There are a lot of things I have concluded to be wrong, without studying them in-depth. Evolution is one of them. The fact that I don't know that much about it does not bother me in the least.

For the people who worked in the twin towers and even the people of NYC, in a very short period of time things had changed quite a bit.

The world seems to be that way. One storm can bring about more change than 100 years of normal weather.

How do evos reconcil that changes come about so fast yet their theory calls for slow, gradual change.

The concept of "free will" will truly be realized only when we are in Heaven. "Free will" is more than just "the ability to make choices." True "free will" is the ability to always make the right choice. Such an ability was lost when man fell from grace.

I attend a Mega Church as well. We are Mega in Love with Jesus.

Incidentally, if the universe is infinite, then the earth is an equal distance from it's edge in all directions which means, technically, it is at the centre.

[Our bodies weren't designed for it [skiing], thus its a sin. Right? You essentially just said...we would have been born with skis on our feet if we were meant to ski (to the agony of our mothers).]

No, what I said in this, rediculous conversation, was 1.Men and women oviousley were designed to interact sexually together. and 2. If a woman was born with skis, and I chose to go skiing on the back of a man, then it would be a sin. Look I don't care if anyone wants to be a homosexuall, I just don't want them to go to hell. It is amazing what lengths people will go to to justify their sin.

[To some of us, the concept of eternally torturing people is evil.]

That eternal torment is for their benefit --- consider this:

Right now the Holy Spirit is here keeping evil at bay. Despite this fact, we've had our Neros and Stalins and Hitlers and Pol Pots, etc. People who have done unimaginable evil things to others.

Now picture Hell without the fire and brimstone: nice houses, quiet streets, beautiful gardens, lakes, and ponds. Plenty of fishing, hunting, hiking, whatever your heart's desire.

And best of all: no God - no Bible - not a Christian in sight! In fact, it's an Atheist's Paradise; with survival-of-the-fittest and natural selection a daily occurrence.

Now all of a sudden, Nero shows up, then Stalin, then Hitler, then Pol Pot. Can you even fathom how those men would turn your little paradise into a torture chamber for all eternity?

No --- God is not going to let that happen. You see, He made provisions for that --- even in Hell; because Nero and Stalin and Hitler and Pol Pot are going to be too busy with their own problems to be thinking of anyone else.

Me --- I'm taking the cool way out --- through Jesus Christ.

[Genesis isn't scientific.]

Au contraire.

Since science has a word for what we call miracles (i.e. "singularity") - that makes the Bible a "book of singularities" - which makes it very scientific.

DNA for paternity and maternity is very recent and new. Some attempts have been made to use DNA to prove evolution. Now DNA is doing more to falsify evolution because the DNA fails to show the paternity and maternity needed for common descent to be true.

Actually there is much persecution today. In the Christian West with our stress on love and tolerance, the anti-Christian and anti-Jew persecution comes in many subtle forms...

It may be that workers and military personnel and professionals are given slightly lower performance ratings, or that they are socially excluded so they will quit jobs, or that gov't bureaucrats deny Christians and religious colleges equal access to grants and research funding...

And it may be that school teachers and college profs grade lower when a vocal believer is in class...

All these and a hundred more ways are non-violent persecution, but just as effective as if a thief stole a Christian's wealth at knife point.

God is greater than all these. I laugh at the enemy. The blood of martyrs is seed for the church. God will not allow us to suffer anything beyond His grace to withstand.

The Christian Family Concept represents the best possible situation for men, women and children. Men get their sexual needs satisfied, women get the security they need to have children, and children get training from both a loving father and mother.
[...]
Socialism destroys families by locking women into welfare that keeps them alive, but never allows them to leave. Socialism allows women to make casual choices about sex instead of the tough choice of what man provides the best security. Feminism deceives women into believing they do not need men for security. Pornography deceives men into thinking they can get good sex from bad women. Abortion is a way for women to go out and sow wild oats and then kill the crop.

Me and my husband is thinking about having a baby, but hestitate, because his brother (which we have no contact with whatsoever) is presumably gay. Might this affect the baby? Is there some precautions I can take, or some medicaments I can eat to make sure my child is pure? Thank you for your help, don't know what i'll do without you

[In response to a post made about the "atheistic lifestyle" being very nearly the same as the "Christian lifestyle" in that atheists get up, eat, dress, work at jobs, etc., as do Christians]

Your implication that there is little difference between the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle was not really complete.

There are several activities associated with the Atheistic Lifestyle that you left out:

1) How about the time to find a sexual partner that results in AIDS.

2) How about the time to go to the doctor for diseases associated with AIDS and the time to take the AIDS cocktails.

3) How about the time to go get a drug fix.

4) How about the time to steal money for the next drug fix.

5) How about the time to find a sexual partner that results in an illegitimate child.

6) How about the time to go to the welfare office for checks for the illegitimate child.

7) How about the time on the Murray Povich show to figure out "who the daddy is" for the illegitimate child.

