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Harris #fundie atheistforums.org

Let me introduce a new miracle of Quran.

The word “Land” mentioned in Quran 13 times that is 13/45 = 28.888
The word “Sea” mentioned in Quran 32 times that is 32/45 = 71.111

The approximate ratio of land to sea is 13:32 or 28.888:71.111

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/8o.html

The author, who hypothetically was living in desert in seventh century, knew the exact quantity of water on earth and that knowledge made him capable of writing these figures in coded form.

Harris #fundie atheistforums.org

In Quran:

The word "man" is mentioned 23 times
The Word "woman" is mentioned 23 times

The total number of human chromosomes is 46 in 23 pairs

23 from the FATHER (man)
23 from the MOTHER (woman)

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/basics/h...hromosomes

What is surprising that any author habitually does not bother to make sure of which word he is using how many times while expressing some idea. If some author did put some words on purpose in specific number of time, then he makes sure to make it publically known.

Perhaps the author has some secret plan behind repeating certain words in specific numbers, which people come to know after passing of some time and that is the case with Quran.

[...]

The word "Moon" appears 27 times in Quran
Moon takes a complete round around the Earth in 27 days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon

[...]

Point one:
The word “Day” is mentioned 365 time in Quran

Point two:
The word “Month” in plural form is mentioned 30 times

Point three:
The word “Month” in singular form is mentioned 12 times

Point four:
Chapter An-Nahl, meaning “Bee,” is the 16th Surah (chapter)
The male bee has 16 chromosomes

Point five:

“And We raised him to a lofty station.”
Maryam (19)
-Verse 57-

If I put chapter number 19 and then the verse number 57, I will get 1957.

By keeping in view the contextual meaning of the verse 19:57, the amazing point here is that first ever satellite, "Sputnik 1," was launched in 1957.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1

Do you think all these points are coincidences? Quran is full of such (so-called) coincidences. If you are not satisfied with these then let me know and I will give you more.

Prophet Mohammad received Quran in small pieces in variety of circumstances during a span of 23 years. When people compiled all those pieces in form of a book only then they learned, which word is used how many times. There was no human in seventh century and there is no human in today’s world who can arrange and compile a book the way Quran is without upsetting the consistency and meaning of the text yet keeping the specific pattern of word repetitions with a miraculous accuracy.

“And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura (chapter) like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.”
Al Baqarah (2)
-Verse 23-

“Is it that their faculties of understanding urge them to this, or are they but a people transgressing beyond bounds?
Or do they say, "He fabricated the (Message)?” Nay, they have no faith!
Let them then produce a recital like unto it, - If (it be) they speak the truth!”
Ath-Thuur (52)
Verses 32 – 34 -

pool #fundie atheistforums.org

[Look, pool. You're trying to say that theists don't exist just because what they worship isn't well defined. But they do exists, just as football exists, even though football players play an imperfect game. Catch my drift?]


And now i'm just sitting here sobbing like a 2 year old because nobody has ever been that understanding with me,even my dad - i'd probably save you if i had to choose between you and 5 random people.

*That's exactly what i'm saying.
How can someone believe in something with no physical or theoretical evidence(But probability can say that the existence is probable because:aliens(long story))but when it is also something that is ill defined?Then it's a whole another thing..

*It's like believing in fldsmdfrism which is a ism that says that fldsmdfr exists and fldsmdfrists doesn't even know what fldsmdfr is.Therefore i can discredit fldsmdfrism and therefore fldsmdfrists cannot exist because the reason why they existed in the first place is itself flawed!

*I can't seem to connect god with football because football has a physical evidence also it has a consistent definition.("Any of various forms of team game involving kicking (and in some cases also handling) a ball, in particular (in the UK) soccer or (in the US) American football.")

*So if god doesn't exist theism shouldn't exist either because the most basic element that was used to build theism is "God".So theists do not also exists.But theists that "think" they know the definition of God exists,but they aren't truly theists because they only "think" they know it there can never be "theists".Don't you agree?
If you do,then why should atheism exist?Which is a ism that rejects the claim of theism(which cannot make a claim because what they are claiming to exist doesn't have any theoretical evidence nor does it have any physical evidence and then they say they don't even have a consistent definition of it!What the fuck theists??)

pool #fundie atheistforums.org

ting ting ting ting ting ting!
Analogy time
Theists: Cat is dog.
Atheists: I don't completely agree or i disagree.
Me: lol cat is cat,cat aian't dog lmao.
Theists: Oh. *runs to the room crying*
Me: ._.
Atheists: Haha look at theist noobs,lets get outta here. [this is the appropriate response :P]
Atheists: Haha look at theist noobs,they are so wrong,lets not get outta here and stay here. [this is the inappropriate response :P in which case atheists have the burden of proof -because theists are no longer making a claim,so you're just sittin there rejecting a claim that isn't even made *derp* so you're the one making a claim in that case]

[i specifically used "noobs" because you are a 5 year old and i'm told 5 year olds play COD]

Better Analogy time
Theism is the mother.
She gave birth to her sons atheism,deism,agnosticism,gnosticism,polytheism,ditheism,pantheism,etc.(gawd lady xD)
Atheists: mommy can't reproduce ; _ ; i'm adopted.
Theists: no lol we aer her cheldrn.
Atheists: no you fucking idiot!i checked.. - she's a man!


