What are the ethics of child free couples? I personally believe it is unethical to be "child free". I believe it is selfish and frankly quite sickening.

Everybody should be celibate. If Jesus is all that we Christians really need, then surely none of us need spouses.

Come on people waky,waky Democracy comes from the devil, There is, no, repeat, no, room in gods house for democracy. Gods house is an army (the army of god) there is no right of voting under any circumstances. God says it, thats the end of it, either get into line or get lost, No army votes for who gets to be in command. God promotes and demotes but he alone makes these deccsions. So as far as this ministry goes god promotes and you tow the line, like it or lump it thats how it is.
To ask for a right of vote on mod's is showing a lack of spiritaul authority and matuirty so why would one want to consider your request, that's in like, of the devil saying, Eve, have you considered this.
I would piont out I am neither a supporter nor have any involvement with this ministry, other than recently signing on as a member.

(Thread about Turkey blocking internet sites and barring them from the EU)

As for Turkey, they don't belong in the European Union because they are not European. They are Muslim.

There are so many stress induced deseases and veneral deseases. Faith in God most definitely does impact the health of the believer, which explains the better health among people of faith... personally have no fear whatever of the prospect of my wife or I ever getting the HIV/AIDS desease... or other sexually related deseases. Immoral behavior often leads to its own punishment.

There was a certain woman who liked wearing red clothing, However when she moved into a certain town, none of the women in this town wore red, because wearing red tended to make people upset and angry, now the men of that town liked to see her wearing red, it was very eye pleasing to them, being that they never see people wearing red clothing, and it was forbidden in this town. Now the women in this town would inform the woman who always wore red, that they are angered by it, that it was causing strife in their town, and the men would gawk, and thing lewd things, and it was forbidden to wear red in this town. But the woman said " I see nothing wrong with wearing red, i do no wrong, it is not my fault they think evil things in their heart, that is their problem, not mine. i like wearing red, it makes me feel good " But others in the town would say to her, but it is causing strife, confusion, anger, and lewd thinking, should you not cease from wearing red then ? But the woman who loved to wear red, did not change, but continued to wear red, because she felt there was nothing wrong with it. What then will the Lord do when He comes to take His people from this town ? He will not take her that wore red, for because of her wearing red, many in that town were not taken, she caused many people to stumble, and lo herself was not taken as well.

This likewise will happen to all those who wear clothing that causes others to stumble, the men to lust, the women to anger.[...]

A True Christian will not do anything or wear anything that might cause another person to commit sin. That is just not Godly.

[Check the poll results to see a startling revelation about the fundie mindset regarding change.]

My political orientation has never changed. I was born this way. Only change is a greater understanding and appreciation of the enemy.

Your justification for the assertion that all love is good is the real I asked the question which I asked, because clearly some expressions of love are perverted, such as homosexual love.

[Interjection: How can anyone tell me that my parents' love for each other is somehow less real than heterosexual love because they both have female anatomy? How sad.]

I would say that your inability to grasp the sin of homosexual behavior and its perversity of love is the fruit of your exposure to homosexual lifestyles. It is for this very reason that I am opposed to homosexuals being able to raise children in homosexual environments - it does violence the children's ability to know the truth.

[That's the problem. You need evidence to support ideas.]
Fine --- give it to me then.

That's what I'm asking you guys to produce.

Impress me --- tickle me pink --- do something.

Just don't give me that old worn-out cliche: It didn't happen.

(And don't contradict the Scriptures, either.) [wink emoticon]

The flood couldn't have been local. After the Flood, God promised he would never do that again. However, local floods have happened many many times. So that would make God a liar, and since God can supposedly never lie, the local flood theory fails.

