scientists would know about it

Chris Broussard #fundie #homophobia thinkprogress.org

An ESPN sportscaster went on the air on Monday to publicly gay-bash Jason Collins, the NBA player who came out Monday morning in an emotional op-ed, the first active male player of a major American sport to come out.

Speaking on ESPN’s Outside The Lines, Chris Broussard said that he would “not characterize [Collins] as a Christian.” He made the comments in front of his openly gay colleague, LZ Granderson:

BROUSSARD: Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly, like premarital sex between heterosexuals. If you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits. It says that, you know, that’s a sin. If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, whatever it maybe, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. So I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I don’t think the bible would characterize them as a Christian.

Granderson reacted strongly to Broussard’s comments, saying, “I really don’t need Chris or anyone else telling me if I’m a Christian because Jesus tells me I am.”

Broussard has previously written that he believes the NBA is “ready” for the first out player. But in that same essay, he also said it would make him “a little uncomfortable” to shower with a gay teammate. He also cast his doubt that being gay is biological, writing, “there are many scientists on both sides of the genetic debate, and I believe a truly objective person would admit the biological evidence for homosexuality is far from definitive.”

jbozz21 #fundie evcforum.net

When it comes to support for the Bible most people don't even believe in the Bible for physical, tangible or scientific reasons. We believe in the Bible by moral and spiritual experiences with the teachings of the Bible which can all be proven to be true by simple practice. Just like you can go outside and touch sand if you want to know that it is real not believe in someone else telling you it is real, you actually experience it using your senses. (ie. if you want to know if prayer works, you can actually pray and when you receive an answer then you have evidence that it actually works,and you don't stop there you keep trying the experiment watching it work over and over again. Plus you hear the experiences of many people all over the world who's results had been reproducible in your own life....etc...etc...) That is an experiment that is much more reliable to me in my opinion than someone taking DNA and putting through some chemicals and saying "yup, the apes are your cousins..." by some scientist whom I have no idea what motives lie behind their desires to disprove the claims of the Bible, nor whether they are acting out of bias or whether their claims are actually legitimate. Who's experiment's are not reproducible to me. It would be very very Hasty of me to discount the Bible because of someone elses claims especially not knowing their motives or verifying what they say. Which makes me wonder why so many of you are so Hasty to discount the Bible. If you have tested the bible on it's own claims about how to live your life then you would know that the principles work and bring greater happiness. No man-made system can nor does do that perfectly like the Bible can.

Bev Jo #fundie bevjoradicallesbian.wordpress.com

Most men pollute the earth for the sheer pleasure of it, not just as the by-product of their industries. Men love to leave their mark as a territorial statement, just as many male animals mark “their” territories by spraying. Of course, human males also mark with urine, as anyone who’s been in a public telephone booth knows. Even when public toilets are available, men leave their smell and mark on objects in ways females don’t.1

Some Lesbians say in anger that men are such “animals,” but that’s insulting to animals. Of course all mammals, including humans, are animals, but men are the least natural of animals. European-descent men in particular seem to have the goal of creating a completely artificial world2 and have left their mark on the earth forever by altering the natural landscape in many places. They kill forests, build their ugly cities, change the land’s shape with their destructive farming and mining methods, and they’re even changing the weather.3 They’ve exterminated countless plants and animals, and their murder of entire species is accelerating. Their radioactive and toxic chemical wastes will contaminate many parts of the earth for hundreds of thousands of years. Plutonium, which is completely man-made, remains deadly for 250,000 years. One sixteenth of a millionth of a gram can kill a person, and men have already made thousands of pounds of it.4 If we didn’t know this was true, it would be hard to believe. Even so, it’s still unimaginable except in nightmares. Man has truly left his mark on his territory and, for the most part, he’s very proud of himself.

People speak of “man’s inhumanity to man,” because the effect on females isn’t even considered. But Man enjoys his power and cruelty. It makes him more of a man. A male nuclear scientist who watched numerous nuclear explosions said what a “rush” it was because, “A male human being likes to see an explosion.”5 (And there are over 50,000 nuclear weapons on earth.)

Adhemarde #fundie politicaloutcast.com

This is the pathetic state of "science" today. Evolution, other than intraspecies accommodation, is unproven, and far less likely than intelligent design from a purely logical point of view. Science is supposed to be empirical and unbiased, but evolution depends absolutely on atheistic materialism, and will not allow anything contrary to that view, because to do so would make their entire house of cards tumble to the floor. Global warming is the same. Many scientists call the elaborate schemes proposed by evolutionists a series of "evolutionary Just So Stories:, and they are indeed that. While the earth indeed warms and cools, we do not know over what timeframe that occurs, what causes it, whether man's activities have any effect, or even if that change would or would not be beneficial. Yet you cannot even speak to a university group, much less occupy a faculty position, unless you subscribe to the liberal dogma. Even if science were the answer to all our problems, the one-sided pseudo-religion that passes for it will get us nowhere in our search for truth.

Franko #fundie libertydwells.com

Dr. Schweitzer CAN'T come to any other conclusion because she is trapped. The possibility that the bones are not millions of years old can not be entertained, NO MATTER WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS - even if it's screaming in her, or any other believers in long ages of evolution's, face. The Priests of Evolution will not allow it. Dr. Schweitzer needs grant money, and anyone who goes against the grain will lose their funding also.

The obvious conclusion, if one has no bias, is that the bones can not possibly be anywhere near 68 million years old. The only reason to claim that the bones are that old is by faith in the religion of evolution, not by scientific observation.

So how old are the bones? No one can know for sure, but OBSERVATIONAL SCIENCE says they are not millions of years old. Any other suggestion would be one of faith, not science.


So when scientists claim to know that dinos died out 68 million years ago, I know they are wrong. They should know they are wrong, but they refuse to entertain the idea, they are in denial. They can't let science take them where it leads, they have blinders on.

Elizabeth Prata #fundie the-end-time.blogspot.ca

I don't know why scientists and unbelievers do what they do. Most of them are not trying to scientifically prove that the flood happened, they use science to prove it didn't. If they were scientifically honest they would understand that between the salinity of the seas, the difficulty in determining fossil age, and the fact that there are sea fossils on top of the Himalayas, they would see that science in fact proves the flood. Science proves the earth as young, creation of man, and the flood, as a matter of fact. Scientists ignore the science and pervert it to suit their reprobate minds just as the prosperity gospel preachers pervert the scriptures to pervert the word. It stems from the same source: satan the liar and the father of lies
As for the baby animals, I do not think it was any harder to care for them than an adult. Each has their own particular needs. Some theologians believe God put a spirit of docility into them so they could co-exist with each other and with man during the flood confinement. After all, God sent the animals to Noah and they docilely walked into the ark under their own steam. Noah did not have to hunt or trap them. So it seems they were already operating under a command of God. (Gen 6:20). It is not hard to believe their docility extended to the months on the ark and didn't end at the door when they walked in.

Vox Day #conspiracy wnd.com

Vaccine advocates – although propagandists would be a more accurate term – often correctly claim that there is no scientific evidence proving that vaccines have ever killed anyone or caused autism. Therefore, they claim vaccines can be considered the cause of nothing but a cure for cancer, an end to war and the elimination of all human disease except that caused by dirty, unvaccinated children who are homeschooled by religious bigots. To even consider the mere possibility of questioning the intrinsic and perfect goodness of vaccines, any vaccine given for any reason, is to be not only anti-science, but personally responsible for murdering anyone who died of a disease that would have been prevented by vaccination.

