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actualdyke , Feminist_Username & UnknownBeignet #transphobia

I would pay to see the TIMs' faces when they eventually realize theyve run all the women off the app and now they're all the options are other men like them.

You do realize that, if somehow this happened, trans women see each other as women and the vast majority of bi/les trans women would be open to dating each other? No, wait, you actually don’t, and that’s part of where your problem lies.

Kiryu #homophobia #pratt

I do agree that “Dark Superman” has been overdone, and what remains to be explored of that trope space is probably better served by doing it with Superman expies than the actual character. For example, Homelander from The Boys. And the disempowered Superman stories are usually about how, even without most or all of his powers, he’s still a hero.

But even the normal Superman has always been anti-racist and anti-fascist, and in the past few decades he’s been pro-LGBTQ+ as well. Sounds fairly liberal to me.

Kevin Sorbo #fundie #wingnut

Sorbo is eye-candy who’s past his sell-by date. I guess it’s progress that Hollywood can be like that with men too?

JayGoptri #homophobia

Eh, didn’t Bush Junior drop a few f-bombs? Or was that just Cheney and Rumsfeld? Regardless, given how little respect that Repubs have for decorum, it’s not like that would have made much difference.

US Anon #elitist #fundie #senpai_noticed_us #wingnut

@Bastethotep: I think “Pureblood Christian” in this contexts means “Christian with pure blood”, as in not “contaminating” one’s blood by getting vaccinated.

Biblical gender roles #fundie

At age 30, a woman has used or lost 90% of the eggs she will ever have

And? By menopause, most women still have around 1000 eggs left (less than 1%). That’s still far more than most of them ovulate during their lifetimes (average around 350).

The reason why it’s generally better not to have kids in your 40s is due to the increased chance of birth defects, not because your eggs are running out.

Various Commenters #transphobia #sexist

As a gen z currently surrounded by these TIMs I approve of this message . They are into some of the most disgusting fetishes

Like what? The ones I see are mostly like “UwU kitty, want headpats”. If you remove the mild furry element it’s just platonic comfort-seeking.

Next you’ll tell me that hand-holding is a hardcore porn fetish.

卐 ангел смерти 卐 #wingnut #moonbat #psycho

Going for total edgelord credo, I see? “ангел смерти” means “angel of death” and the swastikas strongly suggest that this is meant to be a Josef Mengele reference.

MASTER LAKI/ Dr. Ilija Lakicevic, Res. Prof. #crackpot #fundie #dunning-kruger #magick #god-complex

The capitalized “AM” in “I AM” strongly suggests that they’re some form of theosophist. There are many different theosophist cults, which have widely varying beliefs, but they all tend to have very ego-driven doctrines and have wacky ideas about physics and spirituality. They don’t usually go as far as declaring themselves gods or fragments of “the” God, though.

BeardedLuckDragon #psycho #crackpot #magick #wingnut #conspiracy

If we square morality for algebra we get this cube.

The one with four corners in a day? [Time Cube reference]

Lila Rose #fundie #wingnut

Conservapedia #dunning-kruger #fundie

Various Commenters #transphobia #crackpot #dunning-kruger #psycho

There have been a handful of successful uterus transplants since 2019 (I think) and at least one which was used by the woman in question to bring a child to term. It had to be removed after, though. There’s still years of research and experimentation needed, before it can be considered safe and reliable. And that requires volunteers… if nothing else, there’s always the possibility that trans women might be just different enough to highlight or pinpoint a non-obvious issue, and it might also be a valuable data point if they’re not, so of course this was going to happen sooner or later.

The benefits to cis women, and any sort of acknowledgement (whether positive, negative, or concerned) of the ones which have already volunteered and the ones who will do in the future, appears to be mere footnotes to them at best.

[Edit] I read the article and it says that only one attempt was ever tried on a trans woman and the results were fatal, and that’s almost certainly what they’re gloating about. That was Lili fucking Elbe! In 1931! I’m pretty sure medical science has greatly improved over the last 91 years.

Ted Cruz #fundie #sexist #wingnut

<@Creativerealms> #126622
Seems thanks to the Senate, Supreme court justices will be better protected then the capital was on Jan 6th

This may not necessarily be a bad thing. The Capitol was not nearly as well-protected as it should have been. Yes, it feeds the conservative delusion that liberal protesters are feral killers or whatever, but there’s also the possibility that the liberal-leaning Justices might be in danger. Better safe than sorry, probably. I mean, maybe it’s nothing, or there might be some long-term advantage to martyring one of them, but we shouldn’t be disregarding people’s lives so casually.

