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JediMasterPikachu #fundie freerepublic.com

Creationism

* Every Christian should be a Creationist.
* Creationism is at least as defensible as Macroevolutionism from a scientific standpoint.
* Macroevolution requires at least as much religion as Creationism.
* The primary reason Macroevolution is so popular is because it is the dominant viewpoint of the origin of life presented to the populace, and not because it is grounded in good science or common sense.
* Both Creationists and Macroevolutionists can be smart, competent scientists.
* Creationists should know about at least the basic tenets of Macroevolution. You should know your opponent. Ignorance is rarely becoming.
* Similarly, it would be good for Macroevolutionists to know about Creationism, and not receive all their information on Creationism secondhand from anti-Creationism-biased sources.
* Macroevolution is an inherently racist doctrine, even if individual Macroevolutionists do not wish to be racist. If there were races which evolved, one race would be the smartest, one the strongest, etc. There are NO races of humanity. There is one human race, and it is imperative that all Christians, even those who insist on being Macroevolutionists, agree with this. Christ died to save Christ's family, the family of Man.
* The origin of Man explains why Man needs a Savior. This is why Christians should be adamantly Creationist, and is also why atheists are just as adamantly anti-Creationist.

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus #fundie freerepublic.com

["..posts the creationist, using his computer, taking his medicine, driving his car. All the fruits of scientists who (thankfully) didn't share his petrified, stunted imagination and curiosity."]

You see, it's ignorant, bigoted, and frankly empty-headed talk like that that causes me to have no respect for evolutionists. You realise that the foundations of modern science were lain by "creationists", right? You realise that evolution has virtually no impact on like 90% of our science, even much of the biotechnology fields, eh? Further, there's a good argument to be made that the reason biological sciences lagged behind the physical sciences (being called "the retarded child of the sciences" by Michael Crichton back in the '70s) is because they were hobbled by an overreliance on evolution - mainly because bioscientists tended to force everything through the lens of evolution instead of simply letting the observable, empirical science speak for itself.

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus #fundie freerepublic.com

["I said, in the case of a conflict between a well established observation and a religious text."]

Therein lies the rub, however. Evolution is not a "well-established observation". Evolution rests on circumstantial evidences from which it is deduced as an explanation. Neither evolution nor creation are, by their very nature, subject to empirical, verifiable, repeatable experimentation. To the extent that generational variation has occurred, it has been within type, not between type. We've simply no experimental evidence that fish become frogs become lizards.

["I have yet to see a single instance where scientists and religious folk duked it out over something and the religious folk were shown to be right. It's never, not once, happened."]

False, I've seen it happen. Back in the early 1990s, the hard-core, literal 7-day creationists like Duane Gish and Gary Parker were routinely engaged on university campuses across the country to debate with evolutionist professors, usually but not always on the university's staff. The creationists would crush the evolutionists most of the time. It happened here at the university where I got my degree (i.e. empirical observation). It was after several rounds of this that the evolutionists began the "we won't debate them because that will just given them undeserved credibility" line.

cookcounty #fundie freerepublic.com

["Some examples that religious folk have had trouble with over the years:

The earth moves.
Germs cause disease.
The earth is quite old."]

Oh, two can play this game: Some examples that irreligious folk have had trouble with over the years:

killing political opponents is wrong.
killing inconvenient friends is is wrong.
killing religious people is wrong.

The most famous atheists of all time, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung. and Pol Pot murdered more people than all the religious wars in history. Get out your calculator. Get out your history book. Add it up.

hosepipe #fundie freerepublic.com

True when the apostles discussed qualifications for heaven..
Jesus implied that rational thinking adults do not qualify ..
He got a small child and told them that "ONE OF THESE"
is the greatest in the Kingdom of the Heavens..

One would think according to him human knowledge of this universe was not very important.. Could be that whatever we do know(about this universe) is as limited as a monkeys concept of what a ROLEX watch is.. Some rational thinking adults might not like that.. maybe it would scare them..

chiller #fundie freerepublic.com

My fantasy is Christ-like, in that I imagine sometimes that I have the ability to remove liberal thinking ( and liberals) off the planet if I forfeit my life.