Seems like those who are in sin get a little defensive when challenged about what they believe. Ya I have a few years behind me and I too have lived in the sin of homosexuality. I have spent a long time talking to men and trying to figure out just why this is such a painful area of mens life. I know men who are recovered alcoholics also who spent years asking themself why they hurt for 15, 18 or more years. God does not make one to be homosexual or a alcoholic. There is a enemy in the world and his name is Satan. He knows your family history, weaknesses, and propensity of how you will act based on your lifes experiences. Satan seeks to destroy lives. He certainly knows that this is a very successful attack on mens lives because the church sits virtually silent on sexual sin. I understand that men have needs in their life and will seek ways to fill those needs. I too had a need that I tried to meet and did so in a illigitament way. I know so many men who still live in a gay lifestyle and man are they miserable. On the outside they put up a good facade but on the inside they still hurt. Most of them I feel have reinforced the gay is ok said over and over so many times in their head that is the only way they can believe it. Some get very hostile with me and defensive. Sure is funny though how they still consider me their friend and care about me. Ya I love them too just as Christ does and pray that someday they can break free just as I did and find real peace and joy that surpasses all understanding. I would ask anyone who does not agree with me one question. If what you believed was not true wouldn't you want to know it?

you are blind and refuse to see.

marriage was made for man and woman. a gift from God. marriage is not for two men together nor for two women together. no where do i contradict myself.

We have proof that there is an afterlife because Jesus raised people from the dead and Jesus raised himself from the dead. We have proof through multiple eye witnesses to events that occurred almost 2000 years ago.

Unless a homosexual couple is never going to have sex, you will be sinning because you can't get married. Also, it says it's sin in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Now, people translate that verse, because it isn't what they want to hear. You guys waste your time. It is what it says. Deal with it. Translate verses is not the way to go. You listen to what God said. The new age churches are translating verses. This is what false prophets do. People are deceived by them because it is what they want to hear. Look at the verse for what it is. It clearly states that it is sin.

I don’t know if we should get into a discussion about what proof is however I would like to give you some food for thought. If the Christian God is real then everything in the universe is “proof” of his existence. If the Christian God is real and the bible is the accurate account of the Christian God then the bible is, without question, proof of the Christian God. The proofs are in the form of eye witness testimony.

you don't know what God blesses and what He doesn't bless because you reject what He says. you go blind and deaf when His word speaks directly to you.

i can tell you to the utmost GOD DOES NOT BLESS SIN in any way, shape, or form. NO He does NOT bless homosexual activities. you KNOW this deep down inside but you reject it. if you don't know this then you don't know God.

<<Pagan nonsense for a change?>>

I am a devotee of the goddess Athena. I pray to her, I talk to her, I believe in her. And in return she has provided for me. Life has been admittedly rough since I knelt before her, but I have never been without something when I truly needed it.

Is your point that so called "anti-homosexual" doctrine is harmful to practicing homosexuals? Well, if that's the case then you are right. It is harmful to practicing homosexuals and it should be harmful to them. It should convict them to their very soul and make them sick. It should make them sick of their disgusting behavior. Then maybe they'll change their ways and practice chastity like they should do!

(on homosexuality)

Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sins Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sin Sick.

Shapes prove there is a God!

Okay, I had one of my crazy thoughts driving home this evening. Has anyone else ever noticed that things that God created are circular or curved, but things that are man-made are not circular. Okay, just for fun, poke holes in this crazy idea of mine. Lets see what we come up with.

A Prayer for America

Our Father who art is heaven, hallow be thy name.

I pray that Christianity will be victorious over Islam in the Middle East wars so that Islam will be denied the conquest of the world through force and have to deal in the world of ideas on a intellectual level instead of a terrorist level.

I pray the world will accept the concepts of Democracy, Christianity an Capitalism and compete on an economic level instead of a military level.

I pray Mexico will see the total failure of there governmental system that causes people to flee to find work.

I pray Venezuela will see the failures of socialism as proved by Cuba.

I pray that Christianity will be victorious over Atheism in America so that America will return to be a Christian Nation where the Christian Lifestyle is advocated instead of the Atheistic Lifestyle.

I pray people will see that the Christian Family Concept of the Christian Lifestyle provides the best possible protection for men, women and children.

I pray that journalists will see the harm they cause to America by the biased reporting in the Cultural War.

I pray for the America Judicial System that they might return to the Blackstone concept of Law.

I pray for those involved in or advocate extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism pornography, abortion and homosexuality because of the disease, death and destruction that is involved.

I pray for a revival in America where people accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and look to the Bible for instructions for the decisions of their daily lives.

This I ask in the name of Jesus Christ.

Occam's razor states that the simplest answer tends to be the right one.

Which is the simplest answer?

That man is the result of evolution, is desended from monkeys which desended from dogs which desended from slime because of a cosmic acident in which the universe just happened to perfectly fit what was required for life?

