In the time of Adam, and up on into the flood and beyond, I suspect the earth did not revolve around the sun, but things revoved around us. I could be wrong. No one has offered a good arguement why not yet however. This would make the ancients correct after all. Amazing.
The earth beginning to revolve would provide the mechanism for rapid continental seperation as well. What a big change occured. It is wonderful. No?
[Or just not raping somebody is a choice....
As I said earlier "Don't imply that she could have avoided it if she'd only done/not done x.]
WOMEN HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS.
She is not respecting the feelings of males in the general population. Some, many, have very poor control over themselves. Older cultures know this, so they require women to dress modestly. If you dress like a hooker do not be surprised if peopl e react to you as if you are a hooker. Do not be suprised if some male with poor control over himself sexually assaults you...US norms are now pretty disrespectful of the sensibilities of the male population. They are playing with fire and sometimes they get burned."
The first prophecy (about Jesus)...is found in Genesis 3.
Verse 15.
God is speaking to Satan here.
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.
hers = the person of Jesus Christ
he will crush your head = victory thru Jesus
strike his heel: death on the cross
You know, they make fun of the ones who claimed earth was the center of the uiniverse. It is. It was, and it will be.
God Uses Rape to Punish Sinful Women
['It is entirely irrational to lay ANY layer of blame for rape on the victim based on how she was dressed.']
When we compromise God's standards is he going to say we are blameless when we reap consequences? No he isn't.
We reap what we sow. There are many, many women who are raped and have done nothing to be at all responsible, there is no doubt. However if a woman dresses like a whore and even worse acts like one as well, then she may well be increasing her chances of such a thing happening.
Perhaps the wording of the OP - deserves, was too strong. It could be interpreted to mean that a woman who dresses immodestly deserves to be raped as just recompense. That phraseology has probably caused heightened emotion on the subject. Nevertheless immodest dress is without doubt a contributing factor in certain rape cases. Most certainly it is a large factor in the increase in Sexual Immorality in general."
['she is NEVER at FAULT on ANY LEVEL if she is RAPED!']
bzzzz. Wrong!
If you walk into a bikie bar and say "You're all a bunch of girls, who wants to fight" then you are partly at fault if you get beaten to a pulp. No doubt the law will justly penalise the bikies for their violence. That doesn't take away the fact that you were stupid in agitating the situation.
Let me reiterate. If a woman dresses like a whore, and even worse acts like a whore she may well increase her chance of being raped.
Because if it's not something done in faith, it's not pleasing to Him and not good afterall but done with ulterior motives. Good works by Christians are done because the Gospel has given us faith and we do the works out of thanksgiving to God and because those works benefit our neighbor. These pleasing good works are done because we have faith. Anything outside of that is not considered a "good" work by God since it's not done by faith.
"freethinkers" or "open minded" people are infact, close-minded people.
As everyone who is "open minded" want's everyone to be "open minded" therefore makes themselves, a closed-minded person.
Open-mindedness is a hypocracy really
Which of course shows the dishonesty of "peer-reviewed" journals in that they ban any open discussion on ID. I can assure you there are lots of people who would write the articals but they can not get them published.
I think the alien fits the description of anti-Christ. The bible describes him as the beast, which means a sub-human being.
Maybe the crop circles and UFO sightings are real, they want to make us familiar with them first, before their formal landings on our earth. When they are here, there's nothing our super powers can do, our missiles are of no use. The whole world will submit to them, in seconds. There comes a new ruler of our world, the anti-Christ.
This is just one possibility, if it's true, it means the end time can happen anytime, like Jesus says, no-one knows the day and hour, it comes when most unexpected.
Most of us don't hate Muslims. It's wrong hate others. In fact, I try to never personally attack or demean Muslims. But on the other hand, many of us do hate Islam. In essence, Islam is terrorism. I'm curious as to what feelings you would like us to have towards it.
[Regarding Koran desecration]
I can't speak for "governments" or others that desecrate a book deemed "holy" by other religions, but for those that follow the Words of the Lord Jesus the Christ, the Koran appears to contradict our Bible and relegates the Lord Jesus to just another prophet.
Once the muslims acknowledge Jesus was more than just an "ordinary prophet", perhaps chistianity and muslims will find a common ground to talk on, but I myself would not condone the practice as you stated above. Peace.
Crop circles - what do they mean?
Hi friends, just want to check if you believe in crop circles. Do you think they are real or just man made hoaxes?
If they are real, what do they mean? Is there life in the outer space? Are the aliens sending us messages through the crop circles?
