["In reading through so much creationist material over the years, the entire creationist argument seems to boil down to three simple things:
1) Flooddidit
2) Falldidit
3) Goddidit
Am I wrong?"]
I'd say that pretty much sums it up!
But if you want to unify those into a Theory of Everything --- then it's simply:
* GOD DID IT --- CASE CLOSED
It will be without doubt the most shocking day ever, for there are billions who will stand before the throne thinking themselves to be saved, only to be cast into the lake of fire as quickly as they were raised from the dead. It will be a day of great joy for some, but a day of terrible despair for the majority of mankind.
For the lost on that day, there is no hope. It's over! Even after a million-billion years has passed by, the suffering in the lake of fire has only begun!!!
Few Christians, dare I say, very few Christians were saved because they felt God's love. Sinners are saved because they are convicted and ashamed of their sins, and because hell scares the living daylights out of them. Let's be honest, folks!
So why exactly is it that Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, and other "mega church" pastors utterly REFUSE to preach on this subject?
Can anyone say 'Purpose Driven Apostasy'?
[Responds to a poster offering $50,000 to posters that can prove that the Christian God exists.]
"YOU are are evidence that God exists. Deny it and there is no evidence to speak of. You can keep your money."
(On Landoverbaptist.org)
I must admit, their spiel about why Jesus is cooler than an Xbox 360 (e.g. "Can the Xbox 360 effortlessly fling a 50-ton slab of granite off the entrance to a cave?") was kind of amusing because it was true (and it actually answered a conflict I was having about whether or not to buy a 360, as my friends were pressuring me to do).
A plan that has been launched in the California state Assembly – again – could be used to ban references to "mom" and "dad" in public schools statewide by prohibiting anything that would "reflect adversely" on the homosexual lifestyle choice.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55413
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Welcome to the Sodomite Agenda, folks.
I agree God is love, but God is also wrath. The Bible says there are some people who are hated by God, and I believe it. Casting an unrepentant sinner into Hell is not loving. God will pour out His wrath upon them, forever and ever. There is nothing loving about that.
[Except you are ignoring the fact that anyone, gay or straight, can contract and die of an STD. The fact is, a monogamous gay couple have exactly the same chance of dieing from an STD as a monogamous straight couple. So, clearly that is not an argument against homosexuality.]
Unfortunately, homosexuals usually have multiple partners
prior to settling down with one.
I've been spending a lot of time in the library at my University recently (a few too many deadlines left till last minute) and noticed that loads of people write about stupid stuff on the toilet walls and loads of people respond to them...
So I thought...maybe I'll join in (with a topic thats actually important) and see what response I get. So I wrote
EVOLUTION IS NOT FACT. IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO BIBLICAL CREATION.
I got loads of stupid responses at first like 'duh, evolution is SCIENCE, the Bible is bull***t' and 'duh what about fossils' but when I pointed out that the fossil record contradicts evolution, that there are actually no transitional fossils and gave loads more interesting facts about creation, people have actually started to become interested and I've had some positive responses!
Just wanted to share that in case you can make it work for you!
What's callous about noting that blasphemers will have their part in the lake of fire?
[No they're accusing you of being judgmental bigots because you are calling it an abomination of the Lord and claiming that Hell will be their just desserts. How about being supportive and caring for once instead of treating homosexuals as inferiors? No one is perfect, how would you like it if I called lying an abomination of God? Would that help someone stop lying? What about lust? Would that bring someone who suffers from an overactive libido back to the flock?]
Because that's what the BIBLE SAYS!!!
The difference is, I think Ellen White could possibly be in Heaven; whereas Joseph Smith , Muhammed, Charles Taze Russel, etc. are certainly in Hell.
I choose not to hang around people who cannot see the error in Women Preachers, listening to the Beatles, thinking spanking your children is child abuse, whether evoution is true or not...
