin may have recanted it on his death bed so he could be right with God and go to heaven?

ikester7579 #conspiracy evolutionfairytale.com

It works the same way with cancer. Do you actually think as long as cancer has been around that there is really no cure?

Cancer is a multi billion dollar industry for both the government, and industry. A cure would cause so many things to go obsolete, and so many jobs lost. That to actually present a cure, would cost more than allowing no cure to exist.

This is why some diseases, like the one you mention, seem kinda strange the way they catagorize it. And treat it. The treatment is always costly, and there is a reason for that.

And also, these treatments basically stay the same as well. And there is a reason for that.

In my life time I have seen about 50 different hopeful drugs, or treatment stratigies get announced on tv for cancer. Ever wonder why you never see a follow up on this? Hope make us never ask questions. For as long as in our minds we think a cure is being worked on, no one ever looks into it.

side note: This is my personal opinion, which may not be the opinion of forum owner.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[On Richard Dawkins]

Only prayer can break a hateful reprobate mind like this. All he will do is laugh at you, imply that you are uneducated, ignorant, all because you believe in God and will not conform to his views.

There's is no reasoning with people who promote the same hate as Hitler did.

origen #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

My Indian friend is from the same tribe that killed the famous atheistic General Custard. A Cherokee. I have a smidge of Sue Indian in me so we get along pretty well when we get the chance to talk. He's a smart guy and an expert on snakes. I've gone out searching for snakes with him before and he finds them so easily! I am not going to state his name and address because by law I do not have to. Now my friend has learned from the really old Indian Chiefs about the old Indian beliefs vs. the popular NewAge Indian beliefs. He says he don't listen to the younger chiefs because they are more into the Hindu Indian than the Cherokee Indian beliefs. He says that the Chrisitian faith is actually the same faith has the Cherokee---and he detest NewAgers, keep that in mind. He does have his share of complaints about the local Christiains and like to humble them when they get ouot of line with their holier than thou attitude backed up with no real moral actions. He respects the Bible has truth and says, "You'd have to be crazy not to believe Jesus is not the Son of God." He says that the White Buffalo represents the pouring of the Holy Spirit in the Indian terms of language. He also says that the Great Spirit represents an Eternal, monotheistic God; not just nature or the universe like in NewAge pantheism. He still does the sun dance., but this is done for tradition and it doesn't mean that they deny the One true God--they've lived by His moral standard! He also firmly states that evolutionists are insane to think that the American Indians have been on the Contenant for as long has evolutionists have claimed. He's YEC all the way! I trust what he says because I know his heart has changed into a very nobel and wise charactor. I've known him for years and I know every sin he's suffered from in the past. But he is a man, a warrior now, a future Chief of the great Cherokee nation which will return...will return, will return, will return, will return....

[bonus points for saying will return four times...]

origen #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

I hope I didn't say too much. I know that the Humanist Manifesto has their own secret police in America. This is not some conspiracy theory I'm making up...I'm living that terror right now!! It is something that will become a very big issue for Americans in the coming near future. If Americans were smart, they would stand up and extremely large protest rallys and protest the control evolutionists AND the Bush Administration has over the public. Between the two of them our country has become a living terror.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[In response to how Egyption and Chinese written history preceed 6000 years]

It is also a known fact that some countries faked the dates of their writtings because they wanted to be known as the oldest peoples on the earth. Or the first to write, or discover things.

origen #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

this is the Internet and I will not just give out the location of him or his tribe so that humanists can track him down and kill him or hurt him and his tribe. After all, its the theory of evolution that hurt the Indians, not the faith in Christ. General Custard was an atheist...not a Christian.

Origen #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The vast majority of Christian forums even are taken over by atheist who have infiltrated the ranks of Christianity...nothing new. Their Networking system has reached far and wide and they have power and power to manipulate law. These forums are run like Casinos in the sense that circular arguments are tolerated, but, any discussion that could lead to the conviction of a soul to Christ will be deleted at an instant. Christians that know their faith and can defend it from criticism are considered no different then Card-counters in a Casino and removed from the forum at once. Anyone who disagrees with Darwin is a threat to the Darwinian New World Order (i.e., Social Darwinism).