WTF, I’m not that much younger than Ted Cruz and I was taught about the 1805 Insurrection Act in High School, where did he even get his education. Oh, wait, I looked it up and it says a private Baptist School in Texas. Obviously.

Incidentally I also checked when the word “insurrection” was first used in English. Apparently that would be 1425.

C.N. #racist #wingnut

We can’t just murder millions of people because it is convenient. That may be fine for liberals, but the New Right occupies higher moral ground

Not so sure that engaging in moral relativism in regards to genocide puts you on higher moral ground.

ares12 #dunning-kruger #fundie

To them, the science is either general consensus or whatever the hell they want it to be.

I note that most fundies don’t actually have any issue with science in general, particularly when science leads to technology which improves their personal lives. Though in some cases they might simply be compartmentalizing “science” and “technology” from each other.

The do have a problem when the same science which produces their technology implies that at least some of their ideology and/or theology might just be delusions born of ignorance. This is taken as an attack on their personal worldview, so “obviously” scientists must be out-of-touch elitists who make up stupid shit because they think they’re better than the common folk. If not outright evil. Sorry buddy, that says more about you than anything real.

moondogrex #wingnut #psycho

Your side is very bad at not telegraphing your moves, why do you think you’d win?

You know, it occurs to me that perhaps this might be part of the reason why a lot of Republicans act as if the right to privacy were not sacrosanct, at least on a legal level, despite the frequent whining about big brother. They can’t keep their mouths shut to save their lives, so nobody else is allowed to either.

Lori Alexander #fundie #sexist

A lot of fundies have long claimed that a zygote (not even a fetus) is ensouled at the moment of fertilization. This is a rather radical view which requires them to either believe that the bible is lying to them or that the bible consists of a handful of cherry-picked verses and the rest can be ignored.

And then they also claim that any attempt to prevent implantation counts as “abortion”. Given that implantation fails more often than not even when children are wanted, you have to wonder what God is doing farming all those baby souls who where only alive for a few days at most.

Allie Beth Stuckey #fundie #sexist #wingnut

The Final Wakeup Call #conspiracy #wingnut #crackpot

The Tavistock Clinic was founded in 1920, the Tavistock Institute was founded in 1946, and the Tavistock Group was founded in 1975. None of these seem to be directly related to each other, at least as far as I can find with a quick check, aside from being fairly liberal organizations in the present day and also run out of the town of Tavistock. This seems to be conflating them as one.

Appears that the Tavistock Institute was heavily studying war-related psychiatry (not psychology) in its early days, in order to treat soldiers and veterans with PTSD. That’s about as far as it goes.

Matt Walsh #fundie #sexist #transphobia #wingnut

Considering that a large part of the basis of this decision is that, once upon a time, women didn’t have rights, yes it is. Trans and nonbinary people with uteri are just splash damage.

James Howard Kunstler #wingnut #conspiracy

are you not amazed to see just how dedicated to the suppression of speech the Left is?

The Left is, and always has, been against “hard” censorship, same as the Right, just for different reasons.

They are not against “soft” censorship because the alternative is rampant bullying, abuse, and the shutting down of any meaningful conversation on literally anything in the name of “free speech”. There’s a reason why “free speech zones” either quickly fail or ultimately get soft-censored harder than general conversational spaces.

Some on the Right are against “soft” censorship because they fully want the above to happen to the Left, while also believing that it wouldn’t happen to them. They tend to have a real problem with face-eating leopards.

Matt Walsh #crackpot #wingnut #transphobia

The label hasn’t been erased, it’s been expanded, much to the consternation of those who consider “real” lesbians to be cis-women who are only into cis-women only. I’m not just talking about trans women who are lesbians, but also AFAB non-binary people who are primarily into women and bi women who have given up on men who choose to take up that label.

It’s also true that some of the people who would have identified as “butch dykes” in the past identify as trans men now. It’s also not true that they’re being socially pressured into doing so; with rare exceptions, the social pressure goes the other way. Doesn’t fit the narrative, of course.

Oh, wait, I forgot this was Matty. His versions of the narratives are even stupider than the usual conservative ones.

