I have not yet had to learn evolution in Biology 1. But I do not wish to learn it in my podunk school. However, I think that it has a place in our schools so we can better understand it. I am just saying that the Theory of Creation should be taught instead of the Hypothesis of Evolution...
Why is it fair if evolutionists can have their religion in debates, but not anyone else?
Moral reasons why evolution and survival of the fittest is wrong:
10. You get into a car accident and it's your fault. The car you hit is totalled. You don't have to pay damages because your car was more fit to survive.
9. You get into a car accident and it's your fault. Someone dies. You don't have to pay damages because you were more fit to survive.
8. There should be no doctors. If your immune system can't stomach a virus, you're not fit to survive. The poor and the starving shouldn't be helped because they're also not fit to survive.
7. We can have sex with anyone and everyone because we're helping the human race reproduce.
6. Stealing is acceptable.
5. Murdering and killing is acceptable.
4. There's no such thing as responsibilty. It's everyone to the last man.
3. Life has no meaning besides helping my race evolve.
2. We are animals.
1. There is no such thing as right and wrong. There is no such thing as morals.
(Evolution is scientific FACT.)
if that is so, how come, monkeys at the zoo dont turn to humans randomly?
or how about their offspring?
(You cant prove any of that as a fact. Who are you or a book to say homosexuals are going to "hell"?)
the book has been here longer than faggots, and said so, before anal-suckers, decided to ass-dick-ass lovers.
they will burn! you too for your unbelief
(Oh look. Someone bringing pedophiles into a discussion about gays. How predictable.)
Why? As far as i see, it fits most of your reasons for allowing Homosexuality, as long as the child is willing.
i think evolution is false cuz it hasnt been proven yet. darwin wrote a book about how he thinks man might have come to be and everybody believes him.
if i were a scientist and i wrote a book about how vegetation can communicate with ppl telepathicly would u believe me? also evolution contradicts itself. i dont know wat its called but there is a certain beetle that is so odd they could not find anything it could have possibly evolved from. there have been fossilized footprints found of a mans footprint stepping on a small animal (again i cant remember wat its called i'm not a scientist) that shouldve been extinct millions of years before man came into existence. also if man was so simple and were prehistoric cavemen when they first came into existence why did the fosilized footprint have shoes? also in the bible (might i remind u the bible is not a religious book but is instead a history book written over one thousand to four thousand years ago) the book of Job chapter 40 verses 15-19 it mentions dinosaurs while man was existent. there is no real proof to evolution being real. so if creationism isnt real, find a new theory cuz your wrong.
there the christian has answered.
Wrong. The fact we are a melting pot means that all those who are different from us join in and adapt or assimilate to our way of life. Diversity is not promoted in a melting pot because unmixed materials have a weak structure. Perhaps you are thinking of a chamber pot, which America is not.
Diversity is perversity.
[Speaks for itself]
Your rejection of religion has nothing to do with the fact that you won't kill people. You don't try to kill people because you don't have the power to, at least, not without losing your own life in the process. Therefore, you cannot assert your version of morality over them. If your version of morality states that people should not murder others, then I am afraid you hold a moral that was influenced by Biblical law. Moreover, if someone has the power to kill you, then your idea of morality becomes incorrect. How you like that?
[Snipping the post to the amusing portion - It's a persecution complex rant.]
How would you feel if we started making fun of your mother, or your siblings, or your girlfriend? God, and Jesus, and the Virgin Mary are all exponentially more important to us
Actually not only Christians and Homosexuals. I would definitly add Islam in there for they despise homosexuality more than Christians and will always despise it. In many Islamic countries, you can go to jail for performing Homosexual acts and in some of the extreme countries, maybe even death. The homosexuality act and marriage should be completely destroyed and removed from our society. It’s actually pathetic that it is still around.
You're partly right but mostly mistaken. Public schools don't discriminate against any particular religion: they discriminate against every religion. And it's not just that the proven minor adaptations are being taught in public schools, it's that unproven and impractical concepts of total naturalism, under the blanket term "evolution", are being shoved down students throats as if it were the gospel truth.
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How to trap an atheist: Serve him a fine meal, then ask him if he believes there is a cook.
(To a gay male poster)
Are all homos as stupid as you? Actions arnt a bad thing? Use more logic in that and point out what actions you are refering too because you can't possibly mean all actions but I'm assuming that your brain capacity does not exceed a gr.2 so it can be possible for you to say that. Apparently 3.9 billion people care about what my god says. ( I am refering to Christianity, Islam and Judasm combined)
Listen kid, go get some education and then come debate with me because debating on your level will be both a waste of time for me and you and Im sure you don't want to waste your time because there is alot of little boys for you to bang on.
