Here are my top three favorite questions to Evolutionists:
1. Explain evolution in light of a 6000 year universe - (Genesis 1).
2. Since God pronounced His Creation "very good" in Genesis 1:31 - why the need for Evolution?
3. Since Jesus didn't believe in Evolution - (Mark 10:6; 13:9) - why should we?
The Earth is n-millions of years old, but has only been in existence for 6000 years.
God is Loving. He is also just. How can God have mercy if he doesn't have wrath? If he doesn't have perfect wrath, than he can't have perfect mercy either.
The Bible favors prevention versus cure. Abortion is a cure for the problem of sexual immorality. Funding for AIDS is the cure for the sin of homosexuality. Welfare is the cure for the sin of pornography that lead to the illegitimate children that leads to the need for welfare. [...]
I favor Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism as a check and balance to each other. Democracy allows choice, Christianity defines the proper choice and Capitalism takes care of those who do not make the proper choice. Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism has made America a great nation and should be an example for every nation of the world. [...]
If you would like assistance with the promotion of Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism I would direct you to Franklin Graham and Jerry Falwell as trustworthy Christian men with a world vision.
[So, an all-loving and merciful God will lets millions of people burn in hell because he decided he wouldnt show up for them? You must understand, these people are innocent, they know nothing of Christianty. At all. And your God just decides to not show up for them, therefore condeming them to hell from the day they are born. Quite unmerciful and unjust huh?]
as i said before, God is perfectly within his rights to let all of us go to Hell. so if any one goes to Hell because "God does not show up" as you put ,it is not unmerciful and unjust, it is FAIR. it is what we deserve.
as i keep saying, the people are NOT innocent. they are sinners. they have all done bad things, things that are reprehensible in God's eyes! they deserve to die. we christians do not deserve to be saved. that is the merciful grace of God, that any of the horrible sinners, which is what we are, what I am, are allowed to go to Heaven at all.
[Isnt it also true that your just God would let Hitler himself into heaven, to live in paradise for eternity if he just repented his sins and meant it? So, Hitler, the murderer of millions of Jews gets into heaven, yet all these Jewish people that suffered and died because of him go the hell because they didnt repent....]
it's a very hard thing to face, but yes, this is perfectly true. i don't think you have to worry about that though, because while i don't know men's hearts like God does, i sincerely doubt that Hitler repented of his sins before he blew his brains out. and there are many Jews who have converted to Christianity. There were probably many Jews who died in the Holocaust who were Christians. it's not like Hitler actually cared what the people he slaughtered believed in. he just wanted to commit genocide.
and all those Jewish people who died in the Holocaust and went to Hell would have gone to Hell anyway if they had died natural deaths. Just like all the British people, Africans, Canadians, Muslims, Americans, and any other members of any race, culture or belief system who die without believing in Christ.
[I dont understand how that God you speak of is just and merciful...]
i'm trying to help you understand...
Sentient beings in general don't evolve because they intentionally choose their mates.
Christians in particular don't "evolve" because Christian ethics permit the less fit to breed and contaminate the gene pool.
I think we have folks here not living in the same spiritual dimensions. Some evaluate according to how they feel. Not what the Word tells us. It takes time. But, we should not deny what it does say because we still hurt over loved ones who refuse to become a disciple of Christ. They should become "broccoli" to our soul. Something we hate and will not eat. Christ is served and be gobble it up, licking the plate clean.
depression? bin their, dont that, almost killed myself (it involved a bus and God) but some level of depression are natual in teenagers and i personally dont agree with anti-depressants and i think that you should work through your problems with a therapist instead of getting druged to the eyeballs.
next tiime your depressed, pick up your bile, and read. maybe God will give you a page or a verse to read (he did that to me once) but it can still be comforting.
Yes, he did. He was an alcoholic that lived with me for over a year. I won't go into the gruesome details except to say that after he had lived with me for almost a year, he told me this. It explained a lot of his problems and the very strange things that occurred while he was there. He had been kidnapped by satanists, who drugged him, brainwashed him and forced him to participate in these rituals.
Among other things, he was severely demonized and had a werewolf spirit, which I saw manifest one night at midnight when the moon was full (I am not kidding). Because of the tremendous guilt he carried over this, he could never believe that God would ever forgive him.
["Is a deity that condemns all non-believers to hell worth believing in?" Emphasis in original.]