U.S. Supreme Court #sexist #wingnut

The silver lining is that in most states, this doesn’t actually do much. Some states already protect the right to abortion, while others the right has been chipped away over the decades to the point of being virtually nonexistent. It’s only a handful of states where neither of these are true where it potentially makes a big difference.

Because of this, there’s some rumbling among the religious right that state-level determination of abortion rights isn’t nearly good enough, what needs to be done now is take control of the House and Senate in November and ban abortion everywhere in 2023. These are the same kind of people who think that the United States is meant to be a theocracy.

Andrew_Hoffman #conspiracy

I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation, and unless I’m mistaken about how stereoscopy works, in order to determine the size or distance of a sun-sized object via a human’s depth perception, it would have to be within 0.3 AU, otherwise the parallax would be too small for a human eye to detect. (The sun is 1 AU.) Also it would have to not be giving off a blinding glare which makes it hard to tell exactly what you’re looking at. You also need a visual reference as to distance to determine the size, or a reference as to the size to determine the distance; a blank sky tells you nothing. It could just as easily be just beyond the moon or a galaxy-massed colossus hundreds of light-years away for all you know, just by looking. (Of course you probably also think that the moon is like 100km away or something)

David J. Stewart #fundie #homophobia

Pfft. I’ll take cellphones and internet over not having those things. They’ve significantly improved my quality of life. And “cameras everywhere” isn’t too bad of a thing - yes, I could name issues easily enough, but most of these cameras are in the hands of the public instead of the government like it used to be, so authority figures can more easily be taken to account.

watson #conspiracy

1.) Planned Parenthood isn’t a government program.

2.) A lot of government programs improve the quality of life for those who need it, which doesn’t so much “reduce the population” as “reduce the rate of population increase”. People with good lives have fewer children on the average. Abortion improves the quality of life as well. Even if it were reducing the population, that’s a side effect, not the intended purpose.

3.) Sex reassignment probably does reduce the number of births among those who get it, but also reduces the number of people who won’t be having kids anyway due to suicide, so probably a wash.

4.) Vaccines don’t reduce the population either, instead it reduces the rate of population reduction, resulting in a net increase.

The End #sexist

<@Malingspann> #124203

Well, their guts are ugly. In the metaphorical sense of their intuitions of how humans should/do work.

Julie92845 #transphobia #senpai_noticed_us

I’m not going to object to “shadow of its former self”. While I didn’t actually start posting on the site until the glory days had mostly faded, I did check out the site maybe every few months during that era.

But “sad shadow”? Not hardly. Back then, there were far fewer sites at least semi-dedicated to ripping apart extremists of various stripes; more people were here because there were fewer options. Today, there’s more people engaging in such, but also far more options; this is a good thing, over all. Where mentioned elsewhere, this site is basically treated as a quaint bit of internet history, like a small town that was the site of significant historical events, but isn’t a major tourist attraction. That kind of has its own charm.

It’s also true that a site like Ovarit wouldn’t have been featured back then. Partly because the place was originally narrower in focus, and partly because sites like Ovarit didn’t really exist.

Robert Stacy McCain #dunning-kruger #homophobia

Here’s a detail that the OP seriously glossed over: When using attention-grabbing headlines and opening paragraphs, the most effective way is to focus on one particular salacious detail. In this case, the detail which virtually everyone in the news was focusing on was not “lesbian” but “cop”.

Also, we don’t actually know the sexual orientation of the people involved. Some or all might have been bi/pan. Unless they had some way of knowing, it would be wrongheaded speculation. Yes, I know that some people use “lesbian” to describe a w/w relationship rather than an orientation, but it would be unprofessional to use the term in that manner. Also “police doing unjustified violence” is more salacious than “lesbian” right now. So altogether, the easiest and most effective way to go about this is to just go “cop” and establish w/w early in the article.

(There is another reason not to go the other way, of course; when oppressed minorities do bad things, focusing on their minority status tends to unintentionally associate the bad thing with their minority status. But given that even right-wing news mostly focused on the cop angle, I doubt much of anyone was considering this.)

Aero the Alcoholic Bat #homophobia

If homosexuals are comparable to infertile heterosexuals, it is a disability.