It's a good debate weighing one life vs. seriously dangerous liberal ideas that will be the end of this country and beyond. The amount of good that could be done is staggering. In affect, I could save the world.

I'm sure I don't have the courage, but just the thought underscores how seriously off track these people are, and how important it is that liberals be removed from any influence.

donna #fundie freerepublic.com

Psychiatry is just another competing religion.

America needs to pray for a good old fashion revival.

When you are born again the desires of your heart change and your brain chemicals right themselves.

Jim Robinson #fundie freerepublic.com

[Jim Robinson is the owner and founder of the Free Republic website]

{"You have no evidence other than stating that its in the bible, well, I refuse to accept the bible as a scientific text."}

And therein lies the rub. In order for you to prove the theory of evolution and to have it universally accepted by all people as true fact, you must first completely destroy the Holy Bible and all it teaches us.

There can be no Creator. No God. No miracles. God cannot possibly have created the Earth or the Heavens or Man and every Creature that walks swims or crawls. There was no Adam and Eve. No Garden of Eden. No original sin. There was no Noah. No Ark. No flood. No Moses. No burning bush. No Ten Commandments handed down from God. Jesus cannot possibly have been the Son of God, nor could he have died on the cross for our sins. The Resurrection could not possibly have happened. There is no Saviour and no Salvation. No life after death. No Heaven. No Hell. No God. No Satan. No good vs evil.

Therefore all of Christianity, in fact, all of all religions are simply mythical fairy tales based on lies and superstition.

The theory of evolution does not allow for the Holy Bible, or miracles including the miracle of Creation, the miracle of life, etc, or God our Creator, or Jesus Christ, or Christianity, Judaism, etc.

The Declaration of Independence is therefore also a lie. If there is no Creator, our rights cannot possibly have come from God. In other words, we have no unalienable rights. Our rights would only be what the government allows us.

The Declaration would be null and void and the founding would have been based on lies rather than "these truths we hold self-evident."

The first amendment would simply be a cruel joke. The Bill of Rights would have no foundation on truth or unalienable rights from God and that would also make the entire Constitution of the United States null and void. All laws based on the Ten Commandments would be null and void. There would be no God to guide our judges and no reason not to bear false witness.

Our entire American history, in fact all of civilization would be based on nothing but lies. Our ancestors passed down lies to our grand parents and parents and they lied to us and we have taught our children nothing but lies.

This is exactly what the Marxists (leftists) would have us believe.

If you destroy belief in the Creator, you destroy belief in God, Christianity, Judaism, etc. You destroy our entire civilized society and reason for being. We would be left with nothing but chaos and anarchy. A Marxist dream come true.

Believers in the theory of evolution may not be Marxists, but they are pushing exactly what the Marxists want pushed. And that makes it political.

And I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with science. Along with everything else, God created all knowledge and that includes the modern miracle of science.

Editor-Surveyor #fundie freerepublic.com

["Why didn't you just come out and say that you'd rather humans die from burst appendixes, operable cancer, and other easily cured conditions that would otherwise be deadly, in order to satisfy your particular view of the Bible?"]

Total strawman.

The truth is that deaths from apendicitus have always been rare, and the surgery cannot be credited with saving a life. 'Operable cancer' is nonsense. Cancer surgery is a big money maker for the surgeon, but is is a bad choice for the patient. Cancer is best cured by natural means, and those means should be guided by prayer, not the PDR. Western medicine is unable to cure anything. Diabetes is a good example; they just get rich pumping them full of dangerous drugs, rather than correcting their diet and using the very effective herbal treatments.

Editor-Surveyor #fundie freerepublic.com

["As I said before, my instinct is that most Americans, religious, secular, or atheistic parents, do NOT want creationism, or ID taught as a science in public schools"]

I think that what you're missing on this is that the general public is aware that evolutionism is religion, even more than creation,and they don't want either in the schools.

Evolution is holding biology back severely, and the two are not even really related. Evolution is a political/philosophical point of view, and Americans recognize that 2:1 by most polls. Why can't we just spend our science money on science? Why does a science class have to provide indoctrination? At this point the cream of the crop in life sciences mostly reject evolution, and don't waste time and efort on it; could that be why they're more productive?

