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zantos,buck008 #fundie mmo-champion.com

so are you claiming it is a right for an admitted pedophile to be allowed to work around children if he so chooses to?

zantos: Yes. They are Not a rapist. They have committed no crimes. In some cases, when someone is afraid of something, exposure is actually the best cure.


buck008 :I'm telling you that you would never know if they didn't tell you anyway. This is a person that has not committed a crime. Do you really want to be in the business of punishing people that aren't actually guilty of anything? I thought we "SJW's" were supposed to be the facist thought police.

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Hyve #fundie mmo-champion.com


"An Australian woman who spent eight months in prison in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) on charges of having sex outside of marriage after she was gang-raped told her harrowing story to Yahoo 7 News.

What is happening in the UAE isn't acceptable by our standards, and I don't think it is right to imprison victims, but I think it is even more wrong, to impose our morale views and opinions on another nation. They've built their society to support the needs of Western & Middle-Eastern Businesses. If they start to give more to either side, it becomes too extreme for either party.

It isn't fair on the girl, and my views on rapists are fairly extreme themselves (Castration as punishment), but to go around trying to moralise their world is what has started almost every war, battle and conflict in the Middle East. Just leave their world alone. If you've not done deals, worked and been to these places and seen the people, you can't pretend to know how it really works.

I was unable to sit in on an online video meeting with a few people from the Middle East, because they thought I was too pale and untrustworthy. If you don't look right, or they don't trust you, you don't get the deal. The UAE acts as the middle man, they've got the people needed for all your business desires and needs, and you just tell them what you want to be said and done.

They take a cut, get rich and live happily ever after. If they start allowing women to live a westernised lifestyle, then that Middleman Status is gone.

I don't hold to the notion of moral relativism. What the UAE does is reprehensible regardless of whether or not it might be profitable or convenient, and they should be called out for it.

Why? Please explain why our values, morals and way of life is better then theirs? They're the rich, powerful and successful society with less domestic issues.


I'm well aware mate, just saying we are usually not expressing our concerns with these kind of issues sufficiently. I realize thats part of the game as far as diplomacy goes but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical on our parts.

But why should we express our concerns? That is their way of life. They don't make big public announcements on how they believe our women dress like whores, and how the men are homosexual scum.

We don't interfere with them, they don't interfere with us. It isn't just diplomacy, it is just common sense. This belief that we should all be international policy, spread our amazing society around the world, is just bullshit. All of Western Society is fucked up beyond repair, and we want to start enforcing our values on them?

I'm not claiming their society is perfect, far from it, but I would much rather live in their society, and then Western Society, and the Billionaires who visit and live there, seem to think the same.

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Eroginous #fundie mmo-champion.com

I think revenge porn is 100% fine. You can't really fault someone if you send them naked pictures/video or let them video tape you having sex, and then they put it on the internet after you break up.

We live in the world of social media sharing, where people talk about how big their shits were or how jealous they are of their friends stuff. Facebook statuses are updated constantly with the most inane garbage that no one should ever know about you, yet it's accessible worldwide by anyone. Tweets are sent out about the most random and mundane shit, as if we're all supposed to be impressed by your run of the mill life and your average Joe opportunities.

We get to see how risque you are with your almost nude instagram pictures! If only you showed a little more skin!

Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for anyone who knowingly allowed nude pictures or video be taken by anyone else, with or without consent.

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Rudol Von Stroheim #fundie mmo-champion.com

Yeah, unless you were drugged/spiked somehow without your consent and can prove as much you really have no grounds to call rape.

Again, personal accountability is always in play when you're making these choices to get drunk, high, etc. If what results of that wasn't what you wanted because you were too out of your mind to say 'no' or to think better of the situation, that is ultimately, still your fault. Sorry.

I've got no mercy nor sympathy for anyone on this matter. Get your shit together

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Hyve #fundie mmo-champion.com

Lets take a look at the Jimmy Saville case. Many of the people complaining about him, were 15 - 18 years old at the time, which back in his day, when everyone was sleeping with anyone, it was perfectly acceptable. You ask any rich man who lived through the 60's -> 80's, everyone was sleeping with everyone, and everyone wanted to!

There wasn't much abuse, there wasn't much neglect. It was all just free loving. Yet, here we are today, screaming about a dead man who fucked a 17 year old who at the time, wanted to sleep with him, because who didn't want to sleep with Jimmy back then!

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vizzle #fundie mmo-champion.com

I still don't like this To Catch A Predator bullshit. Some of them are out there looking, yes, but many of them are lured into it.


Thats the point. The real sick person there is the guy who is aggressivly pushing someone to do the deed, breaking down their will, then taking some moral ground for it.
Lol I mean when is the person who provokes someone into a fight ever truly innocent? Why is this any different?

Yep. The better way to stop girls from hooking up with men is for parents to wake up. That "To Catch A Predator" show is disgusting. So many of the victims on that show are average men just trolling around the internet, and a nice hot pie of sexy bait was put down right under their nose, offering themselves up willingly. If there wasn't any bait in the first place doing that, many of those men would have never even considered it. Ruin people's lives just for a tv show. You think that guy will keep his friends, his job, his family when they see that episode? It's horrible.


most states require a 4 year age gap for statutory rape
it's pretty fucked up how many of you in this thread are pro-pedophilia. you disgust me
vizzle: there is no way you feel bad for pedophiles who hook up with people who pretend to be 14 year old girls and you're not one yourself. normal people do not sympathize with grown men who look to fuck 14 year old girls

Nobody here is pro-pedophilia. We're saying that the way they lure these men is horrible.

Give a man a bomb, an empty room, and the person he hates the most in the world, and make him believe that nobody will ever know what happens, and you're sure to see an explosion. Would that man kill under normal circumstances though? Not always.


Do you take issue with police leaving bait cars out to catch thieves? I'm sure most wouldn't consider stealing a car if one wasn't left sitting right out in front of them, right? It doesn't matter whether there's a lure or not; any decent human being wouldn't even entertain the thought of banging a kid.

Considering men have been fucking young girls for all of written history except for the last hundred years or so because people suddenly decided it's taboo, and in some places around the world the legal consent is 14, I really don't understand this giant "OH MY GOD YOU'RE A PEDOPHILE" epidemic plaguing everyone. I'm not a pedophile, I'm not pro-pedophile, I'm anti-rape (of course) and I don't like it when girls are abused, but I think it's silly that all of a sudden we have to change the way humans think despite the fact that men have been doing it for centuries and still do, legally, in parts of the world.


Men have been killing people since the dawn of time. We've also raped women because they were below us. We also kept slaves. Do I need to seriously compile an entire thesis of things we've done up until the last century that we shouldn't have been doing in the first place?

Yes, but killing and raping have always been "bad". Men and girls getting married and raising families together was always normal.


if you think it's ok for a grown man to fuck a 14 year old kid, then you are a pedophile. just because they married off 14 year old kids and traded them for sheep in the dark ages when everyone died at 28 doesn't mean it's ok

You honestly should be infracted for spouting "pedophile" at everyone who has a different opinion from you. If a 14 year old girl wants to do it with a man, I see no reason why she shouldn't. It's the responsibility of the parents to make sure she is educated and knows about it, to make sure she won't do something stupid. Biologically, there is nothing wrong with a girl having sex at that age.


[Bali] 14 year old teen arrested on Drug charges
Australian authorities have confirmed that a 14-year-old boy from NSW has been arrested in Indonesia after allegedly being caught with drugs while on holiday in Bali.The boy was arrested on Tuesday, allegedly in possession of a small amount of marijuana.
He could face a lengthy jail term if convicted of possession charges, which carry a maximum penalty of 12 years in jail.

Can't really feel sorry for him, he knew the consequences when he did it.


HHe was 14, he probably didn't. 12 years? thats irrational. I don't do weed, but I dont even think it should be illegal, while alcohol isn't.

How would you not know that getting caught with drugs is illegal when you're 14? Unless you're completely unaware of the outside world (which I'm going to assume he isn't) a 14 year old, even if he doesn't know the ins and outs of the law completely, would definitely know that drugs = illegal.

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Ol scratch #fundie mmo-champion.com

As a guy i understand that theirs nothing wrong with rape its more like theft.

Exactly.

People act like it's the worst crime imaginable. It's no worse than a mugging (with equal chances of either being particular brutal if you resist), and nowhere close to attempted murder let alone outright murder. Hell, the vast majority of the animal kingdom, including early man, relied on it just for procreation.

Of course, we're the only modern species I'm aware of that has females who whine and cry and act like the world is coming to an end during childbirth, too. I can almost attribute that to the "oh, I just noticed I cut myself a few minutes ago, but it's only starting to hurt now that I've noticed it" phenomenon.

But the rape thing? It's pretty ridiculous. It's also amazing how it's largely women who act permanently traumatized by the incident, as if their life isn't capable of continuing on just because someone touched and violated their naughty bits without permission. Yet if it's a dude in prison getting brutally ass-raped? Eh, who cares. He'll certainly get over it soon enough, and probably won't even bitch or moan about it for the rest of their life, and act that if they're ever touched by another human being, they'll burst into flames or something.

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Kapadons #fundie mmo-champion.com

never understood the big deal with rape. Oh no, you had a penis inside you. The fucking horror. 2 weeks ago you had a penis inside you and you loved It.

Sex isn't that big of a deal. It's just sex. The issue is people attach all these emotions and feelings around sex. It's in your DNA to fuck. You think the wildebeast gets pissed that bull from the other herd rolls up and dumps some cum into her ?

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Ol scratch #sexist mmo-champion.com

You're absolutely right, it is completely unreasonable to put up defenses against most cases of rape. But does that mean it's pointless to try and safeguard against the others?

It's pretty much impossible to do, unless you want to distrust just about any man.

Yeah, because all men are evil rapists just biding their time. Nailed it.

Sorry, but if you want to dramatically lower your chances of getting raped, don't dress like a slut, don't get drunk around complete and utter strangers, and don't go wandering off into quiet little areas with people you don't trust especially in a situation that is otherwise rapey. Guess what! Do those things and chances are you'll be a genuine outlier if and when you do get raped, and in those cases, you will not only get, but deserve, any and all sympathy others have to offer.

It's all about not being a completely and utter moron. That's not "slut shaming" or "victim blaming," it's "quite being a fucktard"ing. Want to drastically lower the chances of having your car stolen? Well don't leave it idling with the door wide open when you run into a store, especially in a neighborhood known for its criminal element. That kind of logic is exactly the same sentiment behind the "don't dress like a slut, dumbass" statements.

Does it mean having your car stolen or being raped isn't still a horrible thing to have happen to you? Nope. Does it mean the criminal doesn't deserve to be prosecuted under the full weight of the law? Nope. However, and most importantly: Does it mean you deserve any sympathy for all but inviting someone to victimize you? Nope. Just like the guy who left his car idling.

Sure, you can do whatever you want. It's your body/your car. But don't expect anyone to feel bad for you when you do something stupid with it, not because you deserve it, but because you shouldn't have been such a fucking moron in the first place.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

At the core, many cases of sexual assault involve 2 people, drunk, going into a room then coming out telling different stories. In the absence of physical evidence or other witnesses that's a really hard crime to prove. It's he said/she said.

Many movements recently have been trying to deal with this by lowering the standard of evidence required to find someone guilty, which is concerning because obviously you can't have accusation = guilt in any reasonable society.

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Nerevar #fundie mmo-champion.com

A Norwegian woman has been sentenced to imprisonment for one year and four months in Dubai after she reported a rape.

- The woman reported a rape to the police in Dubai, but was not thought of this. We have been told that she herself was instead sentenced to one year and four months. The judicial system here has obviously taken the information she has given them and meant that she is guilty of anything, says Gisle Meling, a priest in the Seamen's Church in Dubai.


Meh. You live by the laws of the land you inhabit. So if anything, she is the only to blame. Should have known better.

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Xaelai #fundie mmo-champion.com

The moment you start victim blaming, is the moment you make it much easier for rapists to actually get away with it. You can recognize that it's dumb to act in a manner that would entice people, but in the end a no means no. I also clearly said 'act', because I don't believe that dress is a valid way of enticing people. Just because a girl is wearing a tiny dress doesn't mean she is trying to entice men.

Praytell why ELSE she'd be wearing skimpy clothing?

I can't think of a single practical use for wearing skimpy clothing other than trying to look sexually pleasing to men. Unless she's Bi or lesbian or something and trying to look nice to other girls, but still. Is there really a need to be walking around in public dressed like that?

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Xaelai #sexist mmo-champion.com

Woman wears clothing that invites men to look at her in a sexual way.
Woman struts her stuff to show off her body in an area that's not so safe.
Woman gets raped.

Sure, the guy is definitely at fault, but sometimes it takes two to make something happen. Maybe if women would dress a bit more conservatively, maybe if women wouldn't be showing off their body so much, maybe if women would watch what they're doing at parties and such, we'd see a lot less rapes.

Do you walk down the streets of the ghettos at night wearing an armani suit, and carrying a briefcase full of cash? Of course not. That'd be inviting a mugger to rob you blind. Do you park a Lamborghini and leave the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition in some dark parking lot at night? I would hope not.

So why on Earth would you want to wear skimpy clothing that invites men to lust over your body and then strut your stuff at some party where someone can drug you or grab you and make off with you and take what they want?

Doesn't matter if it is a robbery, rape, murder, there's the person who commits the crime... and then there's the person who the crime is committed against.

If the latter invites the former by being an easy target, or an attractive target, then the latter is partially contributing to the crime. Everybody has a responsibility to act maturely and in such a way that they are protecting themselves from such crime. Sometimes crime happens anyways even if you do take all the precautionary measures, but if you do something absolutely stupid and you become the victim of a crime... then yes, you're partially to blame for it.

"A woman shouldn't have to change her clothing because of lustful men!"

Ok, are you also saying that a rich man shouldn't have to change out of his armani suit before walking down the streets in a ghetto at night? lol.

Everybody is responsible for their own personal safety. This includes women and skimpy clothing. There's no reason to wear skimpy clothing other than to get men to lust after them. Is it really THAT big of a surprise when a woman who was wearing that trashy clothing gets raped? Now, obviously, if a woman was not wearing trashy clothing and still got raped... then no, she's not at fault (unless she did something else stupid, like drinking at a party or something) at all.

You can't just disregard personal safety and expect the rest of the world to conform to you. No, you must conform to it. If personal safety means not going down the ghetto streets at night wearing rich clothing and carrying money, then yes... that means you either have to not carry the money, not wear such rich-looking clothing, or take the long way to avoid the ghetto street. If you're a woman wanting to avoid being raped, then yes... you should not be wearing skimpy clothing and perhaps you should be avoiding parties and drinking. Perhaps if the woman in question weren't wearing trashy clothing, men might have a little more respect for her, eh?

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Xaelai #fundie mmo-champion.com

Woman steps outside in alluring clothing that shows off half of her body and gets men to drool over her, and then gets raped... uh, yes, she contributed to the rape. Maybe if she hadn't been doing her best to try and get men to look at her and sexually desire her, then maybe she wouldn't have contributed a rapist being pushed over the edge?

Just like the rich guy walking down a ghetto street at night example contributed to the mugging by flaunting his wealth in the poor part of town with no protection or common sense.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

The rapist is the only one causing the rape. Not both perp and victim.

I just don't think it's as black and white as that in many cases. The girl who goes out to a party where many people are hooking up, gets stinking drunk, too stupified to say no, and hooks up with a guy who's also drunk is vastly different from the evil predator who preys on women. I saw situations like this happen between friends of mine - I can remember one particular case where a girl was coming off a breakup and got near blackout drunk, then was basically dragged to bed by a friend of hers and she was pretty pissed afterwards. He clearly had feelings for her, went into the night trying to make his move now that she was single, they both got really drunk, and it ended unfortunately, but that's a volatile mix of circumstances where many people aren't at their best (particularly at age 20). Was that sexual assault/rape? By the letter of the law, probably - she was too drunk to consent. Did he deserve to spend the next 10 years or whatever in jail? Hell no. End of the day it was an asshole thing to do, but they both moved on from it and recognized it for the non-world-ending offense that it was.


The number of people who try to romanticize rape out of what it usually is is disturbing.

So do you think my friend should have gone to jail for a few years? I don't think "romanticize" is the right word here either... I don't see anything romantic about what happened there, it was messy and unfortunate and disappointing, left both sides feeling bad.

And just to be clear, my personal view on rape and enforcement is that it's basically impossible to get the laws right. Life isn't always black and white. The example I provided above illustrates a case where I believe the current standards wouldn't work well.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

Question for the other guys out there:

How many of you had an experience in college where a girl was initially pretty unresponsive or even kind of weakly defensive but suddenly really got into it after you made a few moves? I certainly did, and it wasn't a situation where she was blackout drunk. She just ended up in my bed on some pretext (I think her roommate was hooking up with someone, but she had other options besides climbing into a twin bed with a single guy so it seemed pretty clear what her intent was). Her actions after getting in bed left me pretty confused, she was totally unresponsive to kissing and groping but didn't stop me. However, when I did the right thing she was suddenly all over me. I kind of figured out the boundaries through trial and error. On subsequent nights, I kept pushing and they gradually expanded too (lol).

I wasn't some sort of sexual predator, I was just a shy kid. I read the (nonverbal) signals correctly and it worked out, we dated for a few months after that.

While you might think this isn't related to the case, I think it is. The cultural (and maybe biological) necessity for the male to be aggressive and the female to put the brakes on things tends to really effect how these things go. And us males are stupid, we don't read the signs nearly as well as women hope we do. However we do share stories, and a lot of guys encourage their friends to be aggressive too, to make moves. That's when things can go wrong. It's messed up but it's also the reality.

Once you get older though, it all becomes a lot more natural and easier. You understand how to read signals and you learn what boundaries not to cross. Girls are also better at communicating those boundaries once they've had a few experiences themselves.

