Zinnia

@Zinnia

Incel Wiki #crackpot

So they’ve finally noticed that not all incels are hideous. Does that make them change their ideology? Hahaha no.

Sadly I did see a little bit of that in the 90s, though. Back when a lot of people were “awakening” to “gay is okay” there was the occasional well-meaning but misguided person who would be all “I see a cute young man who isn’t pursuing girls, let’s help him out of the closet” which was usually wrong, and a bad idea even if they were closeted. Fortunately I haven’t seen that since then, so it’s probably died out, but if anyone sees someone pulling that shit, please give them a major smackdown.

OverBeforeItBegan #sexist

Izayacel #psycho

@Titania: Not that this is meant to detract from your point (though it probably does a little) there’s a reason why rule of law is normally preferred - because unless a society is really devoted to pacifism, the murder rate is usually around 25-30%, i.e. there’s about 25-30% that your eventual cause of death will be murder. That doesn’t mean that people were randomly killing each other; it was often the only real way of dealing with repeated troublemakers - who were often abuse victims or people with special needs which were being ignored - and often the only way for abuse victims to make the abuse stop, which usually resulted in them being killed in revenge by their abuser’s relatives. Also a psychopath or a delusional idiot could often keep getting away with it for awhile if they could successfully appeal to supernatural justifications. That being said, societies lacking formal rule of law nearly always took a really dim view of rape, and it wasn’t unheard of for women to be expected to kill the rapist themselves while others held them down or otherwise made it easy, so…

There are probably some incels who value their own lives so little that they’d freely rape and murder in “revenge” even if they’d have a rather short lifespan as a result… provided that they managed to get over their crippling depression and didn’t otherwise meaningfully change as a result, which is a big if. I mean, they don’t actually need a lack of rule of law if they were really that motivated and self-destructive.

CrackingYs #wingnut #psycho

@frogflayer:

If you mean that they’re not considering women also being citizens, then you’d be correct. If you mean that they’re not considering this an oversight, you’d also be correct. If you’re thinking that this isn’t on purpose, you’re probably wrong.

Ap0calypse #sexist

Having your reality constantly challenged feels like gaslighting. And often, it is.

But look at, say, Flat Earthers. The vast majority of people find their arguments unconvincing if not absurd. Their views are challenged constantly by “globist propaganda” - information, ideas, and even news which inherently assume the world is round without necessarily stating it outright. I’ve even heard the argument that this refusal to entertain their views as having equal or greater validity to the normal consensus amounts to gaslighting them. But is it really? Not by the normal definition of the word. Even if they were correct that the world is flat, that would imply that the vast majority of people are claiming to believe the world is round for no reason except to abuse and/or manipulate Flat Earthers.

Having an extremely unpopular minority view constantly dismissed may feel bad, especially if you’re invested in it being an absolute truth, but it’s not gaslighting. But on the other hand, believing that it is can be tantamount to gaslighting yourself, so…

Gr8Believer #fundie #conspiracy #dunning-kruger

This sounds like big bang denialism. One of the issues with “steady-state” theory (the universe is infinite, always existed in its current form, and always will, is typically how the idea is presented) is why doesn’t every point in the sky eventually end at a star, resulting in the entire sky being blinding white. One of the possible solutions was “tired light”, where light gradually loses energy over time. At galactic distances, that would largely account for redshift but not blueshift.

Kandy Fire N Ice #fundie

They probably are. Look outside your social bubble.

Pia Orleane, Ph.D. and Cullen Baird Smith #magick #conspiracy

Wait, I realized later that if they really could use magic to alter the collective will enough that their declarations of consent would become meaningful, then it’s because they magically mind-raped everyone, becoming the ultimate consent violator. I’d say that they didn’t think this through, except that I’m pretty sure that they are one of those people who believe that “rights” are an innate property of the fabric of the universe and not a product of collective will and effort.

Fidelbogen #sexist

SivaSakti #magick

This is weird and heteronormative new-agey claptrap which mashes up ideas from multiple religions. It’s not even wrong, and shouldn’t get a pass just because it tries to be sort of liberal-ish.