Editor-Surveyor #fundie freerepublic.com

["If you cut yourself, do you clean the wound and put a bandage on it? Or do you expect God to stop the bleeding for you?"]

You've got me laughing now! - I often work in shorts and a T-shirt, and get cut up by brush and sharp rocks all the time, and never do anything about it until the end of the day when I have to wash up to look civilized. I've never gotten any infections from cuts of scrapes that are left to bleed - ever.

["I guess you never heard the phrase God helps those who help themselves."]

It's a lie from the pit of hell. That is diametrically opposite from what the word tells us.

Editor-Surveyor #fundie freerepublic.com

[You want Biblical scholars to sanitize YOUR operating table, or do you want scientifically trained medical personnel to do it?"]

If you were any kind of Biblical scholar, you would know that no true Biblical scholar would reccommend that anyone allow themselves to be found on an operating table. The Lord gave us solutions to our health issues, none of which includes surgery, and cautioned us not to turn to the ways of men.

metmom #fundie freerepublic.com

So our choices are: magic, superstition, wishful thinking, divine revelation, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, spells, ouija boards, anecdotes, tarot cards, sorcery, naturalism, seances, black cats, table tipping, witch doctors, divination, "miracles," the unguessable verdict of history, hoodoo, voodoo, and a host of other un-natural phenomena.


What makes naturalism the best choice of these again?

nwrep #fundie freerepublic.com

[Why are females so hated (or is it feared?) in Africa and the Middle East?]

The answer lies in civilizing these tribals, through conversion to Christianity. It is a simple prescription, but has worked for 2000 years. Exisitence of such savage behavior is directly proportional to the absence of Christianity.

AgeOfReason #fundie freerepublic.com

[I let it be known, in no uncertain terms, that their control of their daughter ENDED when she accepted my proposal of marriage.]

And there I agree.

Once married, the wife should become the property of her husband.

[Yep. This confirms it. You ARE whacked.]

I find it wacked to celebrate a culture responsible for a below replacement birth rate.

A woman could find no better owner than myself.

[Once the misogynist, always the misogynist.]

A lot you know.

If I hated women, why would I want to own one?

dsc #fundie freerepublic.com

[Whats wrong with birth control?]

Contraception was the first step on the path that led to partial birth abortion and Terry Schiavo, just as its opponents said it would be a hundred years ago.

Not to mention the fact that the birthrates in countries where they're widely used are below replacement, opening the way for the metastasis of Islam.

jim35 #fundie freerepublic.com

[Thread deals with the Theory of Evolution]


"You guys are really pathetic,..."

I'm willing to bet that you won't be thinking that when you're in Hell, looking up at us "pathetic" creationists.

Life is short, death is eternal for the non-believer, and your arrogance will evaporate in the fires of Hell.

Your belief in THAT is not required.

Nonetheless, you will receive prayers, in the probably-futile hope that some day you will be loosed from Satan's grasp, and embrace God.

[Tagline: ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")]

.30carbine #fundie freerepublic.com

The problem is that the Myth of Darwin is being taught and bought as scientific fact when it is not.

The belief in Evolutionary Theory as an explanation for life as we observe it (religious dogma) despite the lack of evidence to prove it scientifically has resulted in terrible fruits, not only in government schools - rampant cheating, sex and abortion; drop-outs, stabbings, Columbine - but throughout the world - Hitler's genocide, Communistic-utopian tyrannies, the murder by starvation/dehydration of Terri Schiavo...the list is endless, but the faith-reasoning that is at the root of these things is the same: "From the goo through the zoo to you."

You reap what you sow.

balch3 #fundie freerepublic.com

Once the Sociialists indoctrinate our youth with the vile lie of evoloution, our freedoms are next. Gun grabbing, Darwinism, porn, it's all part of the same thing, meant to weaken our Constitutional society.

oldfart #fundie freerepublic.com

[Referring to an abortion-provider shooter]

[" Killing doctors is clearly not going to be effective in this goal unless someone kills a whole bunch at once."]