That's why, when I hear something like this, I think: here's a guy who's gotten the wrong message, but he's young and hasn't figured this whole dating/sex thing out yet. Make sure he knows that what he did is very wrong, punish him, but nothing that will impact his life long term. He deserves the chance to prove whether he's learned from his mistake.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

My only point is that shoot to kill should not be a cops first priority. How many police shootings have we seen in the past 2 or 3 years. Clearly there is a major problem with training that needs to be addressed.

Well the major issue here is that we don't collect good stats on police shootings. So there's no actual answer. Instead what we have is everyone picking out individual events and making huge generalizations based on them. We're a big country and we're armed to the teeth. Police shootings happen. Whether there are too many? That's a very tough question to answer.

And like sexual assault, the media loves hyping these cases because there tends to be a lot of ambiguity. Police are supposed to use force to subdue criminals, and sometimes the use of lethal force is necessary. It's very hard to tell definitively what happened in a lot of cases, so our "beyond a reasonable doubt" system tends to find people innocent. Likewise, people are supposed to have sex, and when one participant comes out crying rape it's unfortunately a he said/she said situation, and again, "beyond a reasonable doubt" means they get off. I'm mostly ok with this because I don't have an expectation that our system is going to be perfect in all situations - these are the situations where there's generally no great answer and I'm happier staying biased towards keeping people out of jail.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

stephon Clark, the 22-year-old black man shot and killed by Sacramento police earlier this month, was shot eight times, at least six in the back, an independent autopsy commissioned by Clark's family found.

Family lawyer Benjamin Crump said the findings of the family's autopsy contradict the narrative put forth by the Sacramento Police Department.

The results were released at a Friday news conference by forensic pathologist Dr. Bennet Omalu, who conducted the autopsy.

The first wound was to Clark's side, which led Omalu to conclude Clark was facing the house when he was first shot. Six other shots hit him from behind and one in the thigh. The Sacramento Police Department has said Clark was shot at 20 times.

He did not deserve to die.

But...

He was wandering around destroying property (damaged several vehicles and police witnessed him shatter a glass door).
He ran when the police confronted him.
He did have an object in his hand (confirmed by the video - they run up to him and the cell phone is on the ground).
We live in a society where it is very easy to have access to guns - and he lived in a area with a lot of violent crime.
Like so many young men, he was raised in a broken home with no father and had a criminal record already. He also had two children with a woman he wasn't married to and had just gotten out of jail a month ago.

This is one of those bad outcomes that occurs from things in our society that are broken. I do not believe it is fair to put it all on the cops.


So if they muted their cameras thought they fucked up and then decided "we need to get our cover story right" you wouldn't care about that?

I would care about that. But I also believe that an officer who is acting in total good faith but has just done something that he realized might get himself put in jail, might want to have an off the record conversation.

The video doesn't really show what happened, except it does clearly show that there was a cell phone under him on the ground, indicating that there was an object in his hand.

It also shows cops who are afraid to approach him after many shots were fired, checking each other to see if they were hit, etc. Acting totally in accordance with how they should act if he had a gun.

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Those trespassing death sentence, in your own backyard no less. You guys really need to review how you train your cops lmao. Why do cop over here not shoot people randomly in their home like this.

Where do you live?
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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

For example, some unpopular opinions I have that I'll never say in public:

1. There probably isn't a rape culture: There's a culture where we let 18 year olds get black out drunk and men are encouraged to be the aggressors in sexual encounters, so bad things happen. But throwing 18 year old men in jail for years at a time for groping someone is not the right answer.

2. 77 cents on the dollar is a nonsense statistic: it doesn't adjust for hours worked, career, flexibility, etc. If you adjust for those things it's more like 98 cents on the dollar, and there's very little evidence of sexism in the workplace. The debate should be about whether it makes sense that women tend to take lower paying jobs with more flexible hours because of their role in childcare.

3. The shooting of black men is a distraction from the real issue. The real issue is lack of access to education and opportunity for blacks that leads to them ending up on the street. Many of the victims of police attacks were criminals who were pulled over/scared officers for a reason. We're asking the police to do too much to fix the problems created by our educational system.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

I'm concerned with how bloodthirsty liberals get over a wrongful shooting by a cop.

To me the crime merits far less of a punishment than a normal person committing the same offense. As part of a cop's job, he's routinely sent into dangerous situations that most of us will never encounter - it's extremely stressful. It's an unfortunate reality that he's more likely to panic and shoot someone that your average joe is.

Obviously, someone who shoots someone illegally while working as a cop needs to be fired immediately, and I think a short jail term is appropriate, but by no means do I think he deserves to be put on trial for murder.

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Templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Spring Valley school officer caught on video slamming South Carolina student to ground during arrest; officer pulled from school
A South Carolina sheriff's deputy has been pulled from the school where he worked as a resource officer after video showed him slamming a student to the ground while classmates watched in horror.
Deputy Ben Fields was caught on camera at Spring Valley High School in Columbia ordering a student out of her seat. The imposing officer, who is a powerlifter in his free time, stands over her desk and tells the student, "either you're coming with me or I'll make you." Without giving her time to get up, he grabs her and flips her over, slamming her, and her desk, onto the ground.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sc-high-school-officer-beats-student-arrest-article-1.2412147

Welcome to the school of hard knocks, where if you don't follow the rules you'll get face-planted.

She wasn't staying it her seat to learn, she was staying in it to be spiteful. This holds up the class from learning and for that I have zero sympathy for her. Was it too much force? No. Better to be quick like this instead of slowly which would give her time to grab hold of objects that make it harder for the officer.

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Tonus #fundie mmo-champion.com

In this case I think the punishment he received is a clear deterrent... his bright future is totally gone, everyone who sees the case is not thinking, hell, I'll only get 6 months and be a sex offender forever, who cares let's do this! So the deterrent threshold is met in my opinion.

The real question is, is he irredeemable? And that's where you have to try to get a sense of who he is, and where being a Stanford swimmer comes into play in my opinion. He doesn't just happen to "swim real good", he had to work extremely hard at it (and academically as well). I think it means he's less likely to be a sociopath - you don't get to swim at Stanford if you're someone who is incapable of following the rules of society.

That's also where the drunken freshman factor comes into play for me. And this is all theorizing, but an elite swimmer with Olympic hopes probably had very strict parents - you don't become a good mid distance swimmer without extreme discipline, so there's a chance he never had a drink before college. Then you get to college and alcohol and women are everywhere.

I was a swimmer in college, I never had a drink before I got there. The first event the team had was in theory supposed to be a "workout", but when we got to the event, there was a keg and alcohol pressed on the freshmen until several threw up. The upperclassmen found it funny (and I did as well the next few years as an upperclassman). So you're a freshman, you're suddenly hammered and have no idea how to handle your liquor, and there's all these hookups happening. And men are taught to initiate these encounters and constantly push the envelope (this is just true; try being a man waiting for a woman to approach you and see how much success you have).

Again, the standard here is reasonable doubt, so I see it as a drunk freshman who's suddenly learning that some women might like having sex with him, but only if he initiates everything. He makes out with a girl who's blackout drunk, and takes things way too far.

I think the punishment is too severe, mostly because I don't see a drunk 18 year old thrust into that culture who did a terrible thing as totally irredeemable. It's also because, as others have said, the majority of the punishment happens outside the 6 month jail term, even ignoring the social media hate that's following him around too.

The registered sex offender and felon status he'll carry with him for the rest of his life means many of the opportunities formerly open to him are closed forever. There's nothing he can do to change his status. As an 18 year old it's illegal for him to go back to his high school and there are large areas where he is prevented from going. Most companies will never hire him due to the "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" screening question. His life is ruined. But people want more.

It's interesting to me that liberals are quick to talk about how laws in this country are so extreme and how we have an incarceration/recidivism problem, but that sex crimes bring out such bloodlust. I'd hope we could be more forgiving generally. And yes, I'd have no problem with a longer jail sentence (say 1-2 years) if the sex offender status was something that could be forgiven over time for a first offender.

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Itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

A new law in Iran that allows men to marry their adopted daughters at the age of 13 has caused major concern that the country's new president is not as progressive as originally thought.

As far as I'm concerned, if you've been through puberty, you're ready for sex. Let's face it, people at that age are going to do it whether they're supposed to or not. The only reason it's illegal is because we decided to make it so, not because there's any legitimate sense behind it. People change physically and mentally through their entire lives, there's no one age where someone is suddenly mature enough to not be taken advantage of. Adults get taken advantage of and played all the time, that doesn't mean they're getting raped.


Cheerleader, Molly Shattuck, Rapes 15-year-old boy, has to spend weekends in jail.

Another fine example of why statutory rape laws are largely bogus, and age of consent in general is a flawed system. In most of these cases the teenager knows exactly what is going on, and loves every second of it either way. And before anyone suggests it since they always do, I would feel the same if the genders were reversed. An adult man hooking up with a teenage girl, an adult woman hooking up with a teenage boy. It makes no difference to me either way, because it should not be a crime at all in my opinion. People that age are going to be having sex anyway, so there is no point punishing their partners over something harmless.


If it were up to me, the first time someone committed a crime, it would be (depending on the crime) however much time in jail or prison, and a fine. If that person later commits the same crime (so any repeat offender of anything) then they would be executed. If the penalty for crime was greater, people would be less likely to do it. The only problem I really see with my idea is with rape. Too often these days is that getting falsely accused, and if the people had sex, there is no way to really prove whether it was or was not forced. As an anti feminist, I would hate a system where if a guy gets unlucky and dates two bitches who accuse him of rape after they break up, he gets executed.

IGEORGETOWN, Texas – A 19-year-old Texas man who could face years in prison for making brownies laced with marijuana and hash oil said Wednesday he remains scared despite new evidence that his attorney believes should reduce the charges.

How amusing that this site is so pro drug. I hope he gets locked up for a very long time (not life) and learns not to be so stupid in the future.

State seizes 11-year-old & arrests mother after he defends medical marijuana
On March 24, cannabis oil activist Shona Banda‘s life was flipped upside-down after her son was taken from her by the State of Kansas. The ordeal started when police and counselors at her 11-year-old son’s school conducted a drug education class. Her son, who had previously lived in Colorado for a period of time, disagreed with some of the anti-pot points that were being made by school officials. “My son says different things like my ‘Mom calls it cannabis and not marijuana.’ He let them know how educated he was on the facts,” said Banda in an exclusive interview... Banda successfully treated her own Crohn’s disease with cannabis oil.

Seems perfectly fair to me, seeing as she proved herself to be an unfit parent. Legal or not, there is no excuse for drugs, much less around a child.
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Underverse #fundie mmo-champion.com

Never was a fan of Cosby, but this reeks of opportunism.

I mean, it's all set up for profit, just look:

1. These girls were under the influence of something during sex.
2. Cosby is rich.
3. All of these events happened a long time ago.
4. The current cultural climate is extremely sympathetic to rape victims.

Literally all these women have to do is claim that they didn't consent to the drug taking, and Cosby becomes a serial rapist, and they all profit. There is essentially no risk for these women to make these claims, because they can't be proven wrong. On the other hand, Cosby is already ruined in both life and legacy.

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Underverse #fundie mmo-champion.com

Trauma is what you make of it, in most cases. In our culture of hyper-victimization, the trauma is many times worse than it would be in a culture that promotes having the strength to simply overcome adversity.

Rape itself - in most cases - is not nearly as traumatic as many, many other crimes. It's basically just sex that you don't want to have. Really, it's far from the worst that can happen to you. But we've made it into something different - something much worse than it actually is. That's the real 'rape culture' - this perpetuation of self-victimization and appeals to authority.

Of course there are many different types of rape. Some are worse than others. Violent, damaging rape is much worse than simple forced penetration. We treat them the same, we treat all of them as though they're the worst thing that could happen. It's insulting to victims of the most destructive rapes, and it's a destructive ideology itself.

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tyrindor #fundie mmo-champion.com

Some people need to remember many 13 year olds nowadays look 18 with the way they dress and do their makeup. I agree with his sentencing to some extent... Yes, 41 and 13 is beyond sick, but hear me out. This happens a lot... young teenagers wanting sex with someone older, more experienced, or just for bragging rights. They egg them on and many men cave under the pressure. Yes, they are adults and should know between right and wrong however everyone has moments of weakness especially when it comes to sex. However, no matter how you put it they simply didn't rape them.

Why is it that someone get the same sentence for:
1) 41 year old flat out raping a 13 year old.
2) 41 year old having sex with a 13 year old that wanted too.

Your talking about 2 totally different animals here. Both should be punished, I fully agree, but no where near the same. The first should be 10+ years in a maximum security prison, the second should be more around 1-2 years in a minimum security correctional facility... and if/when they do it again charge them with some jail time.

As for girls that are 16-17 and totally lie to older men about their age, I feel the guy should get off with a warning at most. They aren't kids, they knew what they were doing. 16-17 is old enough to be charged as an adult so why is it considered a kid when it comes to sex? The law shouldn't be gray like this, either 16-17 is an adult or it isn't.

She's a minor. She can't consent. Its statutory rape.
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How can a minor not consent to something? Do you really think people under 18 have the brains of a new born baby? Even a pet can consent to something. 16-17 year olds are charged as adults for murder, even 15 in some rare cases, yet if you have mutual sex with one you go to jail for statutory rape because "they couldn't consent".

The law is totally wrong here. It contradicts itself. Not to mention legal age is much lower in some other countries, and no one seems to have problems with it there. It was also much lower in America hundreds of years ago. It wasn't uncommon for a 13-14 year old to have kid(s), and raise them. It still isn't uncommon in some countries. Yet.. some people believe nowadays a 13 year old can't even consent to something?


May I remind people that some developed nations such as Japan has the age of consent of 13?

Yeah, and it's still freaking creepy. Unless you are saying you want the age of consent changed in UK, which I think I read you don't, is really a moot point.

The age of consent is pretty high in America. When I was 15 I started dating a 12 year old, and no it wasn't a sexual relationship at that age. It was my first girlfriend ever and we were friends for 2 years before that. Shortly after I turned 16, making our age gap 4 years, but then she'd turn 13 about a month later. No one had any problems with it, not even her parents because they knew I was a good guy.

Then 2 years went by and we were still seeing each other. The day I turned 18 she was 14, turning 15 in a month. A few days after my 18th birthday her parents all a sudden did not approve of the relationship because it was now illegal according to law. We broke up, I haven't seen her in 8 years.. and it still depresses me to this day.

Why does a once legal relationship become illegal simply because we BOTH got older? Not only was she my GF, but she was my best friend. I cared greatly for her, but according to society the relationship was all a sudden wrong over night. After my experience I will never support the current age of consent laws.

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Renedric #fundie mmo-champion.com

You don't get it. She says that if you go that far with someone that will fuck you no matter what, you can't say no. It just won't work and there's not much you can do other than physically push the other person away (which in most cases won't work for obvious physical reasons). Not all men can switch their primal instincts to procreate off at will. You have to have the mental fortitude as a woman to decide whether you'll go that far before you actually do. It is exactly why she's saying drinking equivalently with men is not about "equal rights" it's about avoiding stupid situations where a "no, i've changed my mind" won't make everything go away. Let's face it, when you add alcohol to the equation, all reasons get thrown out the window.

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tyrindor #fundie mmo-champion.com

Teacher who seduced 13-year-old student with saucy yoga selfies facing jail time

I don't really see a problem with this. I'm not sure I can quite put my finger on where the damage is being done. Perhaps by the society that condemns them.

Yup, society seems to have a super-hate against something even if it causes no damage and no one was harmed. This kid wasn't raped. It was mutual and it should be up to the parents to decide if they want to press charges against her or not. Is this kid going to end up on pills in a mental institution because of this? No.

When I was 13 about half my friends had already had oral sex and about half of those had sex. Saying a 13 year old doesn't understand sex is just a complete joke. Even today, 13 year olds are raising entire families in some countries, and even in the earlier days of the USA a 13 year old getting married and having a family was not uncommon.

Society makes sex out to be way bigger deal than it really is, and tends to think kids are dumber than they really are. When a 15 year old kills someone, they are deemed smart enough to be charged as an adult... but when it comes to sex they aren't smart enough to comprehend that. Some real screwed up laws and viewpoints out there in my opinion.

A teenager having mutual safe sex isn't going to change or affect them. I don't view it as rape when it's mutual, I view it as an adult making a bad choice. The parents should be able to press charges and get a restraining order, and she should never be able to teach again, but ruining someone's life over this is a joke.

If someone wants to translate that into pedo supporter, than whatever, just proving how dense some people are when it comes to this topic. Plus by definiton this is ephebophilia, but society will label it as pedophilia. Grouping this women with the same people who rape 2 year olds is not OK. Pedos who act on their desires deserve the death sentence, but this women is not a pedo.

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was waiting for the pedo defense brigade to arrive.

See? Get your definitions right.

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This might be just me, but when I was a 13yo kid, I knew exactly which girl I liked and why I liked her and what I could've done if she liked me too. Regardless of what anyone gave me, told me and so on. If you didn't have a similar experience, that speaks very very bad about you....

I'd imagine kids even younger know fully about sex now. With smart phones and the internet easily accessible everywhere it's not hard. I didn't even have those things as a kid, and I knew about sex well before 13. I knew how to do it, and I knew that consequences of it. I remember when I was 9-10, I had 3 close friends that were girls, and we knew exactly what we could do. We just had no interest in it because it sounded gross.
Much of society is living in this bubble that kids are innocent and know nothing about these things.pb] As a parent, I understand wanting to think that but I am a realistic person. I know my 14 year old is sexually active because they tell mep, and I taught them it's fine as long as they do it safely. I don't make it out to be some super taboo thing because then they don't ask questions, and could end up doing unsafe things.
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Underverse #fundie mmo-champion.com

So, would you bang your 7yo daugher, if she agreed with it? And there were no laws against it?