If you cured AIDS itself and gave billions of dollars to feed the poor. And you offered it up to God on judgement day. It's like offering a <font color=red>BIG BLOODY TAMPON</font> in the face of a holy God. Because God is perfect and his standards are perfect. And we cant keep them which is why Jesus came. Because he is the only one who did. --- Believe on him
["i don't like what the early church did to people that were not Christians... You guys are not like it, but i have a grudge against the Church for doing that to so many innocent people."]
If it wasn't for the sword many more people would roast in hell for their pagan blasphemy. You should be thankful that God offered pagan peoples a chance to get into heaven thanks to His mercy.
If evolutuion is true- and the earth has been around for billions of years and humans have evolved from very primitve beings, why are there still babies born with abnormailities. Beings evolve to adapt and become more advanced than their ancestors. So, evoluiotn has had billions of years to get this right- yet still there are deformalities, people with genetic diseases. Just wondering how people would respond to what I feel is a strike towards evolution. (BTW- I am a teacher - I have had to teach evolution as a theory- which is in fact what is it). Also, if we evolved from ape like beings- why are they still here?
[Further to John's earlier assertion that the alphabet came before DNA...]
Let me give you something real simple so that a child can understand it. DNA code is made up of ACGT. The A here is the first letter in the alphabet. It is the beginning and DNA is also the beginning of everthing that is living. C stands for Christians. It is the Christians that are here to deliver God's message to the world. G of course stands for God. It is God who is expressing Himself in the DNA and thus God is expressing Himself in Creation. The T of course expresses God and the head or in His leadership over man. There is a lot that can be said about this, but now is not the place. If you have a small t then of course you have the cross that Jesus gave Himself for us. If you have a small g you will see that God has expressed Himself in us. The small c of course represents our humility before God. If we have pride or ego or are puffed up before God, then it is not going to work according to God's plan and purpose. The small a of course shows how things start off small in the beginning and over time they become greater. A journey of 1000 steps begins with one step. A study of the Bible begins with one word and one passage at a time.
I would be careful revealing ANY personal info, even state or country if I were you. People get fired or arrested for being Christian, and practicing faith these days, when ratted out by some.
[Not remarkable by itself, but considering who it comes from...]
I know more about science than you can ever hope to know.
There are no hidden messages and Science is the one that uses the Alphabet not me. In case you have not noticed "DNA" are letters from our alphabet. The only question here is what came first, the chemicals or the letters that we assign to the chemicals. I say the letters came first.
Isn't it odd that American symbols/icons that represent America should be unrinated and deficated on as acceptable, and even burned to show offense of the same, BUT Americans must/have to be respectful of the Koran and Islamic customs ? Seems we must accept disrespect to America and its Judeo-Christian heritage, but must respect Islam that hates us. Is this just a indication of a self-loatheing society like the time of Rehoboam ? God WAS NOT AMUSED.
Should CINOs [Christians In Name Only] be removed from the church? The church needs to preach to and teach to Christians, CINOs, and Atheists. No one should be turned away from the church. However, CINOs and Atheists should not be elected to leadership positions in the church nor to political positions of power. We are all aware of what happened when the Catholic church started letting homosexuals be priests.
Republicans have yet to prove to me that they really support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian principals. I believe only Christians have the moral qualifications to hold public office.
I know about gravity, and I think God pulls things to the earth. It is all in the way you look at it.
[Sharing his life experiences as a satanist, goth, "aitheist", and Christian]
satanist : i used to conjure up demons on people who i hated and seen it successfully done
aitheist : i believed in neither demons and GOD in this stage of my life 14 till i saw a figure moving in my closet at night feeling it stare at me
goth:staying at a friends house lighting black candles when something walked through me and i totally uterly freaked out!!!!
christian :5 encounters!!!!!
1.sorta like ichtus423 encounter except i couldn't sleep then i felt it i was frozen in fear could barely breath it was so intense it was unreal!!! then i remembered the CROSS i shouted by the power of the blood and HE who died on the cross demon you have no authority over me i cast you out of my house and it left quit rapidly i prayed for 10 mins after that
2.i was waiting for a ride when a black cloathed figure stood about 4 ft from me it seemed to put fear in me and i stared at it with my soul on fire i shouted i was an outcast i was doomed to hell because i was a sinner but through JESUS i have life through HIM i have a crown depart from me you wicked spirit
['If you just found out Christianity was a hoax. How would this change your life?']