Ignoring the subtle ableism here, which is almost certainly beyond the likes of this person, why not compare them to childfree-by-choice people instead? Which isn’t quite accurate either because gay people occasionally do have kids. Even then, I’ve seen people try to spin childfree as a mental illness…

If homosexuality is comparable to straight people engaging in oral or anal sex, it is a fetish or paraphilia

Straight people engage in kinks and fetishes too. And as these things go, those are pretty mainstream - there are far more straight people who at least occasionally engage in anal sex than gay people who exist, and it’s pretty unusual for straight people to not at least try oral these days.

If homosexuality is comparable to friendships between those of the same sex, why do they have sex?

Straight people (and for that matter, any people) with healthy relationships are usually friends with their spouses/partners. The concepts are not directly related but hardly incompatible either.

If homosexuality were as safe as heterosexuality,

In brief: “More susceptible to disease” is true in the very narrow sense of m/m reckless casual sex (because men transmit STDs more easily than women, and men are more likely to be into reckless casual sex) but this relies on a largely outdated stereotype *and* ignores lesbians. “Damaged sphincters” is not a thing for normal anal sex, and extreme stretching isn’t a common fetish regardless of sexuality. “Bug chasing” is a fetish for straight people too. “Refusing to get tested / not inform partners” is a straight people thing too. Unlike Covid, STDs aren’t airborne.

If homosexuality is a valid form of romance,

It’s not, it’s a sexual orientation. Heterosexuality isn’t a form of romance either.

…Which is an advanced-level discussion that would require too much space to cover even the basics of, so I’ll just note that the part that follows this is really invalidating to straight people who are childfree, unmarried by choice, or don’t believe that “until death do you part” is a realistic prospect for most.

If not being able to get married was a reason why homosexuals were so promiscuous before, why has it gotten worse since then,

It hasn’t.

with the degenerate mainstream media becoming more emboldened in promoting lifestyles like polyamory and cuckoldry?

You’re trying to link this with the previous statement, but it’s only tangentially related, in that being more open in showing one form of “alternative” relationship in the media tends to lead to being more open in showing others as well. Also, straight people do poly, and cuckoldry is almost entirely a straight thing.

Why do so few express interest in actually getting married, or treating it like the strict, closed relationship it is supposed to be?

Because you only hear from the ones who exclaim such views. This doesn’t make it the majority. This has been often noted on in BDSM communities: You’ll see a lot of people talking about poly (either in general or one’s own relationship), yet most BDSM people aren’t actually poly - nobody talks about being “not poly”. This creates a weirdly warped and sometimes uncomfortable perception for newbies. Also, straight people do this too.

TL;DR - OP has an overly narrow and inaccurate view of straight people, uses said view to attempt to invalidate non-straight people, also a few PRATTs, outdated stereotypes about gay men, ignores the existence of lesbians.

Etienne Charland the Emergence Guardian #crackpot #magick #ufo #conspiracy #mammon

Wiping out all money consciousness below a certain threshold (around 15) on the Hawkins scale, and gradual transmutation of the rest (15 to 200 on Hawkins scale).

Let’s just say that the “Hawkins Conscious Scale”, which goes from 0-1000, is basically new-age spirituality dressed up as pseudo-psychology. “Money Consciousness” is a real term in psychology, but it doesn’t mean what most people would expect - it refers to the degree which one opportunistically engages in unethical financial behavior (including theft) out of greed or desperation. (“Money Conscientousness” would be a better term for it, but I didn’t invent it.) A quick search also dug up a “money consciousness scale” which goes from 1-10, and seems to have something to do with the more common meaning of “consciousness”, but that leads to a rabbit hole of The Secret™ types of financial woo. Neither of these scales appear to have anything to do with each other.

This appears to be mashing two nonsensical concepts together to make something which is even more nonsensical.

Katherine Deves #transphobia

“Silence of the Lambs” and “Sleepaway Camp” are not documentaries.

Dana Loesch #wingnut

Stop assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy

The greatest spread of disease happens a bit before you appear sick. And there are people who never show clear symptoms but spread disease for weeks or months, they’re called “Typhoid Marys”. You are suggesting that we drastically reduce the effectiveness of mask use for the sake of “respecting” self-centered, reckless idiots. Nope. Such people don’t get much respect under normal conditions, why should they especially get that respect in times when it would lead them to do the most damage?