Probably not, because of genetic relation. But I would allow someone else to, if I grew up with them, knew that they were benevolent, understood their persona, experiences, and personality.

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Sherrimayin #sexist mmo-champion.com

After being charged with two counts of rape for sexually assaulting two of his classmates while they were unconscious, 18-year-old David Becker was sentenced last week to just two years of probation without having to register as a sex offender by a judge in Massachusetts last week.


Honestly we treat rapists quite horribly in the US.

They did something wrong yes, but for most anyone with a criminal record they are met with such disdain that there isn't a 'Pay your debt to society and move on with life.'

It's funny, a lot of Liberals are out for blood against rapists, yet praise the European System with every lick of their words. Forgetting that a lot of European Countries treat rapists, murderers, and thieves with respect and actually rehabilitate.


...Also as far as rape goes this kid did a misdemeanor at BEST. He didn't penetrate them with his dick, it wasn't a violent sexual assault, he stuck his finger in a pussy or two while they were sleeping. I've seen more abuses against guys who end up passed out at a party.

Did you see the video of the guy duck taped to a chair and rolled all throughout the town?

This kid got probation, if anything I bet he'll be more careful with his finger.


I dont know your sex, but if some dude finger blasted you or your wife/kid, you would be cool with it being a slap on the wrist misdemeanor?

I was a victim of sexual assault at a young age.

But I also know our prison system is an abhorrent abuse against human rights. It has become so disgusting with its use of prison labor as a cheap workforce that there's actually financial incentive to lock up people. Check out the Judge who literally locked up thousands of teenagers and was paid kickbacks by the prison system to do so. Great title 'Cash for Kids.'

We don't know all the facts but we can understand the following.

1. The girls were asleep, and woke up to him performing the act.

2. He is not going to their school/university.

3. David was 18, and while that doesn't determine innocence or guilt, it was definitely an act of youth.

Now the frustrating part, to me, is that they published his name. Whether or not he gets his record expunged, that name is up on google and will haunt him eternally.

We need to treat criminality as a disease that can be solved, not as an untreatable character flaw baked into the psyche.


See here's the really funny thing.

If a guy gets drunk and fucks a girl, and she gets pregnant, and wants to keep it. He's on the hook for life. Financially etc.

She has RAPED him of a future.

But that's not illegal, in fact, there's little recourse for him to not be financially screwed.

In fact, this one woman, had sex with a guy when he was 15, they got found out, it later turns out she's pregnant, has a child, and when he's like 21-22, working as a doctor or something, the state wants THOUSANDS of dollars of Child Support. FROM HIM.


That's a future, an entire future of hopes, dreams, soul searching, put on hold because a woman decided to have a child without his consent.

Yet the common knowledge is 'Don't stick your dick in crazy.' or 'It's your fault for getting her pregnant.'

Now I'm not saying that's worse than a woman being raped, I'm just saying, there are equivalent situations and challenges to both sexes. But only in the male scenarios are personal responsibilities looked at.

Let me put it this way, a woman never deserves to be raped or sexually assaulted. Just as a person never deserves to be hit by a car.

Yet if you drink to the point where you put yourself in harms way, like getting wasted and running in front of heavy traffic, regardless of the fault of harm, you still had a part in it.


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LemonPartyFan #fundie mmo-champion.com

Weird for real though. Every time we have a thread about executing murderers for their crimes, I see posts reaffirming us that jail and prison should be about rehabilitation. We also see that idea expressed in prison reform threads, or the thread about the US federal government refusing to use private prisons anymore. And yet we have this case with few details. And the details we do have aren't even that condemning of the guy. He was in bed with some girls that pass out and he fingered them. While wrong, its just not on the same level as the Brock case, or most of the other cases of someone preying on passed out people. Or violently attacking them and breaking into their homes. Or even drugging them or using weapons.

And yet, here we have people demanding he go to prison for 20 years, demanding he be castrated, demanding this and that. While I think 2 years probation is very light, its hypocritical of the aforementioned idea that we should be rehabilitating, instead of punishing people. Its also telling that the victims don;t think he should go to jail.

I'd also like to clarify, its sort of dishonest to compare this case directly to other recent ones. The person "slipping" into a vagina is ridiculous, and a poor, dishonest comparison. While you can say by law, he raped them, or that, by law that one poster that continued having sex with his wife right after she passed technically raped his wife.... I just don't think the alleged victims would really agree with you.

Also, people keep asking "what if a guy fingered your butt while you were asleep?" .. well, if I were a homosexual man, interested in said other man, and we were flirting all night and I happened to pass out as things were getting good.. and butt fingering was something I would normally be into... I just wouldn't care that much. In reality I have passed out drunk (for minutes at a time) and my girlfriend didn't stop, and just woke up me up by shaking me. To you people this might be rape and according to you, she might belong in prison... but I just don't see it that way.

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Oxymoronic #sexist mmo-champion.com

quit trying to equate this to a forced rape of the vagina with a dick or other foreign object. this is pathetic play and to call it rape, what a fucking slap in the face to people that have really been thru rape. you dont want you little pussy played with, dont fall asleep drunk. as much their fault as his. there i said it, since nobody else has the balls.

oh and if this was my daughter i would be thankful she wasnt raped and this probably taught her a valuable lesson in life. win win situation if you know how to live life correctly and learn from your mistakes.

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Undervers #sexist mmo-champion.com

[On a man fingering unconscious girls]


Yeah, he should probably go to jail for a few months or be fined heavily. But his actions are not critically destructive, and it would be injustice for his life to be ruined. He didn't kill anyone. He poked a couple of vaginas. The fact that he was charged with rape is already a stretch, as much as I am personally disgusted by his archetype.

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Ol Scratch #sexist mmo-champion.com

. It's no different than leaving your car running and the door wide open when you run in to a store to buy something and then having your car stolen. It's no different than walking down the streets of a bad part of town flapping about a huge stack of cash in both hands and then getting mugged. etc.

Does this excuse having your car stolen or you being mugged? Nope. Do you deserve so much as an ounce of sympathy for having your car stolen or being mugged? Nope.

Same thing applies to women who go around dressing and acting slutty. If they end up getting raped, it's not going to be a surprise to anyone, and they are partially to blame. Does that mean the rape is any less serious or should be any less punished? Nope. Does she deserve much sympathy for setting herself up to be victimized by anyone outside her immediate circle? Nope.
You're not free to do anything you want, and being a fucking cocktease to everyone you meet is just as bad as leaving your car running when you go into a store or flash your cash in a dark alley in the bad part of town.

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wowaccounttom #fundie mmo-champion.com

[on a teen molesting his prepubescent siblings,]

yeah.... but were they all girls???? if so, then its okay...

the guy was a minor back then as well.... in a house filled with girls, it was bound to happen...

kids explore their sexuality all the time... or they used to anyways... you know.. before technology locked every single kid in their own rooms as they chat, tweet, and play games from phones, pcs, etc...

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Wowaccounttom #fundie mmo-champion.com

[ on adults dating 12 yesr old children ]
If I could, I would date someone under aged but she would have to be one extremely cute loli or some hot teenage girl, again, what a person is exposed to determines acceptance of things, some of us, are just more ahead than others. Think many years ago how gays, blacks, and interracial dating were accepted compared to now, quite sure back then people thought it was never going to get to the disgusting level that is at now.

[ A 22-year-old Colombian model sentenced to death in China for drug smuggling ]

sounds a bit extreme, but the concept of severely punishing drug mules or w.e sounds about right...

if the woman was framed.. well.. too bad..

if she is guilty... well.... ha hah hahahahaha

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About as many as the lives without her smuggling the drug. Drug use will exist whether or not there are bans on it. Drug bans are silly.

so.... is that like a "drug user and proud" statement?

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Opinion on weed? ]

habits are bad.. dislike illegal drug use -- while some places have decided to make money off of the "smartness" of people, even if it becomes legal everywhere, to me, it will always be an "illegal" drug.


dislike any and all pot smoking hippies

like... be productive... pick up a book, go volunteer time, watch some Anime or Hentai...ffs

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Itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

[on the age of consent]

If anything it's too high most places, given that a good chunk of teenagers have sex well before they've reached the age of consent. Most adults are stupid too so the stupidity of teenagers shouldn't be used as the barometer. As far as I'm concerned, if you're old enough to experience physical arousal, you're old enough to have sex. It'd be safer to give younger people protection and other advise, rather than the risks they'll take while sneaking around.

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ForLoveOfMe #sexist mmo-champion.com

Ofc. If you are ugly you are creep regardless what you do. You cross eyesight, omfg you are a creep staring at them. Need consent to say hi!

If you are good looking you can "rape" them anytime! That's modern feminism logic 101. Heck they might even found out they are into rape and S&M, I mean 50 Shades of Gray was popular for a reason...

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Underverse #fundie mmo-champion.com

@paperplates

I think my girlfriend was abused as a child.


So last night I was talking to my girlfriend and she was talking about her ex boyfriends. She had mentioned that she only had two before me, one was five years older and one was three. She then mentioned her she had her first boyfriend at thirteen and I made a joke saying I hope it wasn't the guy who was five years older than you then. Which she replied yes..... So she was 13 and he was 18. I lost it.
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To me that is fucked up. No right minded 18 year old should be in a relationship with a 13 year old. To put in perspective, that is a college student with 7th/8th grader.

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Now the hard part. My girlfriend is now defending this guy. She says he is normal, a nice guy, they were more "friends", there is no way he would have been with another girl like that and that they still keep contact with each other. To me that sounds like the typical manipulative behavior of someone who is a sex offender. To me if feels like she is in denial over the whole thing, while displaying other traits that abuse survivors show such as having zero trust in relationships (she is unbelievably jealous of other girls and constantly thinks I am cheating on her), her self-confidence is non-existent (she is stunningly beautiful but thinks she is ugly and fat at a size 4), she has really bad anxiety and cannot face any sort of confrontation without going silent or trying to redirect the conversation.

@maruh

well, the first thing which comes to my mind is: I had a girlfriend who was 14 when I was 18. I also had no sex with her..but kissing and stuff was on, like the things she / you described. I was just late in my development, nothing of pedophilia there. Later on, with 15, my gf was pregnant...luckily the father wasnt me (since we hadnt had sex anyway) so that was that...^^


@"The flowering Sunset"

People like you, actually do the most harm in cases like this, by badgering and bullying someone into believing they were abused.

Every study has shown that the damage is caused not by the contact, but by the ensuing chorus of people demanding that the child believe they were abused and to act like they were abused for the amusement of the child's supposed rescuers.

In closing, if you are cared about her, you would end the relationship as you don't have the ability to understand the situation and are too brainwashed by society to accept the fact that 13 year old girls find older men attractive.

We create the problem. here is no reason or evidence to suggest that sexual contact - something inherently beneficial that we've evolved with for millions of years - is inherently bad because it occurs between two people of significantly different ages. Hell, bonobo mothers rub clits with their toddlers - you don't see them being scarred for life, utterly mentally destroyed. It's the echo chamber that forces victimization onto these people that really does the damage, making them into pariahs and removing their agency.

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underverse #fundie mmo-champion.com

f an underage girl pursued an older male and she initiated sex with him and they both consented, enjoyed it, and she was not traumatized by the experience, then is it still wrong, is anyone really hurt, or is there even a victim at all? The same for an underage male pursuing an older female?

On topic, no there's no damage caused. There's no victim. We just have religious/puritan roots and tolerate sexual interactions to only the most necessary degree.

Can't consent according to the law of most civilized countries.

The difference is that 2 16 year olds have a pretty similar power balance, whereas a 16 and a 21 year old have a completely different one.

Power imbalance is inherent to the vast majority of relationships and is actually a good thing in most cases. It increases the risk of abuse, but it also increases the reward for the weaker party as they are able to obtain extensive resources and knowledge through their power imbalance relationship.

When you consider things like attraction, though, power imbalances generally disappear.

the law dictates that kids are complete absolute 100% dumb fucks.

Kids are deemed so stupidly retarded they cant even answer a simple question 'yes or no' regarding sex


Oh but they can. They can consent to sexual activities with other people their age who are, apparently, just as clueless as they are. An then people wonder why teenage pregnancy and STDs are so prevalent.

If anything, age differences in relationships are safety nets.

Besides if any adult decides to mess with my Daughters, regardless of who initiated the contact, they better invest in some soap on a rope. I'll make damn sure that fucker ends up behind bars.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but the parallels with fathers who would say the same thing about a black man 'messing with their daughters' not too long ago are pretty overt.

ut the man opens himself up to a world of hurt should the girl regret her decision, and the law is in place to just give a clear-cut line where it's not any use in saying "but he/she wanted it too!" for the adult. It's to stop adults from taking advantage of young people.

I never understood this argument. When I was younger, I was in a relationship with someone 7 years older than me, for 2 years. I had basically all of the power in that relationship, for a few reasons: one, I could leave whenever I wanted to, and as the object of desire my basis for remaining in the relationship did not involve attraction, but rather behaviors and stability. Two, our culture hates it when older people are in relationships with younger people for some shitty reason, so if anything went wrong I would have the full support of everyone around me. In short, I couldn't be in the wrong, and that gave me a significant amount of power.

If anything, it's the younger person that's taking advantage of the older one. The older one gets some eye candy and maybe fulfills their desire to provide and protect, while resources and knowledge are transferred to the younger one.

The damage people experience as a result of such relationships is largely an outcome of societal condemnation. If you remove a minor's agency and condemn their behaviors - even if they are not responsible for it - you will damage how they view themselves and relationships. That's right - WE are responsible more than the 'perpetrator' of the act for the damage caused by these relationships (in most cases, not all). The only reason I have a solid mental state and positive image of myself and relationships after coming out of that relationship is that I don't give a single fuck about what other people think. I used to, but not anymore after I realized how destructive other people can be just with their opinions, and especially to an underdeveloped mind as my own was when I had to think about these kinds of things at 15.

I want to reduce damage. I also want people to be able to acquire resources and stability if they so choose. Living in a society that condemns relationships with large age differentials and illegalizes them in some cases does neither.

I was in a sexual mentoring relationship with someone significantly older then me. It worked well for me, gave me an edge over my peers, and is party responsible for my success. I'm still good friends with the guy, and though I am not interested in a sexual relationship with him any more he still provides me with guidance. I would not have been able to obtain all of the knowledge and resources I did without the relationship being sexual; it wouldn't have been worth it for him, and I didn't mind/enjoyed it after a few times.

Instant happy, just add pedophilia!

Award for discovering new horizons of creepy-crazy

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underverse #fundie mmo-champion.com

That being said, pedophilia is still something that should be legalized. Bonobo mothers use it to calm their children when they're getting out of hand (unlike we humans, who use violence). Human morphology suggests a greater extent of this behavior due to our lowered sexual dimorphism and neotenous traits. If it's approached from a parenting practice and contrasted against the violent tactics we use now, I think it could gain acceptance, and rightly so. People have failed to divorce destructive pedophilia from benevolent pedophilia for too long. It's like conflating sex and rape. The logic is there, people just need to take a moment to consider it.

I am arguing that sexual interactions between adults and children should be acceptable under the premise that they are not inherently harmful interactions and indeed are likely to be less destructive than, for example, using violence to control children when they get out of hand.


Let me ask you. What is your end goal?

The goal is to shift people away from the chimpanzee-like violence-as-a-means-to-everything mindset that we've cultured over the last 15,000 years+, and towards the bonobo-like let's-just-love mindset. A lot of our problems, as a society, come from weak social support networks. Increasing pair bonding via sex will strengthen those networks, and in turn we will see a decline in violence and violent crime, bigotry, hatred, and a vast landscape of actually destructive behaviors.

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underverse, broods #fundie mmo-champion.com

Drug for pedophiles to be tested in Swedish trial
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/swedish-trial-examine-drug-men-pedophilic-impulses


Underverse: "This is a testosterone lowering drug. You're not just reducing pedophilic behavior. You're reducing sex drive across the board. This is parallel to chemical castration. Immoral, borderline depraved.

If someone actively agrees to it, it's hardly immoral.

Consent does not determine morality, especially considering that individuals often lack complete information or can be indoctrinated to perceive information in a certain way. For example; if someone consents to be sacrificed to the gods the that they will bring the rain, that individual's slaying is still immoral.

Why is chemical castration immoral?The pedophile deserves no sympathy. When you sympathize, you get people who want to protect and even enable pedophiles.

Do you not see how disgustingly immoral this is? What you're advocating for is something worse than a witch hunt. There is zero evidence to suggest that sexual interactions between older and younger individuals are inherently harmful. In fact, there are logical arguments to suggest the opposite. So without evidence that this activity is inherently destructive, you want to go around killing people simply because you disagree with them. That is the worst kind of vigilante justice; it's barbaric and unfounded.

You are the racist of the new generation. "

Broods:"This is a god damn OUTRAGE.

It's almost impossible to get testosterone replacement therapy in Sweden and there is very little research done in regards to the effects of testosterone yet the hormone is integral to the well being of men and low Testosterone levels and hypergonadism has shown to adversely effect the quality of life and mental well being in men. I surely hope if this catches on it will be on a strictly voluntary basis and never offered as a part of a plea deal to get a lesser sentence.
Maybe they should offer this to homosexuals too? If you say homosexuals are born that way then you are obligated to extend the same courtesy to pedophiles.

This reeks of chemical neutering. The very notion is repulsive to me. What's the next step? Chemically neutering homosexuals or any man that is perceived to be too aggressive?

Statistics show that between one in 20, and one in 35 men are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Due to the high rate of the figure, researchers believed it could be as a result of orientation in the same way as homosexuality or heterosexuality
The very notion is repulsive to me and it sets a scary precedent. Testosterone is what makes men in to men.