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The reason that the vaccine propagandist claim is correct is because there is also no scientific evidence that vaccines have not killed anyone or caused autism, because there is absolutely no valid scientific evidence on the matter. Most of the “science” in the studies that are widely cited by those who insist that vaccines are safe are simply statistical reviews, which involve as much use of actual science as polling former Playboy models. In the very few cases where an actual scientific experiment has been performed, the populations compared have not been between a vaccinated group and an unvaccinated control group, but rather two different groups that are both vaccinated to varying degrees.

The vaccine propagandists defend the failure of scientists to gather scientific evidence by begging the question. They insist that it would be unethical to permit a control group of children to go without vaccination, due to their assumption that the risks of vaccination are significantly outweighed by the dangers of the diseases vaccinated against. Thus, they perpetuate ignorance on the actual safety or danger of the current U.S. vaccine schedule.

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Now, it is true that VAERS is not an entirely reliable system. It is estimated that between 90 percent and 99 percent of all vaccine-related events go unreported. Because we are looking at such a small snapshot of the total number of events, it is possible that the statistically obvious death spike would disappear with a more reliable reporting system. However, there is an additional clue, because there is an additional statistical death spike that just happens to take place among children of precisely the same age, between two and four months.

That is deaths by Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, which is simply the medical term for “the baby died and no one knows why.” SIDS deaths have been reduced over the years by the sleeping position campaign – put them on their back, not their stomach – and by improved reporting that has increasingly identified asphyxiation deaths. But the problem persists, as does the mysterious SIDS death spike that just happens to take place at precisely the same age as the VAERS death spike and the vaccine spike in the U.S. vaccine schedule. Are these three statistical spikes necessarily related? No, but there is more than enough statistical correlation to indicate that some degree of causation is involved.

raml #fundie rr-bb.com

Before abortions were legal we had a pretty good world. We had people who invented different machines that made life easier and scientists who discovered many new vaccines and new antibiotics there were many great musicians and singers. There was crime too that has always been with us but it wasn't as in your face as it is today. People were nicer and had better manners and most went to church every Sunday. I know I really liked my life then. I remember being so shocked when abortions became legal no one thought it would it was considered so barbaric to kill babies in the womb. The best we could get from our politicians was don't worry your taxes will never go to murder babies so much for their promises today we do pay for them even though we don't want to. Our country really starting changing after that and really changed once those 60's hippies turned into politicians. There was also the new drug culture too. When I was growing up and in my teens I never knew anyone using drugs in fact even in college I didn't at first and then stayed away from anyone later if I found out they were. Things changed slowly at first but these past 15 yrs I have seen massive changes in life styles of the average person. Many no longer even believe there is sin or a moral way to live instead it is live and let live. The last 10 yrs has shoved the gay life styles down our throats and forces us to deal with them even if we don't want to. Now they want to pre select what kind of baby they have. They want to weed out what they consider to be defective or of the wrong sex. I am glad I'm getting older because if the end isn't soon I will be closer to going home by death because I really am having a hard time living in this crazy world we have today. We do still have the power of prayer and I guess I would rather have that than any other type of power.

Verisimilitude #fundie rr-bb.com

I've heard one to the effect that the earth is going to suddenly emit some massive electrical type of energy that will immediately disintigrate anyone who's molecules are particularly sensitive to the electrical field. For some reason, this will include only Christians and children.

I've also heard that the earth itself is going to become so disgusted with Christians, that it will generate, on it's own, an anti-gravity field that will cause all Christians to be sent into outerspace, to our doom.

My own personal opinion is that scientists will turn on the Hadron Collider at the same moment as the rapture, allowing 'scientists', politicians and Jesse and Al to blame the Hadron Collider for the sudden disappearance of millions of people. No one knows what will happen when it's turned on and it's just a thought that's gone through my mind for a while.

Lord willing, we'll hang around in the air for a few minutes so people can look up and see that we're with our Lord, without fear and rejoicing in His presence. That way some will accept the obvious, that it's the real rapture prophecied of by Paul in the first century Anno Domini. The majority would no doubt refuse to believe the evidence of their eyes.

Danny Cunnington #conspiracy maxkeiser.com

It’s more than just oil companies it’s the holders of power. Ultimately central control is food and energy. The nature of the devices mean that once they became widespread no one person or group can dictate conditions. The units are non consumable but they produce a consumable product which currently people have to constantly buy at a high price. This is the money pump of the whole system.

No one can hold power if they have no control. A nation of people who have abundant free or nearly free energy cannot be coerced or threatened by rent seeking parasites. The only way to hold power is to do so with the consent of the governed. No one government can ban it because it would be economic suicide as they would be hopelessly uncompetitive against nations that allowed it. It’s pretty tough to build a case for war or regime change citing the evils of clean non polluting abundance and universal freedom.

Free or alternative energy has been suppressed for a century. In 1900 engineers found that they could increase power on aero engines by mixing in water and overcome the problems of a lack of oxygen at high altitudes. It simply wasn’t allowed. Tesla developed wireless free energy 1920. Magnet perpetual motors in several different form came out in the 1930s along with engines running on purer water. The Hindenburg Zeppelin disaster was a staged event to demonise hydrogen before people could figure how it could be used.

All establishment scientists claim it’s impossible but that’s because of the education they received which has long been controlled. None of the designers are actually mainstream scientists but various inventors. Thus the scientists are gatekeepers because they would lose all credibility and be fired when one of these developments gets out.

The Japanese have had their water car for about 20 years. The South Koreans developed theirs in the last few years. The world’s biggest death squad NATO are at hand and the elite also have nuclear weapons and cyber viruses that can cause nuclear power stations to go into meltdown and cause a disaster. (Stuxnet).

That’s why nobody can do this publicly. The situation is a massive problem for the NWO elite. Once this gets out they are finished because you can’t base your power on an artificial scarcity of energy for a century in the face of a virtual limitless supply of abundant free energy that everybody knows about and individuals can produce this independently.

In the past they murdered inventors, stole their stuff or drove them into hiding. They got away with this because of their media control. They have now lost much of that control. The copyright regime they are trying to implement is their attempt to regain it but there’s too much opposition to it.

The people who have these technologies know that their safety is the rapid way information can be widely spread via the internet. When one breaks into public perception all the other jump out straight after. There’s going to be at least four different systems.

Gandhi's Fist #conspiracy breitbart.tv

Wow--where to start, where to start...?

First, the arguement. Climate change is inherent on this planet. Proof? 10,000 years ago, the entire planet was in the throws of a global ice age. Without the assistance of man, that ice--which was over 1 mile in depth over NYC--melted. All this without the assistance of man or observations by Al Gore. As it turns out, both the planets Mars and Saturn have experienced global warming at exactly the same time we did. How do we know this? NASA was good enough to provide global orbiters which amongst many beautiful photos, provided extraordinarily accurate temperature readings. Now, I'm no Bill Nye, but what could be the cause of global warming/cooling on a solar system wide scale. Hummm? Could it be...the sun? Add to this that Global warming/climate change "scientists" have been manipulating numbers to inflict odious taxes on the population (by the way--there is your motive) and there you have it; the world's greatest fraud.

No one, not a single person I know of either political stripe likes pollution and waste, but this eco-con artistry is more than that. It is not based on science, but statist political ambition, funded by carbon tax. Tax just for breathing.

Bill Nye is the second aguement that could be made here. Nye gets some funding by--wait for it--the public trough. That's right, he gets money from the government. The government wants money from us. Does anyone see--at the very least--a conflict of interest. Further, while Bill Nye is has training--primarily as an engineer, he is no atmospheric scientist. So basically, this interview would be like getting a botanist to discuss open heart surgery in humans. He isn't qualified. Just like Al Gore isn't qualified. A polical science major does not an atmospheric scientist make.