Well, the longest march starts with but a single step.

And yeah, had I been on the jury I would not have voted to convict him, rather I would have suggested he be given a medal and a better rifle. Read back to my original post on this thread where I stated that I sincerely hope all abortionists die violent and painful deaths, just like the babies they've killed. Make of that what you will, I won't retract a bit of it. Unlike you, who argue from a third-party point of view, I've been personally involved in the issue.

HamiltonJay #fundie freerepublic.com

Tarring and feathering [pro-choicers] would kill them just as well, just more painfully and slowly.. but their blood should have been spilled to renew the tree of Liberty.

The Roe V Wade ruling was a complete affront to everything the constitution stood for, those that voted in favor of it were and are enemies to the constitution.. they should have been killed on the spot.

donna #fundie freerepublic.com

[From a thread about former PFC Jessica Lynch having a baby out of wedlock]

Anybody want to talk about the results of all this self-indulgence:

What Jessica and the other single moms are creating is the Islamification of American women. Muliple wives/husbands, half siblings and step siblings all running themselves into jealousy and poverty.

American women are tossing out our Judeo/Christian culture that says men and women are equal before God for a culture that says women only make babies and don't have the right to be equal partners with men in marriage.

CottShop #fundie freerepublic.com

yup soft bodies species can'rt usually be fossilized- hover the millions of supposedly evolving har bodied species could- even Darwin himself said his theory was wrong due to lack of transitional species- AND we've since learned- as I said previously- it is biologically impossible- there HAS to be gene transference in order for the necessary NEW information needed for evolution to happen to change a species outside of it's own kind.

No sorry- I aint no eukoroyte- The gene information that I have is unique to my species- not to eukoroyte species.

Symbiosis is not evolution- it is a parasite existing entirely off another- they are both unique species- they do not together become an entirely different species.

Trust me- I've looked into this- it's too late tonight- but it has been proven to be false in regards to evolution and has been dropped by science when it was exposed as symbiotic- they tried to pass it off as evolution- but the facts did not support that at all, and htey had to admit that- you won't find much on this however, when it was pressed- the truth was begrudgingly admitted and pretty much not reported on much- but the reports are out there

CottShop #fundie freerepublic.com

no reason too? Then you must be unaware of all the archeology and geographical evidence supporting events all through the bible- there's some pretty darn compelling reason to beleive aside from faith- Not to mention thousands of eye witnesses that back up Christ's life and death and rising etc. No compelling reason to beleive? sure there is. There's plenty of acheological evidence

CottShop #fundie freerepublic.com

that's a load of doo- dating methods rely on preconceived notions and throw out ALL the counter evidences that do not fit in their specified timelines- it's NOTHING but interpretations and faith and discounts anythign that might suggest otherwise- there are plenty of cases that show items buried in supposedly million year old strata that just do not correspond with the preconceived timelines- daters both have to have faith in their timelines (because there are NO known or testable factos with which to date by) and faith that irreconciable unknowns are not proofs against hteir preconceived timelines.

Science goes on KNOWNS- and Testable factors- NOT on unknowns- yet dating requires FAITH in interpratations that can't be backed up with KNOWNS

You present dates as 'verifiable' and that is not fact- different interpratations discount this suppsoed 'verifiable' factor right off the bat- and you are STILL dealing with guesses and putting FAITH in the fact that that unknown actions didn't happen to throw off your preconceived notions of how old the earth should be- Catastrophic events have PROVEN the fallicy of old held beliefs and these have proven them precisely because KNOWN elements were both observed and tested as they were recorded- you can't say that of anything beyond approximately 6000 or so years ago- there were NO records- so it all falls to interpretation-

I just know you aren't going to vigorously ddefend interpretation, right? We've all seen how reliable interpretations that turn into dogma can be- especially when they are disporvoien

CottShop #fundie freerepublic.com

[Referring to the Discovery Institute's Pledge Of Faith for its "scientists"]

{"How can one trust a 'scientist' that takes this pledge and is paid for his 'research'."}