So Atheists are saying that Theism is a man and theism couldn't have taken Atheists out of her vagina(because obviously she doesn't have one).
If Theism is indeed a man then Atheists cease to exist(just like how the "Mother" cease to exist)because a man can't give birth xD [ps: adoption is a big NO NO in the analogy]

PiousPaladin #fundie atheistforums.org

The Protestants are no better, they are just as deep in heresy as the sodomites. If anything they are more guilty, the heresies of democracy and rationalism could not have risen without the reformation, so they not only have the sin of disobedience to God upon them but allowed the formation of even more sinister causes.

As I mentioned, error has no rights. There is only one true religion, Catholicism, and no other can be tolorated. Pius IX rightfully confirmed in the Syllabus of Errors the only true freedom of religion is to practice the only religion that is true.

PiousPaladin #fundie atheistforums.org

Murder? Killing heretics and those who poison the souls of the faithful is not murder, it is a sad sacrifice but one that must be made to uphold and retain the purity undefiled of his Church. Better to cut off a bad branch than to let it fester and destroy the tree.

PiousPaladin #fundie atheistforums.org

It depends on the level of scandal. An athiest who keeps his opinions to himself and does not tempt the others into heresy does not need to be executed, he must repent of course but he is only a danger to himself. It is private, it is personal.

A sodomite marriage however is something very public, it is a vile public display of blasphemy and must be struck down and prevented. Error has no rights, and if it cannot be corrected it must be cast aside into the trash.

Women who don't cover their hair can be dealt with, they can comply or remain unseen in society. We cannot ignore Protestants or sodomites who flaunt their sinfulness and lead others astray. The disobedient woman can be private, a Protestant Church by virtue of what it is cannot be.
It

PiousPaladin #fundie atheistforums.org

As for your final comment I don't see anything wrong with slavery. The condemnation of slavery was also part of the heretical Vatican II council. The Catholic Church does not condemn slavery, in fact it is useful. Both to us and for the condemned party, it is kinder to enslave a pagan and grant him time to repent than to kill him outright.

Randy Carson #fundie atheistforums.org

If it is your opinion that Eve had NO knowledge of good or evil whatsoever, then why does the next few verses say:

Genesis 3:6
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.

Eve knew:

1. the tree was "GOOD for food"
2. GOOD to look at ("pleasing to the eye")
3. GOOD for gaining knowledge ("desirable for gaining wisdom").

Clearly, there are at least three ways that Eve knew that something was "good"; thus, we can see that she did have some basic understanding of "good" and "evil" and from this alone she should have been able to grasp that disobeying God was NOT good - especially in light of His warning that they would die if they ate of that tree.

This is just another attempt to make God a moral monster by blaming Him for our human failings.

Little Rik #fundie atheistforums.org

Oh, please Ton don't talk about ignorant.
You build up in your mind that physical science got it right
but when i did asked you whether these researchers die and then came back to life
so they could tell whether there is God or not you don't reply.
Ton this is the only evidence, all the rest is just guessing.
The sooner you get this in your mind the sooner you will get out the mental sewer
in which you lie. :)

SteveII #fundie atheistforums.org

According to the Christian THEORY (since I don't need to be certain of anything to have a theory, I just need some evidence that agrees with my conclusions) God has interacted with our reality (not meant to be an exhaustive list):

1) The universe had a cause
2) Life exists
3) Complex biological systems exist
4) The ancient Jews interacted with God quite a bit
5) Jesus came, ministered, performed miracles, died, and was resurrected
6) Miracles still happen
7) There is a god-shaped hole in everyone's psychology
8) The "inter-witness of the Holy Spirit" (there, that should get all the WLC fans going)

Of course you will pick apart each one as "you can't prove..." and "baseless assertions". I don't have to prove them, just like evolution, the mountain of evidence I have points to a probabilistic conclusion that the God of Christianity exists. Until I am presented with a theory that answers all of these questions with a different answer, that is what I choose to believe.

Despite the vitriol that is sure to come, this is not an unreasonable THEORY--much like believing in evolutionary theory is not unreasonable.

Little Rik #fundie atheistforums.org

I am off to work soon so i will answer to all your points fast.
The brain is not a car of course but nevertheless is a vehicle.
A vehicle that carry a passenger.
The atheistic idea that the consciousness mind is a product of the brain will
have sooner or later be smashed in pieces.
The human being build up the vehicle not the other way around.
The brain is made of matter and the matter can not possibly build up the consciousness mind.
The two as far as the body is alive are connected to each other as the driver and the car would
allow the vehicle to move so so far one can not do anything without the other.
Does this means that when the vehicle rot down also the driver rot down?
What would you do when your car fail?
Would you fail and die with your car?
You never thought about it guys, did you?
All you will do is leave your rotting car and buy a new car in order to carry on toward the goal.
This has already been experiences by thousand of NDEs beside be part of billion of people who believe in reincarnation.
I am afraid that as soon as physical science will work together with intuitional science and will find out that the brain is a
product of the consciousness mind all atheistic ideas will be shredded in pieces.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

Igno,
Spend some more time with YT on the Illuminati (Luceriferian) connections and you will see the myth of conspiracy theory.
Unlike how the theory of evolution became fact by constant mantra repetition, this one was a fact first.
The elete have made repeated statements for their planned "New world order" for decades, and now it is in your face.

Their messages are everywhere in plain sight, like the Superbowl car commercial where the little girl says, something like-"we wait until everyone is sleeping- then we STRIKE". What does that have to do with a car?
It is a sublime message of intent by the elete.

Here is another one from the Superbowl- this time a Lincoln commercial.
Guy is driving down a desert highway with nothing around.
He comes to a stop when a bull is in the road in front of him, then he says, it's Ol Sirus, that he better go back.
Clue- Osiris was an Egyptian god (Satan by another name) and the word sounds just like a slur of Ol Sirus.