The facts of our climate are quite the opposite of the picture painted by the global warm--no, wait--climate change con artists. The earth has been cooling, globally since 1998. While there are pockets of hot weather, the trend is definitely towards colder temps. It does not take a savant like Gore, to figure out that something has to cool the atmosphere in order for it to snow at all. You folks have any idea what that "something" might be? My money is on the sun. Which brings us to the study of that blazing hot orb. The study of the sun (also compliments of NASA), have revealed a marked reduction in sunspots, a year's absence in fact. To those not knowledgeable about the study of the Heliosphere, this roughly translated means the sun is cooling a little. This year we've also posted record low temperatures, planet wide.

Al may have made a nice fictional movie, publicly funded scientists want to see us taxed and the left wing media like Madow might want us to support this agenda using pseudo scientific arguments, but now that we see what they're up to we're saying, "NO!". On a personal level, I'm also saying, "Al--eat my shorts."

Bryan Fischer #fundie afa.net

The question remains: is Gov. Perry right?

What follows is a straightforward, four-step refutation of the theory of evolution. The steps are easy to remember, and make a nice little cadence when spoken with a little rhythm: First Law, Second Law, Fossils and Genes. Armed with this truth, go forth and conquer.

[later on]


Before we even start, we ought to notice that, if evolution is true, there would be no way to know it. Because evolution teaches that everything that exists is the product of the random collision of atoms, this logically includes the thoughts I am thinking about evolution. But if my thoughts are the product of the random collision of atoms, there is no reason to think that any of them are true — they just are.

No one "random collision of atoms" can be said to be truer than another, any more than one randomly generated Rorschach ink blot can be said to be more correct than another.

As J.B.S. Haldane famously observed, "If my mental processes are determined wholly by the motion of atoms in my brain, I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true and hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms."

All right, here we go.

First Law of Thermodynamics. This law (note: not a theory but a scientific law) teaches us that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed. In other words, an honest scientist will tell you that there is nothing in the observable universe that can explain either the origin of energy or matter. By logical extension, then, matter and energy had to come into being by some force outside the universe.

What this means, then, is that science simply has no explanation for the most basic question that could possibly be asked: why is there something rather than nothing?

Creationists and Intelligent Design advocates have an answer to this question; evolutionists do not.

When you see a turtle on a fence post, what's the one thing you know? Somebody put him there. When you see a world hanging in space, what's the one thing you know? Someone hung it there.

It's futile to resort to the big bang theory, as some evolutionists are wont to do. They say they have an explanation for the origin of the universe: it began when a ball of incredibly dense matter exploded and flung the universe into existence. Okay, fine. Now: where did that incredibly dense ball of matter come from?

Even Aristotle saw that behind the existence of the universe had to be what he called a Prime Mover or an Unmoved Mover. If everything is the result of secondary causes, nothing would ever actually happen. Some great power had to be a primary cause of life, motion, energy, and existence.

If you walk into an office and you see one of those toys with the steel balls swinging left to right, right to left, virtually endlessly, the one thing you will know for an absolute certainty is that some force outside that toy had to start the whole thing by lifting the first ball and releasing it to clack against the others. The process you observe could not possibly have started all by itself.

Creation Science and Intelligent Design theory offers a Prime Mover, evolution does not.

Alexander Cornswalled #fundie #conspiracy cornswalled.com

For ten years, Dennis Markuze has been issuing death threats to atheists, journalists, entertainers and scientists. The deranged, inarticulate and repetitive nature of these threats have long been attributed to a diseased mind. Despite a decade of death threats, the Montreal police, who have jurisdiction over this person, have taken NO action against him.

Why?

A closer look at this man reveals a perplexing blend of alleged Christian fundamentalism and a near worship of Nostradamus.

Despite repeated efforts to engage him in conversation and discussion he has never done anything but repeat the same template driven insanity. There has been no variation, no thought, no research. It's as if the writing of Dennis Markuze is a character, a facade, and a poorly executed one at that.

Why put up this facade? And why are the Montreal police, the police department for a very liberal area, so determined to ignore an alleged conservative who is out for liberal blood?

The answer is simple. My theory is that Dennis Markuze is not the deranged madman he pretends to be. If he really were as violent and bloodthirsty as he claims, why would he attend and atheist convention with a backpack capable of concealing a bomb and do nothing but run?

The answer is simple. David Mabus (Dennis Markuze) is a deep cover liberal whose goal is to mock conservatives and make us look like psychotic lunatics. I suspect the Montreal police are taking no action against him, not because they'd rather he snap and kill someone first, as they claim, but because they already KNOW he's an act. The only rational reason for the Montreal police to take no action against a man who has been issuing death threats for ten years is if they know he's a fake and are in on it.

David Mabus (Dennis Markuze) I challenge you to do the right thing and confess your fraud. You are a fake, an act, a pretender. You are a liar defaming good Christian men and women with your routine. You are a sloppy, humorless, incompetent version of Borat. Stop libeling and slandering real Christians with your act.

Paul Dowdy #fundie newscientist.com

science confirms that life cannot arise from non-life SO= where did humans, animals,plant life come from? And science says there has to be a cause and effect so whats the cause. If a scientist could tell me that he knows where everything came from then i would believe that the bible is fake. but science will never be able to make sence think about it you keep coming back to how did it get started and science has no starting prosess for life. you cant take nothing and nothing and a little bit of nothing and put it togeter in a lab and creat anything. science dont even know how a cubit foot of space is created you know that stuff you walk threw ,air is in it ,your house is in it ,the earth is in it. you cant tell me space is just free theres no formula no math to figure it out. If you use worldly logic it just dont make sence you know science. the only logical answer is the unlogical one to use that something magical created everything wich would be god. Oh yeah i belive in the bible but i belive that it is older than alot of people do. The bible does say that the world is round spear mean round. and the the bible saying things like i will go to the end of the world doesnt mean they thought is was flat we still say that phrase today. and the bible knew that befor we did. the bible knew that there were spings in the bottom of the ocean and we didnt discover it until like 1970. Even if im wrong why would anyone want to live knowing that they are just going to die in that case i dont mean anything life is all for nothing. or you can beleve and get saved and you still dont have to live a sin free life thats why jesus died on the cross. you have nothing to lose if you beleve. and if you dont beleve you have nothing to gain even if the bible and god was not ture.

ThrowItUp #fundie imdb.com

Most scientists never even taken a class on evolution. And there are many more scientists who have actually taken time to investigate the validity of the theory have discovered it is bunk.
The truth is most scientists don't want the creation explanation because of the implications so they force feed the evolution fairy tale to people despite the evidence that goes against. For examples, more and more scientists have come out to say that Darwin's Tree of Life is false; random mutations (coupled with natural selection) decreases genomic information instead of increases; the fossil record shows special creation rather than evolution etc.

Evolution is the biggest lie people have fallen for. If I didn't know better I would think Satan is behind the lie to cast doubt on special creation. "No, no you who is more complex than all the machines and computers in the world combined evolved from a single cell which accidently formed billions of years ago." The world falls for it hook, line, and sinker. Satan didn't have to have the Bible burned or only in the hands of few evil men as in the era when the evil Catholic Church had control, he will just have people doubt it by propagating a bogus theory. Hardly anyone would know it's bogus because people are too lazy to research all the facts themselves.

ScepticsBane #fundie blogs.discovermagazine.com

It seems to me that Homeopathy does work.

Does it really? Maybe the people to ask are the patients and their Doctors, instead of a bunch of frustrated lab nitwits up on their statistics and double blinded, randomized, placebo controlled “studies”. The life threatening illnesses, and their cures, don’t happen in those labs, they happen in the real world, which, oh by the way, is not the domain of the lab b0ffins nor their politicized masters.

