Pro-choicers are like slave holders in their arguments. Just shut up, our violation of human rights doesn't affect you.

Impressive list, Greatwood, but I'm certainly not going to look up a copy and pasted huge bunch of links.

I will say however, it was Richard Dawkins who refused to debate certain scientists, especially A. E. Wilder-Smith. He was offered numerous times and refused to debate him. So did the others. His credentials also aren't very impressive which is why I'm sure he was afraid to debate scientists of that caliber.

[A. E. Wilder-Smith is a young earth creationist]

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I should remind you that the onus is on you to prove your claim, not us to prove you wrong. I wouldn't go into a scientific community and make the claim that invisible unicorns fly out of my ass, then yell at them to prove me wrong.

my faith is my proof. it is sciences job to find evidence against my faith, and throught mans existance no one has been able bring forth 100% proof that god does not exist. so yes it is your job to proove me wrong because my proof is faith based.

[on a guest pastor of Shara Palin church]

I have met Pastor Muthee and would be proud to have him clean up my town of deamonic stuff, you can't deny that demons exist, so why couldn't they cause car crashes, so why couldn't a pastor pray over them?

[Oh buy the way he held a witch hunt]
http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html

Evolution is not a fact. It's crap in science book sold en masse to unwittingly foolish people who buy that and replace God and religion with it.

A human being, in all his complexities and consciousness is leagues beyond the mere apes inhabiting the planet. It's -NOT- proven. I repeat NOT proven. It is THEORIZED.

But the majority of posters will claim fake E-Degrees or are still in college and HIGH school, not realizing that School and Science have sought to become THEIR religion, and nothing else. Not even FREE thought.

"Yay, we read it in school, it must be true!" "Supposed experts who have only lived 40 years say it's true, so it must be!"

Did it ever occur to you that all our great scientists had a BELIEF in a higher being or god, and that without such a belief, science was null and void anyways? For many, it was the belief in science that God existed because it gave explanations to a complex universe.

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The fact of Evolution, that organisms have changed through time, has no reasonable alternatives. It is a fact that organisms are all related and share common descendants. The only arguable part of evolution is the theories explaining how, like Darwin's Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection. By even suggesting that it has not occurred is willful ignorance akin to saying the earth is flat.

This one irritates me, simply because evolution is no more testable than God is. Sure, you can talk about the "fossil evidence" and the observation in hindsight, but you can't actually go back and observe the process in the entirety it's espoused. You see evidence of progressive genetic change, I see evidence that God created a large amount of things using a similar blueprint (at least in reference to macroevolution; I could more readily accept microevolution).

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All honesty I wouldn't even care if creationism was taught in public schools, I just have a problem with the idea that it should be taught in science classes. It's not science, it'll never be science, the basis of it's claim totally goes against the rules of science. They could form a religious history class for it or something, /shrug.

When you can prove the science you're teaching, then say that. The fact is, you can't prove that either. Intelligent design is saying that matter + energy + information (not chance chemisty) = creation.

And since chance chemistry has been proven virtually impossible, I don't understand how you can insist on anything.

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I proved that only idiots twist evolution to mean something it's not, like abiogenesis.

Which you did, shall I quote your ignorant posts again? :)

Again, you've proven nothing. I said prove chance chemistry can account for one strand of DNA. You can't. It's impossilbe and that's what this theory says.

matter + energy + chance chemistry = creation

When you're done chewing on that, come back and explain where the chance code came from. Your primordial soup theory doesn't exist and has no proof whatsoever.

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YOU'RE NOT ARGUING EVOLUTION

Evolution IS the theory whereby matter + energy + chance chemistry = creation.

Matter ITSELF defines time. Time is not a constant. Matter is not a constant. Therefore you calculations for time are only in the dimension you find yourself now and evolutionary time is subsequently, only a theory.

Did you know that 52 of the 55 signers of "The Declaration of Independence" were orthodox, deeply committed, Christians? The other three all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention. It is the same Congress that formed the American Bible Society, immediately after creating the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress voted to purchase and import 20,000 copies of Scripture for the people of this nation.