Or

That God designed and created the universe as is and placed life into it?

Occams Razor says that God did it as obviously the God answer is much more shorter and simpler than evolution.

Case closed.

My point of view is that there there are no atheists who do not believe in morality and also that there are no atheists who do believe in morality - and therefore that there are no atheists.

[What you refer to as "fearmongering nightmare dreams" is the accurate explanation of the future. Whatever you want to call it, I want an example a child who's been scared by, for example, the statement: "In billions of years, the sun will run out of nuclear fuel and begin to expand into a red giant. It will shed its outer layers until finally collapsing into a white dwarf.]

"They talk of all suns burning out, and everything falling in a black hole, galaxies colliding, in a cosmic roller derby, and death and despair and dark hopelessness at every turn. Any child that has heard, or been taught about heaven wonders how all this fits in with it. How am I supposed to live forever and the sun and moon and stars last forever, and our city last forever, when these guys claim we are all gooing to crash and burn??"

Yes, enemies. Jesus had them. The prophets had them. Christians have them, whether they realize it or not. I think it is high time they started to realize it. People like those that launch the lawsuits to get prayer or crosses, or the bible, etc out of the state, or country, or schools, etc.
We are in a war of the worlds, and only one side will come out as winners. The battle has begun.

One time though, I was standing in
the living room waiting for something
to heat on the stove, watching the
tv, and the Lord spoke right to me, and
said, " I have hear her prayers and I
am giving her a child" (there was more
too but that was the beginning of the
message).

I was sort of freaked out, and I knew
without Him saying who He was referring
to, exactly what He meant.
It wasn't anyone I had been praying for
or even spoke to more than once a month
if that.

I asked Him why He told me and if I were
to share the info etc. but He didn't
choose to have a conversation about it
I guess.

[You can't prove. The most you can do is explain how your interpretation of the bible leads you to believe they are wrong.]

The same could be said about evolution, physics, chemistry, or any other science that most accept as fact.

In a discussion about Dan Barker's "Easter Challenge", a wonderful example of hand-waving.

Quote: "Oh, well that just sorts it all out then.

Or perhaps, you could actually take a stab at solving the Easter Challenge? It's really only a problem for inerrantists."

What's to solve? There are no contraditions.

The British public are a bunch of pansies. Why should we expect their armed forces to be any different? What a difference that 25 years can make.

[Evolution]'s a naturalistic a priori assumption and it has no real basis in science. It certainly is not answer for the historical content of the Scriptures.

My friend Mark told me his Chinese friend Peter invited him to lunch at his house last week.

Inside Peter's house, he saw pictures of frogs and dogs hanged on the wall. Peter told him he had to do ancestor worship (which is a common Chinese practice) before lunch.
He felt curious and asked, "Where are the pictures of your ancestors ? I can't see any except pictures of ugly frogs and dogs ?" Suddenly, Peter got furious and said how dare he insult his ancestors.

Later, Mark found out that Peter believed that the ancestor of his father's father was a frog, the ancestor of his father's mother a dog, the ancestor of his mother's father an ant and the ancestor of his mother's mother a mosquito.

<<Hypothetical: Give reasons as to why a technologically advanced, intelligent, human-like "star trek" visitor to Earth when presented with Christianity would believe it?>>

Because the histories of miracles in Christianity are more reliable and present to the curious researcher.

Because Christianity is based on historical facts which happened "on our timeline", eliciting all kinds of reactions from contemporaries, and not in some mythical past.

Because the teachings of Christianity are in perfect agreement with what reason, common sense and our basic primary experience tell us about reality and our place in it.

Finally, because only in Christianity allows men to become all that they can be, and that is why it is the only religion in the world to have on its behalf the example of the saints.

In a nutshell.
All other Gods are dead, but Jesus is alive.
Seems logical to follow christianity really.
John.

When it comes to faith, proof and evidence was the last thing I looked for, and I admit to it fully.

God told me this. Those words came into my head specifically. A huge overflow of good and evil are coming. I'm just saying that there's something not good about Barrack Obama. I don't care if my mom and I are the only one's who see it. Something is not good when I look at him or I think of him.