Can it possibly work and how? Can a rocket possibly carry men to the moon? How about lasers—are they possible? In the 1930's that would have been dismissed as nonsense.
Who knows until scientists and researchers have had a go at it. Could quantum phenomena be inovlved? Again, who knows until its researched. Neither side can be sure of anything till that’s done. Neither side has the edge on deciding and there’s still those doctors and patients insisting that they benefited from it. What are the odds it’s all placebo effect? Zero.

whoopn #fundie telegraph.co.uk

Let's have us a little science here, rather than uneducated conjecture as seems to be so prevalent on this post. You know...all of these answers are out there and are easily tangible if you read the bible and do a little bit of research that doesn't involve atheists and their pithy opinions.

Read this:
http://www.drdino.com/the-star-of-bethlehem-fact-or-fiction

Stop believing every atheist is smart, they are generally children looking for a place among the greats but sadly they have no greater accomplishment then trash talking what they do not understand. Nearly every great scientist was Christian: Newton, Maxwell, Legrange, and the list is huge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science).

The reason for this is they didn't spend all of their waking hours trying to disprove and everpresent fact. There is a God, He sent is Son to reconcile us to Him by taking our Sin and NAILING it to a cross.
Yes there was a virgin birth and no that is not normal.

Yes Jesus lived and died a sinless and unmarried God/man.

No the church is not perfect and never will be, in fact if you find a perfect church don't join it...you'll only mess it up.

No being Christian isn't about living your life trying not to sin, if it were then we'd all sit and do nothing so we couldn't sin. The POINT was that we WOULD do something, that we would tell the world about Christ's sacrifice so that you all can know Him.

Going to Heaven isn't about WHAT you know, its about WHO you know.

St. Peter is NOT standing at some pearly gate, the gate keeper is Christ and no one else.

And if you like to think of Christians as stupid and ignorant fools that have to leave their brains at the door when they go to church then you are sorely mistaken. To know Christ and to understand Him is the most deeply involving mental task you will ever try to undertake, and without Christ's salvation and the holy spirit living inside you one can NOT understand.

I don't judge you, I simply point out the fact that you can't stop judging others because of your own fear that everything I am typing is true and you know it.

James L. Melton #fundie av1611.org

Now we come to the wonderful world of TAXONOMY, where cartoon charts are used to artificially classify bones in order to "prove" evolution. This is where evolutionists develop a "disneyland" mentally and construct a chart which shows the earth to be about 4.5 billion years old. Then they proceed to divide this chart up into various time frames containing hundreds of millions of years each. As new discoveries are found, the scientists conveniently place them at selected places on the chart.

This would be a dandy little system, except for one minor problem: THEY'VE NEVER PROVEN THE ORIGINAL CHART! It's nothing more than blind guesswork. No one has ever proven that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. The chart is NOT scientific. In fact, many scientists believe that the earth isn't over 6,000 to 10,000 years old! Of course, all opposing views are ignored by evolutionary scientists, for they need a nice big time period in which to place their new findings. You've heard of people "buying time?" Well, evolutionists just DREAM IT UP.

Another "proof" for evolution is COMPARATIVE ANATOMY, the belief that similar bone structures prove animal kin through evolution. That is, if two different animals have similar bone structures, then they must have evolved from the same original ancestors. Of course, this is more

nonsense. Any scientist knows perfectly well that many such bone structures are produced by entirely DIFFERENT GENES, thus proving that they are in NO WAY RELATED! In fact, if similar bone structure proves anything, it proves that these animals were created by the same God!

livingfortruth #fundie redstate.com

I felt as if the world were in a haze, that was the day after Obama got elected. I knew then we were living on borrowed time, today was the end of the USA, welcome USSA. For Millions of Americans, their freedoms have been seized and dismembered as of today, they just do not know it—..yet. But they will, and it is too late to do anything about it. Soon there will be a requirement to be ID chipped, oh, it will be sold as something good, but it will be the branding of a slave, only this brand will enable the person to be tracked.
Some will wonder, “Why is the military allowing our country to be taken over by communists?” Why? Because they are in on it. A tracked population can be controlled.
How can they track? Heard about those new “hardened” computer systems? Heard about the new GPS satellites? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this stuff out!
But it doesn’t matter, you see, it was predicted 2000 years ago what would happen. We are right on track.

The World Should Change Because I Say It Should

If anyone wants to argue if this guy was not an eco-fundie, email Bite.Me@fstdt.net and your complaints will be addressed appropriately.

James J. Lee #fundie savetheplanetprotest.com

The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:
1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict. Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!

4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!

8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies! You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many minds!!!

9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.

10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!

11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.

Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture.

For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!

It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!

Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS! Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!

The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.

Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!

I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.

These are the demands and sayings of Lee.

Patrick #fundie answers.yahoo.com

But my reasons to believe in God is actually:
1) the Bible. Why should the Bible be a big fat lie, huh? Why would someone trick us into an entire religion that isn't true? In the time the Bible were written, and if there was no Jesus? Don't you then think people would have noticed? Then the word would have been all over the world if you know what I mean, and then we would by no doubt know that the Bible is a big fat lie. BUT IT ISN'T!

2) the Big Bang. Why would a big explosion create Earth? Now lets see. Everything does have a cause no matter what, and what did exist before the Big Bang? Something must have created black and white and all the other colors. Now if a scientific nerd reads this he would probably make some reasons on how the Big Bang got created, but what created the stuff needed to create the Big Bang? Scientists still doesn't know what caused the Big Bang to happen.

David B. #fundie news.yahoo.com

[In response to an article that explains what it was that wiped out the dinosaurs.]

Oh give me a break. 1) NONE of these 'scientists' knows with any degree of certainty that the earth is even that old!
2) an asteroid had nothing at all to do with anything like this on this planet. It was a global flood that did in the dinosaurs. It's been proven.
3) the Earth, at best is near 8-9 thousand years old, not millions.
4) HAD an asteroid hit this planet, it would NOT be in the kind of perfect orbit it is that sustains the life it does. It would have knocked us out of that orbit, not left it alone on the exact axis tilt we are on, at the rate of speed we are, on the orbits around the sun that we are.
College educated idiots is what they are...

TheJaphyRider #fundie youtube.com

Atheist's are arrogant because in order to say that there is no God they would have? to know everything about the universe. Yet they don't. How's that origin of life thing coming along for you? Still have FAITH that life came from some ancient warm pond? Did you know that when Darwin made the hypothesis about the warm pond that scientists couldn't figure out why life sprang forth from rotting meat? They didn't know how maggots came to be so it seemed entirely plausible. Atheists have religion....it's called mankind. They have faith that mankind will figure everything out. Good thing man has never been wrong before. You can keep your faith in capricious scientists.......I'll keep mine in Jesus Christ! Maranatha

Bert Thompson #fundie discoverymagazine.com

Sometimes you will hear scientists speak of a hypothesis (high-POTH-eh-sis). This means that they have an idea (a "guess") about something, but do not yet have any facts to tell them if their idea is true or false. Sometimes scientists talk about a theory. If something is a theory, that means there are facts which show it might be true. Further testing will settle the matter.

However, if scientists speak of a law in science, they are talking about something which has been shown to be true all the time. In science, a law means there are no exceptions to the rule. The Law of Gravity is one example of this. Everyone knows that gravity holds things down—no exceptions. Gravity is not just a theory, it's a law.

There is another well-known law in science. It is known as the Law of Biogenesis (bye-oh-GEN-uh-sis). This law says two things: (1) living things always come from living things; and (2) living things produce only more living things like themselves.

