The universe is as old as you want it to be. But God created Adam and Eve and put them in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. There are theistic evolutionists that believe that God created them over time and then when man had developed to where he is now, God put them into the Garden. The modern age began.
Perhaps you need to do a little bit of study on biodiversity to see how that works.
"freethinkers" or "open minded" people are infact, close-minded people.
As everyone who is "open minded" want's everyone to be "open minded" therefore makes themselves, a closed-minded person.
Open-mindedness is a hypocracy really
Which of course shows the dishonesty of "peer-reviewed" journals in that they ban any open discussion on ID. I can assure you there are lots of people who would write the articals but they can not get them published.
God tells men to love their wives as their own bodies, so a Christian man would not want to hurt his wife.
However, a husband can not rape his wife. She permanently gave her body to him at the marriage altar. If she witholds sex from her hubby then she is disobeying God and depriving him, and he has every right to have sex with HIS wife. Just as she has every right to have sex with her hubby. The Bible says that once you get married, your bodies belong to your spouse. I hate it when people say stuff about men raping their wives. It is not rape if you use something that was permanently given to you.
Creationism is science simply because there is no conflict between science and creationism. Look at miracles. When God performs a miracle He simply restores things back to the way He intends for them to be. The problem then is not to "prove" the miracle, the problem is to prove that there was ever a problem in the first place. It is to easy to say the test results were not right or something of that sort.
Our conscience is God telling us something is wrong. Even people who are not born-again have most likely experienced their conscience functioning. We all have a human spirit. It is this part of us that longs for God. It is this part of us that feels empty and we keep trying to fill it with things like education, job, money, sex, drugs, whatever, but nothing satisfies us until we have the Lord.
This is an article that I found on a christian apologetics website.... very interesting indeed... aparently the total probability of our existance is 1:10^99 and since there are estimated to be a maximum of 10^23 planets in the universe (10 planets/star), by chance there shouldn't be any planets capable of supporting life in the universe (only one chance in 10^76).
There was a global flood 12,000 years ago. Actually, with global warming the ice is still melting and the ocean level is still rising. That is one of the reasons that New Orleans went underwater.
A woman should not give a man anything until they are married. I disagree that a woman or a man, for that matter, should feel comfortable no matter what he/she wears in public. I do believe in social standards and personal responsibility. A person who feels genuinely that he/she did not contribute to their circumstances will not be as embarrassed and will be respected for the kind of victim they represent. A person should dress modestly and not present themself as an object to be desired, if they do not wish to attract unwanted or undue attention. I do not believe a woman should cover herself with a sheet while the guy runs around in shorts and a t-shirt; however, I do take offense when anyone dresses provocatively, even lurid but acts the prude when such dress instigates unwanted advances. Rape is a crime, but it is certainly one that might be avoided in many instances by simply applying tact..
ok folks if you have a monkey and a monkey they give birth birth to a monkey, so for a monkey to all the sudden like a human being giving birth to a elephant over millions and millions of years. it make no sense you know the only reason why they say millions of years is to make it more belivable but you werent there or anyone else to see it happen so you have no fact we ever evolved. thank you god creationist
As for the argument that believing in natural selection is believing in evolution, there seems to be a bit of flawed logic there. Natural selection is [basically] adaptation, genetic learning if you will. There's a big difference between the vast random changes required for the accidental life theory of evolution and the fact that change happens over time whatever the speed.[...]
I found it pretentious when scientists found the most recent 'missing link' fossil that 'shows' the transition from sea to land animals. The fossil shows structure both for living on land and in water, somehow that must equate to evolution when adaptation to its environment is all that can be established as fact.
In reality, God used slavery to deliver Africans from ignorance of the One True God. Again, suffering is used to bring people to God. It is a common theme.
The thing is, they believe, with out knowledge, that we know nothing, and are complete morons for believe what we believe, because they must be right, lol, the arogance it takes for them to compare us to Santa Clause is unbelivable. They act as if I have never research a tiny bit of my faith, and neither has anyone else, they are blind, and don't want to learn anything.
God exists.
It's not a scare tactic for religion. God and religion are two SEPARATE things. Your relationship with God is what's important. Hell is a place for people who know the truth and still chose disobedience to God's word. Everyone sins. The point is repentance...genuine turning away from past sin. Not just saying sorry. that's why there's a hell...for those who join with Satan in rebellion to God's will, for evil.
[Why does God not cure amputees?]
He does. They are called artifical legs.
such rhetoric can only persuade the most limited and mathematically unsophisticated minds.Such an artificially contrived string of gibberish does not compel anyone to accept that an infinitely impossible event(abiogenesis lets say) can become possible
[After being told by another member to stop posting articles which are irrelevent and/or derrogatory to other faiths in the non-christian religions section]
ok, let me get this point across to you, I will continue to post PRO christian sources, because that is what god told me to do, and if you don't like it, than you don't have to be there, just turn your head to my threads if you don't approve of what I am doing, but stop this stupidity.
[Explaining how divorce is so much worse than rape]
According to Deut, rape is only bad (except for the violance aspect) in that it goes against marriage. Divorce is a much more public, obvious affront to marriage than rape. SO I stand with my original answer.