I believe the huge overflow of good and evil means that there's a war coming between good and evil. I believe this has something to do with the Anti-Christ. I feel like I'm supposed to preach. About 2 years ago, the number 24 came to me and I thought age. I think I'll be around that age when I begin preaching and when the Anti-Christ comes. I believe I'm supposed to preach during the time of the Anti-Christ. Preach the Truth that Jesus told us. Keep people away from him. I don't believe I'm the only one. I believe my generation's blessed. I tell you now, be prepared. A lot of bad things are about to happen within the next 10-15 years probably but also, God will be with us and a lot of good will happen as well.

There’s no such thing as an “X-Christian”.

Let’s imagine that it’s a beautiful spring day and you walk to the park to eat your lunch under the shade of an old oak tree.

As you’re eating, watching the squirrels chase one another, listening to the giggling children as they play, a man in a wheel chair rolls up to you and says, “do you mind if I join you?”

“Of course not”, you say, “the more the merrier!”

So he pulls up alongside you, takes out his lunch and you begin to talk. After a while, the conversation turns to his wheel chair.

Awkwardly, you ask, “If you don’t mind my asking, how did you come to be in that wheel chair?”

“Oh, this thing?” he says with a laugh, “well, you see, about five years ago, I was crossing some railroad tracks and I was sure I could beat that train. I guess I was wrong. The train ran over me. Took off both legs and about 20” of intestine.”

You’re horrified. “That’s terrible!”, you say.

He looks at you with a reassuring smile and answers, “Oh, it’s OK. You see, I don’t believe in trains anymore.”

That’s insane, right? I mean, here the guy is, sitting right in front of you, two legs sheared off and a colostomy bag at his side to testify his encounter with the train.

The Bible tells us that when a person has an encounter with the Living God, there will be discernable, demonstrable evidence. Just as this man showed physical evidence, so will Christians show spiritual evidence and character traits that the Bible calls the “fruit of the Holy Spirit.”

There’s no such thing as an X-Christian. Either they’re showing the evidence, or they’re not.

yes, the truth does hurt, atheists sit on keyboards and swill beer in the student union and holkd foreth on long philosphical arguments and do next to nothing to inprove the muman condition.....that is why all the medical clinics, orhphanges, jungle hosipitals, feeding centers etc say ST. this and St. that and Jesus this and Jesus that, and the atheists are sitting back at home swilling beer and typing on their keyboards.....

[For a slight change of pace, a Hindu fundie...]

How can an object have no mass. If it has no mass, how can it exist? E=mc^2 doesn't apply to an object without mass or momentum. momentum = mass*velocity

So how can a photon have momentum? I think it's all crap to explain crap. Just because it works on planet earth.

Yeah if everyone kept their mouth shut, we'd still be in roman numerals using abacuses. Great advice Arunma.

Every body of mass has gravity ullu.... So why doesn't everything merge into one object? Why isn't the universe collapsing onto itself? Have you heard of strepulsion force? It comes from the Vedas and is now widely accepted scientific fact.

Even I have gravity, but not to the scale of this Earth. My question is, why doesn't the Earth collapse into the Sun? The sun into a bigger star? The star into our galaxy, and our galaxy into a black hole. Why is keeping objects from hitting each other? The largest mass should be absorbing everything.... Why isn't it?

Perhaps the best proof of the reality of God is the fact that so many people use other's belief in God to manipulate, oppress and otherwise take advantage of people for their own personal gain. Why not attack the hypocrisy of leaders in business and government that manipulate patriotism, environmentalism and racism for political and economic gain? But no.... you have to attack the Christian believers. Not the Muslims, Jews or Hindis or Sikhs... no they are protected. Go after the Christians, after all, they are likely to kill you.

[Ann Coulter]

I listened to some of Godless: The Church of Libralism on Doubleday Bookclub to see if I wanted to buy it. And Ann reminds me of a female Archie Bunker from All in the Family, one of my favorite shows. I guess that's why I like her. She speaks her mind and doesn't care who she hurts. She's a strong woman and doesn't back down no matter what the libral media says about her. That's what we need in a president. As far as being a Christian. She may be the most Godly woman we know. Lord knows Archie Bunker was and look what he said.

Maths will kill the evolution of every biological structure.