For example, to get a cow, you must first have a living thing. But, that living thing cannot be a horse, or a donkey, or a whale. It must be a cow. To get a rose, you must have a living rose. To get a dog, you must have a living dog. That is what the Law of Biogenesis says. And remember—there are no exceptions to this scientific law.

Evolution is against the Law of Biogenesis! Evolutionists tell us that living things came from nonliving matter. They also tell us that one kind of animal gave rise to a different kind of animal. Further, evolutionists tell us that this happened over and over again to produce all the millions of animals which have ever existed. But that would break the law!

The Law of Biogenesis is real, and accepted as true by all scientists. Evolution cannot be true, because it is against this law. To have a law there must be a law-giver. Who gave us the Law of Biogenesis? That Law-Giver could only be God.

Navaros #fundie forum.dune2k.com

Akriku: the problem with your babbling in the original post is that evidence itself is subjective

tell me: you believe in carbon-dating? if a scientist says that a rock is 50 million years old and he has "proven" that by carbon-dating, would you believe him? would you believe he has proved it?

if so - then you are believing him based on FAITH in the idea of carbon-dating. you do not KNOW that the rock is as old as he claims it is. but based on faith in an idea - that is what determines whether or not you accept something as valid "evidence" or not

this principle is not limited to the example i've used. for almost anything that you state which contradicts religious texts - i could PROVE to you how your statement has NOT been proven with evidence - but rather is based on faith and speculation on your part.

Watergaia #fundie youtube.com

(In a discussion about the bible saying bats are birds)

"yes, i would probably say that a whale is a fish. dolphins are also fish, i mean duh...? they look like fish, kinda like sharks, and sharks are fish, as far as i know."

"everything is made of the 4 elements. fish are mostly water element, whales are a combination of water and air."

(quote non-creationist) The ancestors of whales and dolphins was a land-living walking creature which slowly returned to the sea.(end quote)

"lol, what a fairytale... a land? animal turns into a fish."

(quote non-creationist) Just because something looks like something else does not make it the same.(end quote)

"it depends on how you choose to define things. if scientists definitions were good, religious people would not disagree with them."

minnie #conspiracy aliensthetruth.com

Now this is what sealed the WTC’s fate, and set in motion the most ambitious operation by MJ-12 in human history. The Looking Glass shortly before 9/11 showed on screen that a team working for Iraq’s president, comprised of mercenary scientists as well as powerful sorcerers, in mid 2003 would succeed in finally opening the Iraqi Gate. Not unlike the US Dulce troubles, rather than gaining control of this entrance, a alien force of great malevolence, Draconians (popularly known as Reptilians), would force its way into our world, here in short order subduing Mankind in one bloody and terrible war, millions of us would die, and according LG the Earth is then lost to us forever. Humanity then will become Draco-‘breakfast’. The End.


Directed by LG findings, MJ-12 advised the US shadow government, ‘looped-in’ members of the administration, it was in the vital interest of the United States to gain unfettered and secret access to Saddam’s Stargate/multiverse gate before the predicted Draco invasion in 2003. The US, aided by its ‘special relationship’ ally the UK, opted for war and occupation of Iraq. Stated (but knowingly false) pretext would be the threat of WMD.


LG data already established that a terrorist attack on 9/11 involving the WTC was inevitable, one of those quirky things of the universe: some events are ‘fated’ and unchangeable! To justify the planned war against Iraq, MJ-12 chose to take over the attack, and use it both to vaguely implicate President Hussein in mass terror against America, AND to cover a spectacular mission to save us from the Draco invasion.

NephilimFree #fundie youtube.com

The flood caused the loss of the canopy which once protected life from intense sunlight and gamma and x-rat radiation. The earth's desserts are all only thousands of? years old. We know this from their rate of growth and historical record (ancient literature) which tells us places that were abundant with trees and plantlife in the past are now dessert. The polar caps have tropical plant fossils under thier ice sheets. This has been discovered by scientists.

[You realize that if the atmosphere were? thick enough to block x-rays and gamma radiation, no sunlight would reach Earth at all?]

It? was Ice above the atmosphere.

jairuswtsn #fundie imdb.com

Actually, evidence does exist of a worldwide flood!
It is the interpretation of that evidence, indeed the interpretation of all fossil evidence, which support the truth of the bible and the lie of evolution as the source of all life.

You think millions of years created the Grand Canyon? I suggest that it could have been created in one year and flow dynamists have proven it is a distinct possibility. Many years to lay down the sedimentary layers seen in the sides of the canyon but only one year of erosion is needed to actually cut the swath with the power and force of water should Teutonic plates shift.... (Interesting)

How did sea fairing and formerly existing proven fossils get at the great heights of the Himalayas? Teutonic plates shift and raise those mountains into position! Interestingly enough... this might correspond with the end of the worldwide flood... (Interesting)

Fossils. How do fossils exist? Bacteria and other living creatures consume most living flesh very quickly. Kill a pig in the forest and come back a year later. Very little evidence exists and most scientists know that this is the criterion to consider when a fossilized remains is discovered. Why was it preserved? Something has to have covered that remains in order to preserve the creature. A worldwide flood would stir up sediment like nobodies business and that sediment would cover many organisms very quickly. A plethora of dead organisms worldwide will and are very apparent and if you search, you will find this to be true.
Unfortunately, Satan knows this fact very well. Much of the truth of the Great Flood has been covered up and held back or diluted through misinformation and lies.

You are given a mind that can search out the truths and separate the lies from the truth. God is truth. I suggest you check the facts before jumping to any conclusions.

April #conspiracy rr-bb.com

The Mystery in it all. Just remember there are Facilities(Labs) That Housed Terrible Strains of Viruses. And I do remember sometime back in the news where Mice were missing from a N.J. Lab Containmented with some Deadly Disease.
It always makes me Wonder when I hear about these Strange New Diseases, if they were not Man Made in Some Medical Lab, and Some Crazy Mad Scientist brought out to the Us Regular Citizens to see what would happen and how it will be Controlled. I know this sounds all Sci-Fiction...But, When Mice come up Missing and that wasn't the only news story in months past.
It makes me wonder....If, this isn't a Government Project?
Remember, O Preacher he was all about the White Man giving terrible Illnesses to Black PPl.

Mike G. #fundie noanswersingenesis.org.au

[concerning his his 5 year old son]

... I was not real sure if my son was grasping any of the information ... . Well, tonight at bedtime I realized that he has been getting a healthy dose of the truth... . He asked me why the scientists want to deceive people by telling lies about creation and dinosaurs. When I explained that if they admitted to the fact of God creating everything that [sic] they would have to face their own sin, my son thought about it for a second and then said, "Daddy I know what I am going to do when I get older and can read by myself ... I am going to go to the library and get all of the science books and erase all the lies in them." Needless to say I wept and thanked God for my son. ...

Heather #fundie members3.boardhost.com

how can you people have read the information provided on the answers in genesis website and still proceed in complete darkness? and you dont even know it. i'm shocked that you can continue on in such biased opinion. not only am i upset about this...but at your disrespect tword creationists. its hard for Christians to reach and have influence on anyone in the scientific community because of such biased opinions many others, and you all posses. I'm disgusted with all evolutionist, because they refuse to see the truth, or even look into with an open eye (though i'm sure everyone of you will claim you have) but if you did, you would see the truth. but honest people are slowly departing from the old and limited theory of evolution ( by the way...where are all these links between species? its almost funny at your lack of evidence!) People ARE realizing the truth! i'm 15. but trust me, when i'm older you'll hear of me againfor your sake i hope you convert, because all you "scientists" will be left behind to the revolutionary truth of creationism

wyncrtr #fundie space.com

What astronomers and scientists continue to leave out of the equation is the God factor. Who knows what they are hearing. It could be an echo from the time of the so called "Big Bang" when Jehovah God said, "Let There Be Light".