(discussing the problem with non-creationists) They absolutely do not care about Scripture. They never discuss scripture. When they ask for "Evidence" they are not asking for Scriptural Evidence, but they want NATURAL evidence. Imagine that. What ever scripture supports or insists on creatio ex nihilo, creation out of nothing, they dispense with as "prescientific," or allegorical, etc. Also, they do not believe that the Text has a particular meaning, but that it is a matter of personal preference and multiple choice.
They do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God.
How about no contraceptives, no abortions and limited welfare for new single mothers? The first couple of years would be rough, but people might actually start taking responsibility for their actions.
And as I have said before, the Ark could have been made of plastic* and would have still survived the Flood.
In addition, as I have said before, God could have sent twice as much water as He did, and we'd never find it.
I'll guarantee it.
*Assuming God would have told Noah to make it of plastic.
p.s. I believe Noah dismantled it to build his home.
[When pressed to give non-believers sound proof of God's existance]
OK, here you go:
1) Jesus proved his authority by his resurrection from the dead.
2) Jesus affirmed that the Lord made all of creation.
= Therefore, everything is proof of God.
God will remind you of your evil as he takes vengeance upon you, minute by minute, and second by second. God retributes evil with evil, and both evils will be live and immediate experiences for you throughout all eternity.
So convert already.
[What would you do if you were gay?]
my current mindset is biased against joining that lifestyle and my mindset also says I would rather repent my sins and ask for forgiveness and then immediately attempt suicide.
[Can women preach in church?]
No!
The answer is no, but the word no has never stopped a woman before. Eve was told no and she did not take it as a no.
She was then told by God that since she did not listen that her husband will now be her head.
[...]
Now since you are young and I am old I will tell you something that few know and that is women and men do not hear the same word with the same meaning. God has set it up this way for His own reasons and I don't know why.
If you ask a women to defind the word FAIR she might say that all is equil. If you ask a man what is fair he might say I WIN AND YOU LOOSE, this is fair to a man.
So the bottom line here is a woman should not teach men, because their words mean different things.
The word NO to a man means just that. To a women it is never final.
Life Out There? You've Gotta Be Kidding Me
These scientists are so desperate to find life out there.
This new "earth like planet" will be like just all the others. They will soon find that it will not be able to sustain life.
It's funny. Scientists have looked at millions, perhaps billions of celestial bodies, and not ONE has been proven to sustain any life. Hilarious.
So why does the leadership of the liberal democrats have a bias against pure economics? Because they have an anti-Christian hatred of God's plan for the family. Satan knows he can harm God's people and harm the next generation by making women work outside the home.
[So why would God place the bones of dinosaurs in such a way that we would percieve them as being millions of years ago, from a logistics/relegious standpoint?
The main question is why are the bones there?]
The wording of your question is so interesting. The dinosaurs placed their bones on the ground when they grew too weary to keep walking. Or when one spit out the bones of their meal.
Dinosaurs lived on the earth up until the time of Noah, the bones date to these (supposed) long periods of time, because the injection of water into the equation makes dating methods EXTREMELY unreliable, and there was this little thing known as the world-wide flood.
Just as an example they have taken bones from just dead seals and other water creatures, and when dating them they show tens of thousands of years of age.
DING DING DING DING DING...
I just figured it out !!
If God wanted us to be gay, he would have only created one sex... and we would all be homosexuals.
Since God created two sexes, and since only a male and female combination and not a same sex combination creates children, then homosexuality is in fact a misfiring mentalism...
From the surface of the eyeball, an image is created in the brain via a chemical reaction, whence it is interpreted. If you have a same sex attraction, also in the mind, then that is a mental misfire.
I thought you were an "A"theist. How do you prove that your belief in God does not exist?
I don't mind a little science now and then, but when science contradicts the Scriptures, it has gone too far.
As I have said many times before, we Christians actually hold science up to a higher standard than even scientists themselves do, when we claim that God is the Author of science.
(Just FYI, it was a creationist who invented the scientific method.)
Let us go on a trip of naturalism shall we.......
In order for somthing to be natural it must be shared in characteristics by all members of a party.
It just so happens that all human beings have the same sex organs in that of a man or woman for sexuality.