I would stay pretty much the same, still subscribing to the ideas of Christianity.
However if somehow I came to the conclusion that God did not exist...well, I would definitely take up illegal drug use to try to escape the reality that when life is over that's it.....Yep heavy drug use....that is the way I'd go.
Ah yes! there is nothing more harmless than the summer solstice. Nothing nicer like worshipping the sun for those young hippies. After all sun worship has been used by so many notables as Hitler, babyloninans and egyptians, knights templar, illuminati, I could go on and on!
The power of the sun has been understood by those with occult knowledge throughout the ages. Sun worship is everywhere in the occult. The nazi swastika itself is the symbol of the sun (taken from asian traditions, original symbol of the sun).
What lies in the occult powers of the sun that the elite of our world use to manipulate and control us?
[Advice to a woman whose son has been severely handicapped due to encephalitis he had when he was five. He has seizures and the woman believes her son is possessed by demons]
It does not say in the Bible that demons cannot posses Christians. I wish I could remember the verse, but there's one that says something about a spirit in someone after having the Holy Spirit in them. I'll explain more..
Sickness is always demon attack. Not everyone believes this, however I had "ADD" and a lump in my breast. This pastor said that ADD was a weak spirit and cast it out. He also said something similar about the lump and that's gone. It's what I believe and have been taught about sickness.
Your boy can be healed of all his sickness.
"By His stripes we are healed." That verse doesn't stutter.
Going by the logic that Jesus died so we can be healed, and the logic that sickness is in fact caused by demons.. I can't see what that could be but demons causing that.
We have power, through Jesus, to cast that out. Try to pray against it in Jesus name.
Remember, we are not battling the flesh, but of the spiritual relm.
[After trolling Christian Forums for over 4 years] I know you do not want me here.
Well, its working, you keep reporting me, and I keep getting points. So your plan to get me locked out is working. I have taken polls before and I know that no one wants me here. So hang in there and you will get what you want. They call this a christian web site, but they are clearly against christians here on this forum.
Satan and all of his demons are dancing in the streets over this one. They love to cause trouble. They think it is a victory, but in the end, they go into the lake of fire. Along with anyone that loves a lie, and evolution is a lie. When I lose a battle, it means that Satan has destoryed another person. So I am not even fighting for myself, I am fighting for you. The very people who do not what to hear what I have to say.
The Bible says that God SAID and then there was. If you look at DNA is it made up of letters. Words are also made up of letters. So DNA shows us how the word becomes flesh. How letters take on a physical appearance and become a part of the physical world. [...]
And God said
The words become letters
The letters become DNA
The DNA becomes life.
and it was so.
Oh, they tried using numbers, but it did not work.
They had to assign letter to the different chemical that make up life.
[Talking about God making Eve out of Adam's rib]
Does this contradict science? Is not the DNA in the marrow of the bones or ribs? Does Adam not have a X & a Y. Are you saying that science contradicts the Bible in that you can not form a women out of the DNA found in the rib of man?
By all means, produce your evidence. Now is your chance to prove the Bible wrong once and for all. Or perhaps this is still a little advanced and science has not quite caught up to the Bible on this point. There is a lot of research going on right now with stem cells and bone marrow.
[A young-earth-creationist's critique of those who celebrate the Summer Solstice and give thanks to fictitious cloud men]
Giving "thanks" to the earth is sad as it ties a person to the mundane. People end up doing silly, nonproductive and sometimes harmful things to appease the "the earth" or "the sun". Recylcing, when it makes no economic sense, it the most obvious current result of this mindset. In the past, the rituals were more dangerous (especially for woman, children, the elderly and the weak). Only when those sorts of belief systems were replaced by Christainity did mankind understand that man is special, created in the imagine of God , that every person has basic human rights, that the world is here for us, is rational and knowable and not subject to the whims of caprious spirits lurking behind rocks or grinning from clouds.
So I suppose that it's just a psychological characteristic for murders, adulterers, child molesters, cheaters, liars, and rapist as well.
['It is only for people who equate sexual orientation with murder, adultery, pedophelia, cheaters, liars and rapists. A lot of us stopped doing that in the 1970s after the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental illness.']
Hmm. Last time I checked, the american psychiatric association was not my Savior, and Lord. Therefore, I hold no stock in whatever they state. False prophets will always make excuses for warping the word of God.