You certainly can't provided you discout the science based simply on the fact that they are Christian and take a pledge stating that history has factually documented the biblical facts- as has archeology- not sure what that has to do with science facts- but meh- Their science is based on the very same facts that secular science is- peer reviews prove this out- you can dismiss it if you like- but Christian science has very valid evidences that secular science takes seriously- Why? Because idt's factually based on absolutes that secular science HAS to attend to in order to be valid- just as the Christian scientists HAVE to attend to factual evidences presented by secular sciences. You may not take it seriously, but thankfully- secular scientists do, and can argue facts free from the shackles of bias- As I said before- when Your calculator adds 2 and 2 and comes up with 5- and a person beleives it blindly, then they are no longer an objective person- the opposing side presents facts that show 2 and 2 are 4

CottShop #fundie freerepublic.com

LOL He is going ot be crucified mercilessly by the 10 billion year old advocates. I studied under Ken Ham at a 1 year bible college, and he has taken a LOT of flack for his science- but that's the way of hte left- ostracize and ridicule anyone that dissagrees with you- calling them psuedo-scientists in a nasty attempt to try to discount their facts. Hopefully htough, his museum will plant a few seeds that will sprout eternal life.

LowOil #fundie freerepublic.com


[From a thread about Conan O'Brien's recent jokes about Jebus...]

To: JTHomes

"I am not sure the joke was directed at Jesus. The point of the bit seems to be that this dumb country singer is so homophobic that he even puts Jesus under suspicion, which, because it is ridiculous, is what makes it funny. Although, not married, in your 30's living with your mother, makes you wonder....(sorry, I sometimes can't resist offending the easily offended, but that was JUST a joke)"

Anything that tries to push an homosexual agenda on people, be it humor, sarcasm, or ridicule via tongue and cheek is a joke that is lobbed towards Jesus. This joke was directed in several directions at once with it's splatter effect, ie. southerners, religious, cowboys, and people of morality... Homophobe is the liberals invention to counter their Moralphobia. Moralphobia translates into Christphobia.

Sorry, but Conan crosses the boundary with this one, his whole show (and several of his late night competitors) is to take the low road for a laugh, and most people that have any backbone avoid it like the plague.

BTW... the easily offended (as you like to call us) has watched as these so called entertainers have dragged morality down to the dirt and then want to press it in your face. We have watched lately as Janet Jackson throws her boobs in our face on prime time without warning, we have watched as government redefines "marriage". We have seen what it has done to our nation.

It about time some actually got offended. IMHO...

gonzo #fundie freerepublic.com

"...Actually, Keith Ellison ran as a Democrat in a deep blue district that encompasses the greater portion of Minneapolis..."

Correct! It's the dimocRATic party that failed to reject this muzzie in the Primaries, or, more preferably, failed to simply reject him as a muslim candidate, since we are at war with muslims.

And if this corksucker whips out a copy of the koran to swear on, the rest of the congresscritters should whip out their Bibles and beat him to death with them!

That's my religion-of-peaces .............. FRegards

30 posted on 12/31/2006 10:53:35 PM MST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)

CottShop #fundie freerepublic.com

There is truly nothing new under the sun- these atheist liberal dolts think they're being novel in their approach to villify Christianity? Here's a wake-up call God-Deniers- you've failed for centuries and will continue to fail right up until the point the Christ returns to paint the streets with your spilled blood.

DogByte6RER #fundie freerepublic.com

"'And Tango Makes Three' is based on a true story about two male penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo who hatch an adopted egg together."

I wonder if these two male penguins were coaxed or trained by a homosexual (or some other liberal activist) zookeeper from Greenwich who was just looking to make a point. You wouldn't expect to hear of such nonsense at say the Cincinnati Zoo. The San Francisco Zoo...yup. The New York Central Park Zoo...yup. Go figure...


Andrew Byler #fundie freerepublic.com

Its impossible to "murder" a Communist, since the Natural Law tells us it is the right of any normal man to do away with people who are Communists, since Communists wish to expropriate and enslave all of humanity, killing everyone who resists or is of an impure class background. At no times have Communists, once they have gained mastery of a country, not taken to total expropriation of all private property and the indiscriminate murder of a large portion of the populace. Murder is contrary to the Natural Law, but to kill a Communist is to conform society more closely to the Natural Law, since an enemy of civil society is thus eliminated. (No, this arguement won't get you very far in certain "law" courts, but in the eyes of God, there is nothing wrong with killing a Communist.)