Then again if these pedos volunteer for it i'm not going to try and stop them i'm just scared it will become a thing when they see how effective it is. As soon as a man "acts out" or is too aggressive or have a too high libido they will try to get him on a hormone treatment to make him in to a prepubescent boy.

Is it effective? Sure, ask any bodybuilder who has ever been on a supra physiological dose of testosterone what happens when he goes of the drug. No libido, no sex drive. This is something bodybuilders try to avoid which is why they take other drugs to combat the shut down and help their natural test production. Living with low testosterone levels is a nightmare and have very adverse physical and psychological effects.

Not that there is any research being done on male hormones these days because testosterone = bad. Makes men aggressive and sexual.

I'm sure the feminists of this world would be overjoyed if they could control men in this way. Just read some of the articles where they say how "testosterone makes men aggressive, lowers empathy (lol what?) and heightens libido. Like it's some kind of disease they need to cure.

Sure why not, they do their time in prison then go out and rape some more. If catration could make it so they dont feel the need to go rape someone, what harm would it do? other then to the filthy rapists ofc. The world would be a better place with less rapists out there no?

so pretty much anyone convicted of rape then? A 17 year old who has drunken sex with his girlfriend who later claims he raped her. Lets say that he technically did rape her as there wasn't any consent but the circumstances were so that the man could feasibly have inferred consent. Should he get castrated too?
What about if a husband forces himself on his wife? Immediate castration?

I'm starting to think many of you guys would have been very happy to live in a benevolent totalitarian police state. Scary thought

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broods #sexist mmo-champion.com


https://www.thelocal.se/20180302/swedish-assault-case-thrown-out-because-man-seemed-to-come-from-a-good-family
A Swedish court ruled that a woman's assault claim against her husband was not credible because, among other things, he "seemed to come from a good family, unlike hers".

In February Solna District Court judged that the Stockholm-based man should be acquitted of an alleged assault against his girlfriend from 2015 because his guilt could not be proven. The woman claimed that he assaulted her by for example pushing her into a chair, striking her and pulling her hair, which the man denied.

P*ssu Pass: DENIED. LOL

They are angry because the court ruled against a woman.

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Wowaccounttom #fundie mmo-champion.com

If they said no, no is no. That is all there is to that. It doesn't matter if it's enjoyed because it's completely biological.

Saying no is most likely rather pointless if the girl is moaning or showing physical signs of enjoyment. The campus offers escorts at night for anyone and during the day it is just a matter of either being with other people or making sure you are in a rather public place (even if it means taking an extra 5-10-15 minutes to get to class)...

Some women are to be partially blamed for this. They know the area, they know what happens, and yet they choose to dress up in provocative outfits..

I also wonder what the % of hispanic people that got raped are... based on a paper I read a while ago, hispanic women tend to keep such matters private even if it occurs to them several times.

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Wowaccounttom #fundie mmo-champion.com

of course victims are to blame to.

for the person with the intent to rape, there has to be a rapee.

this said rapee either:

knowns the rapist and has aroused him/her by acting/talking flirtatious or wearing provocative outfits
doesn't know the rapist and put himself/herself in a stupid situation (i.e: drunk at a party, accepted a beverage from a stranger, walked alone in a dangerous place)
and a few others but i got bored of typing

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Hyve #fundie mmo-champion.com

While I do feel it's wrong to have arranged marriages, especially with a 14 year old girl, it is part of their culture, been around for thousands of years and who are we to judge one culture, to make comparisons?

Naturally, almost all species (Including our own) have a system where as soon as the females are able to breed, they're turned into a broodmare. I don't agree with it, and I wouldn't pretend it's acceptable because we used to do it, but it is their culture, it's their way of life and it isn't our place to condemn their practices, although we can disagree with it.

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Puupi #fundie mmo-champion.com

Being forced to take the trash out or being forced to do your homework are a little different to being forced to marry (potentially for life) a man you do not wish to marry, to have sex with him as and when he desires (as is the case in their culture), bear his children without a say in the matter, and risk your life in doing so.

You have to see there is a bit of a difference in those things. Even the most serious things you are forced to do in the west (like... you are forced (pretty much) to go to a particular school by your parents) are really nothing compared to that. Also, in the west you have a lot more legal protection for the extreme things you don't want to do. You have places you can call (child abuse places like Childline) if the things you are being forced to do are too extreme.

I was forced to go to the military (like every man in my country), I was forced to serve my country with my life (literally).

I don't think those are small things. I would do them without being forced, too. But that doesn't change they are being forced upon me.

I really have hard time understanding the demonizing of sex. Everyone WANTS to have sex in their life, it's the best thing in the world.

Now when sex is forced it becomes the WORST AND MOST ATROCIOUS THING IN THE WORLD.

How the fuck does that kind of switch happen.

Not all sexual experiences for all involved parties are pleasurable.

Would you look forward to sex if you were unlikely to orgasm because your partner wasn't interested in your pleasure, or even your comfort? If it was a painful experience for you because you aren't aroused by your partner, would you look forward to doing that again?

Obviously I would not enjoy it and wouldn't look forward to doing that again. But people do other discomforting things, too, because it's part of life and needs to be done. Like work.

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Puupi #fundie mmo-champion.com

[ on a 14 year old child being forced to marry an 35 year old adult]

To put things in perspective - arranged marriages are worldwide the standard compared to the "free marriage" we nowadays have in western countries.
At least the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, whole Africa have arranged marriages. That's more than half of the world population already.

Even in Finland you don't need to look far back in time when arranged marriages were the standard. That was the thing not longer than about 100 years ago. Marriages were arranged, we still have a remnant of that tradition where the bride's father pays for the costs of weddings.

And when we look at the age of the brides - in Finland (evangelic lutheran church) kids get Confirmation (I hope you know the meaning) at the age of 14 to 15. When you are "Confirmed" you are legally ready for being wedded. 100 years ago it was a standard that marriages were arranged and men married 14-16 year old girls.

That's completely normal.

PS. I vouch for arranged marriages, those marriages statistically work a lot better than these modern "free marriages". A lot less divorcing and happier couples. Your family has a lot better judgment in choosing a partner for you than what you have in 3 promille drunk state at some random bar at 4am in Saturday night. That's where most of relationships start, and it's not a good start for a relationship.

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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Perhaps a 14 year old girl who for whatever silly reasons feels as if she was raped, and is facing a lifetime of more rape, and is probably going to be expected to bear the children of whom she feels is her rapist, which could very possibly kill her? Do you not acknowledge any remote possibility that this girl felt she had been raped? Growing up in a culture that condones rape doesn't make the rape victim feel any less raped, it just allows the rapist to escape culpability.

Refusing to put out for your Husband is not rape in their country so you cannot call it rape. Marital rape has only been a crime in the West for what only 30-40 years? Again with the double standards and the righteousness...

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Violent #fundie mmo-champion.com


This Nigerian girl of 14, after being forced to marry a 35 year old man, cooks a celebratory dinner for him and some buddies. Laces the whole thing with rat poison, and kills a few of his buddies while others present are just taken to the hospital and released.

If you don't like arranged marriages, stop them all. Write to your leaders to go over and put an end & nullify all arranged marriages.

No? But you want to spew on about "freedom of choice".. Yet you don't seem to realize, this isn't the act of 1 crazy man and a bunch of his friends out on the town looking for some 14 yearold girl to rape.
This is a CULTURE who has been practicing arranged marriages, longer than the USA has been a country.

Who are ANY of you to say that it isn't "the right way" to do things? Let me guess, because you believe you're doing it the "right way"? Guess what! People from that culture don't believe YOU are doing it right.. What now?

I bet you think we should just leave people alone now, huh? Yeah.. me too.

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Junpei #fundie mmo-champion.com

Gratian, the man who founded Canon law placed the age of consent at 7, marriage at 12. His view on law affected the entirety of Europe and later America. The UK had an age of consent as 10 until 1875. It was considered absolutely normal and socio-economic reasons are part of it, which you attempt to contradict. Another part of it was the Church, Papal law didn't have an age of consent, only an age at which sanctity of marriage could be announced, and that was age 12. This was due to the belief that Mary was 12 or 13 when she gave birth to Jesus.

The mother of Henry the 7th was 9 at her first marriage, 12 when she gave birth to Henry (as part of her 2nd marriage).

Your point about the danger and lack of medical science is the opposite of what was going on. It was necessitated that girls had children as young as possible due to life expectancy and infant mortality rates, the younger you started the more likely you were to succeed in the long term. The majority of upper class children were born to mothers between 13 and 18, this being due to political pressures of producing heirs.

The idea that young mothers is a bad thing is a fairly recent moral construct maybe within the last 100-150 years, which is hilarious considering that precocious puberty is on the rise, we are trying to have children later and our bodies are adapting to have them earlier.

History completely disagrees with you, as far it is concerned young mothers were a good thing until we decided as a society that it wasn't.

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sliske , blackblade,puck #fundie mmo-champion.com


Judge grants convicted pedophile ex-husband sole custody of his daughter

Feel free to question why this Judge is still in the job
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments
http://kfor.com/2013/06/25/convicted...-old-daughter/
http://www.klewtv.com/news/national/...?tab=video&c=y

Ms Coomer pointed out that because Elizondo is a registered sex offender, he will be unable to carry out many parental duties
'He can`t take her to Chuck E. Cheese. He can`t take her to a park,' she said. 'He can`t go to her school. He`s not allowed in school.'

The thought of this child being stuck in the house with him is truly frightening. But it does beg the question how bad is the mother?? the article sort of eludes to the reason why the judge awarded the father sole custody but their HAS TO BE more to the story.to the reason why the judge awarded the father sole custody but their HAS TO BE more to the story.

(sliske)

Well if you look at it logically then any gay brother you have or even any straight sister mum or dad could be frightening too. I'm a straight guy who likes older women, i don't think my mum feels in danger of me suddenly raping her or even hinting that i fancy her for multiple reasons

1. I don't
2. Pedophile / Bisexual / Homosexual / Whateversexual doesn't equal automatic incest condoning.

Not to be a pedophile sympathizer but at the end of the day they're just people who are attracted to a certain thing purely because of the way their body developed. They shouldn't be treated as incestious just for that reason alone.

Edit: of course if you do the actual act of having sex with a minor its still a pretty horrible thing, but being a pedophile in itself shouldn't automatically make you a lesser human being in regards to your children.

There's a pretty big difference there. He was convicted of molesting a 6 year old, he specifically targeted a helpless victim. If your gay brother was raping men, you bet your ass you'd be afraid of him.

I wouldn't. I don't assume rapist = incest condoning
What i'm saying is just because he molested someone, doesn't mean his standards are completely gone. For example i rape Cheryl Cole, that doesn't mean i'm going to go and rape an old man too.
And I think it's a far cry more likely that a person who molests a child is likely to do so again even if the child is related to them.

I wasn't wieghing it i was just using it as an example in itself. But thats not the point. The guy on the previous page said it better than i could. I'm terrible at explaining my point. In a nut shell i don't believe that being a child molester makes you have no bounderies. I believe even a rapist has standards or even a child molester has standards. I don't believe he would do that to his family


(blackblade)
Even criminals have rights, people.

Yeah, he's done some terrible shit. That doesn't give you the right to shit on him, nor deny him his family. If he was dangerous, he'd still be in jail.

This is simply a trick by the media to generate hits. Unless he's had a history of molesting his own children, it's a non-issue.

(puck)
I don't see the problem. Pedophile does not mean he would be prone to a relationship with his own daughter

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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

NO. Absolutely NOT. There's something creepy and disturbing about this. I have no issues with single woman adopting children but something about a single man at home with a child alone just screams molestation to me. What if pedos use this to groom kids?


I think it's really weird when you adopt a child as a single. You wanna give that child a mother and a father, not just a father or mother.

And who wants to volunteer for single parenthood, lol?

Odd.
What about two dads? Or two mums? Are you a bigot?

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Skelington #fundie mmo-champion.com

Children being hurt from pedophilia is a social construct. The act itself is inherently harmless. The victimization idea to not let anyone or anything touch you and that those that do are horrible people is something forced into children from a very young age. Couple that with a child molester being aware that what they are doing is illegal and that they are committing one of the most moral atrocities imaginable, and you have a kid more than likely being forced into the acts and threatened into secrecy. Those are what cause the damage.

And forcing counseling on pedophiles or any fetish bearer is little different from forcing counseling on a homosexual to not have sex with their own sex.

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Tyrindor #fundie mmo-champion.com

I don't agree with it, but I also don't agree that 12 year old is a child. Today's society has just made them children. They are perfectly capable of making adult choices, and know the difference between right and wrong. Today's society babys "kids" like no other.

Hundreds of years ago, many married, had jobs, and had kids at 12 years old. In some third world countries this still is normal. I get fed up when some 20 year old goes to jail because he had mutual sex with some 15 year old. They both are to blame, and if it was mutual they should either be left alone or both given equal blame.

24 and 12 is a bit much though, but I still don't think 12 is a child. As history has proven, a 12 year old is perfectly capable of having a family but it shouldn't be with a 24 year old. If it was 16 and 12? I'd say leave them alone and make sure their having safe sex.

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Mrbleedinggums #fundie mmo-champion.com

Oh look, another thread where people can claim moral superiority while boasting their ignorance of various words and their proper definitions, as well as the history of humankind, all the while trying to coerce their views onto others. If this was asked 100-150 years ago, people would be fine with it. With the way we've been conditioned now, everything is considered wrong or taboo regardless of what it is.

(and before anyone wants to spout "its X years ago it doesnt count anymore" you might want to look at many of the viewpoints and legislatures that say otherwise. People and their stance on homosexuality for example use their "moral standard" on something over 2000 years old.)

Regardless of who thinks what, its something that should be kept between the two of them and anyone DIRECTLY involved. They are obviously stating that they are willing to wait until its legal to get together without any repercussions so why do people still have a problem? Because you've been conditioned by the current society to shun something that was accepted by your great/great-great grandparents? Crab in a barrel, that's all humans are; "If I'm not happy i sure as hell don't want anyone else to be!"

Btw:

Pedophilia - 5-9
Hebephilia - 10-14
Ephebophilia - 15-19

Since she's reached puberty, it's no longer pedophilia. If you want to make a stance against it, that's cool, but please enlighten yourselves and try to act a bit more intelligent in your choice of words to correctly use.

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Wowaccounttom #fundie mmo-champion.com

It comes down to culture and such. Due to certain things, that shall remain unnamed, Asian culture is exposed to relationships with young people, both the adult and young are becoming more used to this and thus see nothing wrong with it.

I don't think she is cute, good looking or anything.. not hideous either, but certainly she doesn't tickle my fancy.

If I could, I would date someone under aged but she would have to be one extremely cute loli or some hot teenage girl, again, what a person is exposed to determines acceptance of things, some of us, are just more ahead than others. Think many years ago how gays, blacks, and interracial dating were accepted compared to now, quite sure back then people thought it was never going to get to the disgusting level that is at now.

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Skellington #fundie mmo-champion.com

The problem is, because he's been around her since she was so young, who knows if the love is mutual? The guy met her when she was 8 (he would have been 20)...does that seem healthy?

People like to talk about "well, 12 year-olds were married and having children in the past" but they seem to forget that you'd more than likely be dead by 30.

Let children be children... Don't rope them into this sort of thing until they're ready.
So they knew each other for a while before they declared their love?


Doesn't sound like a problem. If she is consenting then it seems like she believes she's ready.

You dont think a 20+ can manipulate a 8-12 year old especially after a long time to make her think she "love" him. Im pretty sure a 12 year old dont know what real love is. Go away lolli lover.

You don't think a 12 year old is capable of any form of a basic thought process? Go away with your closed mindedness.

Do you believe that a 12 year old should be able to vote, carry a fire arm, and be tried as an adult for their crimes?

Children are extremely easy to influence.
No, but to think that 12 year olds can't think for themselves because they're 12 and not 18 is pretty silly.

She may be young, but setting standards based on age becomes incredibly superficial, especially now that she's already reached puberty. Humans may have died young in the past, but the fact remains that people were indeed ready for(or at least in) relationships at this age. Everyone matures differently. The problem now is that being 12 is a social stigma.


As of now the two claim that it's a mutual love. She may very well have a change of heart as she grows older, but who knows? It's only an assumption that he is an manipulative pedophilian rapist grounded in people that believe this sort of age difference is a taboo beyond murder. Like that guy a page or two ago saying that finding him a monster and that this relationship is an atrocity are "basic moral values" or whatever

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Ripslyme #fundie mmo-champion.com

[Adult datea a 12 year old]

Welcome to the WORLD little US Boi. Whats not ok for you can be ok for somebody else. Hes waiting and she probably hit Puberty already so it doesnt even make him a Pedophile like what you People call it. Nobody realy says anything when a 70year old marrys a 18year old but when its under 14 they all go "Oh my god this is so disgusting" bla bla .. If you can bear children you are ready thats the way Nature works

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Onesent #fundie mmo-champion.com

Meh, by the age of 12, I was already jacking-off at least once a day. And I'm sure most girls have had their first period by then. At that point, I think it's safe to say that age is just a number.

A 12 year old dating someone twice her age isn't as big a deal as some might make it out to be. He's not even really old enough to be her dad, although I'm sure it's possible. Way back in the early days, you were married by 13 and had kids by 16. People didn't live very long back then, so you didn't have time to waste.

This situation might not be "socially acceptable", but who gives a shit about that? If she were 18 and he were 36, this wouldn't even be news.