[defending a literal interpretation of the Flood, inspite of the obvious cruelty implied... really, how did a literal flood kill them then?]
Show me where it says they drowned. The Bible speaks of Daniel thrown in the lion's den and everyone assumed he would be killed by the lions. You are jumping to the very same kind of conclusion by speaking to what the Bible is actually silent on.
Once we know God's will is health...once it has been shown to us.....WE are to "use our endeavors" .....we are to use and apply the knowledge we have.
Otherwise, GOD puts us in the category of one who commits suicide.
[Dr Hovind should not be called doctor, his degrees are fake and he is a bold faced bigotted liar, even most creationists will agree with me.]
Non accredited does not make it a fake. It just means it is not accredited.
["John is indeed anti-science."]
I am only anti science when they try to support things like evolution.
If they argree with what I believe, then I am very pro science.
For example, when science confirms that the Bible is true, that is good science.
[In response to a previous post where a gay Christian responded to PrincetonGuy's assertion that gay people could learn to love: the gay Christian noted several examples in their 16-year relationship where he and his partner had demonstrated love for each other]
This testimony so very sadly reminds me of hundreds of very similar testimonies about the relationship between pedophiles and young boys. Do the pedophiles in these hundreds of testimonies really love the children that they have sex with? “Love” is spelled with four letters, but that is no excuse to make love a four-letter word.
All I was saying was that either the earth is flat, and the bible is correct, or the earth is round, and the bible is incorect, i'm going to study the issue more and deside for myself which route I want to take. Either Atheist evolutionist, who agrees with all of mainstream sciences, or flat earth litteral bible believer.
I'm leaning toward being an atheist, because if I can't believe the bible to be completly litteraly true, then I can't believe Jesus when he speaks about heaven, etc..
That would make the moon landing a fake, and pretty much all of modern science false...
I know most people don't believe in bigfoot, but after years of being interested & months of researching all the evidence, I'm a firm believer. I think as Christians we should try to prove it exists. Why? you may ask. Because the existence of bigfoot would blow a big hole in the theory of evolution. Descriptions of bigfoot by witnesses fit the description mainstream science has for a very early link in the so-called chain of evolution. In all cases where an animal has naturally evolved from another, the modern one is the only one in existence today. Dogs & cats don't count because they only evolved through the intervention of man.
What do you all think about Bigfoot?
[in a thread about geocentrism]
No offense intended here sj, but I find it curious that you can go though a long post in an attempt to refute one verse and yet swallow a moving Earth theory without a second thought. Are you aware that the only way either model can be conclusively proven is by an observer outside of the Universe?
Evolution was able to get its foot in the door because of a general acceptance of the heliocentric model.
I keep hearing about how wonderful evolution is, and I suppose it can be used as a teaching aid. But other than that, what difference has it really made. How is your life different, and how is the world we live in different because of Darwin's theory? No one really even paid all that much attention to it for the first 100 years. Just a few people here and there.
[Regarding demon possesion]
Can I add that nobody really wants to see the evils of the world both within and without if they don't have to for the most part. It isn't a pretty picture. Evil has many forms and thrives on silence and fear. It is the nature of evil to enslave and kill, in any form.
I wish I didn't know. I wish I didn't see. And I don't fault anyone for living a protected life away from the evil of the world, if they can. Faith was necessary for my survival and I surely don't want anyone else coming into the faith. This really sucks from the practicle side of it. If you don't need to believe to keep breathing, don't. Lucky you.
I believe the Rocky Mountain States and Southern States should secede from the Union, thereby establishing a new Nation united by common religion, language, and morals. Furthermore, I favor the Leadership of a Christian Dictator, who would guide society back onto the path of Righteousness. I believe the greatest level of freedom is achieved only when people exercise their freedom for the benefit of the Nation. (Individualism is an evil philosophy).
I hate Marxism, Feminism, and Liberalism. These ideologies must be destroyed. [Smiley]
The Bible says, seek and you shall find. The problem is most people aren't interested in knowing the truth because it's much easier to believe (and tell) lies especially when it's been passed down from your parent's parents.
so gravity is like magnetism?? why doesnt the "Vaccum" of space suck out the magnetic properties??