ClearCase_guy #fundie freerepublic.com

Homosexual relationships
Homosexual marriage
Pedophilia
Zoophilia
They are all lined up. The anti-family agenda of the Left is prepared, and each item will be pushed in turn until, bit by bit, enough people say, about each of the items: "Not that there's anything wrong with it..."

timer #fundie freerepublic.com

Yes, when you equate Jesus with alien technology it all comes together. The disappearances in front of his disciples is W=P, the balance point of (matter)Wave(length)=(fermion)Particle(velocity)of super-momentum. To wit, when you slam-freeze all mass-change in the body to 0 deg K, it is in a pure momentum state. Thus t=dKE=m=(W>P or WP or WP or WP you know as deceleration/weight, which is what you call "time" : over running MATTER WAVE ENERGY in newtons of wave force......4 years ago I visited a guy in Colorado that did the W=P trick to himself in 1991 : disappeared right in front of his wife for 1/2 hour, and he felt himself(his spiritual self of course)in this black/blank void. Scared the living $#}] out of himself, and hasn't been able to reproduce the effect since despite many tries(pure W=P is so delicate to achieve). Thus the problem is maintaining STABILITY. Obviously Jesus/aliens know how, and routinely use it in missing time/abductions......Bottom line : the mastery of Quantum Mechanics is what it's all about, the world beyond today's world, in which our lord Jesus is KING.

Iam1ru1-2 #fundie freerepublic.com

Israel and America were founded on the principles of the 10 commandments. That is why both countries are democratic republics. If we cannot put limits on behavior, then we have no right telling other nations that they cannot have nuclear weapons, kill innocent people, or invade other countries.

Jaysun #fundie freerepublic.com

[Regarding the Jerusalem Gay Pride parade]

There should be outrage, violence, and pure mayhem in Jerusalem - against the gays. The very idea is an insult. We can't tolerate perversion. They can be gay if they want to, but not in the streets of Jerusalem.

goldstategop #fundie freerepublic.com

[Regarding the Jerusalem Gay Pride parade]

There should be no compromise with evil. If Jews today had the gumption of their Maccabean ancestors, all the pagans in Israel would be put to the sword and the name of God would be feared throughout the Land.

[Followed by the poster's sig:]

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

Disturbin #fundie freerepublic.com

Maybe I've seen too many of these forensic type shows (since they're the only thing on the regular networks these days), but ...

What happens when one of these trannies commits a crime and they look to DNA evidence? They're no longer the same "gender" as their DNA would indicate. Who do we allow this as a society?

little jeremiah #fundie freerepublic.com

Yet another disgusting article about a disgusting subhuman fiend - and a public screwel teacher - who sexually molested children. These articles are just pouring out like sewage out of a broken pipe.

Why is this happening? When a whole generation or two of children grow up being taught explicitly through sex-ed, and slightly more subtly through media indoctrination, that there are no morals, that right and wrong do not exist any more, and that the only guide for proper sexual behavior is whatever feels good (and if it doesn't feel good at first like anal sex, just keep trying) - then more and more of this hateful behavior will happen.

Anyone who sends their children to public school is playing Russian roulette with them.

taxessreforever #fundie freerepublic.com

[Response to report of a 360 million year old lamprey fossil which is very similar to present day lampreys]

Unaltered for 360 million years? Back to the books for evolutionists. Since a lamprey didn't need to evolve this means that humans didn't either. That's what I get out of this.

Vaquero #racist freerepublic.com

I work with a woman who shares parenting duty with another woman. Oddly they both appear butch to me. They didn't use the turkey baster they adopted instead from central America.

Now I cant argue with my wife when she says that the kid is better off as far as health and clean living environment is concerned. and they even buy her the girly girl toys she craves, so she may actually grow up somewhat normal....

....but...

the cumulative affect on not only the kid but on society itself is devastating the country and has to be stopped.

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