I personally believe in aliens, and I think it will be the strongest deception ever created by Satan... even the faithful ones will be deceived. If man can clone animals, there's a possibility that Satan can use our DNA and clone aliens in outer space.
The universe is as old as you want it to be. But God created Adam and Eve and put them in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. There are theistic evolutionists that believe that God created them over time and then when man had developed to where he is now, God put them into the Garden. The modern age began.
Perhaps you need to do a little bit of study on biodiversity to see how that works.
Now, of course God can see anything all the time.
But, is He going to look upon the good works of an unforgiven sinner and be pleased with what He sees?
No way.
Not the God that I know.
This is also the God who will send people to Hell, if they do not acknowledge His Son as Savior. He is a just God.
[Least believable testimony ever]
I’ve seen blind people made to see again. I’ve seen arthritic people, once hunched over, straighten up and heard the loud snaps of their joints as they straighten up. I’ve actually watched the curved spines of those with scoliosis straighten in seconds. I’ve seen a girl with Down’s syndrome delivered. In mere seconds the trademark facial attributes were gone, her speech instantly cleared. I’ve seen an arm restored. Once severed below the elbow, I watched as a forearm, then a wrist, hand, and fingers generated in moments.
I’ve seen plenty of proof that God does exist and is quite active. So much more than even what I’ve mentioned. I understand that you may not have witnessed any of these things but that’s your fault and not mine. God shows Himself to whoever’s watching and doesn’t operate in a vacuum.
Can you show me your proof that He doesn’t exist?
Creationism is science simply because there is no conflict between science and creationism. Look at miracles. When God performs a miracle He simply restores things back to the way He intends for them to be. The problem then is not to "prove" the miracle, the problem is to prove that there was ever a problem in the first place. It is to easy to say the test results were not right or something of that sort.
God tells men to love their wives as their own bodies, so a Christian man would not want to hurt his wife.
However, a husband can not rape his wife. She permanently gave her body to him at the marriage altar. If she witholds sex from her hubby then she is disobeying God and depriving him, and he has every right to have sex with HIS wife. Just as she has every right to have sex with her hubby. The Bible says that once you get married, your bodies belong to your spouse. I hate it when people say stuff about men raping their wives. It is not rape if you use something that was permanently given to you.
A woman should not give a man anything until they are married. I disagree that a woman or a man, for that matter, should feel comfortable no matter what he/she wears in public. I do believe in social standards and personal responsibility. A person who feels genuinely that he/she did not contribute to their circumstances will not be as embarrassed and will be respected for the kind of victim they represent. A person should dress modestly and not present themself as an object to be desired, if they do not wish to attract unwanted or undue attention. I do not believe a woman should cover herself with a sheet while the guy runs around in shorts and a t-shirt; however, I do take offense when anyone dresses provocatively, even lurid but acts the prude when such dress instigates unwanted advances. Rape is a crime, but it is certainly one that might be avoided in many instances by simply applying tact..
Our conscience is God telling us something is wrong. Even people who are not born-again have most likely experienced their conscience functioning. We all have a human spirit. It is this part of us that longs for God. It is this part of us that feels empty and we keep trying to fill it with things like education, job, money, sex, drugs, whatever, but nothing satisfies us until we have the Lord.
There was a global flood 12,000 years ago. Actually, with global warming the ice is still melting and the ocean level is still rising. That is one of the reasons that New Orleans went underwater.
This is an article that I found on a christian apologetics website.... very interesting indeed... aparently the total probability of our existance is 1:10^99 and since there are estimated to be a maximum of 10^23 planets in the universe (10 planets/star), by chance there shouldn't be any planets capable of supporting life in the universe (only one chance in 10^76).
In reality, God used slavery to deliver Africans from ignorance of the One True God. Again, suffering is used to bring people to God. It is a common theme.
God exists.
It's not a scare tactic for religion. God and religion are two SEPARATE things. Your relationship with God is what's important. Hell is a place for people who know the truth and still chose disobedience to God's word. Everyone sins. The point is repentance...genuine turning away from past sin. Not just saying sorry. that's why there's a hell...for those who join with Satan in rebellion to God's will, for evil.
As for the argument that believing in natural selection is believing in evolution, there seems to be a bit of flawed logic there. Natural selection is [basically] adaptation, genetic learning if you will. There's a big difference between the vast random changes required for the accidental life theory of evolution and the fact that change happens over time whatever the speed.[...]