[On George Carlin]
That's too bad. I'm sorry to hear that he DIED. But ya know, I think he's down there right now, screaming up at us. He was funny when he wasn't bashing God, the Bible or Christianity. In accordance with his wishes, I will NOT keep him in my thoughts.
(Evolution as a theory is not proven and I'll agree, but none the less it is a theory developed through scientific observations. There was nothing scientific about the development of creationalism or genesis.)
Actually that's untrue. Creation is a very viable scientific viewpoint, but the only problem is that it is a miraculous event and therefore those who debate it scientifically have to not only support it through the science of a young earth but also combat the theories to the contrary.
(So again when you debate this we are debating why we would teach evolution over creationalism in science class.)
I don't think you should because evolution is no more defensible from the evidence than you accuse creationism to be, especially when you combine it with atheism. If you are an atheist evolutionist explain the creation of the first cell? As an evolutionist explain how mutations lead towards dramatic changes?
Intelligent design explains things as they are. Species were created for the enviornments they now exist in and genetic variation creates a specialization within kinds that further specializes a species. Therefore mutations have limits and cannot transcend the type of animal they were begun in as indicated by the famous genetic experiment involving fruitflies.
Atheism will always fall before Religion. All Atheist know this just as all christians should. Faith, Religion and our belief in God gives us the ability to reconcile the logical with the illogical. What you Atheist call illogical, we christians see as more than logical. What you Atheist see as impossible, we christians see as to simple. The enemy of logic is strong faith. A unshakable faith that lends a open ear to others arguments but does not shake the foundation of faith. This is how Atheism is beaten. God is coming and I want you to quote me on that. You atheist are being given too many chances and you know what I am going to keep trying. Because I love you all and I want you all to be happy. I want you all to know the happiness of Christ and to embrace you all in christian brotherhood. It hurts me that our beliefs have created a schism that only seems to further seperate us. I don't see you as my enemy and I mean it. You are not my enemy only your ideologies.
I just don't undestand why people believe evolution, as in macro-evolution, is the more logical answer when no one has even seen it happen or truly 100% prove it. In science, everything that has been proven can happen anyday, like chemical science, physics, and even biology to an extent. Macro-evolution because then you would see it and even logically, it's far-fetched and requires even MORE faith than creation. Micro-evolution is true because it deals with genetics and it has shown to be true since it explains how someone grows or adapts and the Bible does not go against it at all (Surprising, isn't it?).
To me, it seems people only want to believe in macro-evolution is because it allows them not to believe in God, basically gives them some sort of reason to not believe in God, and I believe that it's childish.
I haven't read that part yet, so I wouldn't know. However, God is God. He created man, therefore he can erase man as well. It's mankind who is messing around with death. Think of it this way: If somebody spent 5 years and ten million dollars making a beautiful clay sculpture, would it be illegal for the creator himself to destroy it? No, as he has a purpose of doing so, but that action would be illegal for somebody else.
[On Pregnant Women Drinking]
Oooooh but it's their body, they should be allowed to do whatever they want.
Seriously though, pregnant women should not be allowed to drink, smoke, or do drugs, and any that do should be institutionalized where they will be strapped to a bed for the rest of their pregnancy and force fed, and then after they give birth they receive a mandatory procedure to tie their tubes until they prove that they are fit mothers. Believe it!
[It's only going to become a child after nine months of pregnancy and birth.]
No, it becomes a person right at conception. Think about it. The egg inside the mother will just sit and do nothing if left alone. Nothing changes about it, it doesn't grow, it doesn't develop, etc. The moment it is fertilized something wonderful happens, then the growth, the development and all the other wonders of life start to happen. "Oh, it's just a clump of cells" doesn't work. A clump of cells that isn't alive won't do anything. The fact that the embryo is growing and developing proves it is alive.
Concerning stem cell research, the embryo should not have been taken out in the first place because the moment it was removed that little child was sentenced to death. I think it would be best now to treat them as any other human and give them a proper burial as much as possible.
A boy who disgusts his reproductive organs and wish he had a females body (or even acts like a female) is gay in my books. Vise versa for females. I know what homosexual is.
(Homosexuality is in fact, natural)
Irrelevant. What occurs in nature is not the definition used to define what is natural for humans. We mean what is natural for humans is what is good and productive for humans. What animals do is irrelevant, since animals do many sick and barbaric things as well. Therefore, homosexuality is not natural for humans.