Homosexuality can't be natural in that the characteristics of homosexuality isn't shared by everyone that is human it is therefore left to be a psychological anomaly.
Let the debate begin.
(For people who believe that abortion is no different from murder: do you think women who have had an abortion belong in jail?)
It depends on the country. Id say sterilize them and put them to work in brothels.
On the subject of naturality specifically on the subject of sexuality somthing would only be natural if it was shaired characteristically by all humans which homosexuality is not.
Also you guys want to debate hair color and other redundant things to deviate from the main subject yet I will say everyone has hair it just exists differently but that doesn't negate naturality at all.
If homosexuality was shared by everyone like all people having hair I would indeed say yes it is natural but the very fact of it all is that it is not therefore again presenting itself as a psychological movement.
I was watching a History Channel presentation about Alexander the Great and was struck by the amount of historical information about him and his battles... then I noticed that the historians being referred to had been writing about and studying Alexander's life in the second century AD. (Alexander lived in the fourth century BC). These "contemporary histories" are hardly of the same caliber of Christian "histories" which were written within one century of the Jesus' life. YET... Alexander's life history gets more credibility among some than Jesus. Funny, huh?
One needs to evaluate the scientific evidence with the bible in one hand, the text book in the other.
Axiom: The Bible is true
Therefore: Scientific evidence that is accurate will conform to the Bible
Therefore: our scientific research needs to ocus on theories that reconcile the observed evidence with Biblical teaching.
No conflict required
If I was atheist I would commit suicide. There has to be a point to life.
Sure, women should teach; but only other women. (1 Tim. 2:12) Black and White. This is not sexist, but honor and respect for the authority of the Word.
A womans' capablilty to teach is not the issue. We should not use justifications like 'well, she's a really good teacher' to usurp the authority of the Word. I'm really good at sex, but that doesn't mean I should impregnate every woman I see.
I think Beth Moore is awesome!
I read online where they said Cho was autistic since he was a child.
I wonder if the austisim was demonic and then it finally led him to murder.
Thanks,
TT
[On the burden of proof]
The burden is yours as you ( "you" being those with doubts ) are the ones questioning the Bible.
I have compassion... but I don't claim to have more compassion than God.
If God condemns a sinner to Hell, if anything man's ultimate punishment, execution, is STILL pretty merciful in comparison.
What are you saying, we should try to be more merciful than God?
I believe Mental Illness and Demonic Possession can be one and the same, especially when dealing with sociopathy, narcism, schizophrenia, multiple personalities, etc. It is sad when such severe issues are dealt with in fleshly ways such as psych wards, and prescription drugs (did you know that the word "pharmacy" comes from the greek word "pharmacia", which means "witchcraft"?), they will either just put a bandage on a much deeper rooted problem, or make it worse (mainly in the case of prescription anti-depressants, which have been known to cause thoughts of suicide). The best solution, I believe, is The Deliverer, Jesus Christ, to come and remove those wicked spirits from the mind, and allow the Holy Spirit to come and give them a peace that passes all understanding.
Now, I know I may seem extremely controversial here, maybe even insensitive, but I do not believe that every victim of this massacre is in Heaven. That is for God to decide, depending on which ones were living for Jesus Christ, and not for themselves. I still pray that this tragedy will bring us closer to Jesus, like 9/11 did, and show us that at any place, any time, our lives could be taken from us, and that eternity is only a gunshot wound away.
This place is filled with people who do not take God's word literally, and find all ways of excusing this. I choose not to hang around people who cannot see the error in Women Preachers, listening to the Beatles, thinking spanking your children is child abuse, whether evoution is true or not... the list is LONG. And I am very greived in spirit by the lack of zeal in God's supposed followers. Why arnt we taking God's word as literal, a handbook because God loves us so very much, and if we just do it HIS way, we wont have some of the troubles we do. I have met very zealous people on here who believe the Bible and use it for their sole authority, but there are others who clearly ignore its teachings, and I cannot hang around and agree with this. If you want to talk to me out side of here feel free to PM me. Im sorry to leave on such terms, but I am evidently upset about this. May God grant you peace and a give you a hope in Him.