Pia Orleane, Ph.D. and Cullen Baird Smith #magick #conspiracy

You can certainly declare that you don’t consent to anything you want don’t want to, but for most of that, good luck making any of those declarations meaningful. Even with magic. Even the few things where the law is sort of on your side, that’s up to you not to be stupid about binding agreements, not up to other people who’ve never met you to make exceptions in advance.

Arc_Unreal #dunning-kruger #conspiracy

The Death Star isn’t firing lasers anyway, unless space is made of really thick air. Which would explain a lot about how Star Wars physics works, actually. No, it’s firing antimatter plasma or something like that.

Sam Walker #magick

“Everything which can exist, does. But not creativity, originality, or invention, those aren’t real” is what I’m getting here.

That sounds like someone so disconnected from their own internal state that I’m honestly not sure how to meaningfully communicate with them if I ever met them.

David Miller #wingnut #racist

#AmericaIsNotYourDumpingGround is probably a reference to the idea that “Mexican Countries” are getting rid of their “undesirables” (drug dealers, rapists, disabled people) by driving them north.

wizardcel (“Lolicon, anti aoc advocate and sexual marxist.”) #racist

rael.org #god-complex #ufo #crackpot

temporary guest #fundie #homophobia

“Common sense” is really just largely unspoken rules that it is expected that everyone will pick up on as children, even if there’s no logical reason why they’d do so without being told. It can include superstitious nonsense. It can include oppressive ideas. It’s highly culturally influenced. What is common sense in a small town may be different from a big city or a rural area; what is common sense in Korea might not be in Brazil and vice versa; what is common sense in a highly religious community can be very different from a highly secular one.

Arguments relying on “common sense” are meaningless; after all, common sense isn’t.

Tim Tony Stark Rifat #crackpot #conspiracy #god-complex #mammon #psycho

#NoMenMidterms troll campaign #wingnut #sexist

I’ve never really been the marrying or raising kids type. In the alternate reality where that happened, I’d very much not prefer to be a stay-at-home parent, thank you very much. My husband can do that, if it’s economically viable.

/pol/ #wingnut #racist #dunning-kruger

Judgybitch #sexist #psycho

I don’t really do the bar scene… I only go to bars with someone I already know and am likely to have sex with later anyway. But I’m pretty sure that most women go to bars in groups to interfere with harassers and predators, not to protect each other from “their own bad decisions”.

David J. Stewart #quack #fundie #conspiracy

Once again, I had full-blown measles as a child. I came so close to death that it’s a miracle I survived, and was legally blind for nearly a year. Childhood diseases are *not* harmless.

Dr. Peter Jones #homophobia #conspiracy #fundie

One of the criticisms of postmodernism is that many of its followers treat science, religion, and magic as equally valid paths towards “truth”. However, it’s a philosophy with no inherent goals. If you think that it’s a pro-paganism movement, then you clearly don’t understand it. If you think that it’s anti-Christian, then that’s because it’s in some sense anti-everything - *all* structural, cultural, and philosophical frameworks are biased, including Christian ones.

David Cole #fundie

“Covenant” only means “binding pact”, but with religious undertones in some contexts. Marriage vows don’t typically demand that you “love and cherish” *only* the person before you, that’s usually just assumed. Also, poly people don’t always marry, sometimes in part because they can’t marry all their loves. In that case, no covenant.

Given his apparently very strict and specific ideas of religion, marriage, and covenants, I would suspect that he thinks that non-Christians can’t marry and Christians can’t divorce.

Kevin Osborne #wingnut #conspiracy

…This is going to be a new form of literal blood libel isn’t it? Sigh.

jerrycan dan #conspiracy

Selwyn Duke #transphobia #dunning-kruger

This type of proclamation is partially based on studies done in the 1960s. Using the original (outdated) terminology:

1. Someone does not become a “transsexual” until after sex-change surgery. (A definition which not everyone agreed with even back then.)
2. Transsexuals have more mental health problems on the average than the general public. (This was true.)
3. Therefore, sex-change surgery causes mental health problems. Or alternately, the real problem is mental health issues and a sex-change doesn’t help with that; fix those and it will be unnecessary. (Both are bad logic and you should feel bad.)