Now, if you were driving down a wide desert road, would you go around the animal?
Or would you stop in front of it and say what the actor did?
Only a moron would stop and sit there- unless it was a message.
The message is simple- Osiris is coming and he is too big to mess with.

snowtracks #fundie atheistforums.org

Words of the Bible and the facts of nature come from the same source, from God himself, who chose to make himself known. There isn’t a third choice or someone could claim they have special revelation.
God is not revealed directly through the five senses. Consider this scene. -
If a physical entity with the appearance of personhood were to materialize on the white house lawn and while saying “I’m God” (loud enough that it was recorded) levitated a foot above the ground, would that constitute proof that God is not hidden?
As the secret service approached, this entity asked one agent to place his hand onto the entity’s shoulder which the agent did thus making the entity to disappear. Later, in the briefing, the agent said the shoulder garment felt ‘velvety’, anything else you noticed? ‘yes, as we approached this thing, there was an aroma of fruit, the closer we got the more pungent it become, much like orange blossoms’.

Heywood #fundie #homophobia atheistforums.org

[But - and this is the point of this rambling pseudological screed - I think Heywood's incorrect about WHY we demand people not engage in certain behaviors: It's not because those behaviors are immoral, but because they cause harm.]


I said I can find no non-religious reason why homosexual sex should be immoral between consenting adults.....So I agree with you. However if God finds homosexual sex to be immoral and punishes homosexuals who engage in homosexual sex by sending them to hell, then homosexual sex does cause harm.

Now that being said, does that mean I find homosexual relationships to be equivalent to heterosexual relationships? I do not. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that they should be unless God deemed it so. If they are not equivalent then why should I view them as such?

SavedByGraceThruFaith #fundie atheistforums.org

Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)

Atheistic origin science has a lot of explaining to do to counter the very obvious and scientific conclusion that God, the Almighty Creator, indeed created all things. A thorough investigation into the facts, the laws of nature, mathematics, and logic will prove that this alternative explanation, of an origin without God, is totally false and contradictory.

Therefore, a second irrefutable proof of the existence of God Almighty the Creator can be made. Assume indeed that atheistic origin science is correct, and all of the creation can be explained without God by the laws of nature and random chance. As will be shown, this assumed theory will prove to be false. And since the only alternative to a Creator is false, then again the fact that the Creator, God Almighty, exists will have been proven again.

Atheistic origin science claims that it can explain the origin of things without God. The claim is that most things have been explained and only the details need to be ironed out. The truth is that atheistic origin science has not been able to answer anything of importance in the origin question. If anything, new discoveries have ended all hope that it will ever be successful. So after over 150 years since Darwin, and over 50 years of an extensive effort, atheistic origin science has not answered anything. Why does anybody believe it ever will? Most of its believers have either died or will die before anything will ever be answered.

To show that atheistic origin science has failed, I will just ask for some simple answers to some very simple questions. If atheistic origin science has answers, this should be no more than to copy the answers from the verified answer book of atheistic origin science.

If there are no real answers, it proves my point.

If the answers given are not complete answers, avoids questions, dances around questions, or doesn't answer one single question, what does that say about the claims of atheistic origin science.

Please note I have some more simple questions to ask.

Questions

What was the first living thing?

Was it made of just proteins?
If so, how many amino acids did it have and what was their sequence?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.
How did it then make the jump to RNA and DNA?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

Was it made of just RNA and proteins?
If so, how many nucleotides for the RNA and amino acids for the proteins?
What were the sequences for both?
What are the odds of that happening?
How did it then make the jump to DNA?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

Did it actually use DNA?
If so, how many nucleotides for the DNA?
What was the DNA code sequence?
What are the odds of that happening?
Please show real calculations.

What was the 2nd living creature?
The 3rd, 4th ... up the actual first cell?
What are the odds of each of those jumps?
Please show real calculations.

Upward evolution

Could man have evolved from an apelike creature in just 5 million years?
What are the odds based on the fact that there would be about 30 million base code differences in a 3 billion base code DNA between the 2 creatures, only 500,000 generations in that time, and only at most several million individuals for each of most of those generations?
What are the odds?
Please show real calculations.
How did that happen since higher-level creatures use sexual reproduction?
Please show real calculations.

Now repeat that feat for the over 100 million species that have been supposedly on the Earth. What are the odds of that?
Please show real calculations.

Given the fact that mutations in general corrupt the DNA code, why is the DNA code of all species not completely corrupted after the long line of progression over hundreds of millions of years?

The fossil record

Why does the fossil record show distinct species fully formed throughout?

Why has not a single chain of missing links of one disparate species becoming another ever been found in the entire fossil record?
There are millions of chains of missing links still missing. None have been found.

Provide one set of dates for one supposed intermediate species. Give the dates of the ancestor, the intermediate and the descendent species for one intermediate species.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

Brakeman, a long time ago Lucifer, (who was resplendent in beauty,covered with jewels and the music minister of Heaven) decided he was going to boot God off the throne and take over.
As Lucifer, he had never seen the severe side of God.
He made an irrevocable mutiny.

The only way for this monster to get back at God for expelling him, is to attack the thing closest and most dear to God-
creation and the pinnacle of that is you.
But God has been allowing him to continue on, because he is man's test.

Apparently God has a particular number of people to pass thru the turnstiles of life before He ends this age and begins the Millennium age of 1000 years without the devil.

At the end of that span of time, it says, the devil MUST be loosed from the pit (where he is to be stashed for that thousand years) -
for the purpose of testing those living in that awesome time (the Restoration of Al Things).