Atheist ideology is a ideology of fear and denial. They hide behind their pathetic science and empty logic and ignore the true power behind the universe. It’s really sad because they are so arrogant and have absolutely no reason to be. All I have to say is this either you bow now or you bow later but you will bow. Homosexuality is considered a form of sodomy or unnatural sex. That means that if you support homosexuality you also support beastiality. Man was never meant to love other men.
Well, Mr. Atheist, you've got me cornered. I'll admit that. I do not, however, admit defeat. The fact that I am aware and I can imagine is proof enough that there is a God. As J. R. R. Tolkien said, the imagination brings one closer to the Divine.
As for the wolf-kid, there was another incident like that in France. A boy lived in the woods for 13 or so years and was finally found. They taught him social things and manners, but he never fully became a "regular person". I think he died around 20. This proves that man needed an intelligent source to learn from. That is, God. [...]
I think your "extrapolation" for the non-existence of God is more ludicrous.
Well I believe in a god, but lets say your friend was right, or Atheist are right, and religion is only something to comfort us when we die. That must make Atheist, real assholes, alot of atheists like to convert believers and diss religion ect.. so that just means they don't want you to feel good about dieing they want you to suffer, so if your friend is right then that must make atheists fucking pricks.
Specifically, as these doctors were not willing to help the homosexual become pregnant (not just refusing to treat her in general), and modern research would justify them on this issue on multiple fronts.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/apr/040428c.html
Again, while I am against homosexuality primarily based on valid religious reasons, I'm not advocating homophobia like you were spewing earlier. I'm simply saying that these doctors shouldn't be forced by law to do something when that something has so much going against it. The fact that you can't understand the difference is due to your social stigma, not mine. I only made this post as a last attempt to get you to see reason here, but if your previous posts are any indication it's a wasted effort. Go ahead and get in the last word, because I'm not going to respond to you anymore.
I don't understand why lots of people nowadays like mocking Jesus..
Listen..
Jesus was born before us more than 2000 years ago.
We never see Jesus, or even know him personally but we heard his existence from the bible and Jews' history.
But what is the benefit for us if we're mocking him because we do not accept his teaching?
God never pushes you to believe him, he gives you free will.
When some true christians or pastors commit sins, it's not always God's fault! Pastors/Christians are humans, they can make a mistake.
Satan influences a lot of people from believing God, Satan knows jesus more than us, he was ex-angel before the fallen, I know why some of us don't believe in supernatural things because we cannot see the spirits around us and we trap in physical body.
Also remember life is very short, someday we will see the real Jesus.
We Know God Exists because:
1. the universe could not always have been here, nor could it have made itself from nothing [...]
3. consciousness, that is, self-awareness is non-physical and could not arise from atoms and molecules [...]
5. the laws of physics cannot account for broad and extraordinary features of the solar system [...]
7. human behavior indicates the existence of the soul and spirit and the real existence of ideas indicate the existence of a non-physical reality
8. higher biological functions like sight, flight, and echo-location are so wildly and irreducibly complex they could not evolve in stages
9. apart from the existence of God, logic and reason have no foundation, and thus leading atheists deny the objective nature of the laws of logic
10. God has revealed Himself uniquely in the Bible and confirmed its claims through scientific statements, prophecies, and many other wonderful proofs that God became flesh in Jesus Christ, who was crucified by Pontius Pilate, and rose from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures, and that those who trust in Him will have everlasting life.
Cheers to the existance of God!
What say ye?
(Actually homosexuality does catch on, check out the Romans for instance. It was literally culturally expected that men had several lovers; wives were almost strictly there to make babies and carry on the name.)
However I will list some other societies:
The Greeks
Sodom and Gomorah
Ancient India
The American Indians
(For more feel free to google it.)
History proves the moral degredation that occurs from it and furthur destroys the argument of "oh, it'll never catch on".
By the way, I asked whether or not people on the opposition were actually concerned with the catching on thing and I recieved the response I thought I would. Basically, they don't care if it catches on or not. Well, my point is that history does destroy any argument stating that homosexuality when permitted does catch on and history furthur destroys any argument stating the homosexuality doesn't degredate society. (Again, research it if you don't believe me)
[Regarding someone who supposedly discovered Noah's Ark]
It would be very, very, intresting if that is the real thing, but atheists will always deny what dosn't match exactly to their beliefs.
(By destroying these social barriers that create hate, discrimination, and violence we help make the world a more peaceful place)
I argue that legalization would promote hate, discrimination, and violence against homosexuals. There would be lynch mobs if such a thing were legalized.
(You would preach intolerance of a group of people and how they wish to live and believe that this helps society when history has shown the opposite.)
History has shown that homosexuality destroys civilizations, such as ancient Greece and Rome. The Netherlands and Scandinavia are also starting to feel the negative affects of promoting same-sex marriage and homosexual.