The trick buried in there is that #1 was used as an excuse to avoid before-and-after comparison for #3. To be fair there wasn’t nearly enough verifiable “before” data for the very first study, but that’s not a good excuse for the later ones.

Even that gets distorted by those who claim it as evidence. Everything else was pulled out of someone’s ass at some point because the anti-trans contingent needed it to be true.

Anonymous Coward #conspiracy #fundie

Jonathan Brentner #fundie #wingnut

An admission that Trump isn’t pure? Haven’t seen that in awhile. Of course, the stench of bothsiderism still clings to even that.

Andrew Anglin #sexist #conspiracy #racist

I remember back in the ’00s when guys like this were whining about “waif-fu” being unrealistic. They sort of had a point sometimes, when they weren’t being hypocritical about being fine with breaks from reality when male characters were involved. It’s fine to be annoyed when something that you thought was going to cater to your particular fantasies turned out not to, but that doesn’t give you the right to dump on anyone else’s.

Now it’s gotten to the point where profoundly incompetent men insist that they’re hypercompetent just by being men and women are incompetent just by being women, and demand that both reality and entertainment conform to this just to assauge their egos. Boys, I got bad news for you.

Fitting that Anglin is one of their spokesmen, because he’s the poster boy for “profoundly incompetent”.

Reddit_is_for_cucks #sexist #wingnut #psycho

I doubt most incels would qualify for military service due to being out of shape. But if things ever got so bad that a draft was reinstated and basically anyone who makes halfway decent cannon fodder is in, which is unlikely because humanity would probably nuke itself out of existence first… prepare to meet an “accident” in fairly short order if you try anything funny.

On the home front, when there’s a lot of women but a severe dearth of men due to war, the ones who stayed behind because they’re rapey sociopaths tend to “mysteriously” end up with their brains bashed out. I wonder why.

FidelCashflow #psycho

@Vanto: No such thing anyway. “Reverse hypergamy” would technically be if most members of either or both binary sexes tried to “marry down” whenever possible. Even by the idiotic concept of hypergamy being “all women want Chad” a theoretical dearth of Chads doesn’t mean incels suddenly become high picks.

Jayce #psycho #sexist

The good news is that, flaws with this plan aside, most genuine psychos end up in jail because they’re too stupid to come up with a decent plan or don’t have enough self control to make it work properly, and most wannabe psychos find that as vile as they are, they can’t quite work up the courage to do it. The bad news is, shut the fuck up, asshole.

FidelCashflow #psycho

Jumpgirl, Leucosticte and dsar9012 #sexist

There is no “rape-baiting”. There is only “predators” and “acceptable targets”. The former need to be kept away from ordinary humans. The latter needs to not exist as a concept.

MartyF #pratt #dunning-kruger

mylifeistrash #sexist

No, “most people” do not start having sex at age 15. There were plenty of 15-year-olds who bragged about it, but most of them were liars. (Past tense because the unnamed post-millenial generation is probably less sex-obsessed than most of those before them.) The stats don’t start hitting “most people” until the mid-to-late 20s, depending on how you define “most”.

Gregg Buell #crackpot #conspiracy #racist

Okay, no, there is not some secret cabal holding back technological development. For example, we could not have realistically built a moonbase in 2002. It would have been a horrendous cost that would not have been worth it. The necessary technologies didn’t start becoming mature enough to even consider such a thing until around 2017-2018. Even now, we still need to get the engineering kinks worked out. Likewise, the “electric windmill car” would never have been more than an inconvenient-to-use toy for the ultra-rich until the development of better batteries, and the state of California mandating that they be built anyway was a well-intentioned but dumb idea at the time.

…Also, until we can manufacture and contain antimatter in bulk, we’re not leaving the solar system. That is a long way off. Probably not for a few centuries. You can’t just “go galt” to escape the nonexistent conspiracy by traveling to another solar system if it takes millenia to get there. Your distant descendants would likely find an already-thriving civilization there in the unlikely chance that anything survived the trip.

Sometimes game-changing technologies take longer than expected to get to market because it disrupts various established players, so they disrupt it right back. That may sometimes be a conspiracy in the ordinary sense of the term, but it’s not some nefarious force purposefully and secretly keeping humanity back.