Satan is the being behind this and he wants to increase unbelief so that he can dominate a person who will become the AntiChrist. The way is being pathed right now and evolution is the philosophy that is being heavily pushed in Christianity right now.

Origen #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The Indians understand that it was not the words found in the Holy Bible that took their lives away from them. They know that it was not all white men that hated them. They know that the theory of evolution and the humanistic values that come natural through hate had turned many a white man into a racist. They saw the Indian has unevolved and too stupid to continue living. So the Indians lost more than their lands, their culture, their faith, and their human rights--indeed, they lost their very souls. The image and likeness of God in their race was taken right out of them, and thats by and large the main reason why there is so much alcoholism and drug abuse on Indian communities today.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The reason Christian are h*m*ph*bic is because it is not natural. And is considered a sin. But we are called this if we bring up the subject. And for what reason?

Guilt, shame and peer pressure is the best tool to get someone to either back off, or conform through fear of ridicule. So where does this type of control come from when one person controls another in this fashion?

It's a form of witchcraft. When one person is controlled by another, and is forced to do things against their will through all the things mentioned above. It's a form of witchcraft. It is more so when you use these things to keep someone from doing what is right, and make them do what is wrong.

But what about the Christianphobics? Are they really against all religion, or only one religion? Let us take the Islamic candidate for U.S. President. Do we hear separation of church and state while this guy tries to run? Do we hear that he may try and turn the nation into a religion through his faith? NO!

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

But it's not like H*m*sexuals are knocking on your door on Sunday afternoons, handing you leaflets that say if you don't turn g*y you will tortured for the rest of your existence.]

You know where the trash can is, correct? If you don't want to read the stuff, toss it. It's your choice.

But h*m*sexuals do call churches and test them on what they allow to go on in their church. This is so they will record what they say pertaining to their lifestyle. And if they can make them say the wrong thing, they get together and file a class action lawsuit to sue the church right out of bussiness.

Now which is worse, the leaflets that can be thrown away?
Or being sued and your whole life ruined?

So don't try the guilt trip game here.

Springer #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Furthermore, outrageous claims cannot be disproven. The theory of evolution is non-falsifiable. Every single obstacle encountered, regardless of how insurmountable, is swept under the rug with the excuse that "someday further research will explain these minor details." Evolution has proclaimed itself to be a fact because it has discarded the only competing theory... intelligent design.

Springer #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

AIDS does not behave like an infectious disease...
...essentially nonexistent in teenagers
... essentially nonexistent in female prostitutes not using drugs
... essentially nonexistent in wives of male hemophiliacs
... cannot be produced in laboratory animals
... predominantly affects males in USA and Europe... no other infectious disease discriminates based on gender.
... requires 10 to 20 years after "exposure" to produce disease.

All of the above indicators point to a lifestyle disease, NOT an infectious disease.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[I've searched and searched and I can't find any evidence that Haeckel was ever put on trial for fraud [for his embryonic drawings]]

This is great. Evolutionist-atheist are denying this by omitting it from their websites. I can only find it listed on creationists websites which proves the point I made earlier about with holding information as a form of deception, or lies.

So it never happend eh?

So what's next? Omit the holocaust? There are already several atheist websites saying it never hapened. People believe what they want, and you can believe that Haeckel was never put on trial by his university. Makes no difference to me.

Fred Williams #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[Hypocrite much?]

I quickly banned Broan for his profane-laced post. He is a good example of a person whose mind is made up despite the evidence, who knows he's wrong, and instead of arguing evidence resorts to ad homenim attack. [...] Broan was not man enough to admit he was lying (emphasis added)

Springer #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Evolution is a religion because it is based on ideology, not science. It assumes the non-existence of intelligent design. Evolutionists will readily concede that intelligent design is not falsifiable, so they arbitrarily falsify it not through science, but through belief They proclaim that evoluiton is a fact of nature by eliminating the only competing theory, intelligent design. If they cannot disprove ID, then why do they assume it doesn't exist? The answer is because they're not interested in truth... only in proving themselves correct.