All Western morals come from Christianity. Atheists need to realize this. Their morals are influenced by Christianity, their history is influenced by Christians. All of western society is influenced by Christians.

in order to belive adam came from sand you must belive that god can do all things, which makes it work just fine.

the bottom line is, beliving man evolved from monkeys does absolutely nothing for you.

lets say your right, and man came from monkeys, that means there is probobly nothing in the afterlife. that means we both get said nothingness.

now lets say your wrong, and there is a god. your belife in monkeys gives you eternety in purgatory (or hell if your an evil bastard)

somehow to me, the reward does not outweigh the risk

That's exactly true. At one time, creationism was taught, being that intelligent design was responsible for life. Separation of church and state arguments claimed this was a form of religion and got it taken out and replaced with the evolution theory. The problem is, with today's study of just DNA itself, which was only begun in 1953, is starting to prove that the concept that things are created by chance is a mathematical impossibility. And now, they don't know what to do since they implanted this into every kid's early brain.

it's only until after you get to college, that you're allowed to test these theories and understand how they fail in the regard that chance chemistry sucks as a teaching tool.

actually creationism and evolution are religions the only difference is the state pays for evolution to be taught..... one question prove to me evolution is science?

I hate all institutional education because it sets up an authority that can never be questioned. To question the authoritative voice is like blasphemy.

One example is environmentalism. Not everyone agrees with the science in gobal warming etc.. yet why does a basic science class have questions about your carbon footprint? It's more a political issue than a scientific one. Let's learn physics, biology, chemistry basics without talking about acid raid, recycling, or methane producing livestock... Science class becomes politics 101.

Or for one thing, why do even MATH books contain such loaded type questions? If I have 2 cans and I recycle one, how many end up in the landfill? That kind of teaching is really annoying.

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You're kidding, right? Judaism, Christianity and Islam have all killed and tortured millions.

Why would an Atheist care about life anyway?

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OK I guess I can deal with that. I understand politics I just never want a theocracy.

Then I can't see why you'd want Obama, because he believes Islam, a theocracy is compatible in our legal system. And that's going to start a civil war if he ever tries it.

All this hysteria is about is the leftist SP Anti Christians pushing their doomsday "OMG they gonna force teh Godzz down my throat" crap.

Dont worry lefties...your control over the youths teaching in this country is firm for now....you have pretty much removed all mention of God from the halls of learning and replaced it with the "We were sh!t on a log and the sun hatched us" THEORY...

Strange though...you all have had power in this area for what 40-50 years?....and yet polls show that over 80% of Americans proclaim to believe in God....http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/godpoll.asp

Just proves my point that the left doesnt know what to do with power when they get it...

I voted for Kerry in 2004 but I am NOT voting for Obama because he is black.

There are millions of others who are doing the same.

Oh, BTW, a big democrat talking point in 2004 was that Bush would bring back the draft.... still waiting on that.

theres is actually more scientific proof the world is younger then first thought

[he thinks we date the earth by carbon dating and also says that radiometric dating is flawed.]

[On thinking obama is a secret muslim]

Islam is certainly NOT compatible with our government and it's never taking over. If you want to be Muslim and live by our laws, you do that. Don't you even think about bringing Sharia crap here or you can GTFO! I'm not stupid. I know the difference. I know it's because of the Quran that terrorism exists and it's because Allah told them to do it. Don't play stupid with me. I've done my homework. This is THE most violent culture today, period!

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Why doesnt she just come clean on Troopergate?

Why doesn't Obama come clean on his Muslim faith? Do you think there's a problem with being a Muslim? No. If he was a moderate Muslim then he should just be proud of it, and stop trying to hide it, and having his democratic army cover up for him. Moderate Muslims are just as against Muslim extremists as we are, they're as normal in their religion as any other people are.

Is Obama a part of the extremest Muslim branch, if not, then why is he trying to cover it up, hide it, and not admit it? We hope to assume he's a moderate, because the last thing I want is a MUSLIM EXTREMEST IN THE PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE. Can you say 'good-bye, America'?

Atheistic evolution relies on the fact that given enough time, the impossible becomes the inevitable.

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Those who make fun of Obama's middle name or otherwise point or hint at it need to grow up.

It's not like he chose it.

...and those who ignore Obama's terrorist past should have their voting rights taken away.

Separation of church and state, stupid. And that was only because of too much fighting over whose Christian denomination was the better one. Go look that up yourself. I'm not doing any more of your homework.

The point here is, take your atheism and shove it. You were never the voice that built this country and you have NO RIGHT at all to make fun of someone who prays. If you don't like it here, GTFO!

you want to talk about lies........... i took out 5 pages of my nephews science book and took them into the school admin building and had other reports to prove the schoolbooks were lying to kids and they turned there back on me lol so yea teaching an untrue, untested doctrine of evolution is not lying? plz give me a break. science is somthing we can test , study and observe , not guesses to be taught as science,

4. Not enough mud on the sea floor.

Rivers and dust storms dump mud into the sea much faster than plate tectonic subduction can remove it.