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Itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

Are you implying people don't change after 18? I hope that's a joke. People change physically and mentally throughout their entire lives. There's no magic number for when you're suddenly mature and ready for sex or relationships. Most 30 year olds, or even 25 year olds, would think the typical 18 year old is an idiot. Conversely, I know adults who are less mature than their kids. The only reason most of us are frowning on this is because it's burned into our heads that if anybody above 18 is with anybody below 18, it's creepy, but anything else is good to go. Legality is the only thing stopping a lot of men from 20 to 30 from dating teenagers. Girls like older men with a more rugged look, and a lot of guys like younger girls with a fresh, unused, slender rather than curvy look. If laws weren't a factor, the only thing people would deem creepy would be being interested in prepubescents. That's downright disturbing. I voted I don't know what to say, because 12 is right on the edge of that prepubescent line. Some look as good as any 16 year old, and could be mistaken for one if they fake themselves out in makeup and whatnot, but others look about 7.

Most males are actually "hebephiles". Males are programmed to be attracted (well, physically attracted either way) to females in mid puberty (the difference today is that people reach puberty earlier). The reason most don't act on it or even admit it is laws.

Fixed. I guarantee, if it was legal, there would be a lot more men dating young teenagers
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Metzindown #sexist mmo-champion.com

For those who don't remember: The universe is made up of life feeding on life in order to survive. The universe also made a mechanism to determine when a female is able to breed, which is puberty, or the first period for those of you with lesser brains. As far back as humanity had existed we have bred at the age of puberty, which is natural. The social construct which all of you sheep are conditioned to believe as the magical "age of consent" Is a farcical notion that has been put in place to curb the amount of breeding humans do to prevent over population of the planet. It has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with resources. Open your eyes and stop being led by the nose. If one human of mature age (aka puberty) consents to a sexual interaction with another human being of mature age (puberty again) then who are you and to judge them? Inb4 some nutless wonder says "but teens can be manipulated!" An adult man or woman both can be manipulated into sex, it happens every day, especially at bars. so shut the fuck up and accept nature you lemming half wit humans.

Yes and back then men would just "mate" with any female they laid eyes on as well. They also use to crush eachothers skulls with clubs over mates, territory, food, and other shit.

And what exactly does this matter to my argument? People, especially men, still fight over mates. The only difference is that we have a society that it currently on a peak. Take away the electric, coal, gas powered economy and watch as your so called "civilized society" falls right back to instinct. Survival of the fittest. Your life and view point are born of conviniance but take a look at the animal kingdom, that is truly what life is about. Tell me that if your wife, husband, son or daughter was needing food, that you wouldn't kill another human to insure their survival. You are blind because you want to be. This universe is made of suffering, pain and surviving at any cost. Even the planets siphon life from their sun's, the plants the sun, the animals the plants, the animals the animals. Life HAS to consume life in order to live in this universe. So my point still stands, this world and this universe doesn't operate on your morality, it just that humans morality keeps society stable, that is until it over reaches due to emotional issues, such as "I don't want my daughter having sex!" But it's ok if your son has sex before the magical age of consent.
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Templar 331 #sexist mmo-champion.com

If you pass out - say, you are sunbathing on the beach and fall asleep - and I see you are unconscious, and rape you - you accept that it was irresponsible of you to fall asleep?

Blacking out drunk isn't the same as sleeping on the beach, unless you are a REAL deep sleeper. In which case I don't think you should be sleeping on the beach. :/

Do your coworkers have the right to run a train on your unconscious body?

I work with several guys that would do that when I'm conscious. >.> To be fair it would be, I hope, an accident.

Or does it only apply to alcohol?

We have a WINNER!!!

You knowingly put a substance into your body that has a side effect of making you unresponsive for long periods of time while in a place surrounded by people you don't know who are also imbibing the same substance.

If so, have you ever been very drunk? Where you would have been unable to resist, slurred your speech in your refusal so that it was unclear, or have you ever passed out while drunk?

Nope. You know why? BECAUSE I DON'T FUCKING WANT TO BE RAPED!!!! (even though I'm a guy it can still happen)

I get drowsy after half an ale, so I know it wouldn't take much for me to be out for a while.

Or it seems you're saying drinking alcohol is tantamount to 'consenting' to rape.

What we, or at least I, are saying is that when you put yourself in a situation where you are vulnerable you share part of the responsibility of what happened. It's not your fault that you get raped. No one should be raped, but if it does happen and you helped facilitate it then you should grow up an learn that your habits need to change. Drink with friends, drink at home. Don't got to frat parities or bars and get shit faced by yourself.
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Itisamuh #sexist mmo-champion.com


I often see grown men eyeing up girls school girls. Is this wrong?
So I moved to a new area a while ago and basically it's located nearby a secondary school (high school) so I bump into a lot of children in school uniforms on the morning commute where I can't help but notice adult men checking girls out. There is something wrong with this imo, like the girls where I live wear knee-length skirt and usually don't wear any tights with it so men tend to get an eyeful on the bus/train and 8 times out of 10 you can expect an adult male trying to eye the bottom of a teenage school girl.I think it's disgusting.


So you think people are not supposed to look at attractive members of the opposite sex when they are at their most prime age? Good luck avoiding that. And it is not just adult men and teenage girls. Middle aged women will scream and whistle and throw their panties at good looking teenage male stars.

Sex to me is a lot more than just biology. Just because someone is capable of breeding doesn't mean they're mentally prepared for it. Some may "grow" up faster than others but under 18 is still a child in my eyes. Hell, even 18-19 is still a child in my eyes. Personally I'd make the aoc 21 but the law disagrees. Either way I think its wrong and predatory for older people to go after people at such a young age.

I have the opposite view, that the age of consent should be much lower because people much younger than that are going to be having sex. Why make it illegal for no good reason when they are going to do it anyway? When you try to judge whether someone was mentally ready for it, whether they were seduced or used and so on, you are throwing way too many subjective factors in for it to be decided by an arbitrary cutoff.
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itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

The only reason marriage gives financial benefits is because it's working under the assumption that they're preparing to raise a family. A gay couple can't have kids, and shouldn't be allowed to adopt, so that's out. Those financial benefits are also the only reason, aside from preparing a family, to get married in the first place. So if they were doing that, that's pretty much screwing over all single people. You'd have people, who aren't gay or in a relationship at all, just friends, getting married for those legal benefits. That's not right. It's taking something that's supposed to be meaningful and abusing it for personal gain. Oh, and because homosexuality is an unnatural taboo, and taboos shouldn't be supported or encouraged legally or socially. Standards in general seem to be losing their meaning in today's society.


what?
1) that's not the only reason, if you think it is, i'd like to see some backup. you make the claim, the burden of proof lies on you.
2) why shouldn't gays be allowed to adopt again?
3) straight people DO do that all the time, hell i knew people that would get married just so they could move off-base when they were in the military.
4) how is homosexuality unnatural again?
5) how is it a universal taboo? you're aware that taboos are a culturally distinctive thing, right? every culture has a different s


These threads always seem to get me in trouble, or at least annoyed, so this will probably be my last post. If you respond, I won't see it.

1. Don't spout off the burden of proof crap. I can turn that around and say prove that it's not the only reason. I can tell just by your lingo that you're probably an atheist.

2. They shouldn't be allowed to adopt because it's raising a kid in an improper environment by default. They'll be getting exposed to a lack of standards from the start. Sure, they may be nice people and mean well, but the child won't be receiving the full perspective. Granted, that often happens anyway, but that can't always be controlled. Adoption can be controlled, however. Since you like using scientific lingo, maybe you should check out the snowball effect. That's exactly what will happen if this kind of stuff gets encouraged and accepted more and more.

3. Yes, they do. It's unfortunate, but again, it's not always avoidable. That doesn't mean that we should promote something that's an exploitation literally every single time. Because, until you prove to me what other legitimate reasons there can be for a gay couple getting married, I'm standing by that statement.

4. Look around you. Whether you're religious or not, just look. Basically the entire world shows it. Males and females mate to continue their respective species. They pal around with their own gender, if they pal around at all, but when it comes to mating, they find the other. Sure, there are the occasional defects, but whether it's God's plan or nature's design, males and females were meant to mate. If everyone turned gay, there's the end of our species. That alone should be enough to prove it's wrong. Obviously not everyone will turn gay, but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged as okay. Sometimes standards should be upheld, even if some people don't like them. Not everything should be okay, and the line of what is and isn't shouldn't be so blurred. This has nothing to do with religion, just general principle and common sense. If people are gay regardless of it being unnatural, that's their call. People can be attracted to kids or their own siblings if they want to as well. That doesn't mean it should be supported.

5. In my society, up until this ridiculous social liberal movement, it was a taboo. It still is, in a lot of people's minds, including mine. I really don't care if other cultures agree, the one I live in is the only one that's relevant to me. Besides, as stated above, I'm basing my views off of obvious nature and common sense, not what society tells me is okay.

This is what baffles me about the liberal mentality. Not necessarily you, cause obviously I don't know you, in fact I don't even know that you're liberal, but their general attitude as a whole. They preach that nobody should be judged negatively for their beliefs, or preferences, or values, or anything else. No matter what. And on paper that's a good ideal, but then they turn around and negatively judge anyone who believes in upholding traditional standards. I'm sorry, if you're offended by my beliefs, agree to disagree I guess, but I will never change my mind on this. The fact that, if everyone was gay, the species would die out in a generation, is enough for me to decide that it's wrong. The fact that basically every species on the planet with male and female counterparts thrives on male and female mating is enough for me to decide that that's the way it's supposed to be, whether designed by nature or by God, whatever. It's got nothing to do with religion, at all. Drugs don't hurt anyone except the person using them, and that's their choice, but it's still illegal because common sense says it's wrong. Same thing here. But no, we're too worried about offending someone to have a right and wrong, beyond discouraging murder.

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Nerevar #fundie mmo-champion.com

Meh, I say do not meddle in other peoples culture/religion. What is right and what is wrong - are purely subjective things.

Generally, I agree. But a 15 year old girl being raped and abused, and then being whipped for it is not right in any form of society. Just try to imagine the horrific situation she is in.

That's the thing. Someone decided the morality norm of a society that everyone is supposed to follow. But why is everyone supposed to follow it? Sure, I understand that that girl pretty much experienced "hell", but in these kind of stories I really dislike those who try to force their beliefs and views on things towards other cultures, religions, people etc. Thinking that they are much better than the next person. But why? What makes them better? Only their subjective standing point. And since we ourselves decide what is good and what is bad - it's really impossible to say who is right and who is wrong. So I really see no point in judging, and especially trying to change people in such situations
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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Why are SJWs like yourself the only people defending pedophilia?

You do know that trying to elicit sex from a minor, of any kind, is a crime right? Nothing you say or do will change that fact. But please keep talking. We love to know who our resident pedophile defenders are.


Who said I was an SJW? If I was an SJW I'd be wishing certain death on him like Floopa, without even knowing the facts!

I'm not on Kevin's side. I'm on the side of the victim which is Rapp but that doesn't mean I condemn Kevin to death or wish him harm. As I mentioned on the previous pages of this thread: Kevin is a tortured soul whose father abused him so I can find it in my heart to forgive him for allegedly touching a 14 year old (a grown kid basically who knows right from wrong and had a job) inappropriately 30 years ago.

Humans are flawed. There's no one who is perfect.

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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

[ on kevin space sexual assault allegations ]


I want it to be investigated and him and any possible witnesses questioned by Police. The fact the Spacey thinks it could have happened is, to me, alarming.

We don't need to waste tax dollar money on futile and pointless investigations which won't lead to any meaningful resolution. It's best to forgive and forget.

Well, go to jail as any other pedophile?? That could be a start right?? Is there a difference in your small mind between sex with a 13-year girl like Polanski did and him and 14-year boy?? Or gays now got a one time free pass from jail time?

Jail? For merely lifting and drunkenly touching a 14 year old boy? For something that happened 30 years ago? For something that may or may not have had happened?

he provide proof he's innocent, or turn himself in. "i forgot what i was doing, i was under the effects of alcohol" is not an excuse.

Turn himself in for what? For drunkenly 'wrestling' around with someone he thought was a friend of a friend.
that sounds like "Rape Apology" for me . Oh, what you didn't think that SJW BS works both ways??

But nobody was raped? Are you dense? Did you even read the article or the OP? He left the room. Which gives further credence to the idea that Spacey, then a 26 year old lad, was intoxicated.

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Sorry doesn't cut it when you tried to rape some kids.

There is no proof that he tried to rape anybody.

But lets say for a second kevin admits that he made the advances and that Rapp rebuked him. So what? What actual crime was comitted.

I think you people have been watching too many episodes of the new season of Law and Order: Special Victims Unit. LMAO

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shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Child Bride Kills Husband and his 3 buddies

By supporting her action you're consequentially telling me that mass murder is okay if you have been wronged by a single person. Which is inherently not only abhorrent but logically speaking doesn't make much sense to me. 1 life is more important than a potential 14 lives? That's what it boils down to the numbers, what's more is that she didn't have to kill them. She could've killed herself. I'm not saying she should've committed suicide but if things were as bad as she alleges she could've ended right then and there. But no, her actions were laced with revenge and possibly psychopathic tendencies.

Also calling her husband a rapist and a pedophile is flagrantly ignorant.

I did not call him a pedophile, and while he might not have felt like a rapist because of the culture he was raised in, the fact is that the girl was his sex slave. She did not consent to the marriage, therefore she did not consent to consummate the marriage. She was facing a lifetime of rape, and possibly death, because a child bearing a child is potentially deadly, especially in those parts of the world.

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She is not his sex slave, she is his wife. They're not bound by your hypocritical Western morality as they're in an Islamic state where it's perfectly justified to wed a 14 year old. Are you aware that child marriage was a common practice found everywhere in the world as late as the 20th century even in the West?

So you disagree with the U.N. labor organization which classifies early and forced marriage as modern-day slavery. Again, I ask, what makes you more qualified to decide what does and does not constitute slavery?

Buying a slave, and then buying a ring for their finger doesn't emancipate them. The practice of selling daughters as child brides is essentially socially sanctioned child trafficking.

irst of all it's not an early marriage; she is 14 and as someone correctly stated above 14 is legal in some states in the US. And as I mentioned in my previous post it's widely practiced across the world and has been practiced in the West as well.

Secondly, the UN is heavily Westernised, that is, it perpetuates ideals held by secular nations where liberalism is the agenda. It doesn't recognised Sharia Law or indeed Islamic states like Nigeria. Bringing the U.N laws in to the discussion is hardly relevant, so spare me the theatrics.

Thirdly, you keep mentioning the words slave and slavery yet nowhere in the original article have I read that this 14 year old girl has been sold or indeed bought. Weird because you'd think if this was indeed the case the newspaper would've commented on it.

Finally, what innocent child would device a plan to mass murder 14 people? Perhaps she was married off because she was mature for her age or she was troublesome and her parents thought that marriage might ground her?

Perhaps a 14 year old girl who for whatever silly reasons feels as if she was raped, and is facing a lifetime of more rape, and is probably going to be expected to bear the children of whom she feels is her rapist, which could very possibly kill her? Do you not acknowledge any remote possibility that this girl felt she had been raped? Growing up in a culture that condones rape doesn't make the rape victim feel any less raped, it just allows the rapist to escape culpability.

Refusing to put out for your Husband is not rape in their country so you cannot call it rape. Marital rape has only been a crime in the West for what only 30-40 years? Again with the double standards and the righteousness.
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Endersblade #fundie mmo-champion.com

http://news.sky.com/story/1125379/cps-suspends-lawyer-from-sex-abuse-cases


41 year old man walks free as judge callls 13 year old a Predator


Neil Wilson is 41 years old. He took a 13-year-old girl home, allowed her to strip and then engaged in what we must euphemistically refer to as a “sex act” with her. For this and other offences including the possession of eight images of child sexual abuse and eleven sexual images involving horses and dogs, he received an eight-month suspended sentence. But it’s not the lenience of the punishment that has pushed the case into the headlines. It's the comments of the prosecutor and judge.Neil Wilson, 41, faces having his eight-month suspended jail sentence reviewed after the Attorney General Dominic Grieve agreed to look into the case yesterday. And the Crown Prosecution Service was forced to admit that its own prosecutor acted “inappropriately” when he placed a portion of the responsibility upon the victim in court.
For more than two weeks, writer Caroline Criado-Perez has been leading a fight against the threats of violence online, which followed her banknote victory. Speaking today, she said: “This latest incident is the very front line of the sexism that still pervades UK society. For two weeks, Twitter has been awash rape and death threats against women who dare to speak out against abuse. The women are accused ‘provoking’ them.
“Now we have seen where this kind of attitude ends up: with what looks like a judge calling a 13-year-old girl a ‘sexual predator’ and letting her abuser off with a suspended sentence.”

I've had this conversation with a few of my friends, when one of my other friends got 'busted' for a similar thing - he was 20, his gf was 17, and they'd been dating since he was 17 and she was 14. He and his dad got into an argument over something unrelated, and his dad dimed him out to the cops. He is now and forever will be labeled a sex offender, and that is just complete and utter bullshit. I do not, in any way, condone the coercion and/or rape/abuse of underage kids, but for fuck's sake, 13 year olds know what the fuck they're doing, it's not like they don't know what the hell they're getting into when someone wants to have sex with them. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fucking blindly ignorant.

I have absolutely no bloody idea when or where or why this suddenly became taboo, people have been having relationships with pre-18 year olds for centuries, and now suddenly it's against the law. K. Seems legit. I personally have zero interest in someone that age; hell, I wouldn't date anyone under the age of 25, and even that's kinda pushing it. But some people have different tastes and different views. Again, as long as it's willful on both sides, who are we to judge?

I for one am GLAD that not only did he NOT get into trouble for this, but that SHE did, because at least it wasn't just an open and shut case where everyone was biased and automatically assumed foul play on his part against someone who didn't have any idea what she was doing...because obviously, she did. It's just refreshing to see such a change-up.