(emphasis original)

92g #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

1) I would guess that ~50 times more people have been killed in the name of no God with Darwinism as its system of origins in the last 100 or so years than all of what have been killed in the name of God, rightly or wrongly, in the entirety of human history.

2) Most of the killing done in the name of religion was Satanic.

3) Christianity is not a religion, its a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I don't like religion either, Godless religions such as yours, or false religions, especially false Chrisitianity.

ikester7579 #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

And I have a problem with all the deaths connected to evolution.

1) Hitler used it to kill over 6 million people of one race.
2) Abortionist used Haeckel's faked drawing to get laws past to abort babies in the last trimester.

So evolution even has the blood of aborted babies on it's hands, as well as God's chosen people. So don't act as if evolution has never hurts anyone. And I have only touched the surface of those who have been killed in it's name.

Fred Williams #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

I believe the Bible overwhelmingly supports a <U>swift</U> death penalty for murder, rape, homosexuality, adultery, kidnapping, and yes, even unrepentant cursing of your parents. [...] If you work through the logical consequences, it is brilliant wisdom that would have saved countless lives

Dave #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[Dave's "proof" that all carnivores were originally herbivores before the fall]

We have four cats who used to be outdoor cats, and who used to be extremely adept hunters, eating snakes, lizards, birds, small rabbits, voles, mice, etc. A couple of years ago we converted them over to indoor cats where they were getting only bagged cat food. We discovered quite by accident that being indoors all the time they weren't having their need for greens met. See, they could munch on grass when they were outside, but they now rely on us to give them their grass ration every morning. If we don't they definitely make it known to us. They crave the stuff.

Because of this, we discovered that our dog, who is mostly an inside dog, really likes getting lettuce, broccoli, carrots, potatoes, etc., and only eats her bagged dog food after she's gleaned what she can from my son's plate (ahem).

There is no way you could convince me that our dog and our cats couldn't live on a balanced vegetarian diet. Yahoo! The Bible is right again. No surprise there.

92g #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Fossilzed T-rex's may appear to be carnivore's, but they were fossilzed during the flood.

That doesn't disprove the possiblity that they ate a vegitarian diet before the fall, and changed between that time.

The flood being the prmiary cause of the fossils we find is also why you would never to expect to find any of them fossilzed before they changed, if they changed.

Its also possible that they they ate a vegitarian diet. You don't know enough about T-rex's to claim much about them at all, except that they were very big, and had a nice set of teeth.

Fred Williams #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

I disagree with the premise of the geologic column, since there is no evidence for it (it only exists in the text books). Mt St Helens was your death knell, since even some unbelieving geologist scientists admit 90% of all geology was overturned by that event. Now you even have a growing number of evos who admit the evidence for the Grand Canyon supports the theory that it was carved out rapidly by a water breech. So much for the “geologic column” existing there!

Fred Williams #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[How to spot an evo-babbler, emphasis original]

3) Claims you are quoting evolutionists out of context. An all time Talk.Origins classic! 90% probability!

2) Asks you to quote from the proper scientific literature (i.e only pro-evolution literature). This brings a solid 90% probability you have a genuine evo-babbler on your hands!

1) And the number one sure sign – cites articles from the Talk.Origins repository, where you will be fortunate to find 1 scholarly article out of every 50. If done just once, it still registers in at an impressive 80% accuracy! If they list more than one reference to Talk.Origins in the same post, you have a dead-ringer at 99.98% probability!

Dave #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[How science would be taught in a Fundie's ideal world]

1. In a typical day's one-hour science class session, about 45 minutes would be spent studying science, operational science, which is basically the science that most scientists agree about, whether they are Bible-believing scientists or materialistic-only scientists.