I'm really happy with the homosexual laws in middle east right now. No rights and if any homosexual act is witness, prison. I love them. I hope it's spread.
(were you ever to meet a gay man and not run away you might find they're normal people like you meet everday and not intent on raping you with a piece of pipe and corn.)
I have friends who are homosexual and I know that they are normal in every other respect. They also keep their private lives to themselves and don't talk to me about what they do in the privacy of their own homes. They also acknowledge the fact that being gay is a CHOICE for them. They also show disgust at idiots that think they are arguing on their behalf when in reality they don't want same-sex marriage to be legal. They think marriage is a one man one woman union and should stay that way.
However, I am not against homosexuals. I am against same-sex marriage. Big difference. If I were against homosexuals, then I would not be considered their friend. I am against homosexuality as a deathstyle, and it is because I care about the PEOPLE who are trapped in that deathstyle. You just don't get it. You have been brainwashed to think that Christians hate people who are not like them. That is completely wrong. We have compassion for them and we try to help them. I try to witness to my friends so that they can get out of the deathstyle known as homosexuality. People like you oppress homosexual people.
Think about it. Which side tells gay people that they cannot make the choice to change, and that they have no power to change what they were born as? Your side. Which side tells them that they have free will and can choose to be whatever they want to be in life? My side. We are the ones that tell them that they can better themselves and live normal lives. You people are the ones trying to make it so they don't even try to change. You are the ones trying to take their hope away. You are the ones encouraging them to live in an unnatural and perverted deathstyle that produces no children and carries a high risk of viral infection and emotional problems. You're the oppressors, not us. You are the homophobes, because you are the ones that hate people enough to tell them that they were born gay and they cannot change no matter how hard they try.
homosexuality has been considered as a mental problem,the love that they are sharing is only lust,and their relationships will not last long.
[How exactly does gay marriage harm heterosexual rights]
I do think though that before I go I need to make one thing clear: defining marriage as being between a man and a woman only does not force gays to not be gay as I have heard many liberals say. It merely states that we are not obligated to recognise it. To be honest, the only forceful thing is that those who oppose it are being trying to be forced by law to recognise it. That's what would happen wouldn't it. We would have no legal choice correct. Isn't that a volation of my rights. Well, I digress.
(But what are we talking about in the US? I would say the founding fathers in the decleration of this country said
Quote: Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
In that case, then yes, homosexual sex could be seen as neccecary.)
Oh well then so could bestiality. Wait, bad example. I forgot that you are openly FOR bestiality. Well then so could sex with little kids. However, all of these are unnecessary, including gay sex as I have proved elsewhere.
This is about marriage and pursuit of happiness though. Pursuit of happiness does not equal happiness. It only means freedom to seek that which will make you happy. Now of course even you will admit that this freedom has limits and restrictions. That pursuit cannot conflict with other people's happiness or freedoms. Which is why we don't have anarchy in the United States of America. Now, same-sex marriage made legal by anyone other than the voting majority infringes on this pursuit of happiness, and it does this to EVERY voter regardless of their position because it takes away their say in an institution that belongs to the public. It does not infringe on a gay person's pursuit of happiness because marriage was a one man one woman union long before homosexuals starting demanding it be changed to suit their wants. So if not being married makes them so unhappy, then they should marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else does. Everyone has a restriction on the pursuit of happiness in terms of redefining marriage to suit their wants, regardless of their sexual orientation. That restriction is that they cannot redefine something that the public owns as a whole. It must be voted on by the public and the majority will must be upheld. This is what the forefathers intended. Believe it!
And that is checkmate.
But there are some of us that believe in all powerful God that created this world and He/She/It is beyond logic.
A omnipotent God doesn't need to go by the laws of logic, because nothing is beyond God.
So that's why logic doesn't play a part in Christianity.
I already know what kind of posts are coming next, so I won't be looking at them.
(Yet another fundie opposed to embryonic stemcell research)
you claim an embryo is nothing but a clump of cells grouped together, well look down at yourself thats all you are as well albeit you are several trillion cells but its the same its just as human in when the sperm and egg join as it is when it is born and grows into an adult. and once they start sanctioning it to be okay with embryos then whats to stop them from going further, it would be slow and may not happen but once people got used to embryos being killed as acceptable then the next step wouldnt seem so bad just like embryos dont seem so bad to some people now, i could give u some more evidence but its late and i just got home from work and am not thinking to clearly right now
I wont donate my organs unless theres a really really special reason.