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Endersblade #fundie mmo-champion.com


again hes to young to consent

Really. How fucking stupid and oblivious were you at 16? I knew what sex was, and I'm pretty damned sure if some semi-attractive teacher was coming onto me, I'd be coming into her at every chance I got. "YES, I AGREE TO SEX". Man, that's so tough, I just can't imagine a 16 year old knowing how to do that.

But sure, go ahead and stick these ideas in his head. "You're too young, you don't know what you're doing." Uh, sticking my dick where the gods intended it to go? Right, again, he had no idea what he was doing, because he was just a dumb kid and didn't know any better, right?

Sometimes I wonder what gives people like you the right to breed, or even make decisions for others. It really scares me.

Flip this situation around: Two male teachers have a threeway with a 16 year old girl.

You better bet those two are going to jail for life.

Again, who gives a shit? What's with the double standard? In that situation, she STILL knew what she was doing. You people are so fucked up in the head when you bring out shit like this, like we're supposed to raise pitch forks if it happens to a chick, but meh if it happens to a dude. Same situation, same response: They knew what they were doing. Consent is fucking consent
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Endersblade #fundie mmo-champion.com

Japan Osaka mayor says the WW2 "confort women" were necessary
Couldn't fit a title that would make sense. Basically he said that the system through which women were raped and turned into prostitutes against their will by japanese soldiers was necessary. And this was just the fault of the war.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22519384

It's fucking WAR.

Anyone who has never set foot in a goddamn warzone needs to stop fucking commenting. We don't need armchair commanders who have no inkling of what it's like to be out there. War changes people, creates situations that normally one should never have to go through. SHIT FUCKING HAPPENS. None of you sheltered little kids who think they know what to do in that situation, what's right and what's wrong, have ANY. BLOODY. IDEA.

I spent 11 months in Iraq, and I'm sure there are many more people who have done more than that on this forum. I for one certainly wasn't prepared, no matter how much I tried to prepare myself for it. And any one of these people who has actually been in a combat situation knows what a mind fuck it is. Now, I'm not saying that forced prostitution and slavery is a good thing. Not by any stretch. But desperate times call for desperate measures, and all that jazz. And war was waged in far different ways back then. I don't know the numbers, but I KNOW the survival rate of infantrymen back then was leaps and bounds lower than it is today. Anything that can be done to psychologically prepare people to LOSE THEIR LIVES, raise morale, is a good thing when fighting a war if you ever plan on winning. Times were different back then, and this is just one of many things they did to alleviate the morale and depression surrounded war.

Ok, I'm getting off here before I really blow my top.

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Lefrog #fundie mmo-champion.com


It is. But you can't treat people in a way that is criminal, regardless of how they act. Therein lies the the fault with victim blaming. I know you said devil's advocate but this ought to be intuitively obvious? You can perhaps rightfully call a child a slut (but you won't be a nice person for doing so), but that's about as far as you can go. You can't rape her and then justify it as "well she acted like a slut so I treated her like one".
It's illegal to rape women for being promiscuous.

There in lies the problem with modern society. Because girls who act and dress promiscuously, sometimes also engage in sexual activity with older men. It's also illegal to have consensual sex, and the responsibility is thrown entirely on the adult. Controlling sexual urges during a consensual encounter is a lot harder than people think. It's not only in our genes, but also embedded in our society. There is a reason why so many people cheat when they are in a relationship. But there is a fundamental difference between wanting that ultimate please with someone and willing to break the law/relationship over it and going as far as knowingly hurting them for it.

Sometimes the adult may not know the true age, sometimes the adult will give in to temptation. But the thought process going through a man's brain is entirely different from a "I'm going to rape her" situation. Yet the punishment and branding stays the same, especially in cases involving minors.

200 years ago it wasn't uncommon to get with someone younger than 18. In fact, nature itself makes girls ready in the 10-13 age. Now I do agree, that in this day in age, getting pregnant or even engaging in sexual activity before 17-18 can be damaging, because so much of our future rides on our ability to focus on learning during our teen years and our ability to grow up with a healthy mental state. But we are fighting against our nature in doing this, and the fact that society has deemed it ok to punish those who break this rule but at the same time deemed it ok to leave all the temptation in there is wrong. It's similar to bringing alcohol to an AA meeting. In either case you have to be very strong willed to go against your natural instincts when being tempted, and some people just aren't.


No, girls that young giving birth are risking a whole host of medical issues. Nature makes girls capable by 13, it does not make them ready.

I'd have to research this more to find any kind of correlation between a healthy 14 y/o and a healthy 18 y/o as far as risks to giving birth. Again though you are right here and what I meant by ready was capable. But it would be wrong to state that all girls under 18 are unfit to become parents, or are at larger risk than if they were 18+. Those girls whose bodies develop and mature faster are also those who seem to favor promiscuous clothing as well, and as also more like to want to consensually engage in sexual activity. Therefore it also seems plausible that men's natural attraction to females happen when they think that female is ready to give birth regardless of age.

Honestly, I don't really see this happen all that often. Most cases of pedophiles (in the news at least) seem to be of either people who abused positions of trust (might as well be forcible rape) or predators who groomed little girls for sex (pretty much is forcible rape). But I acknowledge that could well just be my perspective. My position though, is that there's no reason why you can't wait a couple of years with an underage partner. Err on the side of caution when it comes to people who are potentially not ready.

I agree here, but I do occasionally read about a case of statutory rape that just doesn't seem to make sense. There is also a huge difference in being attracted to someone underaged that looks, talks, acts, dresses like an adult and an attraction to the looks, talks, and acts of someone who is clearly still a kid.

Edit: this is why I think society is partly to blame. We should keep children as children, so that people are less likely to be attracted to them even if they somewhat look old enough. Nothing more offputting to me than a girl who acts like a child with her mannerisms, despite how old she is.

Well the law does have to make up some number, but it's sad to see people automatically branded as pedophiles and rapist (not the legal definition, but that of purely forceful sex) when the parties involved can be one of the numerous cases when the sexual act in question is not damaging to either party. Especially when both parties are wired perfectly normal and subject to society's teens' provocative displays and their own sexual impulses.
I take issue with trying to blame it on provocative displays. Really, human adults in general aren't such hopeless creatures who can't control their base desires.

Don't agree with this at all. Just look at how many people commit crimes of passion, and how many people are addicted to drugs, alcohol, or smoking. Look at how many people eat without control, or spend way too much time on entertainment to their own detriment. Human adults in general have a very hard time struggling with control, specially when having that control isn't specifically rewarded in any way.
I don't think any of the other little vices that you mentioned compares to sexually assaulting a minor.

Oh they don't! I was referring to being able to say no to sex with a minor who looks,acts, talks, and dresses like an adult who is the one wanting to initiate the sexual act in the first place.
Sexual activity in men in my opinion is almost equivalent to a drug. It is why the porn industry is so damn huge. Sex is not one of those things men can just shrug off and be 100% in control about, because on some level sex is a primal instinct embedded in all of us. Look at how hard it is to become a celibate priest or monk, and they already remove themselves from situations where they can give in.
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Endersblade #fundie mmo-champion.com

Male Rape Victim forced to pay Child Support to Rapist.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-owes-more-than-15000-in-child-support-for-daughter-he-fathered-at-14/


Long story short. 20 year old woman has sex with a 14 year old boy. (Which is in Arizona classed as Statutory Rape). 6 years later, the woman sues for Child Support, and wins, during this time he was unaware that he had a child.

Funny enough, he is willing to pay, and is willing to take part in the kids life. His problem is that they also demand backpay for the past 6 years, which he is having a hard time meeting.

And this is not the first time this happens.


This actually happened to my roommate, although both were of age. They went to court over it, and they basically just blew it off like it couldn't happen. She moved states, had the kid unbeknownst to him, and a year later, filed for child support. He's been paying it ever since. He loves the kid, has zero custodial rights, even though the mom is letting the daughter turn into a fucking watermelon. She's 9 and weighs almost 120 lbs.

On subject but different issue, I cannot put into words how absolutely fucking stupid it is to say that a woman raped a male just because he was underage. Because, you know, you don't know jack shit about sex until you turn 18, and then suddenly poof, you're an expert. In that article, it was extremely obvious they were both consenting to what they were doing. To automatically make it rape just because he was 14? We have some seriously stupid fucking laws.

North American Man/Boy Love Association.

Basically, they say that a relationship between a full grown man and a young boy is perfectly fine, as long as there is no coercion..

Considering many cultures around the world already do this, I see nothing wrong with it. Although in their situation it may not always be consensual, at least here (from what little I've read up on the subject) NAMBLA requires consent on both sides for it to be ok.

Many of you seem to forget that even within the past 100 years, it was OK for someone 14, 15, 16 to be married and have kids, usually with an adult. It's something humans have been doing for thousands of years. Then suddenly, a...specific, will leave unnamed...group decided it's just ewwy gross and against their beliefs to be doing things with young, innocent kids who are completely innocent and don't know anything about sex, because they're innocent, you know? So somehow this got ingrained in our society, and now everyone gets up in arms if, even if 17 and almost 18, someone does something naughty with someone under the age of 18. Because 18 has suddenly become this magic number that turns kids into adults, even though, again, not more than 100 years ago people under the age of 18 were having families and holding jobs, contributing to their society.

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Endersblade, puupi #fundie mmo-champion.com

on what the age of consent should be


do agree that people should require a licence to have kids, be able to demonstrate they they have the financial means to support the child (maybe an insurance type thing for instance that they have paid into), and and intelligence test would not go amiss. Together with genetic screening to make sure no congenital diseases are passed on.
Harsh? maybe, but society should not have to pay for other people's choices or mistakes.


Endersblade:The last time I mentioned something like this, I got called Hitler lol. I wholeheartedly agree. But that is really beyond the scope of this thread.

And to the guy complaining about the 19 and 14 year old scenario: I had a 19 year old male friend with a 14 year old girlfriend. She asked HIM out, and he had to practically beat her off with a stick. She wanted sex constantly. He and I lived together at the time, I witnessed that indeed, HE was not the raper. I had no problems with it, other than she was a little bitch. They both knew what they got into, and they were both consenting to it.

12?wow you sir are one sick puppy.

While I don't agree to 12, care to explain why without using words like "ew" and "gross" and "against X"? You just have a preconceived notion, thanks to our wonderful society, that 12 is a bad age. But 12 year olds have sex too. I know, what a shocker. Finally old enough to start showing a bit of ankle, and they're already having SEX! Stone them!



A 19 year old sleeping with a 14 year old is pretty fucked up .

Puupi : Not really. It's very common. Besides, more often than not you can't even distinguish the physical and mental difference between a 19 year old boy and 14 year old girl. Girls develop so much faster.


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Silent one #fundie mmo-champion.com

Honestly, I think by the time guys are 15-16 they are about as mature as they will be until at least 23-ish, maybe even 26-ish, Although I'm still a 23 year old virgin, and might have a bit of a shallow view of these things, but I really don't see the problem, as long as the teen isn't under 16 (which is the average age of consent in the world), and it was "Consensual." It was these stupid rules and fear of going to jail that kept me from having fun in high school when I was still able to get a girls attention, These days I'm a hopeless blob of repulsive flesh, but maybe if I had a "Teacher" to show me the ways of the world, I wouldn't be on my way into an early grave alone and hopeless.

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endersblade #fundie mmo-champion.com

Also, for the ignorant, being a pedo is no more an illness to be cured than being gay. Sexual preference is just what you're attracted to. My friend has the most ogrish looking wife I have ever seen, but he finds her irresistible. Does that mean that one of us has an illness? No, it means we have different preferences in what we find attractive. Some people find the same sex attractive. Some people find animals attractive. For some, the underaged. The only reason people view such a thing as bad is because people say it is. Just like being gay used to be bad. Just because YOU don't accept it doesn't mean it should be outright banned. The pure ignorance of the greater masses is what leads to things like this.

So look at it from the pedo point of view: I'm sure many of us have sexual vices. What would happen if you didn't have access to some sort of release? In this case, an adult wants to have sex with a minor. Well, looking at kiddy porn is illegal, so that's (mostly) out. Obviously having sex with a legit child is also illegal. Sex dolls? Sex robots? At least before this ban passes/passed, they were legal. A legal release for your vice. If I was into kiddos and had a doll that simulated, at least to some extent, sex with a kiddo, I'd imagine I would be satisfied enough. Granted, my hand simulates quite a bit as it is, so whatever.

Now, that doesn't mean that their urges to fondle kiddos is going to ultimately LEAD to them doing so - but the frustration of not satisfying that urge could lead to other issues. Being sexually frustrated doesn't just mean your wife isn't putting out anymore. Just look at Prohibition...people will find a way, and that way may not always be better than what was in place beforehand


A gay person does not rationalize their desire to be with other people fo the same sex by projecting their desires upon them unless they actually are mentally ill. Just because I like guys does not mean I rationalize my desire by kidnapping random guys and saying that in truth they really love me. Pedophiles routinely rationalize their desire to be with someone who cannot consent and will often show visible signs of pain during intercourse and will romanticize those relationships and even brain wash children. They also often trade the kids around.
There is no equivalence here.

You are reading way, way too into what I said. Sigh. Why aren't you people intelligent enough that I don't have to spell this shit out? Sheesh.

Do I think people wanting to fuck children is good? Of fucking course not. However, since we're being asinine, it's technically more natural than gays - at least they're having sex with the PROPER opposite sex. There is nothing natural about being gay. That said, I support gays, I don't support pedos.

I was also posting under the assumption, apparently incorrectly, that people would realize I wasn't talking about YOUNG children, like single digits, etc, and that I wasn't referring to straight up rape. If a teen wants to have a relationship with an adult, I don't care what the fuck you try to rationalize your response with, it's up to them to do so and they know what the fuck they are doing. All of you were that age once, you knew what the fuck sex was. Some of you lost your virginity at 13, 14, hell maybe even sooner.

Is it strange for some, say, 30+ to want to be in a CONSENSUAL relationship with someone 13, 14, etc? By societal standards today, sure, it is. Has it always been? Nope. As a matter of fact, more human history has not only supported it but EXPECTED IT than not. Wrap your head around that one. But you outright say that the teen is being raped against their will just because they're "underage", or that the teen didn't know what they were doing (you are, at that point, putting words in their mouth), is just straight bullshit.

Rape against anyone, from the age of 0 to infinity, is rape. I don't condone it against adults OR children. Brain washing, as you say, same thing. Doesn't matter the age, it's wrong. But there ARE cases where the younger of the two KNEW what the fuck they were doing, but the adult gets into trouble because OMG that person is diddling kiddos! Burn them!

Sigh. I could drag this on and on; either you guys are going to pick apart what I say and twist it, or you'll understand what I'm getting at and move on. Either way, from the rest of the responses in the thread, it is very obvious that the majority of them aren't capable of talking about this subject with an open mind or without extreme biases.

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Eierdotter #fundie mmo-champion.com

Blaming only the Rapist is pointless

Just wanted to get it out there, feel free to hate me for beeing a "victim blamer", because you did not read the whole text/did not get my point.
So what i want to get at is, that our western society especially feminism is so focused on blaming all men for raping women.
And who ever dares to ask what the girl was wearing or whatever is shamed for trying to imply that it could be the womans fault.
In my example i will adress the general assumption of male=rapist and female=victim, despite the fact, that rape happens vice versa or withing the same gender. Also i am talking about real rape, not the loose feminist definitions like regretted ONS etc.

If you tell a rape victim, that it was not her fault and she could not have done anything to prevent it and that it was 100% the fault of the man, that might be more comfortable at the moment (and we know everyone prefers the comfortable path to the stony one) but hurt in the long run.
Just imagine you would be in the situation after beeing raped, you feel extremely bad, worthless, used, dehumanised. You question the point of life and become paranoid, a certain smell or sound reminds you constantly of the incident. And your friends, family, doctory, police tell you constantly it was not your fault, you could not have done anything to prevent it and that the authorities will get him.
Thats very comforting at first glance, but what it also does is taking away all your options.
I can only imagine how a victim would feel, but i am very certain you would want to do everything to ensure this does not happen again ever.
But how should you be able to prevent it from happening again if no actions from you have an effect and all the options are tied to the rapist.
I would rather have the discomfort to be asked several uncomfortable questions and admitting to be partial guilty. So i can work on these things to prevent the same incident in the future.
Some of these things are classics we all know in the back of our head, anyway i will list a few keywords
- Alone - Clothing - Intoxicated - Self Defense - Awareness -

And a stupid scenario to paint a picture if you do not already have it in your head. Who is more likely to get raped, A or B?
A - Very drunk girl almost sleeping alone on the bench of a bus stop waiting for the bus she missed partly because she is not very fast wearing a tight skirt with heels and partly because she danced late into the night, even when her friends started to go home.
B - A group of friends who are walking to the bus stop after celebrating the recent black belt honoring at the steakhouse next to the dojo, everyone wears jeans and sneakers.

So to sum it up, the world is dangerous, society can not take care of everything, you have to take a part of the responsibilty.
If you run across the street, you look left and right if there is a car, even if the traffic light is red for cars and green for you.
if you get hit by the car and the car was supposed to have stopped at the red ligth, i assume next time you check if the car has really stopped instead of just expecting it. The driver is wrong because he ignored the red light, but you had the option to look before you cross the street and prevent the incident in the first place.

cheers Eierdotter

Edit:
I assume every sane person knows rape is as wrong as murder and you do not need to tell them. still it happens.
And a TL;DR:
Preventing rape > blaming rapists"

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Templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/12/15/dear-daddy-rape-culture_n_8812780.html

A Norwegian PSA is calling on dads around the world to take a closer look at their actions and how they may add to rape culture.

#DearDaddy, put out by CARE Norway, an organization that advocates for women’s and girls’ rights,


Gee, didn't see that coming.