Strawman arguments are valid arguments.
Moreover, I suggest that it is you that does not understand evolution: I have thought it through!
"I understand the theory of Plate techtonics.
However, I simply find the idea of magically moving plates of continent, all moving around so fast they push up mountains, yet so slowly no on has ever seen them move (not to mention the problems caused by the lack of a "missing piece"... that is, there simply isn't a way for all these pieces of plate to be racing around without a pre-existing gap for them to move into, otherwise whence comes all that momentum?) is laughably less likely than the Global Flood explanation, which not only addresses the observed evidence quite neatly, but ALSO co-incides with the eye witness and cultural accounts we have."
I think the reason why atheists assume evolution is proof that life can occur absent a creator is that they follow the lead of the church. The church says evolution contradicts a creator and atheists believe it.
"[responded to "there are no facts or details that support creationism"]
Um... how do you figure?
ALL the facts support Creationism because its the TRUTH!"
[response to "Which 'side' are the theists who believe in a 4.5 billion year old earth on?"]
The side which hasn't read the Bible apparently... there simply aren.t 4.5 billion years worth of generations between Adam and Christ.
(On his desire to see non-Christians expelled from the United States)
[And if people didn’t want to freely convert to your Christianity? What then? Concentration camps? Gas Chambers? Genocide? Torture?]
I was thinking expulsion. I am not for murder. expulsion could work.
(Just kick them out.) But of course this will never happen.
[Just wondering. You seem to have given this some thought. What are your plans for my minor son. Does he go with me, or does he become a ward of the Church-State?]
I haven't sat down and written anything out, that is foolishness (because it will never happen in the U.S.A.).
Why would I take your children from you? He is your child, I suppose there could be the option to give him to the care of the state. Though of course you would have to check what denomonation he should become.
[What do you mean birth control? The fact that I have been celibate more than a week means that I've killed millions upon millions of lives.]
No, it doesn't. Man, woman, and God come together to form a child.
Your body belongs to God, and therefore abusing it is just a bad as child abuse... if you allow for gay sex lifestyle you must also agree with pedophilia on the same merits.
The war in Iraq is not lost. It is the beginning of WW III, also called the Battle of Ar Mageddon, which begins where the Euprates recently dried up (in Iraq). The war against the demon-posessed "kings" of the east is eventually won by Israel and her western allies, the chief one being the US.
Islamic terrorists are the 7th head of the beast, which is said to trample the Holy Spot for 1260 years. Thank God the time is about up!
Do YOU Believe in Faeries?
I do!
Faeries are actual beings which inhabit the inner-Earth.
In every myth, there is a shred of truth.
Within the Earth is a paradise far beyond our comprehension. This is where the Garden of Eden stands to this day, and where Abraham and other patriarchs rested in peace, prior to their assumption into Heaven (through the Resurrection of Jesus). This is also where Jesus' spirit went, according to His own words, for three days before His glorious victory over death.
[Later in the thread...]
Lastly, there are remnants of Nephilim which reside on a continent within the Earth. At some point in history the Nephilim made their way back to the surface where they were worshiped as gods. Many of the world's kings were, or rather, ARE Nephilim. The Nephilim found a solution to the gigantism defect and have blended with human society. Many prominent families throughout the world are Nephilim -- loyal servants to their master, the Prince of Lies.
thats what it all boils down too doesnt it? just read a science book and follow blindly whatever the evolutionists say? sorry, im what you call open minded and willing to look at other options before shutting my mouth and accepting whatever told to me in a book(unless its the Word of God) especially when im being told how little is actually known about gravity
Yes, I do not believe in equal freedom for all religions. I believe that Judeo-Christian faiths should be the only ones allowed.
This is, of course, a wish. While the Federal Constitution forbids making any law regarding national religion, it is possible that the states could declare themselves Christian and such. A quick study of the Constitution will show that.