We are at the end of 6000 years from Adam- the coming sabbath "rest" of one thousand years will complete a "Week" of Millenniums and the realm of eternity will begin on a new earth.

I was asked about some proof of what have relayed here.
I realize youall reject supernatural / spiritual stuf, so the following is for anyone else who may be listening:
Satanists seem to only rail against Jesus Christ.

People involved in UFO abductions report in their encounters that the UFO entities rail and blaspheme ONLY Jesus Christ.
These entities are demons posing as aliens.

Their evil purpose is twofold- to give a naturalistic (aliens from space) explanation of the Catching Away (Rapture), and to strengthen the position of the antichrist as he becomes more powerful after the Rapture.

VAN BELLE Jean Marc #fundie atheistforums.org

Scientists never 'create' things: they trying mixing things together in weird, non natural and natural ways, and suddenly have a result they did not expect while 'playing with their interests as they were kids'.

Sometimes they can do things with that that were not intended when trying it out.

And then they start to gossip, to slander... and 'create' theories.

So scientists and their followers/believers (!!!) create theories, not things of their own. Unless we call these 'words' life, of course (and so they get "off course" here).

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

As it happened, the snake was the only one low enough to let the devil speak thru himself.

Today, we have lots of people to replace the snake.
All you have to do is watch the Super-bowl half time for the last 2 years. It's right there in your face.
Or any number of imams, or some Vatican spokesman, the big list goes on an on.

but I will get back on topic.
The tree was simply a test. Notice the snake led them to the tree of knowledge.
He does the same thing today.
Knowledge rather than Life is very popular in the cults.
All the BS of "Hidden knowledge" / "Secrets", that only the intimates receive- like a carrot dangled out before the horse and when he gets it- he finds it wasn't the whole thing, so more carrots are dangled out.
He spends a lifetime pursuing and the devil hopes he dies trying to find all the fake knowledge and never comes to the truth.
An "I gotcha" realized.
I see the same thing here.
No, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a test, the devil was the teacher, the students failed miserably.
But the tree of Life is still beckoning- only from Heaven.

Heywood #fundie atheistforums.org

Benny, the definition of evolutionary system I am using is reasonable. It was not tailor fitted so that only human created evolutionary systems satisfy it. In fact I would challenge you to present an argument that the definition I am using for evolutionary system could only apply to human created systems. 

The fact is the definition I am using could apply to evolutionary systems which did not need intellects if such systems actually exist. This should be intuitively true to you because you accept that a system which you believe came into existence without the need of an intellect satisfies it. 

If you don't want me to consider just human created evolutionary systems, then present some systems which are not human created.....I will consider them. If they turn out to have come into existence with out intellects and satisfy the very generic and broad definition I am using for evolutionary system, then I will shut up.

There are two things I have been considering over the last couple of days. Minerals and birds nest. The system which lead to the diversity of minerals around us today....is it evolutionary? Birds nests.....some of them are pretty snazzy and I wonder if they evolved like cars do.

Drich #fundie atheistforums.org

No sport what I am saying is In the beginning God literally created everything Genesis Accounts for in 7 days. Then between the last day of creation (the rest) and the fall of Man your 4.6 billion (or whatever number your precious science wants to plug into that slot) happened, then about 5000 years ago (give or take) the fall happened and Man was expelled from the garden. So yes Adam and Eve were potentially in the garden for 5 billion years, or whatever number you need to plug into that spot. (Per the tree of life which they had access to.)
That is why the tree of knoweledge was so tempting to eve. (it was the only thing left in a garden the size of 2/3's of North america that they had not done/was an unknown.)

So Again a literal 7 day creation, but a very long period between the last day of creation and the fall of man which starts the geneologies found in scripture that dates 'man with soul' to about 5000 years.

snowtracks #fundie atheistforums.org

(Regarding a news article suggesting that NASA found DNA, or some of the building blocks of it, in space)

finding meteoritic trace amounts of these chemical compounds are tantamount to finding gold in sea water. just another nasa ploy to keep program funding's flowing, they're playing you like fiddle and you don't even know it.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

I wonder how many Jewish people have longed to be NOT chosen.
No group of people have been more persecuted.
You see, they were not chosen to be some kind of "Special" above others entity.
The chosen-ness has to do with purpose.
It has been like a target on their back for a very long time.
Satan knows if he can destroy that people- the prophecies die and his doom is put off.
The Spanish inquisition, the Catholic one, Satan's man Hitler, were all shots at this.
Now Islam raises it's ugly head against them. 
Bad timing for Islam.

On America, just like ancient Israel, when they walked uprightly for a time- they prospered.
America has prospered. 
But there is a two edged sword to it just as there is a duality for the Jews.
Americas have chosen a president according to their sin.
Because of where we are in time- this last presidential choice has ramifications beyond previous selections.

If one tenth of what I have shown occurs- we both can chalk it up to chance.
If most of it happens, tough choices need to done.

Heywood #fundie atheistforums.org

If we are living in a computer simulation, the end of the world might be around the year 2050. It will be about that time when we have the computational abilities to run are own ancestor simulations. This will cause stacking of simulations upon simulations eating up all the computational resources of the parent reality.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

Well, this has truly evolved (the kind of evolution I can believe in).

I was asked about "Kinds", the word and concept predates the culture of evolution by several hundred years.
Lately, the naturalists are confused by what it means.

When you go to get an ice cream, you are asked what KIND you want.
You specify vanilla and you do not get chocolate.

Neither do they become one or the other over millions of years.
If you have a dog, you might be asked what KIND of dog you have?
Pretty simple isn't it.
The genetic code is what? Silly putty?