Just wanted to know if anyone has any mathematical statistic or probability calculations for the evolutionary products delineating the probability of them arising in the time they have to arise with reliable pathways elucidated.

Untill this has been done evolution is completely ungrounded and i predict now that it is the inabililty to do this maths and the conclusion of future attempts to do this maths that will spell the undoing of evolutionary theory!! you heard it here first.

its the lack of maths that Is powering ID and true they dont have it all worked out but it is felt missing in the current framework and felt to be against the current framework the evolution of every biological structure by random processes just feels mathematicly off, by a rather large margin

It'll take more than a radio telescope to frighten angels.

I get sick when I see a cherub on a Hallmark card (or anywhere else these days).

Cherubs are not cute little babies posing for their pictures; they are elite fighting angels, of which Lucifer was the cream of the crop.

[Are drugs sinful?]

he Bible give us some guiding principles about this subject.

Galatians 5

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The word witchcraft come from pharmakÌa means literal in Greek use of medication.
You can read more about it here
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-b...l?strongs=5331

I hope that helped you.

[I think God has more important things to deal with than who wins on some dopey TV show.]

Nothing is too unimportant for Him. Just think of how when people pray to find their car keys (that Satan has hidden), the Holy Spirit leads them to the keys.

[On the morality of sodomy]

Is it wrong. Absolutely.
It is absolutely a sin to be given much and then turn around and spit in the face of the giver. It is absolutely a sin to attack the guests who you are honor-bound to protect and serve, even to the degree of risking your own life ("hospitality" was a much more intense concept in that culture). It is absolutely a sin to abuse those who are vulnerable.
It is wrong, regardless of the marital status or gender of the people involved.

There is no better term than propaganda blitzkrieg to describe what has
been unleashed against Christian conservatives recently.

Consider the long list of anti-Christian books that have been published
in recent months. Here are just a few samples of more than 30 similar
titles, all from mainstream publishers:

"American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America"

"The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of Us"

"The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason"

"Piety & Politics: The Right-wing Assault on Religious Freedom"

"Atheist Universe: The Thinking Person's Answer to Christian Fundamentalism"

"Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and
Threatens America"

"Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right"

What is truly alarming is that there are more of these books for sale at
your local large book store warning against the perils of fervent
Christianity than those warning against the perils of fervent Islam.
Does anyone seriously think America is more seriously jeopardized by
Christian conservatives than by Islamic zealots? I fear that many
Americans believe just that in the same way that many pre-World War II
Westerners considered Churchill a bigger threat than Hitler.

Considerably more intellectual energy is being pumped into the
propaganda campaign against Christianity than was ever delivered to the
anti-smoking or anti-drunk-driving campaigns. Fervent zealots of
secularism are flinging themselves into this anti-Christian war with
enormous fanaticism.

If they succeed, Christianity will be driven underground, and its benign
influence on the character of America will be lost. In its place we
shall see a sinister secularism that menaces Bible believers of all
faiths. Once the voice of the Bible has been silenced, the war on
Western Civilization can begin and we shall see a long night of
barbarism descend on the West.

Without a vibrant and vital Christianity, America is doomed, and without
America, the West is doomed.

I just watched Mel Gibson's movie again and came away with a new thought: 2000 yeas ago we killed God physically trying to avoid the truth of the Gospel. Today, 2000 years later, the rational, intellectual community is trying to kill God again, only this time it is in a way that they believe is unresurrectable. God lives! Nothing that atheists can say or do will change that fact. God lives.

This entire thread is redicules... what other laws should people be able to break and we will all look the other way just to be charitable ?

Is that really the Catholic thing to do ? Or are some just trying to act like they have piety ?

When some illegal alien runs your butt over while you are crossing the street and leaves you for dead because he does not want to get deported and does not have a DL... Don't forget, in some states (or all of them) if it is a hit and run your insurance company does not have to cover it because you need to prove the other driver does not have insurance. I know that is the law in CA for certain.

Brits are cowards, generally. They feel a lot of collective guilt for centuries of imperialism- brought by war against non-European countries like Iran.

America never fought other countries to create colonies and exploit people and resources- so we have no problem going to another country and attacking them. They blame themselves for the situation those nations are in.

I have little compassion for the poor. It doesn't mean I'm a bad Christian- it means I know what is going on the world.