I hope they find the God particle when they fire the Large Hadron Accelerator in Geneva Switzerland "CERN" and finally discover that all matter both dark and light was created by a devine designer not some random explosion. Science and chance will tell you that if one took some C-4 charges and detonated them in a junk yard the probablity of the pieces falling back to earth forming a completely operational Boeing 747 would be out of the question. Random explosions only cause destruction. Planned, calculated, and properly executed explosions can bring down buildings, but they not create something new other than rubble. So much for the so called random "Big Bang" theory.

The bandwidth of God's voice, hearing, and light spectrum goes beyond anything a radio telescope, oscilloscope, or telescope can detect. Human ears can only hear frequencies between 20Hz to 20kHz. Human eye sight can only see light frequencies between 400nM and 700 nM. The normal human voice frequencies fall between 350Hz and 1kHz. A very narrow bandwidth compared to God's ability to see, speak, and hear. God's bandwidth for speech, light, and sound is infinite. God also exists at light speeds faster than our known light speed of 186,000 mps. Therfore enabling Him to travel forward or backward in time, and be everywhere at the same time.

homosexualityexplained #fundie #homophobia homosexualityexplained.com

Homosexuality is not natural, and it deviates from GOD’S OBVIOUS DESIGN. If the laws of nature started mimicking homosexuality, and positives were attracted to positives, the entire universe would collapse! I’m showing you that male and female is a concept that permeates everything we are, even to the way charged particles operate! It is the Law, established by the all-knowing Lawgiver.

Men having sex with men means positive with positive (male organ to male organ), and where is the organ built to receive? Women having sex with women means negative with negative (female organ with female organ), and where is the organ to give? Do you see this? It doesn’t matter how many degrees a person may have. To deny this simple wisdom that even a child can understand, is rebellion. Rebellion is the root to blindness to God and His obvious principles.

A man with a man is confusion. A woman with a woman is confusion. There is no organ built for it. No children can come of such unions, unless man plays scientist in these matters. No life comes from homosexuality; it is lifeless. It can bring forth no children. It also makes the homosexual lifeless. It is not in line with life-after-death (according to scripture, homosexuals do not go to heaven...it’s a blanket statement). Isn’t it odd, that if two males are together, one inevitably becomes a female: female mannerisms, speech, etc. If two females, one of the two takes on masculine facial features as if on testosterone. Is this, too, a mark of judgment? A better way to look at this is: if you tell God no, you inevitably tell the devil yes.

adrian w #fundie answers.yahoo.com

scientist actually calculated from facts that there is a 69.7564^256th power percent possibility that God exists. these were atheist scientists too. they were trying to prove that God does not exist. so if they come up with the opposite result for trying to disprove God, those that try to prove it will get better results.

the whole thing about faith is this, "Seeing is not believing, believing is seeing."
this means that we would not believe just because we can see, we believe because we cannot see. you cannot see light, wind, gravity, or a magnetic field. yet you can see the effects of them. this is the same with God. you do not need to see God to know that he is there, you merely need to see the effects of his presence.

Zerozx #fundie rr-bb.com

My dad was talking about how somewhere in Arizona and places near it, there were petrified wood deposits that were up to 400 foot deep... he said "I wonder what kind of catastrophe could have caused that?" I said "Maybe it was the flood from the Bible." and then, my dad replied "When did that happen? Wasn't it two thousand years or so ago? Those deposits are millions of years old" I don't know...that's just something that bothers me. Scientists that study the Earth and things in it, they say things are millions of years old and then they "prove" that it is with carbon dating,...or whatever else they may use to study the age of the Earth and the things on it.

Now, honestly; I believe in a young earth...I know my dad believes in God, but obviously he doesn't take certain parts of the Bible as literal truth. Even if the Earth is millions of years old...that doesn't disprove God. It's just something that I think about...how would you explain petrified wood?
Sorry if my post is broad and I may have rambled a bit...

Thanks for reading...
God Bless.

Magnum 44 #fundie freerepublic.com

As far as literally creating the world in a matter of days, since God has been for all eternity, and will be for all eternity, I will let Him define what a day is, rather than try to interpret it for myself. In that since only, evolution and Biblical history can be compatible.

As for the creation of man, even Darwin himself admitted that without fossil records (which dont exist), his theory was bunk. And Darwin never imagined the nano-tech like machinery of the DNA contained in cellular structure. The cell was just a black box to him from which life could spring from nothing. If Darwin knew what we know today about the intelligent design going on within DNA and the complex machinery required for something as simple as blood clotting, he would not come to the same conclusion he did.

But some scientists will never admit the answer lies in God. They would rather suppose it was placed here by some other worldly species...just pushing out the question they dont want to actually find the right answer to.

qw #fundie whywontgodhealamputees.com

For instance, atheists believe there’s no God. But they believe in a Higher Being, whatever it may be, it’s human nature. What do you atheists say when you’re sick and you want help from a Higher Being? Be it the universe, or a candle, or yourself, or your cousin, or what/whomever? Really. I would like to know because there’s a time in everyone’s life when bad things happen and you “pray” to somebody/something. If you’re a scientist do you pray to a beaker, a lab coat, a mathematical equation?

Whiterabbit29 #conspiracy abovetopsecret.com

I have recently just watched an Unsolved Mysteries Documentary on UFO's I'm not to sure what year it was from so maybe this is old news! In this documentary they gave several reasons why some crop circles can simply not be hoaxes or be created by humans in anyway I have not heard any of these facts before so would be interested to know if anybody else has and maybe has info that disproves them!

1. The base of the crop whatever crop it maybe in a hoax is always broken on the section that enters the ground in the other type the base has been softened bent over and the re-hardened again and the crop continues to grow as normal and can still be harvested!

2. Using sound equipment there is a noticable interference recorded near the centre of one of the circles wich dissapates the further away from the centre you move!

3. A study has been done into the cellular structure of the crops comparing samples from inside the formation to those outside it. The samples taken from outside the formation had cloudy crystals in an erratic pattern and those from within the formation had clearer crystals in a much more uniformed pattern!

In the documentary it mentioned footage that had been captured of the formation of 2 crop circles by a team of scientist under the name operation blackbird I was wondering if anybody knew anything about this footage? It also mentioned formations that had appeared in the Arctic circle If anybody has any pics would be great to see them!

Garvan Ellison #fundie garvanellison.blogspot.com

I would ask that all Christian posters please remember Dr Kent Hovind and his wife, Jo, in their prayers.

For those of you who do not know, 'Dr Dino' was a creation scientist who has paid with his liberty for preaching the truth in the supposedly 'free' USA. In spite of his incarceration, he continues to fight the good fight here on his blog.

The 'official' version of events presented by the establishment is that Dr Hovind was indicted because he tried to defraud the IRS and refused to pay tax. For some reason, the IRS decided that Doc Hovind's group was not a religious organisation and thus demanded every last penny he had. This wasn't a lot - since both Kent and his wife did not take a salary and none of the volunteers who helped them were employees. NO OTHER CHURCH HAS BEEN TREATED LIKE THIS!!!

So why did they go for Kent? It all boils down to an offer he made in 1990, and which still stands. $250,000 to ANYONE who can present ANY empirical evidence for evolution. And, despite all the atheist rantings that evolution was a 'fact', NOT ONE SCIENTIST was able to take up this challenge.

The Truth is that Doc Hovind had the establishment corned: the TRUTH was about to come out. The response was an age-old one - DISCREDIT the servant of God through false allegations and lies. Ultimately the allegations themselves were not sufficient, so they threw him in prison.