His_Majesty #fundie atheistforums.org

[And why, I wonder, do you think God decided to continually rub out and then replace life forms throughout the fossil record? We certainly don't find any modern forms among the earlier strata. Of course magic could account for any and every discrepancy. You'd just have to stop thinking you were adding anything of merit to the non-magic discussion.]

There is no fossil record

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

(Numerology and the Obama Antichrist Conspiracy - part one:)

Seeing how Stimbo gave me the go-ahead during the week to write about the attributes, clues of the AC- I will give that a shot.

We have been looking for a candidate for the AC for probably centuries, but especially since the re-establishment of Israel as a nation (an event without parallel in history and fulfillment of prophecy). Jesus cannot return until the Jews are a nation again.

Upon the election of the mystery man (only document released on him at that time was his grade school info- all else was sealed) in '08 in his home state, the next day lottery number was 666. The pic 4 number was 7779.
Numerical significance:
Triple 6: antichrist number
777: triple # of God's perfection
9: the number of judgment
The above was sign number one to me.
Subsequent to that was brought out that the date of O's claimed birthday is day number 216 in non-leap years, which is 6X6X6.
Candidate Obama hailed from representing Zip code, 60606.
I calculated the odds for the above to be 3.3 trillion to one for these odds to fall on a single person.
3.3 with the decimal point removed is 33.

33 million people were said to have watched his infomercial on my birthday. 33 is a notable high figure in the occult.
I believe it is because one third of God's angels rebelled in following Satan, thus the occult (his contraption) reflects his hallowed number of 33.

Mr. Obama had a replica of the Temple of Pergamon (spell?) described in the bible as the "Seat of Satan" made for his acceptance speech.
(The actual temple was moved from Turkey to Germany and is in a museum there.)
The stadium chosen for his acceptance has a white horse for it's mascot.
Mohamed is said to have ridden a white horse to heaven in a night trip there.
O was brought up a Muslim and, following Muslim practice of lying to enemies, has claimed to be a Christian.
He surely knows about the supposed trip to heaven and the horse.

There are many different titles for the AC, on of them is the "Assyrian"
Assyria was always an enemy to Israel.
Kenya, the birthplace of O was within the Assyrian empire at one time.

In the book of Daniel, it is said, the false Messiah would seek to CHANGE the laws and times.
Note that the platform of Mr. Obama was CHANGE.
Another title of that one is the "Lawless One" indicating a penchant for lawlessness.
Obama has stated how he doesn't need Congress.

I have noted a striking parallel to O and Jesus in their lives:
There was a controversy about the Messiah's place of birth -"No prophet comes out of Galilee", the Jews said while rejecting Jesus.

Jesus made a convoluted path before he was born and after.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem (fulfilling the prophecy- "But you Bethlehem Ephratha - out of you shall come unto Me, He that is to be ruler in Israel.... who shall be called, wonderful, councilor, the Mighty God")
Mary and Joe traveled to Egypt, returning after Herod died.

Obama made a similar treck within his mom and after he came forth.
The place of his birth in Kenya is kind of a national shrine.
Note that it was considered that Joe was the dad of Jesus, but he was not.
For O, Obama Sr. is thought to be his dad.
There is no possible way the stocky round face Sr. is the father of O.

He does look like Malcolm X, and is within a half inch of Malcolm's six foot three height.
I believe the reason O ended up in Chicago was, it was headquarters for the Black Muslims and the place where Malcolm was murdered. Malcolm stated the country would never be able to be overtaken externally but must be done from within.
O attended a Black Liberation (God damn America) "Church" until Rev. Wright became an anchor for him.

Back to the narration, in the life of Jesus, there was a gap in the bible until he was found in the Temple at a young age. In the revealed narrative of O, there is a similar gap until his grade school record and picture of him (registered as a Muslim) in Indonesia.

After that, there is a similar gap until Jesus is baptized by John and he began his public ministry (after defeating Satan in the wildreness).
The gap is also found in the experience of O, until he was baptized into politics in the home of a communist.

Note the name of John.
He was an announcer for the Messiah- an "Elijah".
At the beginning of Jesus' coming forth publicly, John asked 'Are you the One?.
At the beginning of O's candidacy Oprah Winfrey stated, "He is the One"
Oprah (new age spokesperson) was an announcer for O.

To be continued......

Huggy74 #fundie atheistforums.org

(Regarding golden spirals, ID and bees:}

Except that the example I gave of Bees involved how they reproduced, not the shape of their hive.

For instance, a male be will have
1 parent
2 grand parents
3 g grand parents
5 gg grand parents
8 ggg grand parents

and females tree would start at 2,3,5,8,13.
by dividing the number of females by the number of males you get 1.618, Phi.

Bees have no concept of mathematics, so why do they reproduce according to the same sequence? what determines it? Isn't reproduction supposed to be random? coincidence?

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

(Numerology and the Obama Antichrist Conspiracy - part three:)

Esq, I am trying to understand your question.
Why did Obama take a convoluted path when he wants people to believe he is the antichrist?
If that is your question, I assure you, he wants people to believe he is the Christ- NOT the anti-christ.
Maybe you missed all the magazine covers and photo shoots portraying him as a savior, some complete with halo.
Or the entertainer who gave thanks to "My Lord and Savior Barack Hussein Obama".

One thing I want to add is, Satan (in mimic of God) likes to give sublime signs and prophecies. He comes as an "Angel of Light".
Lucifer has a root meaning of Luminescent.
Thus he is found in the various cults of sun worship.
The Obama logo is the rising SUN.
His mother was in the Subud cult which worships the SUN.
Loretta Fuddy was in the Subud cult and she was the official who verified the B.C. for O.