Each year, water and winds erode about 20 billion tons of dirt and rock from the continents and deposit it in the ocean.6 This material accumulates as loose sediment on the hard basaltic (lava-formed) rock of the ocean floor. The average depth of all the sediment in the whole ocean is less than 400 meters.7 The main way known to remove the sediment from the ocean floor is by plate tectonic subduction. That is, sea floor slides slowly (a few cm/year) beneath the continents, taking some sediment with it. According to secular scientific literature, that process presently removes only 1 billion tons per year.7 As far as anyone knows, the other 19 billion tons per year simply accumulate. At that rate, erosion would deposit the present mass of sediment in less than 12 million years. Yet according to evolutionary theory, erosion and plate subduction have been going on as long as the oceans have existed, an alleged three billion years. If that were so, the rates above imply that the oceans would be massively choked with sediment dozens of kilometers deep. An alternative (creationist) explanation is that erosion from the waters of the Genesis flood running off the continents deposited the present amount of sediment within a short time about 5,000 years ago.

and the carbon dating they dated a live penguin to be 13,000 yrs old , lol and a seal to be 30,000 yrs old yea carbon dating is rock solid lawlz

I fail to see how random genetic mutations can bring about such diverse life.

Especially since genetic mutations are most often harmful and are the cause of all kinds of diseases and disorders in humans.

On Shara Palin

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Judging by her morals and religious extremes, she's nothing less than a Witch.

Better get used to it. She's going to be your next Vice President.

If you don't like morals and religion, you can leave now. This is what this country is. You obviously don't belong here if that's how you think. You're this breed that somehow came along and decided we aren't what we've always been. Get with the program or GTFO if you don't like it.

How about the fact that the Bible is the only book to ever accurately predict history?

‘I am against you, O Tyre, and I will bring many nations against you, like the sea casting up its waves. They will destroy the walls of Tyre and pull down her towers; I will sc##@# away her rubble and make her a bare rock. Out in the sea she will become a place to spread fishnets, for I have spoken’, declares the Sovereign Lord—’For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon—They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea—..I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.’”

This is God speaking to the city of Tyre. A few hundred years later, Alexander the Great reduced the walls of Tyre to rubble, and built a causeway out of that rubble. Nowadays, 2,000 years later, fishermen dry their nets on that causeway.

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i admire what al sharpton represents, but he has to realize that sort of thing is done and gone in the US. the 60s are over. racism, while far from no longer being an issue in this country is not as prevalent or deep-seeded as it once was.

that being said, while i have been the victim of racism in america, its usually met with a laugh.

it is my opinion that the children of this generation will have a completely different understanding of race than our parents did

dream on, dreamer.

Blacks are the biggest racists in the world, don't tell me otherwise.

What will a group of blacks do to me if I used the n-word in front of them?

But they can use the n-word all they want AND call me a cracker as well? But they are not racist?

As long as idiots like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are in the public eye, racism will never die because they won't let it die because it would take them out of the public eye.

When Sharpton and Jackson are gone, some other black racist will take their place and keep the "dream" alive.... for generations to come.

A few more flaws would be that how does evolution explain complex organs and body parts such as a eye?

A eye does not simply appear, but is to complex to grow. I'm not saying it was created by a greater power, but it was clearly not evolved by evolution.

actually you can test gravity lol quit trying to go in circles, most of the theories they use to try to prove evolution is outright boulderdash , i mean come on carbon dating? dating fossils with the dirt they are found in? or dating the dirt by the fossils they find in them? lol come on any scientist worth his weight in lab equipment can see that isnt science

Hey I'm the big bang, I exploded out of absolutely completely nothing. Now I'm the universe and the big bang was a huge messy explosion but somehow I have great universal and earthly laws that just seem to work. Even though the chance of the Earth becoming this way is the same chance to win millions of dollars in the lottery almost everyday, it was just luck. Now I just produced a cell out of nowhere! So here I am on earth with my other cell friends but some of them are weaker and they died off. I grew and the next day I sprouted legs and now I'm a human! Isn't that neat?

Nice strawman

I think you mean "meth" labs. Try to keep your cultural stereotypes correct. Crack is for %!%%*@s, meth is for "whitey's" as you so eloquently put it.

Edit: See, look at this sh!t. They censor n.iglet, but Whitey is fine. Fuking negroes.

My first house WAS haunted. Only way I got it to stop was to move.

It was haunted with shadow people and strange voices.

The people who owned the house before us were witches one of whom had made a demon summoning gate in their living room, which is something their only supposed to do outside. I soon learned why....

[The poster can be described as a 14 year old conservative christian]

Ok, since marriage is coming up. I believe mariage should between 1 man and 1 women. Like it says in the bible. The question is, is being gay a disease/something your born with? There are arguments for both sides, that are legiment. My point is, why would God put a disorder out there that goes against what is in the Bible? Therefor, it must be a lifestyle, not a disorder.