BUT He will not be silenced, and his wonderful work is still being continued by his family and friends.

James Lopez #fundie forum.freehovind.com

In my world religions class at scottsdale community college in AZ, even the textbooks admit that although some scientists believe that man was here hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years ago, the earliest evidence for man goes back only about 6 thousand years ago. Even this is just guessing or averaging the time frame. Also if man were here 3 million years ago like some scientists at Rutger's university say, then there would be trillions times trillions times trillions of people in the world not to mention an affinity amount of human fossil skeletons. We'd be walking on human bones every inch of the world, except that there would'nt be any where to walk because there'd be living people on every inch of the world too. As for the oldest civilizations, The Mexicans government knows that the Mayans oldest ancestors are The Toltec Indians. The Toltecs reported in thier writings that the world was only around 1700 years old before a world wide flood about 4,000 years ago. The exact dates they added up are only a seventeen year difference to the Hebrew calendar. For the exact dates see Hovind's seminars. As for the whale having feet or legs, you are referring to vestigial body parts. Dr. Hovind debunks this theory in one of his seminars. The whale actually needs those certain hip bones to produce baby whales. Scientists that teach this evolutionary theory about the whale are either ignorant about whale anatomy or lying. Watch Dr. Hovind's seminars and debate DVDs. People are finding out the truth. Now that science is "evolving" they are proving evolution wrong as well as the old age of the earth theory.

DAVEYBOY #fundie rr-bb.com

Today when I came into work I did as I always do, get online and check out the headlines and wait to see what jumps out at me. This is when I hear God speaking to me, when things kind of just jump out at me. I saw 4 or 5 headlines that spoke to me. The first said scientists said that we have done so much CO2 damage to our planet that it is now beyond repair, and that humans have 30 years, tops, before extinction. The next headline said that the US is heading towards no linger being one of the super-powers. Did you catch that? Not THE super-power...ONE of the super-powers. The next headline spoke of Europe is, by 2025, going to be a "hobbled giant". The next headlline said that by 2025, nuclear confrontations were inevitable because of all the "rogue" states having these weapons and also the scarcity of food and water. Then I read about a teen putting his suicide on the 'net on a webcam and people were not horrified but instead threw insults at him. It popped into my mind. This is world is spinning out of control and is more than ready for a "man" to take control of it with his master plan. Now mind you, I know that nothing is out of God's control, but you understand what I mean. Totally spinning out of control, and waiting for someone to step in and rescue it. Until now, I always thought it would be the Rapture that had this world going berserk. Now I see it's already in utter chaos. Man, I really feel that the Antichrist is chomping at the bit...waiting like a tiger to pounce onto the world scene. I know all these things I've spoke of are no new news to all of you, but I really have felt the Holy Spirit saying to me that things are changing!!! And then at times I can't believe these things are really happening. It's alsmost too much to believe that this is really happening.

Lainey #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Q: How many fields of science have to be flawed for creationism to be valid?


"Actually none. All that would have to be done away with are methods that have proven flawed, such as you mentioned, radiometric dating. However, that doesn't throw out all work done in Nuclear Physics or concepts that work. Carbon dating also has to be thrown out because testing on material from Mt. St Helens erruption proved that new material can date old even when we know it's real age. However, to accept evolution you have to ignor many chemistry and biology scientists who keep asking for more time in order to make evolution probable. You also have to throw out everything we know about the linguistic evolution. Languages have historically become simpler since the beginning of recorded history. The more complex languages have died, and the languages still surviving are morphing to simpler and simpler versions. Language is in essence de-evolving over time. Are we to think the neanderthals spoke a highly complex tonal language which all of our many languages have evolved from? Evolution only happens in the real world as complex to simple. It doesn't happen the other way around. Therefore we could not have evolved from apes. Our ancestors had the most complex language."

Jeff Miller #fundie splendoroftruth.com

For the last month I have been preparing myself for a Sen. Obama win. I am by nature a pessimistic-optimist. I am though much more calm than I expected I would be in the aftermath of President-Elect Obama. It is much easier to remember today that my trust is in Jesus. Though I am also in mourning for the unborn who will die as a result of an Obama Presidency. They will never get to vote in an election, much less get healthcare or participate in the economy. The economy goes up and down. Dead babies stay dead.

Maybe we need to pray for the health of Supreme Court members so that they stay healthy another four years and have no desire to retire. Yeah I am only saying this jokingly, but no doubt some will retire and have a replacement named by a President Obama and another generation of children will be killed with the permission of the court. One thing you can say about Democrats is that they never pick a nominee that "grows" in office - they are reliably strict deconstructionists who will find a foreign law that matches their biases or grab a penumbra in a pinch.

Being thankful for little things the Democratic Senate does not have 60 seats so I hope this will keep the misnamed Freedom of Choice Act from being able to be signed into law. At least I hope that it is not able to be passed. Unfortunately the Mexico City policy will be history in an Obama administration. Plus I can only imagine the type of people that will be sent to represent us in the U.N. Say hello to CEDAW and the United Nations efforts to make abortion a universal "right." Plus President Bush's restrictions on Federal funding of embryonic stem-cells will be gone and surely the taxpayers will be funding destructive embryonic research regardless of the progress of ethical sources of stem-cells. Federal money will be used for cloning research and yet more embryos will die at the hands of scientists killing in order to preserve life.

This is the affirmative action presidency. Affirmative action is notorious for placing skin color above qualification and the electorate decided accordingly. There was hardly a dimes worth of difference between any of the Democratic presidential wannabees other than varying levels of experience. Obama's main qualification was that his father was from Kenya and he was capable with a teleprompter. Though once he became the nominee he had a cascade of forces historically helpful for a Democrat to take the office this time around.

Though at least now we know how many racists there are in the United States. Those 56,280,668+ that voted for Sen. McCain are obvious racists for not voting for "The One." And just because you might have voted for Alan Keyes - well you're racist too for not voting for Obama. The idea that the election of Sen. Obama is going to heal race relations I think is laughable. The media will frame every opposition to a President Obama's policies as racially tinged just as they did during the election.

As far as the media goes I don't know which I liked worse. The media that use to pretend to have some objectivity or the one that simply became campaign operatives. Media bias is nothing new and selective reporting has been with us for quite a time. The editing of the Palin interview to make her look worse and the L.A. Times withholding of a video tape are just some of the egregious examples this time around. The media can determine what the Palin family ate the night before by inspecting their garbage can, but could find nothing worthy to investigate on Sen. Obama. Gee remember the media trying to pin cocaine use on President Bush, yet Obama's biographies detailing drug use get a yawn. I hear that the Main Stream Media is going to be elevated to a cabinet position by President Obama because of the good work they did for him. No longer will dissent be patriotic as the media said during the Bush years.

Now we will also have a culture of death Catholic Vice President who will be putting the vice into Vice President with his support of many forms of abortion. I bet the media can hardly wait to snap a picture of him receiving Communion to gloat. The USCCB meets soon to discuss "practical and pastoral implications of political support for abortion." Will the scandal of Sen. Biden be addressed? Probably not, but I would love to be wrong.

I hear that Sen. Obama will be FedExing 30 pieces of silver to Doug Kmiec. Moloch is quite happy with all of the Catholics that voted for Sen. Obama. According to Catholic Culture "Among Catholic voters who attend Mass weekly, McCain won majority support: 54- 45%. Among those who do not attend weekly Mass, the margin for Obama was an overwhelming 61- 37%. Thus Obama drew his support from inactive Catholics." So 45 percent of Mass going Catholics supported the most extreme supporter of abortion ever in a Presidential race. The unborn chopped up via scalpels will be glad to hear about hope and change.