To be continued........
I gotta go to bed now I am whupped.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

(Numerology and the Obama Antichrist Conspiracy - part two:)

Obama is on video joking how he was born in Hawaii and giving a large wink simultaneously with his words.
It was a signal for a thing not true.

Back to original question on O:.
The name of the horse Mohammed suposedly rode to heaven was named Barack.

In a play on the word- barack, and can be spelled barak in Hebrew means "blessed".
So when Jesus said "You shall not see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"- this statement is a double prophecy.
First comes the false messiah -Barack who shall (future at this point) come to the Jews, then afterward, Jesus will come to the Jews- the real Messiah.
Jesus said,"I saw satan as lightening from heaven". In Hebrew, this would be: I saw satan as barack O (connecting element) bamah (heights or high place).

Rambling- I was considering about Galilee (the town Jesus was from) which is a large lake in Israel.
Then I thought about Chicago, also built on a large lake.
Jesus and Barack both lived against a large lake when the began their public ministry.

In Farsi, obama means, "He with us".
Contrast that with the prophecy about Jesus being called- Emanuel- "God with us".

Jesus was an expert in Jewish Law. He is now called our "Advocate" advocate means "Lawyer".
Obama supposedly was trained in Constitutional Law (no record of this is released- he supposedly held a law degree which is revoked).

Jesus did not have a birth certificate.

to be continued.......

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

(Numerology and the Obama Antichrist Conspiracy - part four:)

Esq and Whateverist, I can only give you my evaluation on the why questions you ask.
There seems to be non-game game God does with hiding things with the express purpose of making us SEEK.
The devil can only mimic what God does in his own pretension of being god, so he does the same thing.
Secret societies with their initiate programs, sucking people to deeper levels of demonic deception are utilizing the very same principle.
They promise "Enlightenment".
A variation on "Ye shall be as gods".
Remember Satan comes as an angel of Light (Lucifer- light bearer/ sun worship, etc.)
You remind me, there are 2 beings seeking:
God is seeking to show Himself strong to those whose hearts are perfect before Him.
The devil goes about AS a roaring lion seeking those he MAY devour.

Now, about the signs/ clues. It is part of the "Game" (should I say "Strategy"?) both God and the devil are playing.
Without a doubt the lottery numbers and the Zip codes (there are 42 thousand of them) are God's clues.

My buddy at work asked, "Why hasn't someone shot this moron?"
I told Carl- they can't. He is being protected by both God and Satan.
But the day is coming when he will mimic the Resurrection of Jesus,
whether by an actual or a seeming mortal head wound and recover in 3 days. (this may be where the new CG animation comes in)
That is the next mimicry on his list.

God has been highly involved with O being on the world stage.

Just as the Jews chose Barabas (name means - son of the father) instead of Jesus.
The people today chose the criminal.
God did not choose him- the people did.
He always gives people the choice.

Mow some more rambling clues...
Remember how O mimicked Jesus' ride into Jerusalem on a modern donkey?
I forgot to mention the symbol of the democratic party.
What is it? A DONKEY.

In the book of Daniel, a thumbnail profile of the false messiah is given:
A mouth speaking great things, proud, boastful, arrogant.
Is there anyone in public office who fits this?
(no- not me, I said "Public office")

Speaking of public office, do you all remember the beam with the phrase:
We remember
We rebuild
We come back stronger
The beam weighed 11 thousand pounds (11 is the number of destruction),
Each "W" in Hebrew is the number 6.
Hebrew is alpha numeric, their letters are number equivalent, you can see the letter "vav" perfectly on the side of each "Monster drink"
that we see all over -666 (just a little subliminal indoctrination from the energy drink folks)
So the AC gave a vertical illustration of his identity (knowing or unknowingly I do not know).
For any of you into handwriting analysis, do give a peek at the all inclusive circles in the signature of O, very impressive.

At a 911 memorial occasion, O quoted the 46th Psalm.
One of the phrases within that psalm:
"Be still and know I am god"
Sure, just another co-incidence.
The mouth speaks what the heart is full of ( bible quote)
Wasn't it Bush that quoted the 23rd Psalm when the Twin Towers were bombed?
Then Obama quoted the 46th one with the ONE WORLD tower rebuilt.
OH yeah, there are 46 chromosomes in us. so the two towers (each having 23 of the little rascals) gets combined into a single structure.
Cool. A super subliminal signal of the one world plan right in our faces.
And nobody knew.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

["The presence of the anti-christ? I can't wade through 42 pages of people making fun of a likely idiot but let me guess...

Obama is the Anti-Christ.]

You got it Tj,
This is hot off the press- the day before 9-11 Obama had a video-
President Obama addresses the nation on the ISIL.... (by the White House) on youtube.
I am telling you that the address was completely Computer Graphics.

One clue is there are frames missing on the time line at the beginning and at the end.
At the end, O goes from being before the podium to having his back turned and being 15 feet away in one frame - one second.
And yet in the vid he walks away. Same at the beginning- no frames but he takes 6 steps to the podium.
Check it out.

I don't want to derail this post but this info is connected-

"and he had power to give life to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak........" Rev 13:15
My perception is this is a test run for the new tech.
Interestingly I am told, the patent is called, Animating the beast.

I fully realize I will be roasted for posting the above, but I wanted to get this out there, because the level of deception will be rising dramatically.
It says in scripture that he deceives the whole world.
I want you guys to NOT be deceived.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

Well Min [another forum user], you asked for a prophecy date.
I am going to give you one.
I now have enough info to step out and declare it.
I have been looking for the day of Departure since I heard about it and read about it in the Bible over 40 years ago.
I always thought I was "Focused", now I found I have a touch of OCD.