“By the time I’m 14, the boys in my class will have called me a whore,” she tells her dad. “It’s just for fun of course, something boys do, so you won’t worry, and I understand that.”

Oh no! Those hurtful words!!

She goes on to share how another boy will try to stick his hand down her pants while she’s drunk at 16.

Then don't get drunk underage or to the point of passing out in a place by yourself.
Later on, she tells him she will be raped by a family friend at 21.

The hell kind of friends do you and your family have?
Afterwards, she finds herself in an abusive relationship as an adult.

Which is totally not her fault for choosing to be with an abusive fuck. She's totally innocent from all responsibility. >.>

Here in Canada, several provinces have put out campaigns advocating against sexual violence and harassment. While the campaign #WhoWillYouHelp? was geared toward speaking up when you witness something,

Why the hell should anyone "speak up" when you screw yourself and fail to take responsibility for your actions?

This video isn’t meant to shame men. Her ask is simply that her father become aware of his own actions and the role he can inadvertently play in adding to rape culture by laughing off misogynist things as jokes and failing to call out the men in his life.

"I'm not saying it's your fault, it just is your fault."

“One thing leads to another,” she explains. “Don’t let my brothers call girls whores, because they’re not.”

"You hurt my feelings!! I've been RAPED
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Wazzbo #fundie mmo-champion.com

On a serious note; rape will still happen - probably forever and no matter what.
So what can we (as an individual) do?

Protect ourselves.
Clothing does play a part in that protection, believe it or not.
If clothing plays a part in other scenarios, why doesn't it here?

I don't walk through a super-ghetto here where I live in the middle of the night dressed in formal clothing for obvious reasons.

I don't dress provocative (nazism, fascism, communism, anti-religious etc) in public because it brings risks, vocal or physical conflict.

I don't get shitfaced unless I plan to sleep at some buddy or something because it brings risks, getting mugged or attacked in the night on the way home.
Neither do I wear my most expensive clock, jewlery, work+private phone, etc because it's unnecessary and also increases the chances of getting mugged, especially if you're passed out on a bus.

Why is it so taboo to say that, MAYBE, going piss ass drunk wearing next to nothing, is a bad idea compared to being only slightly drunk but wearing full clothing?
It's not about victim blaming, it's about common fucking sense.

"But but... muh clock and jewlery", yeah I agree. I SHOULD be able to dress however I want. But in current society, I can't.

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Templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com


After a man allegedly tried to inappropriately touch a 15-year-old girl on a bus in Queens, New York, Morancy stepped in, pinned the accused creeper against a seat and sent a simple message. He said,
"Don’t ever do that shit again."
Eventually the cops came to the scene to sort the situation out. When they arrived, Morancy told them there was a man touching a little girl. Morancy also told them he was defending her.


And what was a teenager doing on a bus by herself?


1) What does that have to do with anything? 2) How do you think teenagers get around in New York?


1. Pretty poor parenting to let a teenager who can't take care of herself go around New York alone. I know it's victim blaming but you see where her being alone got her, almost sexually assaulted. Imagine if this dude hadn't of been there.

2. Hopefully with their parents or in a group


1) You're right, it is victim blaming. How is being groped by a stranger on a public bus the fault of the parents or the girl? Or a demonstration that she can't take care of herself? Half the neckbearded, "independent", adult men commenting in this very thread are too cowardly to even confront this guy themselves, by their own admissions. Grown women get raped and molested by strangers too, should they be followed around by mommy and daddy every where they go? If a total stranger walked up behind you and punched you in the back of the had, are you going to claim it was your parent's fault for not picking you up after work?

I seem to have struck a nerve.

Here's a tip for life, if you can't take care of yourself don't be by yourself. This girl was clearly not able to take care of herself so she shouldn't have been by herself. By all means blame the groper, but when you jump into the fray you run the risk of getting hurt. And from your own observations here this girl was lucky the good guy was there to protect her because how many of us would jump in, right?

Nice to know my town is part of "fantasy land" instead of reality.

As for the rest of your tirade, you have failed to explain why the girl was on the bus by herself. Were her parents to busy to escort her? Did they not care for her enough? As you've explained, New York/L.A./etc. are pretty big cities. Why take the chance in letting a teenager who can't take care of herself ride the bus alone? When she's a grown woman who can take care of herself then the parents shouldn't have
anything to do with it.

If someone comes out of alley and you don't see them and hits you in the head with a bat, that's you screwed.

Then that's your ass for not paying attention to dark allies. The victim of something isn't off the hook because they are the victim. If someone fails to protect themselves from a possible event then it's still on them. Walking into a street with your eyes closed doesn't absolve you when you are hit by a car. Going into public alone when you are too young to protect yourself doesn't mean you or your guardians are in the right
I neither conveyed nor even inferred anything about what should or should not have happened. I simply said that she, like most people, was likely not expecting to be blatantly, gratuitously fondled on a crowed bus in the middle of the day.

So a woman doesn't expect to get groped on a crowded bus? I may not have much experience riding on public transit but I'm willing to bet this happens too often.


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Templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com

It's a double standard. Men are seen as sexual beast unable to control themselves and if a guy finds himself in a situation like this, this outcome is to be expected of him. Any other outcome would mean he wasn't really a man. Women on the other hand are seen as sexually in control. Both of themselves and of the man or men they are sleeping with. If one ever went on a sexcapades like this, banging two older guys at one time, she would be labeled a slut.

I see no problem with the kid banging his teachers. And it's not just because I'm a guy. One of the main reasons I see no problem with this is because the two women are physically, and hopefully mentally, mature. Meaning if a child were to come from this encounter, and let's hope that doesn't happen, they could properly raise it. If roles were reversed and a teenage girl was knocked up by two guys, she wouldn't be physically or mentally capable to deal with the child, at least properly. And I know this sounds weird, but in a way it was better that he had sex with older women than it would have been if he had sex with girls his age. I'm not saying he's not, and he probably is, but it seems less problematic.

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medium9 #fundie mmo-champion.com

[on the kevin spacey sexual harassment allegations]

I'm with Shinra1 here. 26 is still fairly young, and it's entirely within the realm of possibilities that one hasn't fully matured sexually (well, body yes, but mentally is another thing) especially as a gay during that time, especially in Hollywood. I see this more like some teen at a party getting shitfaced and try to get it on with that hot freshman chick. People need to figure themselves out. It's no excuse for meddling with a minor, but as we (almost) all know: Drunk minds can REALLY fuck up one's moral compass.
That doesn't make it right, and if the allegations turn out to have substance, he deserves the scrutiny in the very least. But I personally still consider this to be in the realm of normal human try-out thyself. 14 isn't that young either, most people would have had some sexual experience by then, and at least boys will have had substancial solo play by that point to know enough about what's going on, roughly. Heck, at 14 I was actively seeking out a good lay.

I also get the vibe that no real abuse happened, and that a "no" was eventually honored without any actual rapey actions. All these things lead me to suspect that no actual harm was done, and that he merely tries to jump onto the Weinstein-wagon, possibly to gain a glimpse of spotlight. I almost suspect that he didn't even think much about the "incident" all these 30 years.
Well, yet another reason to give STD a pass. (I love that they still went with the name, knowing full well that ST has a tradition of refering to installments with 3-letter acronyms and STD was guaranteed to happen.)

Not too long ago the qhole sexuality thing was a LOT more relaxed man. I really don't know what happened. It's as if people suddenly forgot that we really are animals, and that sexuality is the strongest aspect of it by far. People have made all sorts of advancements for millenia to all sorts of other people. And as long as it didn't come to downright rape, abuse and violence (and yes, a forced kiss is abuse already - but not if the other one leans in, no matter how drunk), we filed it under "experience". I'm not saying that anything is game, but people currently are WAYYYY too sensitive about it. Not to say we should just leave it as is, but we're yet again overshooting the goals by miles. I'm getting tired of this.

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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Aren't homosexuals getting a lot of crap from religious people and in many less advanced countries? Saying mankind accepts them is wrong. Pedophilia is accepted in certain cultures where they marry and bed children at that.

I accept homosexuality because I see nothing but love between the people I know of that sexual orientation. Between a pedophile and child, there is no such thing, not even consent.


This is not true.

First of all in the educated sense the term is not just consent it's called informed consent to show that the person fully understands the consequences of their decisions.

Secondly many young children are capable of making informed consent claiming that all children are incapable of that is ludicrous certainly babies and toddlers, I agree with you but anything over 10 can make informed consent.

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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

BBC - A Pakistani woman who was set on fire for refusing a marriage proposal has died of her injuries
Maria Sadaqat, a young schoolteacher, was attacked in her home by a group of men on Sunday and died in hospital in Islamabad on Wednesday. Her family say she had turned down a marriage proposal from the son of the owner of a school she had taught at. Campaigners say attacks on women who refuse marriage proposals are common in Pakistan.

Maria's father has said the school owner was one of the men who attacked his daughter. Police told the BBC that the men beat her and doused her in petrol before setting her alight near the hill resort of Murree, not far from the capital. She suffered serious burns on nearly all of her body. Local media report that she had 85% burns.
...
Nearly 1,100 women were killed in Pakistan last year in so-called honour-killings, the country's independent Human Rights Commission says. Most are by relatives, but a small number carried out by people outside the family are also related to perceived loss of honour, correspondents say. Police said earlier this year that village elders had ordered the murder of a teenage girl because she helped a friend to elope.
Campaigners say most "honour killings" are not reported.
The Council of Islamic Ideology proposed making it legal for husbands to "lightly beat" their wives. Religious groups have equated women's rights campaigns with promotion of obscenity.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36425946


It's not a big deal this is like a one off. I'm sure people will make wild generalisations and drag in a bit of racism to make themselves feel better but ultimately this issue is none of the West's business. Let countries handle their own Human Rights issue. I can't believe that some people are already calling for Western intervention in the form of treaties. Keep your nose out of it more like.
What's more this is not an Islamic issue, it's cultural. Islam has nothing to do with this.
Lots of women die from male violence/abuse in the West but that's not sexy and sensationalist news is it now?

If they are so peaceful how about you go live in Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia. See how long you last as a westerner.

Saudi Arabia does't have a rape problem. Are you aware of just how strict and overhanded their sex crime laws are?
https://unitedhumanists.com/2016/04/12/gang-rape-victim-sentenced-to-200-lashes-six-months-in-jail-in-saudi-arabia/

What your link doesn't say (to anyone who is actually following this discussion ) is that the King of Saudi Arabia gave the victims an official pardon and they were not actually lashed or jailed.
In addition the perpetrators of the gang rape were sentenced to 1,000 lashes and imprisonment up to ten years
Nice try but you just proved that Saudi Arabia has strict sexual assault crimes just because they might have sexist laws in place for the victims doesn't negate that.
Why were they sentenced to begin with?

the sentencing is justified and it's clearly written in the link, that is, it is illegal for women to be alone with men who are not related to them. This law was put in place to protect women (and men) from putting themselves in situations which would inspire rape. Before you say victim blaming this is no different to the loud groups that question women about what they were wearing and why they were out so late or why they got into the car with a stranger.

Firstly, women have rights over their own bodies and that includes the right to be alone with whoever they want. You have no right to decide who a woman can spend her time with and you certainly have no right to punish her for it.

Secondly, I like how you avoided talking about how Saudi husbands demand sex from their wives whether the wives want to or not. People like you are the reason millions (billions) of women are abused every day.

If you don't want to follow the particular laws of a country or respect them for that matter, don't live there. I wouldn't bring forbidden animals or any animal in my luggage without declaring it into Australia for example but I would feel horrible about leaving my pets at home. But ultimately the law is the law. And in this case it's their because of religious reasons. In Islam it's illegal for men and women who are not related to be alone and there is nothing wrong with that. I respect people's religious views. I think you should too.

There is a certain expectation to have sex with any marriage regardless of religion/race. Plenty of divorces happen when needs are not being met. In the bible it says that women must submit themselves to their husbands and there is another verse that I cannot recall that supports this idea that women should be prepared to meet their husbands need which includes sex. Like I have been saying since page one this is not a Muslim issue, hell it's not even a Christian or religious issue. Men demand sex from their wives all the time. Women are victimised by men across race, religion and culture. Why are you loath to admit this?
The law about not being alone with strangers of the opposite sex is not sexist because it applies to men as well.

You say that the bible is not law anywhere but the Qu'ran is. I hope you realise that Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state not just in name but in practice too. 99.99% IF not 100% of their citizens are Muslim I don't see the problem with the law reflecting the religion which everyone practices as has been historically the case in the West with Christianity. Who are you defending? The muslim women who actually support the law which you say is sexist? Saudi Arabian women do not need you to cape for them they are happy living under the sharia law which is a part of the religion they practice.

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Fencers #fundie mmo-champion.com

People shouted ‘jump’ before suicidal man fell to his death
http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/16/people-shouted-jump-before-suicidal-man-fell-to-his-death-5106465/?ito=v-b
A suicidal man died when he fell from a building after people shouted ‘get on with it’ and ‘jump’ while police tried to coax him back from the edge.Some people even filmed the victim, aged in his 40s, as he fell to the floor on Saturday afternoon and one person was heard asking ‘how far can you bounce?’Police were called to the scene in Telford, West Midlands, and have since criticised those who shouted to the man.
Inspector Ben Smith said: ‘It is pretty appalling because it is someone who is clearly in need of support and assistance. That behaviour is something we would condemn.‘Clearly what that individual needed was time and space and a professional to help them out.
The individual would have been in need of care and support and appropriate intervention from medical professionals, so anything like that to encourage someone to jump should be unequivocally condemned.’
Kelly-Anne Taylor, 35, from Telford, said: ‘People were recording it with their phones and yelling at him to jump.
I can’t stop thinking about it. I was up town when it was happening and how much I wish I could have tried to help him.’

I do not see what the offense is here. The universe is indifferent to your being, and people have no obligation or duty to be sympathetic your being either.
It is very likely strangers to the "jumper" viewed the individual as annoyingly occupying time &/or space. At best believing the stunt to be overly dramatic and insultingly selfish, or at worst viewing the individual as mentally ill.

In either view there is no object reason a passerby need feel or discourage others from their self harming mania.
Morality is made up. It's not a real objective thing in the universe. There is no right or wrong- there are laws and social norms, both of which are transitory and relative.

Outrage is unnecessary save where it infringes on another person's safety or relative freedom.

When someone is in an unstable state shouting at them, let alone advising them to kill themselves could definitely be considered infringing on their safety.

Your safety is what I clearly am talking about above. It is not necessary to be outraged people are jumping off buildings as long as it is not effecting those walking by or the infrastructure one maneuvers within.
Which jumping off buildings does effect, naturally. However it is that which should outrage an individual- that it inconvenience your day and probably cost some money to clean up.

Outrage because one may think some passerby is an "asshole" is foolish. Outrage out of some "moral" stance is unnecessary.

I wonder if you'd say the same thing if it was one of your loved ones being encouraged by apathetic strangers to kill themselves.

I would
The state of the loved one is important to me, but I do not believe others have a duty or obligation to be sympathetic to my loved ones or my feelings toward a loved one.
Imagine a different scenario:
I come across a child with obviously diminished mental capacity holding a hand gun. I heckle the child telling it that it should put the gun in its mouth and pull the trigger. The child does.
Would you be outraged? Would the situation be so different?

At your heckling? No.
At the circumstances that lead to a person with diminished mental capacity having a firearm, probably so. Because it is not in the best interest of myself, and society in general, to have firearms so accessible.
You would be a jerk, sure. The heckling is not where I would say valid outrage should be directed, however.

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New Sauce boy #fundie mmo-champion.com

It has been getting out of hand from the beginning. Right when they started to put black people's lives on a pedestal and act like they're above everyone else like they're the most important people in the world and acting like they deserve something just because some black person was shot. Then it really got out of hand when they used this black lives matter bullshit as an excuse to destroy and pillage their own fucking town like a bunch of savage raiders. All because of some guy who 90% of the people involved don't even know. They only protest because it's a fellow brutha. When a black guy kills a white guy or even a family over a few thousand dollars/drugs/something stupid do you see anyone going out with signs like "white lives matter" and protesting and rioting all over? No. The only people that are affected are the friends and families of the victim(s).

The whole "BLM" shit is stupid and everyone involved are a bunch of idiots who don't even know what the fuck they're really protesting for. All they know is that some white guy killed a black guy and because of that it's racism all of a sudden. Who cares what the black guy did the cop shot him! The police are all corrupt! RIOT!! But whenever a black guy kills another black guy it's no fucking problem. Just another day in the neighborhood. Black lives don't matter in those situations right? That's why people say it's only racist if a white person is involved. White on black crime it's a international issue. Black on white crime, who the fuck cares? It's just another white guy, no biggie.

Also while on the subject people talk about stereotypes like how black people are always seen as criminals. Watch the news and tell me how many crimes were done by a black person versus a white person. Then come back and tell me that the stereotypes are unjustified and racist. Then you can wonder why cops are so on edge. Doesn't really justify their actions but as a human being can you really blame them for being scared and valuing their lives? Cops aren't emotionless drones. They want to go back home to their families too.

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Shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Actor Anthony Rapp has accused Kevin Spacey of making a sexual advance at him when Rapp was 14, Buzzfeed reported Sunday.

In an interview with Buzzfeed, Rapp said Spacey picked him up, put him on his bed and "was trying to get with me sexually." Spacey was 26 at the time.

In response to the allegations, Spacey tweeted that he was "beyond horrified to hear [Rapp's] story."

Spacey tweeted: "I honestly do not remember the encounter, it would have been over 30 years ago.
"But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behavior, and I am sorry for the feelings he describes having carried with him all these years."