Dr. Ahmad Al-Muzain #fundie youtube.com

[More bullshit science from our good friend Dr. Ahmad Al-Muzain.]

The Prophet Muhammad said: "If a fly falls into your drink, you should dip it in the drink, and then dispose of the fly, because one of its wings bears a disease, and the other wing bears the cure."
This hadith was included in the Al-Bukhari collection.
This hadith makes it absolutely clear that the Prophet Muhammad confirmed a clear scientific fact: If a fly falls into a vessel - before a person drinks from this vessel, he should dip the fly in his drink, before disposing of it.
Then he should drink the beverage, because it won’t do him any harm.
Why? Because one of the fly’s wings bears the disease, and the other bears the cure.

In Germany, the Church paid a very large sum of money to two scientists to disprove this hadith.
Since this hadith appears in the Al-Bukhari collection, we cannot claim that it is unreliable or anything, and so they thought that if they could prove that this hadith contradicts science, they would be dealing a devastating blow to Islam.

The scientists took samples from the wings of flies, and began to examine them, analyze them, and take samples from their surface, in order to expose what existed on each wing.
The devastating result constituted a slap in the face.
The truth was devastating, and it backfired on them.
The two scientists reached an astounding conclusion.
They said that on one of its wings, the fly carries a huge amount of different types of bacteria, which adhere to it when it lands on rotting pieces of food that it eats.
As for the other wing, Allah has given the fly the great ability to carry the antidotes to these microbes.

When Bayer, one of the world’s largest pharmaceutical company, learned about this study, it derieved great benefit from it.
It established biological breeding farms, where they would raise flies and extract antibiotics from their wings - the stronges antibiotics in the world.
This antibiotic is made into a course of five pills, which is given to the patient, and it is used - believe it or not, my brother - to treat AIDS patients.
It strengthens their immune system, and destroys all types of microbes with which they are afflicted.
This is all thanks to the power of this antibiotic.
Obviously, this antibiotic is very expensive, and one course costs more than $500, but it is very strong and effective.
How did they discover it?
From this hadith.

Did the Prophet Muhammad have labs to carry out research?
Did Abu Bakr know anything about entomology, parasitology, or bacteriology?
Of course not.
Absolutely not.
So how did they make all these scientific accomplishments?
The only logical conclusion is that this science was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad by the Creator.

mdblf #fundie jogreen76.newsvine.com

I am posting so that i may get a response on your science, history, geography, etc., that "supposedly proves" the Bible is wrong. Where can we find such facts, or is this just another lie promoted by those that believe in the fairy tale of evolution?
I will enclose my comment I posted last night as it does happen to have scientific and historical evidence, whereas your message ironically contains none.
Evolutionists like to assume those that believe in a creator are ignorant and dumb. Theory of evolution provides no answers, just more questions. Interesting to note that i could take my science books from my school days and expose many things that have been revised because of the errors in their "scientific beliefs". This would mean that these things ARE lies. Just because someone doesn't know they lied when they taught it doesn't mean they didn't lie. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I for one, tend to be a little sceptical after I know that I have been lied to. I don't just then ignorantly accept the next lie, because it makes they're fairytale sound better.
Here is the comment I posted>
After reading some of this debate, I have come to the conclusion that many 5 yo's have more knowledge than these professed evolutionists. They will proclaim it took hundreds of millions of years for one thing to change into another, yet they provide no proof. My 5 year old can show you a caterpillar that transforms in three days into a butterfly, a maggot into a fly in one, a tadpole, etc..... How's that for scientific proof. The evidence is right before you're very eyes, always has been. It takes days, not millions or even billions of years. Yet this is exactly what they were CREATED to do. Why don't you evolutionists go believe some more of your fairy-tales that provide not one single bit of evidence to support them? My faith is in God, yours is in your "scientists" that have lied and still continue to lie to you. You wanted proof, there it is, DAYS NOT MILLIONS OF YEARS. This is pretty elementary. Matter of fact this is true science, because this is backed with fact not some fairytale. Most of you forget that your poster-child scientist (Einstein) believed in God. Go figure, huh? He stated, "God does not play dice with the universe". Where does your "random chance" come into play here? Where does your chance come into play in the cocoon of the butterfly? It doesn't, every time it remains the same!

"Kids Answers" section #fundie answersingenesis.org

A Feathered Dinosaur?

A common idea among those who believe molecules-to-man evolution is that dinosaurs have turned into birds over millions of years. But, from the Bible (Genesis 1), we know that God created all things about 6,000 years ago—birds on Day 5 of the first week, dinosaurs (land animals) on Day 6.

So what about the “feathered dinosaurs”? Do they prove that dinosaurs changed into birds? For example, some scientists have recently found bumps on the forearm of a velociraptor. They suggest that the bumps were where feathers attached to the bone.

Although no actual feathers were found with the velociraptor fossil (or any other dinosaur fossil, for that matter), it may be that some dinosaurs had feathers. But this group of animals would merely be a kind of feathered reptile—descendants of the animals that God created in the beginning. Feathers on reptiles have nothing to do with proving that one kind of animal changed into another kind. They just show the creativity and diversity of our wonderful Creator God!

LoneWolf1984 #fundie lonewolf1984.deviantart.com

I'd bet that you don't believe in the Bible Code. I don't believe in the Bible Code too until I'd find my Birthday, Birthmonth and birth Year and my name in the Bible Code.
But I'd hear it from the Bible Coders said that tribulation starts in the 2012. I'll be in Heaven. You would probably be dead or get the mark of the beast on you right hand or your forehead.

Anti-Christ is coming soon. Just a friendly Warning.

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If you are an WWE Fan. You got the Insult disease but it's also know as the World Wrestling Entertainment Plague.
The Scientists found out the Symptoms of having the Insult disease. You will become a zombie and pay 40 bucks to watch the worse PPV.

TruthSeeker41 #fundie rr-bb.com

Originally Posted by DerRickster
You know what I heard about something similar to this...there is a machine that looks like a tv monitor but flashes images so quick the naked eye can't see it but your conscience mind does and then the machine senses the person's body reaction to it. Talk about 'reading your mind.' Just imagine how the anti-christ can use this technology.
Hi Der,

yeah i agree there is technology that can do that. i worked in city government, and i sensed it myself. my coworkers & upper management could read my brain using some sort of program in the computers. they would mumble things or comments about me... (kinda like 3rd person subconscious comments which i would catch) I never said anything. I ended up quitting that job. And now, just waiting for Jesus to harpazo us outta here..!!!!!!


Sheesh this world is getting outta control! but somehow supposedly in control with the evil ones!! they better think again! no matter what they throw.. it won't matter! you will all answer to our almighty God and get dealt with accordingly even if you are all well connected with rocket scientist technology!!!!

[Get thee to a psychiatrist. -ed]

Pastor Winthrop III #fundie answers.yahoo.com

Why are some people so gullible as to believe the Evolution Theory?

I wish people would actually investigate the facts and not let certain "scientists" influence their vulnernable and weak-willed minds.

I have corresponded with most of the evolutionary scientists out there: Lenksi, Felsenstein, Charlesworth, Wood, Crow, Ewens etc....and I was surprised at how little evidence they could bring forth in support of the Theory. Ewens even admitted that the fundamental theorem of natural selection ( as proposed by Ronald Fisher) does NOT relate to evolution.

When you examine the fossil record and the dearth of transitional fossils, the sudden explosion of new species in a short timeframe, the lack of genomic evidence ( did you know the mouse has more genes than a human) , the fact that symbiosis is far more prevalent in Nature than competition and selection, you begin to realize just how much the modern synthesis stinks.

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