C.S Lewis married his wife Joy when he was in his fifties. Their marriage was a truly happy one by all accounts. Lewis says they "feasted on love." Soon after they were married Joy got bone cancer which meant certain death within a few months. But Lewis asked a certain minister to pray for her, and not only was she healed, but bones which were eaten away showed clear signs of being regenerated. In any case all concernd including doctors believed they had seen a miracle. Joy lived for two more years.
Lewis was of course overjoyed at the miracle and the extra years with Joy.
But when Joy died, he referred to God as a "cosmic sadist" in his anger and grief.
This is a perfect example of the Spoiled Brat Principle. We are so entirely lost and ungrateful that even the greatest Christian apologist will complain- in spite of seeing a miracle.
Questions:
1. Why would God want to heal anyone if he gets called names by Christians anyway?
2. Why should we believe all the skeptics need is proof, when it makes little difference to Christians thenselves?
3. Why should we believe a skeptic would not behave as Lewis did- or worse, at first very grateful to God, and then calling him names?
4. If Jesus came back and healed all the terminally ill patients in the world for two years, you would do what exactly, and for how long?
[...]
BTW, this thread neatly nullifies the "Why does God hate amputees?" and other rhetorical questions.
You do not understand the mind and abilities of God.
Not that I know them all but I have an idea.
Can you formulate an idea?
Can you make make that idea materialize?
God can too.
Can you scientifically let me know you have formulated a thought within your mind without showing me material evidence that you had a thought?
[If everything needs a cause, why not turn that logic around and ask what caused God?]
This logic would only aplly to the ones that need such logic, since we do not need such logic to understand god, we don't need to worry about that, but since you need that kinda logic to not believe in god, you are the target audience for such a debate, not us.
this is common sense! everyone is born a christian, later in life they may decide to believe in something else. like many atheists and agnostics that choose to believe that way because they feel(and wrongully so) that there is no god. marriage is a christian birthright, a. polygamy is a perverted version of "marriage" currupted by the minds of mormons. if we allow that kind of stuff to stand then soon gays will want to marry, soon people will want to marry sandwiches or trees. where will the line be drawn??? as a christian birthright, it is out job to put a stop to it before it becomes abused byp eople who take it for granted
[Would you rather have a not so bright Christian leading the country, or a smart atheist?]
I'll go with the not so smart Christian.
Atheist have no solid moral base to stand on - they change their idea's of what is morally permissible with science or politics. This is due to a lack of objective truth (God) and no sense of ultimate justice for our wrong doings. No matter how smart the world thinks an atheist is, remember he is in reality, insane.
[Talking about The Da Vinci Code]
I honestly feel that the books should be burned and the movies should never reach the theatres. the amount of damage they have and will cause will be enormous. thoughts???
[Creationism was tested 200 years ago. It failed.]
Exactly, what testing and computer models did they come up with 200 hundred years ago that failed------100 years ago even You must be dreaming or perhaps you are only spreading some evolutionist's lies.that you heard again and again in public institutions. P.S. Perhaps those claims were broadcasted on network TV way back then too. I understand that they were so technologically advanced.......
That is ok. We also have "Christian jews" and "Christian Muslims", Christian Catholics" etc. [emphasis added]
I have been able to talk to god for over a year now. Now he does miricles (small ones mostly-dont cost as much money) but they work everytime. He wont give me pigs flying miricles and stuff(so not everytime but u get what i mean).
my problem is, is that God told me not to talk to him anymore. Now i stopped doing the miricles but he still makes things happen when i think about them. So if im watching a hockey game and i say i wish so and so would score, they will. im not even trying to use the powers but i cant control them. What should i do? Lock myself up so i can't take away free will?
I have been thinking of where the Garden of Eden is. After Noah's flood, it must have been buried under water. That is why no one has ever found it before. I think that it is in the Bermuda Triangle area because God said that He would send an angel to watch over it. All the strange happenings there, scuba divers disappearing under the sea... that is either it or there is a dinosaur down there...
I have been thinking of where the Garden of Eden is. After Noah's flood, it must have been buried under water. That is why no one has ever found it before. I think that it is in the Bermuda Triangle area because God said that He would send an angel to watch over it. All the strange happenings there, scuba divers disappearing under the sea... that is either it or there is a dinosaur down there...
[but why does it have to be shown how colours evolved? I could easily just ask how did the designer make the colours?]
If we are to believe that something randomly happened, it must be shown how this would be possible.
ID just has to show thought, not show how.
[On a woman whose mantal illness went untreated due to the belief that it was demon posession, leading her to cut off her child's arms]
In one way or another, ALL illness is in some way caused by SATAN/demonic and should be treated as such!!
Poisoning a patient with drugs/ medications is outrageous and should be BANNED in the states!!
They also should stop, incarcerating these types of people and let them reside peacefully in their own homes.
We can observe that a peacock's fethers surve a function: to atract females---emperical evidence.
We've observed purpose.
We can observe that that a pecock's fethers don't serve any other function---emperical evidence.