I think we should all be very careful and not try and crucify this man who is an extremely apologetic and redeemable figure who has done more good than bad. I've been on twitter this morning and many people are bashing him for trying to deflect with him coming out as gay.
I even feel bad for him because it was such a long time ago and he cannot remember. There's no right or wrong way to apologise for doing something like this. I think all the holier-than-thou crowd should have several seats and shut up.

*If* the allegation is true, how do we do the ethical calculus here? How much good does somebody have to do in order to attempt to force themselves on a 14 year old?

If the allegation is true, I can still forgive him and look past his previous actions. We've all made mistakes in the past and this is no different. We obsess over a moment in a bedroom 30 years ago while most of the world is struggling to find something to eat or fighting off fanantics and criminals and rising oceans. Probably most shocked and outraged tweeters are busy watching PornHub 3 hours a day, cheating on their spouses, buying sex toys, or checking out students coming home from the local high school…
I think we need to save the moral outrage for others not a closeted gay man who was pressured to repress his sexuality by everyone.
So trying to solicit sex from a minor is not taking advantage of them? The guy seems to remember the incident pretty clearly so it wasn't forgettable to him.

The gay rumours have been swirling for decades. Hollywood used to be and still is largely homophobic and gay actors are forced to deny their orientation for the sake of keeping their careers afloat. His repressed sexuality could have led him to act out in this predatory manner as he wouldn't have had the chance to be out and openly gay in public. In short, I'm saying that his behaviour could be explained as a symptom of his mental anguish. We should empathise with him and look beyond our own hubris to crucify a man who is a victim of society as much as his own victim

Why was he at a party where there was alcohol all on his own? He was out most of the night so where were his parents? Why did he wander off into bedroom and not just go home? Space was obviously drunk and has no recollection of the incident. Rapp has waited until now to speak out, yet has told the story to others over the years. It has obviously become his 'Dinner Party Piece' and has become elaborated upon over the years. He probably believes it all himself by now, but that does not mean it is all totally true.
Even if it was, Kevin spacey is completely redeemable and he shows remorse.

It also doesn't mean it's not true. It also does not mean Spacey is redeemable.

The psychology of being closeted is dark and cruel and self-punishing. That Spacey has dwelt in that for years is sad. Not to mention how he hasn't been able to live authentically for the past 58 years. He apologised. What more do you want him to do?
If it's true, the he is added to the vermin-list.. there are no exceptions there, even if you are famous ffs... He should never get a gig again in his life, simple as that!

No, it's not forgivable to ruin someones life and then redeem yourself with good movies or whatever BS... You striked out, simple as that!


Get off the soap box. You holier-than-thou lot make me so angry. May he without sin cast the first stone.
Humans are ALL redeemable. Even the ones that kill other Humans. Yes, even the ones on Death row

Well, this whole deflection by Spacey reminds me of the whole Caitlin Jenner thing, she killed a woman by pushing her car into on coming traffic. Soon after, she comes out as trans, everyone totally forgets she just killed someone, and it falls off the radar, Spacey looks like an idiot for this, if i were his lawyer i would be losing my shit right now.

No he doesn't look like an idiot. He is very smart which is why he chose to 'come-out' now, even though everyone already knew. Don't forget that Kevin is also very much a victim. His father was a failed writer who was also sexually and physically abusive towards him and he also was a nazi extremist/sympathiser.

I feel bad for both Rapp and Spacey. And I will still watch and support Spacey. He is an American hero.

a pedo is an American hero jesus fucking christ

There is no proof that he was the p word. And even then being the p word is not a crime. There are many p words living well-adjusted lives and they have learnt to suppress their urges and you probably have crossed path with them before or they might even live in your neighbourhood. BEFORE YOU MAKE MY POST ABOUT THIS, I'M TELLING YOU ITS NOT ABOUT DEFENDING P WORDS BUT ABOUT USING THE CORRECT NOMENCLATURE. The only 'crime', and I use that word dubiously, is lifting the boy onto his bed which can be explained as drunken behaviour.
All I'm saying is that there are biggest things to focus your hate and anger towards than a gay 58 year old man whose nazi father used to beat up and molest until his late teens.

I'm not on Kevin's side. I'm on the side of the victim which is Rapp but that doesn't mean I condemn Kevin to death or wish him harm. As I mentioned on the previous pages of this thread: Kevin is a tortured soul whose father abused him so I can find it in my heart to forgive him for allegedly touching a 14 year old (a grown kid basically who knows right from wrong and had a job) inappropriately 30 years ago.

Humans are flawed. There's no one who is perfect.

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Itisamuh #sexist mmo-champion.com

British mom gets just 12 months after repeatedly having sex with 8-year-old boy.
So I was surfing around the internet when all of a sudden I notice this... I am sorry but I just think this is unfair. Now I have seen people who are 16 have sex with his girlfriend who is 15 and get 7 years....
Heres the link: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/british-mom-jailed-sex-8-year-old-article-1.1726526

While I rarely feel sorry for the minors in cases like these (face it, they usually know exactly what is going on and enjoy it) it really gets on my nerves that women seem to always get more lenient sentences. I despise double standards and think the judge deserves his or her own prison sentence for excusing it because she lost her nerve and quit.

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Itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

If a bunch of gays moved to a state, for the example, California and lobbied to outlaw straight marriage and won would you support that state's decision?

I mean it is the states right correct? Just as it is their right to outlaw gay marriage.


No, because the normal status quo is man plus woman. It has nothing to do with state vs federal (for me anyway.) I simply see no reason for society to go out of its way to support every single oddity people can come up with. Especially since, if we deviate from the obvious norm once, then why not do it again? Why not legalize incest, provided both parties consent? Why not lower the age of consent to post-puberty, since they do it anyway? Etc. None of those things are "natural restraints" and all of them involve "natural attraction." If we revoke our purely man-made laws for one deviation, then all the others start asking for it, and the reasons for denying them become flemsy. Better to just not cross the line in the first place and have a set standard in my opinion. And that principle can apply to basically everything, not just this. It has nothing to do with "hating" gays, or wanting to deny rights, but rather having more concrete, set standards of life. Of course, as we become a more liberal society, my "archaic" standards will continue to get phased out in the name of goofy political correctness and an "everybody wins!" mentality.

But, as someone said earlier, it gets ridiculous having laws completely change from one state to the next. So as much as I would rather keep my conservative state conservative, I understand why the federal government steps in sometimes.

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itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

Personally if one of my male friends was attracted to a 12 year old girl, and another was attracted to a 24 year old man, I'd say the one attracted to the 12 year old girl is more normal. Make the girl 3 years old, and I'd possibly change my mind

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Itisamuh #fundie mmo-champion.com

I love the hypocrisy of this (not you specifically, just the general attitude people have.)

People against homosexuality can say it's an unnatural pairing because it can't lead to reproduction, and thus shouldn't be supported. But then the supporters try to turn that around, and say "Well then you're saying that people who can't have children for whatever reason shouldn't be allowed to either, right?!" It happens every single time.

But when it comes to incest, those same supporters won't agree if you use the exact same approach and say "Then anyone who even has a chance of passing a disease or disorder shouldn't be allowed to be marry or have children, right?"

Yeah, I kind of sympathize for them, even as a conservative. It strikes me as ridiculous that society is embracing things like homosexuality (which to me is far more strange than a brother and sister) but still condemning incest. Either traditional ideals should remain in tact, or anything should go. There is really no legitimate case to make for in between.

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shinra1 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Why do we condemn pedophiles and accept homosexuals?
Before you become morally outraged at my title please read my post.

Pedophiles like homosexuals cannot help their sexual preference, that is, they cannot help themselves. Yet the media in the West has completely demonised pedophiles as these monsters that kidnap children and lock them up in their basement to satiate their supposed perversion.

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templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Man Thrown in Jail Over Traffic Ticket, Neglected for 17 days and Died.
Macomb County sheriffs picked up Stojcevski in 2014 after he failed to pay a $772 traffic ticket for careless driving. Stojcevski was placed in a jail cell and later a mental health cell, even though a nurse who evaluated Stojcevski suggested putting him in a drug detox unit.
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Prior to his jail stint, Stojcevski was being treated for his drug addiction with methadone, Xanax, and Klonopin to stave off withdrawal symptoms, which can be deadly. Even a basic knowledge of these drugs and addiction suggests that suddenly yanking Stojcevski off of his medication would cause withdrawal — and that's exactly what happened when jail officials didn't give him the drugs.

Over 17 days, Stojcevski displayed typical withdrawal symptoms. He didn't eat, likely due to withdrawal-induced nausea. He shook and appeared to experience seizures. He seemed to hallucinate, reenacting a previous fight with an inmate. On his last two days, he laid on the floor, shaking and in clear distress.

During all this time, staffers rarely tended to Stojcevski's needs, even though his cell was under surveillance 24 hours a day. As he lay on the floor shaking and not eating his food over 48 hours, no one showed up to help until the very end. But it was too late — he was pronounced dead at the hospital.

So a former druggie gets caught for careless driving and dies from withdrawal in jail. It shouldn't have happened but it's kind of hard for me to care about someone who did the kind of illegal drugs that require methadone to come off of.

Oh yeah demonize addicts who can't help it since they've become addicted.

Their choice, these are the consequences. Anyone who believes drugs aren't addictive is a fool.

I knew a woman who was addicted to Crack after her brother forced her to use it.

So that must be true with every crack head am I right? And god forbid she call the cops on his ass and seeks medical help instead of following his habits.

We don't live in a country with an abundance of programs to help addicts. When they're caught they're thrown in jail.

No but we do have an abundance of programs that teach kids DON'T DO DRUGS! When you choose to do something you were taught as a child was bad it's really hard for me to feel sympathy for you.


I see. So you'd say you hate these people so much, you'd make it so that they die?

No, read a few posts after that. I wouldn't make them die, I just don't feel sorry when they do. He shouldn't have died while in the care of the state.
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Daish #fundie mmo-champion.com

Baltimore officer aquitted on all charges in Freedy grays death
A Baltimore judge acquitted Officer Caesar Goodson on all counts Thursday in the death of Freddie Gray, who death in police custody last year sparked days of riots throughout the city.

Goodson, who drove the van that transported Gray after his arrest, faced the most serious charges of the six officers involved in his death last April. He was found not guilty on all seven counts, including second-degree depraved-heart murder, second-degree assault, misconduct in office and involuntary manslaughter. The depraved-heart murder charge carried a possible 30-year sentence.
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this is good news

criminals should not enjoy the same rights as a law abiding citizens they make a choice to give up their rights when they commit crimes



Freddie Gray was arrested, but never tried or convicted, for carrying an illegal switchblade. In Baltimore, that is a crime punishable by a fine of up to $500, or up to 1 year imprisonment... in other words, a misdemeanor.
So to be very clear about what you acutally said here, you believe that the police should be able to kill people who they've arrested for misdemanor or felony offenses, regardless of evidence or conviction... and furthermore, that once you've been arrested, you are now considered a criminal, regardless of what anything as trivial as evidence or a court might have to say on the matter.

Darkwarrior seems to be another SJW who denies the existence of reality/facts

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

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templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Women who put themselves into situations while not caring about the consequences have themselves partly to blame. This "don't blame the victim" BS is retarded. Yes he did rape you, but you leading him on into a situation where you think you are in control and then it turns out you aren't is partly your fault. If you don't want it to begin with stop it before it starts, not halfway through.


How can a woman spot if the guy is a rapist or not before anything happens? It's not like women choose not have sex just to be annoying. Maybe she started to feel uncomfortable or the guy started to act differently. Normal woman would first assume that the guy will stop like any other normal guy. Her actions partly leaded to that situation but rape is always the rapist's fault. Blaming victim is a bad thing.

how could he know that she didn't want sex when she took her cloths off and got into bed with him..........

Yes a man who forces sex is a rapist, but the blame partly falls on her for consenting to the situation. She consented up until the act was being committed. At that point she has every right to stop, but if he doesn't then she put herself into that situation where she's in bed with a rapist. Sad as it is she is partly to blame for her actions. Had she had not agreed to that point she wouldn't be there.

Like I said, I don't condone rapists but people are responsible for their actions.

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Templar 331 #fundie mmo-champion.com

Texas jail ignores woman in labor, gives birth in solitary confinement and baby dies .WICHITA COUNTY, Texas — A woman held on drug charges in the Wichita County Jail in 2012 filed a suit against Wichita County and other entities for allowing her to deliver her baby in solitary confinement without help, resulting in the infant’s death. ....The suit claims about 6:30 p.m. the same day, Guerrero started experiencing labor-like symptoms, but Anderson listened to the baby’s heartbeat and sent Guerrero back to her cell, the lawsuit states.

Approximately 11 p.m. Guerrero started feeling intensified labor-like symptoms, the suit claims.

“Recognizing that something was wrong, Plaintiff pushed the medical emergency button, seeking assistance for her worsening condition. Plaintiff continued to push the medical emergency button, but her requests for help were ignored until 3:30 a.m.,” the lawsuit alleges.

According to the lawsuit, around 3:30 a.m. detention officers took Guerrero to the nurse station, but she was not examined, and Anderson told Guerrero the complications were probably from the prescription medication she was given by the doctor.

“Subsequently, detention officers escorted Plaintiff to the 'cage' and she was given a mat to lay on. Shortly thereafter, Plaintiff’s pain worsened, and she began to experience intense pressure ... in obvious distress, began to moan, scream and cry,” the suit claims. “She also attempted to talk herself through this ordeal, since she was not receiving any medical assistance.”


I feel no sympathy for the mother, but the death of the child is square on the feet of the officers and nurse. More than likely nothing will happen to them.

Curious why you say that. Are you saying that being arrested and in jail for drugs morally justifies having a family member (the baby) who is innocent in this scenario die?

No, the child was innocent and deserved to live even if the mother was a criminal. Why I feel no sympathy for her is because of her actions, she put herself in this situation. Had she been a law abiding citizen, she wouldn't of had this misfortune. If she truly cared about the child, she wouldn't be doing illegal things like being in possession of illegal drugs or theft.

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GrinningMan #fundie mmo-champion.com

[ NORTH MIAMI, FLA. (WSVN) - A therapist who works with people with disabilities is telling his story after he said police shot him while he was trying to help his patient with autism.

Cellphone video was released Wednesday afternoon showing Charles Kinsey lying on the ground with his hands in the air, telling officers that weapons are not necessary. “When I went to the ground, I went to the ground with my hands up,” Kinsey said, “and I am laying there just like this. Telling them again there is no need for firearms. He is autistic. He has a toy truck in his hand.”

In his hospital bed and wearing bandages, Kinsey said, he was attempting to calm an autistic patient who ran away from a group home. Kinsey could be heard in the video saying, “All he has is a toy truck. A toy truck. I am a behavior therapist at a group home.”

He is also heard asking his patient to calm down. “Rinaldo, please be still, Rinaldo. Sit down, Rinaldo. Lay on your stomach.”

The ordeal went on for a few minutes before Kinsey said one of the officers shot him. “I’m like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising,” Kinsey said. “I thought it was a mosquito bite, and when it hit me I had my hands in the air, and I’m thinking I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.'” ]

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Don't be shit. Don't get shot. How is this a fucking difficult concept?

[ How was he shit by doing what he was doing? ]

He put himself in the position instead of just being like 'ok, cops are there, I should just stand back'.

But no, he was shit. The entire situation could have been avoided if he just 'didn't'.

Braindead.

[ He should just let police with no training handle someone that is autistic? How do you think that will unfold? ]

Well probably without him being shot for one. Cops on the scene? It becomes a permissions situation for any third party.

'I am trained to handle developmentally disabled people, may I help?' y/n

[ The story evolved since this thread was opened. When those people were posting, the officer had not given a statement yet.

My sentiment rings true, despite your repeated attempts at claiming I'm being a hypocrite: MMO-C posters love to complain about the police, even when they don't have all the facts. ]

It's the new, hip thing to do after all.

And it's disgusting. Just shows that people nowadays have no interest in behaving with the slightest bit of self-awareness. Why would they take in a situation and behave responsibly when they can blame someone else for how they complicate things -and- get a sick paycheck?

[ Even if that is true, and I am not saying it isn't, why is there no independent thinking on the part of police in these instances. It's just mechanical reaction. Does this man actually look like a threat? I really hate to carry the water of these BLM folks because I think they are fucking stupid, but how can you not see this isn't a man worth shooting. Our revolution was started by a moron with an itchy trigger finger you know... ]

Why did he put himself in the position of being mistaken for a threat instead of waiting for the officers to figure out what was going on? I've had medic friends in plain clothes wait patiently at a scene before waving a cop down and explaining what they can offer as help.

No one got shot when someone applied a little bit of fucking courtesy.

[ At no point are you actually defending or justifying the cop for shooting just victim blaming. ]

waaaaah waaaaaah 'victim blaming'.

The man was educated in how to handle the developmentally disabled, yes? He went to school for it? He has a licensed therapist?

Then he wasn't a victim, he was a moron. A licensed moron that forgot a pretty key detail in offering assistance.

[ Maybe he listened to the people who said that you won't get shot if you're respectful and comply with every demand of the officers. ]

Are you saying that people should do whatever they can to avoid interacting with the police, because they could be shot for no justifiable reason at any given time?
I'm saying don't interact with the police until the situation de-escalates from 'guns are drawn', yes

[ Don't want to get accused of victim blaming? Stop blaming the victim.

Seriously, in what world is it OK to shoot someone lying on their back with their empty hands in the air? ]

Why would I stop blaming the victim when he was behaving in a manner that breaks concentration?

The officers have guns drawn, they are trying to figure out a situation and you have some jag-off flapping his lips while the police are trying to figure out:

A) Is the subject a threat?
B) Does he have a weapon?
C) How are people behaving around him?
D) Who all is connected to him?
E) Could a bystander be armed?
F) Is the subject disoriented?

He was not helping himself in this situation. Stay quiet, wait for officers to de-escalate situation, then explain why you are there.