I found it pretentious when scientists found the most recent 'missing link' fossil that 'shows' the transition from sea to land animals. The fossil shows structure both for living on land and in water, somehow that must equate to evolution when adaptation to its environment is all that can be established as fact.
ok folks if you have a monkey and a monkey they give birth birth to a monkey, so for a monkey to all the sudden like a human being giving birth to a elephant over millions and millions of years. it make no sense you know the only reason why they say millions of years is to make it more belivable but you werent there or anyone else to see it happen so you have no fact we ever evolved. thank you god creationist
The thing is, they believe, with out knowledge, that we know nothing, and are complete morons for believe what we believe, because they must be right, lol, the arogance it takes for them to compare us to Santa Clause is unbelivable. They act as if I have never research a tiny bit of my faith, and neither has anyone else, they are blind, and don't want to learn anything.
[Why does God not cure amputees?]
He does. They are called artifical legs.
such rhetoric can only persuade the most limited and mathematically unsophisticated minds.Such an artificially contrived string of gibberish does not compel anyone to accept that an infinitely impossible event(abiogenesis lets say) can become possible
[After being told by another member to stop posting articles which are irrelevent and/or derrogatory to other faiths in the non-christian religions section]
ok, let me get this point across to you, I will continue to post PRO christian sources, because that is what god told me to do, and if you don't like it, than you don't have to be there, just turn your head to my threads if you don't approve of what I am doing, but stop this stupidity.
[Explaining how divorce is so much worse than rape]
According to Deut, rape is only bad (except for the violance aspect) in that it goes against marriage. Divorce is a much more public, obvious affront to marriage than rape. SO I stand with my original answer.
C.S Lewis married his wife Joy when he was in his fifties. Their marriage was a truly happy one by all accounts. Lewis says they "feasted on love." Soon after they were married Joy got bone cancer which meant certain death within a few months. But Lewis asked a certain minister to pray for her, and not only was she healed, but bones which were eaten away showed clear signs of being regenerated. In any case all concernd including doctors believed they had seen a miracle. Joy lived for two more years.
Lewis was of course overjoyed at the miracle and the extra years with Joy.
But when Joy died, he referred to God as a "cosmic sadist" in his anger and grief.
This is a perfect example of the Spoiled Brat Principle. We are so entirely lost and ungrateful that even the greatest Christian apologist will complain- in spite of seeing a miracle.
Questions:
1. Why would God want to heal anyone if he gets called names by Christians anyway?
2. Why should we believe all the skeptics need is proof, when it makes little difference to Christians thenselves?
3. Why should we believe a skeptic would not behave as Lewis did- or worse, at first very grateful to God, and then calling him names?
4. If Jesus came back and healed all the terminally ill patients in the world for two years, you would do what exactly, and for how long?
[...]
BTW, this thread neatly nullifies the "Why does God hate amputees?" and other rhetorical questions.
You do not understand the mind and abilities of God.
Not that I know them all but I have an idea.
Can you formulate an idea?
Can you make make that idea materialize?
God can too.
Can you scientifically let me know you have formulated a thought within your mind without showing me material evidence that you had a thought?
[If everything needs a cause, why not turn that logic around and ask what caused God?]
This logic would only aplly to the ones that need such logic, since we do not need such logic to understand god, we don't need to worry about that, but since you need that kinda logic to not believe in god, you are the target audience for such a debate, not us.
this is common sense! everyone is born a christian, later in life they may decide to believe in something else. like many atheists and agnostics that choose to believe that way because they feel(and wrongully so) that there is no god. marriage is a christian birthright, a. polygamy is a perverted version of "marriage" currupted by the minds of mormons. if we allow that kind of stuff to stand then soon gays will want to marry, soon people will want to marry sandwiches or trees. where will the line be drawn??? as a christian birthright, it is out job to put a stop to it before it becomes abused byp eople who take it for granted
[Talking about The Da Vinci Code]
I honestly feel that the books should be burned and the movies should never reach the theatres. the amount of damage they have and will cause will be enormous. thoughts???
[Would you rather have a not so bright Christian leading the country, or a smart atheist?]
I'll go with the not so smart Christian.
Atheist have no solid moral base to stand on - they change their idea's of what is morally permissible with science or politics. This is due to a lack of objective truth (God) and no sense of ultimate justice for our wrong doings. No matter how smart the world thinks an atheist is, remember he is in reality, insane.
[Creationism was tested 200 years ago. It failed.]