2. Then, about 12 minutes would be spent teaching origins science. The materialistic-only theories would be dismissed for a lack of objective evidence, and students would learn the wonderful truth of how the world has come to be the way it is today following creation, Adam and Eve, the flood, etc.

3. Then, the last three minutes would be spent reviewing Darwin's and the Neo's theories of evolution along with other myths of origins, like Greek mythology, American Indian legends and such as that. These wouldn't be taught for their education value, but as a warning to children that when they step away from objective reality, they open themselves up to becoming vulnerable to all kinds of kooky ideas.

Dave #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

Materialistic-only scientists, with their limiting worldview, waste an enormous amount of time going down rabbit trails that lead nowhere. Do you know what a checksum is in computer programming? If you checksum a routine, and it doesn't add up, don't you stop, find the problem, and then continue? What if you say, "Heck, I *want* to keep going even if this routine is broken?" Will you *ever* have a working program? No. God gave us the Bible as the "checksum" for man's quest for knowledge. If the Bible says it aint so, it aint so. Period. No need to go farther. That's why creation scientists are doing much, much better science than materialistic-only scientists.

Christopher John #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

For the gullible ones out there that still haven't figured it out yet...evolution theory is a great way to finally make government the ultimate power on earth. With God no longer in the picture, Government becomes the highest authority. If you understood Prophecy the end times speaks of nations of power, evolution is by far the largest tool which is slowly but surely pushing the population away from God and closer to the New World Order.

disruptor #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The concepts "old" or "young" have no real meaning when applied to periods before human language. We can talk about the Earth as "billions of years old" (and the concept may even be helpful in furthering our understanding of the Earth), but this has as little meaning as "the square root of minus 1" (which still has its uses in mathematics) or as "a unicorn's horn" (which has its mythological uses). The existence of a word for a thing - even for a useful thing - is no proof for the existence of that same thing.

The Earth therefore cannot be "older" than the age of human language in which the concept "old" first appeared. "Old" or "young" mean nothing without a human to express them. Nor do the words "God", "Earth" or any other word.

So phrases such as OLD or YOUNG EARTH only start to mean something when human speech first appears. The words that allow us to speak of the Earth and its age mark the beginning:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the WORD.

The Earth is therefore YOUNG, probably no older than the last Ice Age, since human speech began round about that time

Christopher John #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

[re: author "disproving" plate tectonics]

not only does he say the earth is growing he provides excellent resources for evidence amongst planets and moons that are growing also, for myself, I would call it irrefutable evidence, he has clearly demonstrated that the subduction theory does not happen, this in itself must give rise to a completely different scenario for tectonic plate movement and he provides a no nonsense logical explanation that is so simple its ridiculous.

Springer #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The theory of evolution, IMO, deserves no respect. Evolution is touted as "science" but, in reality, is based only on imagination and religious persuasions. If they're going to pretend to be scientists, then they need to adhere to the empirical approach, which is totally foreign to their way of thinking. I think the biggest fallacy of evolutionary thinking is the wreckless use of extrapolations....e.g., peppered moths "prove" that natural selection is operative... therefore, man evolved from slime. This is not science. This is a misuse of "science" as a means to an end. [emphasis added]

jcrawford #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

I'm classifying myself and others like me as Neanderthal descendents rather than Homo sapiens, since I am Caucasian and not of African origins or descent, as neo-Darwinists claim Homo sapiens are.

Neo-Darwinists associate Homo sapiens with African monkey and ape ancestors. I associate myself and others like me with the Neanderthal descendents of Noah in order to be included in Christ's own ancestral genealogy.

Springer #fundie evolutionfairytale.com

The theory of evolution has done nothing to advance science and has provided no benefit to mankind. It is a theory which has only degraded man’s image of himself in the world and has promoted moral relativism and everything that goes with it. This is in contrast to other scientific disciplines, all of which have served to benefit man either directly or indirectly.
The study of evolution is an intellectual exercise which is analogous to playing video games. It can be intellectually entertaining but, in the final analysis, it is a waste of time.

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