Depending on the time zone you are in - the Rapture (the day no man knows- an idiom for Rosh Hashanah) will be within 24 hours of the 25th of September 2014.

The Tribulation began on my birthday in '08 with Obama's promise on national TV seen by 33 (highest # in the occult) million people- to CHANGE the nation and the world.
His covenant/promise was verified by the nation upon his election.

Just as the Jews were given a choice at the "Trial" of Jesus, in the same way- America chose the criminal.
Don't blame God. He was involved with the choice but He did not make it.

(Nearly no one in Christendom grasps that we are currently IN the Trib.
The teaching among those who actually believe the bible (rather than the lies of tradition) is that 7 year period begins with the Departure.)

In the book of Daniel, the false Messiah is prophesied to CHANGE the laws, note that Mr. Obama's platform in '08 was a single word- CHANGE. He has been changing laws illegally via executive order since elected.

On the Five Doves website there was supposition that something big should occur on Oct 29 of the election year, because they had dialed back 7 biblical years from Sept 23 2015 Yom Kippor.
I think they were calculating back from their projected date of the 2nd Coming.
There are a couple of numbers geniuses on the Doves- I just listen.
So when Oct.29 (my birth day) passed with just O's infomercial - one of the guys said- "could this have been the "Covenant with many?"-
We started looking intently at Daniel, there was no mention of Israel - the commonly held co-joiner of the covenant.
The deal/ agreement/ covenant was indeed with many - millions and O.

Interesting to me that my anniversary at work is the 22nd of Sept and being that Y.K. 2015 begins the evening before-
that would be on my hire date.
My clock number at work for all these decades has been 501- the same as the gematria of BHO in Hebrew.
Not a co-incidence.
I have come to understand my destiny was to reveal his destiny and the truth of the Gospel.

The spark for this crazy post began last week.
The gnawing perception was in my mind, that this is Noah's second day- just as he went UP over the coming flood- so are those who are accounted righteous - going UP over the disasters of the conclusion of this age.

My thoughts were- there is not enough time left for 7 years. 3 and a half years do not fit because Jesus is fulfilling the FALL feasts ( moed/ rehearsals)- not the spring feasts that were fulfilled 2000 years ago.
There are 3 feasts to be fulfilled- Rosh Hashanah is next.
Idioms from Judiasim- Trumpets/ the day no man knows/ the day of judgement/ the day of the awakening blast/ the hidden day/ the opening of the gates/ the day of the last trump/ the day of coronation of the King/ the wedding of Messiah.

Part of the above paragraph is common knowledge among those of us who are "Watching" but that was not enough for me to post this.
Confirmation came over the weekend via a couple of internet related sources that this year is the year I have been waiting for all this time.

The Rapture / Resurrection will begin the great Harvest that is the end of the age.
I was praying yesterday that justice and truth comes to the terrorists - ISIL and the word came to me- no- These wicked ones are gathering together- they have made their final choice and will be exterminated soon.
The typical method of God's communication w/ me is perception and the bible, occasionally a word.
Some people get dreams/words/ visions, synchronistic signs.
There is always an element of faith involved though (I would prefer it to be like you guys, right out/direct/face to face), but that is the way it is.

What is coming is not the end of the world.
The world never ends - it does get new management.

What we see going on is not false labor- the ever increasing earthquakes, the evil of Islam exposed, mass animal fish and bird die offs, the AC and FP are here, on and on it goes, are the real labor pains.

Half the professing Christians do not go up with the Heavenly Bridegroom.
He takes all the little ones too- flower children I suppose.

This post is your second invitation here on AF to enter the Ark- Jesus.

Both the ark of Noah and the body of Jesus had an opening in the side.
The blood of Jesus which flowed from His side made our Redemption possible.
There is still time for each of you to enter the ark and miss what is coming, but if you don't, please be a part of His harvest dead ahead.

professor #conspiracy atheistforums.org

Summerqueen, you can thank the military for the missile strike on the Pentagon.
There were NO aircraft parts found- no 10.000 pound engines, no aluminum all over, no bodies.
How come?
The sole security video that was released had the section between the missile just appearing and the explosion removed.
How come?
The damage hole in the Pentagon wall had NO damage where the wings and engine of a large jet would have caved it in.
How come?

Now let's wander over to Pennsylvania. There was a hole in the ground. No body parts. No aluminum all over, one engine found in the woods (size not revealed). How come?
The investigators looked around, shook their shoulders and left.

A witness to the Penn.flight declared she saw a SMALL jet head to the crash area before hearing the crash.

When 911 occurred, I wondered WHERE were the dogs sniffing for explosives?
Why did the steel immediately get shipped out to China?
This was way before I found the truth about the event.

Like all of you, I blamed the Islamics.
It is ironic that the one atrocity that they did not do was blamed on them.
But the PTB[Powers That Be] got the war they wanted.

I suspect the majority of people cannot tolerate the thought that their leaders are nefarious.
This also goes fully against the grain of the Liberal deep- seated view that all people are basically good. Unwilling to personally see evil within- this view is widened to be nearly all- inclusive.

No children were killed at Sandy Hook. It was all acting.
The PTB wants to overturn the second amendment so desperately that they concoct these dramas to turn public opinion against the single Amendment specifically designed to protect the public FROM totalitarianism by GOVT.
Once that is gone Tyranny is the plan.

Eye of God #fundie #homophobia atheistforums.org

Use your head, theists come with certain beliefs that we are commanded to share. Dur.