Im not anymore religious then the next guy, but theres a take on this from the quran. What it says basically is Allah/God owns you, ur his slave. Your body is a lease, you dont own it, it doesnt belong to you. Its just something to connect your soul from the spiritual world to the physical world. As with everything else, if somebody lends you something, you dont F it up then give it back.
I wouldnt expect anybody to donate for me either. I think id rather die.
[Ever the bigot, Believe It! comments on same-sex love]
But that is what I mean. Love can be shared between anyone, regardless of gender, age, race, religion, etc. However, love is caring for others and wanting to help them and be there for them. Love is laying down your life for someone.
But when that love crosses the line into romantic, physical, or sexual love, that is when same-sex relationships become wrong. And that kind of love is more like lust because the genders are incompatible with their own kind in these ways. That should not be the basis for marriage either.
(After a host of legal arguments claming that "Massachusetts judges violated the state constitution in legalizing gay marriage)
And there is the irrefutable argument! According to the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the Supreme Court had NO authority in making a ruling over a marriage issue, and they CERTAINLY had no authority in legalizing same-sex marriage! They are fascists through and through. I suspect they were bought by the gay mafia. In fact, I am sure they were, since the lawsuit was filed by several gay couples who wanted to get married and carried out by, that's right, GLAAD!!!
President Bush should have launched an investigation, and taken action to prevent the high appeals court from blocking the appeal to take it to the Supreme Court. He also should have sent the IRS to breath down the necks of those four prostitutes in the Supreme Court and audit them to see if there were any large sums of money that could not be accounted for. Believe it!
[On a girl that was jailed with and raped by multiple men. Note: this portion of the post is colored white to make it less visible, just highlight it.]
This is why it tells us in the Bible to protect women and to keep them under guidance. This kind of thing is liable to happen if we get too femenistic.
[Slightly old, but, still amusing. Hadn't read it out fully]
No I do not believe that evolution exists on the small scale. Adaptation exists, but that is not evolution. “Evolution” denotes progress, which if you believe that happens in nature then you're flat out wrong. Things can go forward or backward. The problem with evolution is that it requires some all knowing force behind it to make everything advance. If this were all left up to random occurrence or chance, then things would not be this perfect and balanced. Things would die out and take other things with them. Plus, even if you were right, it would only prove that one species can better itself to become a stronger form of the same species, not that the species turns into another one, or splits off into five different species that begin to evolve.
Reduction of rape? Not bloody likely, considering all the "it's never the woman's fault" rhetoric thrown around all the date-rape shit I've been forced to attend as an 18-year old male. The best way to reduce rape is for women not to go out with the intention of getting hammered, and not to tease the single most poweful desire in impaired males. However ethically nice it may seem to create a sacrosanct right to get smashed and play with men's desires, it's doing a generation of young girls a disservice to tell them that such behaviors shouldn't increase their risk of getting raped, because they do increase the risk. When self-righteous women's rights rhetoric turns into bad advice, that's when it pisses me off.
[In response to "There's also the issue of indoctrination - if your religion is true, is it fair for God to punish those that were taught as children that a different religion is the true religion?"]
For the last one, I would say yes because that is justice. If the law is true, then the law has the right to punish whoever misinterpreted it or just straight up ignored it. Also, they had plenty of time to find about Christianity, which is by the way, not a religion but a relationship, and are smart enough to research about it. If they did not, then it's not God's fault, its theirs and they must pay the consequences for their actions. One should not blame something like this on God but rather on themselves because there is no reason not to find about Christianity.
One would wonder if these depictions of God as "evil" were so damaging, why would they be in the Bible in the first place? Shouldn't they have edited them out to make God look good? They didn't for one reason: God will fight for you. If you are ever in trouble, God will help you fight your way out if you love Him. The Israelites loved God, so when they had to go to war, God helped and fought for them.
I understand why a man would be attracted to another man and why a woman would be attracted to another woman. It is the same reason why an adult would be attracted to a child. The reason is because it's messed up and perverted. Some people get off on doing or thinking about perverted things.
Once again you misunderstand christianity. God gave us all free will for one purpose so that we could voluntarily love him. We were all born nonbelievers that is what makes are return to the father that much sweeter. God does not want to punish you he wants to love you but if you resist every attempt he makes to reach out to you then he has no choice. The bible is not without flaw but I believe that is so so that we don't complacently rely on it. The doubt created by the fallibility of the bible increases our faith.
Paedophiles can't help being attracted to children and many avoid sexual contact with them altogether. Those who have sex with a child after the child gives consent are not acting immorally. As a libertarian, I believe that free will is the most important factor of morality. Those who say that paedophilia is wrong without having any idea why they think that, other than because they have been taught to think it by society, are usually very ignorant and closed-minded individuals.