Sharia_Now #sexist #transphobia

Sigh. If you’re AMAB (Assigned Male At Birth), and either actually trans or nonbinary-but-rounds-off-to-woman, and are considering transitioning because your body feels wrong, then please do transition if you can. You’ll be much happier that way, despite that it won’t solve all your problems and you might end up with a few new ones.

If you’re mostly looking to escape the pressures of the toxic version of masculinity, or just desperate to get laid, then please don’t. It won’t solve any of your problems and will create a lot of new ones. While I absolutely don’t recommend suicide, suicide would be a less cruel thing to do to yourself. There are better ways to accomplish those things, even if you can’t see them or they seem impossible.

You can probably count the number of “feminists” who want to literally castrate all male-bodied people on the fingers of one hand. For all practical purposes, they don’t exist. Ignore idiots like the OP who say things like this.

(Preaching to the choir, I know, but lurkers exist, so just in case…)

wicker white #fundie #homophobia

It’s funny how there are people who claim that (their version of) Christianity is the only religion, and there are also people who claim that Christianity is the only non-religion. They’re not the same people, granted, but still funny.

Jabari Smith #racist #conspiracy

I’ve noticed that highly liberal Christians mostly subscribe to the idea of “hippie Jesus” and highly conservative Christians mostly subscribe to the idea of “wrathful Jesus”. The Jesus as written in the actual Bible is a little of both.

So basically this is a claim that the “hippie Jesus” idea is an eeeeevil Jewish plot to undermine… something. Family values or morality I guess?

sylviacroft #fundie #homophobia

I’m thinking that a lot of fundies are operating on the assumption that humans are born a blank slate. In addition, corruption is easy and not always voluntary on the part of the corrupted, removing corruption is a heroic undertaking, and failing to make that heroic undertaking is willingly embracing sin.

I don’t know if it’s true, but it would explain a lot. Why they want to keep any form of deviation from sexual and gender “norms” hidden from children - to prevent that kind of “corruption” from happening in the first place.

speedtypingincel #wingnut #sexist #psycho #dunning-kruger

So incels are the sexual equivalent of Sovereign Citizens / Freemen-on-the-Land now?

I mean, the “loophole” of “they consented to sex under condition X, I tricked them into thinking condition X was in effect, they withdrew consent once they realized they were tricked, I ignored this because I define consent as something which cannot be withdrawn even if fraudulently obtained” isn’t new. It’s as old as humanity, and not even only practiced by men. But it’s the same kind of thinking: attempting to abuse loopholes which don’t actually exist for personal gain. Because they have special insight into the “true” meaning of words and laws, which gives them some kind of special power. And they might even get away with it for awhile if they keep it low-level, because it’s rarely worth challenging delusional, self-centered idiots.

SchrodingersDick #sexist #crackpot

…Sounds like you’re the one projecting your own “traits and values” (read: fantasies) there, buddy.

Judah_Earl #psycho #wingnut

TaimuRadiu #conspiracy #transphobia #homophobia #racist

Dustin_Bromain #sexist

The whole “Women are a hivemind” meme comes from men/boys who were never very social and had virtually no social interaction with girls/women (aside from maybe their mother). There are two concepts they have trouble grasping: 1.) Most women talk to each other. Generally moreso than men, for safety reasons. 2.) Most people conform to their particular social environment to varying degrees, but they’re not necessarily acting the same way outside of it.

Given such limited and superficial understanding, largely observing human behavior in environments where clique-ish behavior is common, and largely ignoring the male half of that environment… “women are a hivemind” is a semi-reasonable conclusion, while still being laughably wrong.

fullbloodedwhitemale #wingnut #ableist

David Clayton #fundie

Neggr #sexist

@DLaurier:
“Sure. Let me get back to you after I change my bone structure! Oh, wait, I can’t.” - The incel version of sarcasm
“Nobody cares how u look. Fix ur shitty personality” - Incel mockery of the typical response to the above
“Lies. All women are shallow.” - What incels say of anyone who thinks their personality is the main issue