[You are also commanded to kill witches and homosexuals. To kill people who wear clothes made of 2 different materials. To kill those who work on the sabbath. You are also commanded to kill atheists and the entire town in which you find said atheist. Do you do these things? Hypocrite.

Don't pretend that you do anything because the bible says so.]

I do everything my Lord commands me. If he were to command of me that I kill homosexuals and people who work on the Sabbath, than I would be forced to do so. However, that order was given to the Israelites for a reason I do not know. NOT ME. Perhaps if I was born an Israeli I might feel differently.

Thankfully, that act has not been asked of me and I am glad because I personally have nothing against homosexuals or working on a Sunday.

mickiel #fundie atheistforums.org

There are many ways to verify a god , but because god is unorthodox, the verification is as well; one has to think outside the box of the norm. atheism is a way to verify god, why has not the world been entirely atheist, since it began that way? And why has theism overshadowed atheism in human history? How did it move to the forefront and stay that way for so long?

The duality concept must be observed then, as unorthodox as it is. How could we have up without down? In without out? Good without evil? Yen without yang? theist without atheist? Natural without unnatural? Male without female? The existence of one demands the existence of the other.

atheism is right, none of mans gods exist, absolutely none of them. But there is a god outside of human invention. Both then must exist, no gods and god. That duality is evidence that no yen can be removed from the yang. We cannot remove females and claim only males exist. As long as atheism exist, then god must exist, or atheism has no reason to exist.

RDK #fundie atheistforums.org

How did things really happen. There was no intelligence in the beginning. No rules to establish the mechanism of life. No parts floating around looking for some useful place to fasten onto. What good would a random strand of DNA do if the directions( which it did not yet have) not appear to direct the construction of something which as of yet did not exist.
Random creation and evolution is one of the biggest lies out there. Don't swallow it.

Riketto #fundie atheistforums.org

1) Science and technology are two dead things that can be given life when
the consciousness reach a high degree of evolution so it is not due to the
physical aspect that we evolve.
Our far ancestors had the same elements to develop technology but they
could not just because the degree of consciousness was very low.
2) Gregor Mendel spend over 10 years of his life just on one experiment.
To know a little bit about genes you got to study for years and years at the uni.
In both cases one very important thing is missed and that is the fact that
genes are a reflection of the degree of consciousness that we have.
You can be an expert in causes or and expert in effects.
I choose the first.

Stephanie #fundie atheistforums.org

(If there is a god, why would he gift me with the intellect to reason he doesn't exist.

You'd think he would be a bit smarter, being a god an all that.)

Knowledge is a weapon from Satan that he attempts to use to detract from our purpose on this planet.

Stephanie #fundie atheistforums.org

So if God appeared to you you would worship him?

[The Greek God Apollo appeared to me in a dream. Does that mean I should regard it as evidence of Apollo's existence and start worshipping him?]

We're talking about reality here bud.

Heywood #fundie atheistforums.org

If God does in fact exist and created/maintains our reality then there should also be observations which cannot be explained by natural mechanisms. Quantum randomness is such an observation.

Now keep in mind, quantum randomness isn't something that hasn't been explained by natural mechanisms. It is an observation that has been scientifically shown that it cannot be explained by natural mechanisms.

professor #fundie atheistforums.org

Russia is unwilling to be controlled by the western elete.

The only friend the bear has is Iran and it's allies.
They are going to march against Israel.

I wish I knew when.
After Israel knocks out the Iranian nuke threat?

They will march on Israel and will die on the mountains there.
Great storms and natural disasters will come against them.
The whole world is going to see what God thinks of Islam and Communism.

But Monkeys!!

Either one letter off from a descriptor of the person making the argument or the more typical presentation of the argument? You decide.

Revelation777 #fundie atheistforums.org

Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

Sword Of Christ #fundie atheistforums.org

[After being asked for evidence that the universe was designed:]

You can go into thew mathematical structures and patterns of the universe, natural forces, living forms and the various mathematical ratios and aspects of the human body and DNA, the Golden Section and all the rest of it.

But it helps if you accept the universe is the purpose made creation of the almighty God before you get into those details.

Godschild #fundie atheistforums.org

[After reading a post where an atheist mentioned he became an atheist after spending two semesters at Bob Jones]

I don't care much for the university myself, but your position is coming from the bias against your dad and Christianity.

GC

ronedee #fundie atheistforums.org

You're not looking for anything but to degrade God, Jesus and anyone associated with God, and any thoughts of a spiritual nature. You are spiritually dead! Like St. Paul says: "God, and Jesus are nonsense to the lost men of this world." And trying to reason with people like you is an occasion for sin!

The Constitution of the United States of America was written by [Godly people]. Who prayed before every meeting Be glad you're not living with a country (yet) that doesn't fear God. Freedom and God are synonymous. No matter what way you try to carve it up to be.

Why do people want to be in America? Just ask anyone crossing our borders illegally longing for a better life? FREEDOM. And you can't have it without everything that God stands for!

When the Constitutional Convention hit a snag 5 weeks in because of arguments and misunderstandings.... what did they do? PRAY!!

Believe whatever you want about the piece of paper, and the men who assembled it. Fact is, that God was indeed the inspiration that empowered everything that resulted in our US Constitution.

The "Since That Worked So Well the First Time" Award

MarxRaptor #fundie atheistforums.org

I was thinking up ideas today, & I have a really good one. Germany should be reoccupied & not be allowed any sort of military. Germany's existence is a stain on humanity. Instead of spending money on the military, Germany should have to cut back all spending & raise taxes; sending all the money to Israel.

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