We observe specific purpose.
Specific by definition means exact. A feature cannot evolve an exact purpose by undirected means.
Hence: A peacock's bright plumage is not a result of indirected process.
How is this not evidence of ID?
How can a homosexual (male) designer in the fashion industy tell a Heterosexual Male, what is sexy attire on HIS Hetersexual Counterpart, the Woman???
You think, a Strapless Gown is desirable, in the eyes of the Heterosexual Male, even though a Homosexual most likely designed it . . . and FWIW, a homosexual female most likely, modeled it . . .
IF you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN, I suggest you seek out a Heterosexual Male and ask him for his opinion . . . Don't let an admitted degenerate/ doomed to hell, practicing (in-your-face with their sin) sinner tell you HOW to dress in todays' world . . .
MAYBE, one day in the future, MORE Heterosexuals will get into the Fashion World and TURN things around and WE won't have to choose between two evils, such as, the immodoesty of a strapless dress vs the immodesty of revealing cleavage!!
A homosexual does not KNOW what "turns-on" a Heterosexual Male, when he sees a REAL WOMAN dressed in something . . .
Any historian knows there would be no Buddhists at all if there were no "judgemental" Christians who died so you could believe whatever nonsense you like.
It's sort of like saying a hippie is nicer to people than his father, a WW II soldier was. The hippie would be saluting der Furher and violently reeducating Buddhists but for his father's sacrifices.
["Why on earth is it so important for some guys to have a virgin wife?"]
For purity. It would be great to have a wife that only has your genes inside of her, and not the genes of other guys that she has slept with.
Atheism is not a totalitarianism, yet atheism cannot exist in a free society, since people naturally gravitate towards supernatural.
[Seemingly trying to falsify plate tectonics]
In a rock formation, layers are said to build when new sediment forms on top of an already existing layer. As a result, the higher up the layer, the younger the sediment.
What you describes reverses the supposed age of layers. Already existing layers are replaced as new layers push up under it.
New layers......form under older ones.
This can't be explained any simpler.
From a logical standpoint, what you describe falsifies geologic rock ages.
Again, a flood is not only simpler, but more logically sound.
to do so or to accept evolution is to mean that Genesis in its literal context is wrong. which is not the case, because it it was inccorect, it would say so itself. i've mentioned this before, we know that there were reports of darwin recanting his theory, and of other scientists doing the same. my question to you is, why hasnt God recanted Genesis???
evolutionists say that fossil is millions of years old, yet nothing alive today can live a million years. talk about making stuff up!!!
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George W. Bush is the antichrist. He performed not only one but TWO great miracles.
1. He has let everyone see two planes crashing into the WTC towers
2. He has let everyone see how he was able to multiply his votes by four in the 2004 elections
Amerika deserves its antichrist. An antichrist that will not be able to perform the ultimate miracle...
3. To postpone the rise on the exponetial curve once more. Because time to celebrate the satanic trilogy ..... in the post-tribulation period... is NOW behind us
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there are no missing links, they dont exist. it would be like finding a peanut butter sandwhich and having an evolutionist say "look, this was obviously a peanut butter & JELLY sandwich, but we dont have the proof to show there was any jelly". maybe, just maybe the peanut butter sandwich was designed without any jelly. it never was on it! these missing links that the evolutionists have is why hoaxes are created
You guys are always saying this. Why don't you give evidence for your own claims ? What has Hovind, Gish or Ham ever said that was faulty ?
[About Ford supporting same-sex marriage]
ford is clearly doing this because satanic influences have infiltrated their ranks. lord only knows how many other companies are going to resort to such disturbing tactics to undermine family values and make salmon burgers look like free food for all. my only question is ,why is a company that promotes such bad things still in business???
christianity has a monopoly on marriage, it was created in the name of Christ. its not right that we see other cultures and religious denominations(including homosexuals) feel that they can control what happens with our birthright. satans claws go deep into our society
those millions of "liberal" christians have the right idea, if they follow Christ. but liberalism itself, is a sin. just like any other
[Following up on post that already made FSTDT]
I stand by my words. Abortion "doctors" are scum of the earth, and should be destroyed. I would give them the benefit of a lousy kangaroo trial. After that, they would be taken into the streets and shot (or hanged -- their choice). I have absolutely zero sympathy for these Nazis.
If you can prove evolution to me , like show me how it has been usefull for scientific research , then i'll stop being a christian. Try your best.
[re: How does God talk to you?]
Gah like.. which one do we reply to, theres like... two. O_o He speaks to me through feelings and other people and events.. sometimes I hear Him verbally when I cuddle up close to Him when I feel upset or sorry.. or depressed... Hes pretty cool!
Canada=modern day Sodom & Gomorrah - God have mercy on this wicked antichrist nation that seeks to mock God and His laws - we have become a tolerant nation all right - tolerant to sin!!
If I were President, I would command (by executive order) the military to shut down every abortion clinic in America, and every so-called "doctor" who performed abortions would be given a kangaroo trial and promptly executed. When I say executed, I mean they should be hanged in the streets, so as to serve as an example to others. May God have mercy on their souls.