Exactly, what testing and computer models did they come up with 200 hundred years ago that failed------100 years ago even You must be dreaming or perhaps you are only spreading some evolutionist's lies.that you heard again and again in public institutions. P.S. Perhaps those claims were broadcasted on network TV way back then too. I understand that they were so technologically advanced.......
I have been able to talk to god for over a year now. Now he does miricles (small ones mostly-dont cost as much money) but they work everytime. He wont give me pigs flying miricles and stuff(so not everytime but u get what i mean).
my problem is, is that God told me not to talk to him anymore. Now i stopped doing the miricles but he still makes things happen when i think about them. So if im watching a hockey game and i say i wish so and so would score, they will. im not even trying to use the powers but i cant control them. What should i do? Lock myself up so i can't take away free will?
I have been thinking of where the Garden of Eden is. After Noah's flood, it must have been buried under water. That is why no one has ever found it before. I think that it is in the Bermuda Triangle area because God said that He would send an angel to watch over it. All the strange happenings there, scuba divers disappearing under the sea... that is either it or there is a dinosaur down there...
That is ok. We also have "Christian jews" and "Christian Muslims", Christian Catholics" etc. [emphasis added]
I have been thinking of where the Garden of Eden is. After Noah's flood, it must have been buried under water. That is why no one has ever found it before. I think that it is in the Bermuda Triangle area because God said that He would send an angel to watch over it. All the strange happenings there, scuba divers disappearing under the sea... that is either it or there is a dinosaur down there...
How can a homosexual (male) designer in the fashion industy tell a Heterosexual Male, what is sexy attire on HIS Hetersexual Counterpart, the Woman???
You think, a Strapless Gown is desirable, in the eyes of the Heterosexual Male, even though a Homosexual most likely designed it . . . and FWIW, a homosexual female most likely, modeled it . . .
IF you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN, I suggest you seek out a Heterosexual Male and ask him for his opinion . . . Don't let an admitted degenerate/ doomed to hell, practicing (in-your-face with their sin) sinner tell you HOW to dress in todays' world . . .
MAYBE, one day in the future, MORE Heterosexuals will get into the Fashion World and TURN things around and WE won't have to choose between two evils, such as, the immodoesty of a strapless dress vs the immodesty of revealing cleavage!!
A homosexual does not KNOW what "turns-on" a Heterosexual Male, when he sees a REAL WOMAN dressed in something . . .
[but why does it have to be shown how colours evolved? I could easily just ask how did the designer make the colours?]
If we are to believe that something randomly happened, it must be shown how this would be possible.
ID just has to show thought, not show how.
[On a woman whose mantal illness went untreated due to the belief that it was demon posession, leading her to cut off her child's arms]
In one way or another, ALL illness is in some way caused by SATAN/demonic and should be treated as such!!
Poisoning a patient with drugs/ medications is outrageous and should be BANNED in the states!!
They also should stop, incarcerating these types of people and let them reside peacefully in their own homes.
We can observe that a peacock's fethers surve a function: to atract females---emperical evidence.
We've observed purpose.
We can observe that that a pecock's fethers don't serve any other function---emperical evidence.
We observe specific purpose.
Specific by definition means exact. A feature cannot evolve an exact purpose by undirected means.
Hence: A peacock's bright plumage is not a result of indirected process.
How is this not evidence of ID?
Atheism is not a totalitarianism, yet atheism cannot exist in a free society, since people naturally gravitate towards supernatural.
[Seemingly trying to falsify plate tectonics]
In a rock formation, layers are said to build when new sediment forms on top of an already existing layer. As a result, the higher up the layer, the younger the sediment.
What you describes reverses the supposed age of layers. Already existing layers are replaced as new layers push up under it.
New layers......form under older ones.
This can't be explained any simpler.
From a logical standpoint, what you describe falsifies geologic rock ages.
Again, a flood is not only simpler, but more logically sound.
Any historian knows there would be no Buddhists at all if there were no "judgemental" Christians who died so you could believe whatever nonsense you like.
It's sort of like saying a hippie is nicer to people than his father, a WW II soldier was. The hippie would be saluting der Furher and violently reeducating Buddhists but for his father's sacrifices.
["Why on earth is it so important for some guys to have a virgin wife?"]
For purity. It would be great to have a wife that only has your genes inside of her, and not the genes of other guys that she has slept with.
to do so or to accept evolution is to mean that Genesis in its literal context is wrong. which is not the case, because it it was inccorect, it would say so itself. i've mentioned this before, we know that there were reports of darwin recanting his theory, and of other scientists doing the same. my question to you is, why hasnt God recanted Genesis???