Christopher Key #crackpot #dunning-kruger

@The_Dybbuk #123676

We do have prototypes for flying vehicles which serve a very similar function to cars, at least. Won’t be available for sale for a few years and won’t be in common use for a few decades, if they follow the usual technology trends.

Snake Baker #racist #psycho

There was a Hanna-Barbera cartoon called “Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines” AKA “Catch the Pigeon”. It features a character named Dick Dastardly (who first appeared in Wacky Races) and his sidekick Muttley, who keep trying (and failing) to stop a messenger pigeon from delivering secret messages.

Other than that, I got nothing.

Unknown Holocaust Denier #conspiracy #pratt #wingnut

After doing a quick bit of research, I’m pretty sure that they’re equivocating “shower rooms” (euphemistic) with shower rooms (like you’d find in a gym). And they’re treating hydrogen cyanide as if it could only kill if it took the form of a concentrated cloud, as if it were carbon dioxide or something. This is incorrect, it only takes around 0.1% concentration to kill a human within minutes (and 0.02% to kill a human within hours), so you don’t need huge quantities of it even though it disperses in air.

Also, “air soluble” does not appear to be an actual technical term.

Kylee Zempel #wingnut #homophobia #biphobia #transphobia

Have the “conservatives” resisting the use of the “groomer” label forgotten about the concerted effort by gender activists to host drag-queen story hours for little children in taxpayer-funded libraries or “drag-tastic” camps at museums?

I have a question. Just how many people who oppose this are sending their kids to these kinds of events, either because they were somehow tricked, or because they were socially pressured into doing so? If the answer to this is “virtually none”, then that puts a whole swath of “indoctrination” objections under suspicion. (Not that they were ever in good faith to begin with.)

Babylon Bee #transphobia #wingnut #dunning-kruger

@Spacewyrm #123490

I saw that film. The most generous thing which could be said about it is that the main character had severe mental problems which made it difficult to distinguish fantasy from reality and playing an RPG only made things worse; however, I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the intended message of the film. Rather it was that engaging in fantasy too deeply itself promotes the inability to distinguish reality. It needs to be looked at in the context that, at the time the film was made, Dungeons & Dragons was still pretty new but people were already suspicious of it, and the Satanic Panic was only just getting underway, and both of those things influenced it.

If you want to see an actually good 1980s film about someone falling too deep into fantasy, I recommend Labyrinth. (Yes, I went there. 🙃)

Well, there have existed some games where there are extensive, random lookup tables for creative ideas if the player or GM doesn’t know what they want, only that they want something different than the usual. Of course one can always ignore/reroll if they don’t care for the results. There’s no reason why that couldn’t be done for gender if someone really wanted to, but I couldn’t see that appearing in any sort of standard material. Most people aren’t interested in playing an “unusual” gender identity, and most of those who do already have something in mind.

Yes, I’m responding to this with far more seriousness than it deserves. Honestly, the Bee themselves really need some random lookup tables to aid in their supposed comedy, at least that way it might be funny occasionally.

Kylee Zempel #wingnut #biphobia #transphobia #homophobia

There’s multiple different things going on which lead to this.

It’s always been true that people have the right to raise their children according to their own values (well, to a point anyway, no society is infinitely tolerant), but no one is guaranteed the privilege to raise children free of counterexamples to their values. Some people have always been told, “tough luck there buddy”, and that’s the non-asshole version (often it was more like “take this as a sign you should abandon your obviously inferior values”). After decades of relative privilege on this matter, the far-right and mid-right are increasing being told “tough luck”, and they really don’t like it.

Then there’s the matter of consent. Not just sexual consent, though sex is very often used as a gateway to a more general understanding of the concept. There are a lot of people who don’t understand it and don’t want to. The idea, for them, is that you should always just say no (except for the few areas where you should always just say yes) regardless of your desires or the circumstances, but your social superiors can simply override your no/yes. Unless you’re at the top of the heap, you decide little or nothing for yourself, you decide for the people below you instead. Outside of isolated cult communities it has never worked completely like that, but the degree to which things work like that has waxed and waned over time; currently it’s very much on the wane, and they really don’t like this either.

Due to both of the above, they’re in danger of losing their kids, whether by having the authorities taking them away (less likely) or their children becoming alienated to them (more likely). This is seen as a fundamental violation, not merely of their right to raise their kids as they see fit, but also of the social contract which they “agreed” to (more likely, were forced to “agree” to) where they give up control over their own lives in exchange for control over certain other people’s lives (often just their own children and no one else)… and how is that even fair that they might not even get the benefits which came with their sacrifice?