Why no flood evidence as man expects it? Perhaps because in the different past rapid seperation of continents the evidence was mutilated! Uplifted, disturbed, moved, and such! No wonder we don't see some silly uniform layer worldwide! Goodness, how did we miss such a simple thing for so long!? Wonderful. God was right all along.
do you have any evidence that shows homosexuality doesnt cause cancer, break up families or lead to drug use????
[Do you have evidence that it does?]
no its not my obligation to provide evidence for common knowledge. this is like you asking me to provide mathematical proof that 2x2=4
[Its not the homosexuality that breaks up families, its the intolerance for homosexuality that breaks apart families.]
last i checked, it does break up families and causes children to become homosexual themselves.
[Since when is drug use a problem linked only to homosexuals?]
studies have shown that many people in prison are there based on drug related charges, and we know that many prisoners practice homosexuality amongst each other. there is a correlation between the two
The fallacies of gravity
just curious if anyone can explain these errors that many people are aware of when it comes to the theory of gravity
number 1. the way gravity reads, scientists have you think that objects of larger mass would have more of a gravitational pull then objects of smaller mass. so tell me how this makes sense
when we look at the sun we see the earth orbiting the sun, and the moon obriting the earth. if gravity were true, shouldnt our moon be orbiting the sun??? oh better yet, how come a planet way out in the distance such as neptune will orbit the sun, yet its moons will not orbit the sun??? something is wrong here, even at thise immense distances the moons will orbit the planets and not the sun, yet the suns "gravity" is strong enough supposedly to keep the planets in orbit.
number 2. why is it, only planets have orbits?? you could put a space shuttle in outter space and a astronaut will not orbit it. you could put the smallest pebbble into outter space and it will not orbit the space shuttle. why is this???? if gravity were true then surely such small objects would orbit larger ones, especially in space
number 3. on earth we see things that defy "gravity" on a daily basis. birds and airplanes for example. are you going to tell me that the gravity of the sun is strong enough to keep PLUTo in orbit but not an airplane or a little bird??????
number 4. scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is, and even then we see anaomolies in space that defy gravity
so my point is that gravity(like other scientifist "tHeories" is very on shaky grounds. it doesnt have the evidnece to back it up, and when examined critically it falls under the pressure(no pun intended )
show me a pebble that orbits a mountain or a bird that orbits the earth and then gravity will make sense. or better yet just show me how gravity works(if it works at all) and then maybe it will be more than just a theory
how do you evolutionsts explain gravity???
Marriage does not predate christianity, only the use of the phrase, I think the poster was talkin bout ordained an set in place by God, not since the time of Jesus, that jes sounds like a play on words.
Educating the Next Generation
Every male, beginning at the age of sixteen, should be REQUIRED to own an automatic rifle, and to know how to use it. It would teach the young men discipline, Nationalism, and respect towards Authority. Their militia service should continue for the defense of our Nation until their 55th birthday.
Every female, beginning at the age of thirteen, completed at age eighteen, should receive training on how to be supportive, submissive wives to their future husbands. This would effectively rid society of feminism, which is nothing but psychological terrorism. Every female should be taught their equal status with men, while recognizing there are differences in roles between the sexes.
As for the working mothers who depend on their jobs for survival, their income should be replaced with a State incentive to be homemakers. This program should require the children be home-schooled. The children would also attend the State-taught courses mentioned above.
do you have any evidence that shows homosexuality doesnt cause cancer, break up families or lead to drug use????
no because it doesnt exist! we know all the risks associated with it(plus its gross) and we know that Leviticus tells us God is strongly against it. and before anyone uses other leviticus quotes to show other "sins" like eating shrimp, let me say that those dont count and are completely different because they are not GROSS
They prohibit religion in the school system and that is a violation of the constitution. I do not want religion taught in the schools anyways, I just want them to teach the Bible. If the constitution says what you seem to think it says, then why did they allow "religion" to be taught in the schools from the beginning?
whats wrong with useing hell fire and hate ful messages to preach the gospel of Christ? all that matters is that these people are saved and not taken into a satanic world of lies and deceit.
["Are lions and leopards different kinds?"]
It depends... Through 1,000 generations of breeding... can you take two lions and breed their offspring into a leopard?
If yes, then they are the same creature with some individuals expressing the traits of a lion and some expressing traits of a leopard (like how some people are white and some people are black... we're both people... but it would take a long time to breed a family of all white people until they get black offspring... it can happen though by selectively breeding the darker children with eachother.