Look idiot, I don't know exactly how old the earth is, and neither do you. But if you took your own science, you'd know that time is an element of creation, so when you figure out what happened before time existed or at the instant time was created, come talk to me, because you don't and neither does science.

Go look it up.

Time is relative to gravity. Ask Albert Einstein, Einstein. E = mc2

Stephen Hawking has pretty much flat out said that the people who believe in the theory of evolution don't have enough evidence.

And thats not to say that his word is law or anything, but he certainly knows a lot more on the subject than anyone on the OTlol.

Without a divine power there is no purpose to the existence of anything and therefore we have no purpose whatsoever. Your inabilty to accept a higher power is based on your preception of the fact that nothing could ever care for you as an individual and therefore you must deny any entity that proves to do so.
Futhermore the purpose of your earthly exsistence is simply a test to accumulate your true identity via trials and tribulations that form your very being. How can you accept that you simply exist for no purpose other than continuing the survival of your species?

[Sure, here is a real simple one for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon_eating_bacteria

Nylon didn't exist until 1935. Did the hand of God reach down and touch the waters of Japan, spontaneously creating a new form of bacteria? No, the old forms had a mutation that allowed some of them to break it down. Those with the mutation survived and reproduced. Those without it died. The bacteria evolved.

I am not going to do your research for you. There are literally hundreds of example of species change in the past 150 years since the theory was developed.]

Who designed the bacteria to do this? You still fail to think outside the box.

How about, marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Call your homo loving unions something else.

The Crusades was an integral part of the fight between Islam's desire to dominate the world, suffice it to say. Don't use diversion tactics, please.

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All it says is that if intelligent designers have their way, it would uproot what science is. Sorry, we teach science in the science classroom, which means things with evidence and experimentation. Not some faith-driven fairytale with no evidence.

OMG the hysterics are killing me.

But the non-ID's should only be preached! I'm an atheist and I DEMAND it! If those crazy ID scientists get their way, OMG!!! the world is lost! Stop acting like a lunatic! You can't prove there is no intelligent design either so stfu about theories.

Wow that there Old Testament can be brutal.

But honestly they did what they had to do. In those days there where a number of reason to kill everything you saw in a city which you where taking.

1.) Illnesses. Foreign people had plagues which would kill you. The Jews knew this and killed them all.

2.) Revenge. The Jews knew full well that if any of the survivors, even the children where to make it to their cousins or ally nations then they'd rat em out and the Jews would be killed.

3.) Slaves. The Jews also did not like slave revolts. If you take a people into bondage then they will rise up and kill you later. So kill them first.

People this was also before the world knew the notions of Peace, Forgiveness and Rational Thought. Seriously those concepts had not been "invented" yet. You did not forgive anyone pre-Christ. Rational Thought made its appearance in the 1500s. We still have mastered Peace.

Cho who took out Virginia Tech was a Muslim. Does that make all Muslims terrorists? The difference is Cho's Quran agrees with Cho. The Christian Bible does not agree with McVeigh.

The majority of Muslims DO NOT live outside the Middle East, stupid.

The Quran states, "There is no compulsion in Islam". Sure seems to be compulsion to me when apostates are murdered when they convert and non-believers are either killed or reduced to sub-human status and Jews are taught to be nothing more than "apes and pigs".

[the problem with that is cho seung-hui was NOT a Muslim]

[Some nutjob on thinking obama is a muslim?]

I'm not running around town in no burka. And I'm not wearing any Halloween hijab. And I'm not letting any of you sickos mutilate my sex or give up my right to vote or any of your twisted, disgusting customs based on some screwed up prophet who saw devils and angels that talked in his ear!!!

FORGET IT!!!!

He is a muslim. This is not the first time it has slipped through...remember the 57 states he has visited?

What I find amazing, however, is that Palin and McCain are crucified for "trying to force their religion on us", yet Osama bin Biden are long time practicing Muslim and Catholic, respectively.

That's what he wants you to think it his mountain of campaign lies.

Truth is, he is a muslim and wants to bring America down. That is why they cheered him in Europe, that is why Hamas and the Taliban both hope Obama wins, that is why Julio Chavez wants him to win.

Christian? LOL... have some more kool-aid, lemming.

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Dumb****istan just got alot worse.

Screw you! Evolution is the new kid on the block and his time is up. Far more intelligent societies than this one have believed in God and would be outraged at the arrogant elitists who assume every society before ours was backwards and ignorant.

Give evolutionists the floor for one century and they act like they've always ahd it and it's their right. Sorry Charlie, your days are numbered. 10 years from now evolution will be laughed at just as hard as the flat earth theory we once held to.