And of course abuse of any kind is getting harder to hide. For those who engage in it, some distractions are needed. For the non-abusers (and I use the term “non-abuser” generously here) they don’t want to confront the idea that the sexualization of children has already been normalized in some respects. And since it isn’t going away any time soon, we should prepare children to deal with it. Because it would force them to acknowledge that their worldview has been complicit in creating this situation. So they, too, need some distractions to shut down the conversation.

Steve Dragon #homophobia #psycho #fundie #crackpot

I’ve seen (thankfully very rarely) the very weird attitude that there are some people who exist solely to burn in hell. If they become whoever God created them to be, then they’re evil and deserve it, but if they don’t, then they still deserve it for disobeying God. Somehow God himself is not a monster for doing this. This view seems to be influenced by Calvinism while being worse than actual Calvinism.

So while it’s still probably just someone being all edgelordy, it would be sadly unsurprising if there were someone somewhere who held the most extreme possible version of that belief.

Various Commenters #transphobia

TERFs always start out with “Why do those undateable [insert insult/slur here] try to force people to date them? If trans women are really women, and trans men are really men, then why don’t they just date each other and leave the rest of us alone? Oh, that’s right, because even they don’t consider their own kind dateable.” When they later find out that trans people have been dating each other since forever, they change their tune: “See! They’re forced to date their own kind because nobody wants them! If they were real men/women they’d have no problem dating other people.” And then sometimes they vacillate between those two positions depending on the current conversational trends in their spaces.

The fundamental assumption here is that all trans people have fundamentally transphobic beliefs deep down “just like everyone else”, it’s just that most won’t admit to it. Though when your premises lead to two mutually incompatible conclusions, you might want to reevaluate them.

Dmitri Peskov #wingnut

I’m guessing that this is because Ukraine is currently attempting to retake the Donbas region now. “We conquered this land fair and square, no take-backsies.” (BTW, Russia has yet to actually declare war against Ukraine, Putin refuses to do so for whatever reason)

PipweedTV #psycho #ableist

Nobody “wins” arguments, unless they have a goal related to engaging the argument which the other person doesn’t necessarily share. And if your goal is to find a moment where you can say “your position doesn’t matter because you don’t matter” and be partly correct in an extremely superficial sense? Who even does that? Oh, right, a bully.

Liz Wheeler #wingnut

I could easily see someone doing something like that as a one-off, either to be silly/weird or to subtly mock the idea of announcing one’s pronouns. I’ve not personally seen anyone do that, so I’m going to echo that this is probably not a real phenomena. If it does become one, I would like to know why as well.

Benjamin Fulford #crackpot #conspiracy #racist #wingnut

So how long before those people are replaced by clones or robot doubles?

Tatsuhirocel , FallenPrime & GrimIsSlim #sexist #racist

It’s common for extreme misogynists to claim that women are no different from children. They don’t mean that women are literally children, just that they consider them both functionally close enough to treat them the same in most respects. Which can unfortunately extend to forcing their kids to share equally with the wife in the housework while doing none themselves, and also sexually abusing their underage daughters. Fortunately it’s become a lot more difficult for that type to coerce women into marriage.

This is similar - “all Jews are parasites, all women are parasites, therefore they’re interchangeable in most respects”. Except they typically frame it like women aren’t part of their lives at all, and the fact that they can’t parasitize them is bad? And they want to be overlords like the (((Jooooz))) and it’s bad that they can’t? It’s kind of like “only I’m allowed to be evil unhindered, and it’s bad that this is not reality”?

Candace Owens #conspiracy #wingnut

@Vanto #122739
Not in their news bubble. Fauci was barely mentioned at all, and treated as a minor and forgettable side character in the pandemic drama, until a few months after Floyd was murdered. The FOX / OAN / Newsmax coverage of the early pandemic was rather different than what you would have seen elsewhere, and also rather different from what they’re saying now.

That being said, their narratives to explain “sinister” (not usually actually sinister) ongoings in the government, particularly when Democrats are involved, often don’t follow the chronological order of events. Given how prevalent this was during the Obama years, the phenomenon is sometimes mocked as “Obama’s time machine”. Or someone borrowing it.