8) How about the time spent trying to get child support from a father that was interested in nothing but the sex.

9) How about the time to find an abortion clinic.

10) How about the time to go to a Psychiatrist to get over the guilt associated with the abortion.

11) How about the time at the AU, ACLU and NOW meetings.

There really is a major difference between Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle.

Are you trying to suggest that science learned something new? Imagine that, huge amounts of money is spent for research and now they actually have learned something to add to man's understanding.

[Which would you choose: security or liberty?]

Maybe it's a stupid answer but I say : none. The love of God is enough for me, he can give me either one of them.

God wants gay people? I don't think so. Wait. Yes, He does want us to be gay -- HAPPY gay but not disgusting gay gay.

[Paul's response to a thread he created entitled, "Is abortion OK if it would end homosexuality?]

I was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and he presented this interesting scenario. What would happen if the woman's right to choose an abortion interfered with homsexual's rights - which I think it is very conceivable that this could happen. Would the gays champion the right for a woman to choose an abortion, even if it means there will be far less homosexuals in the world - at least enough that they will no longer be a political force in the world? My guess that if this scenario ever hapens the homosexuals would become the staunchest pro-life group ever.

And what of the feminist? Would the feminst change his position on abortion? Would the feminist be in favor of outlawing abortion if it would endanger the homosexual right to exist? My guess is that the pro-abortion crowd do not care if it means the total extinction of their homsexual friends.

oh yeah like evolution, how they just rings with truth. the other night i was watching a movie show on dinosaurs, the lies that they used in that, it was just another effort from the devil to decive the naive. It was so obvious it was just a big lie, what they did was describe detailed specific characteristics about the dinosaur like there internal organs and how they had two of this one type of organ. then after they explained how it worked etc. they used that "special organ" to support evolution they went on to say it was the first in many changes to this other animal.

non-christians dont look for the truth they look to support their beliefs more than any other. how many times do you see similar situations where they have formed lies to fill the unknown facts and then use it to prove correct a belief that is obviously a hoax.

Ah, the "altruist" seems so heartfelt.

But without the blood of Jesus, we are nothing, spirits headed headlong into hell, never seeing the darkness, the eternal darkness that waits for our sinful souls.

This is the worldly philanthropist outlook, people who think that by some certain work we'll enter heaven. Perhaps helping loved ones, or others, giving, etc. that that will satisfy our condition. But the fact remains that we are more than our bodies, and something will happen to our spirits when we die.

I'm laughing at the remarks about the Old Testament not applying anymore; ridiculous. The prophecies of old fulfill right before our very eyes, but the scales hide the truth from some. The Old Testament law is just as true today as yesterday; our God never changes.

I'm amused at the reference to Job; probably the oldest book of the Bible, that it is referred to as in "the middle", but Job is so real today, it seems like the lessons learned must have been cut out for just this generation!

As for "the good life being one inspired by love and knowledge"; I would only say 'tis true friend; but something's missing. Virtually every person ever born has affection for family, and pursues worldly knowledge. In that case, even Hitler had this form of "love" and "knowledge".

The search for God's Love and knowledge will eventually lead one to the Truth, the Way, the Life; that is Jesus. No search for Love or knowledge is complete without God's Son.

We cannot know true Love, nor Wisdom, without Jesus in our hearts.

I have gotten the evolution thing for forty years (I'm48) I grew up on National Geographic specials, and I bought it hook line and sinker, until I compared it to genesis, and both can't be true, so I choose Genesis.

I wouldn't play a game called stump the Christian. I'd play a game called Increase the Faith in Jesus. Then instead of 'defending' the faith, you can use the word of God as a sword, 'attacking'

Timlamb you are so right on everything you have posted. I totally agree with you, you can find evidence for anything that you want to believe. Is evolution a fact? Was my gre----at grand-dad an ape? Why are there still apes? I just wanna know if I wait 1 million years will my toyota turn into a merecedes? Is there a way to speed this up? Am I being smart? Nope. I think it all comes down to a heart matter, and what you want. I believe that if you want truth, you will find it. By the way, how can I make my pet rock, come alive? non-living matter into living matter. Why is this so simple for a child. but so hard for the super-educated? I used to make things fit my lifestyle, I do not do that anymore, and I have really been shown alot since then. I am not attacking anyone here, just making a point which I am sure is useless. Oh yeah I am educated if that is what you want to call it. May God open all of our eyes....michael

[What if it's magic produced by a CGI tech's computer?]

"it's still magic whether it's pixels or real-life
the same spirits behind them both"

You forgot some other practices that have been developed through Darwinism:

Communism, Nazism, Racism, Atheism, Materialism, Amoralism, Scientism, Pantheism, Monopolism, Anarchism, Social Darwinism, Freudianism, abortion, drug culture, promiscuity, eugenics, genocide, chauvinism, bestiality, Satanism to name a few.

I really don't want to get started on atheists, at least not on this thread (that would be hyjacking). But it sounds like you have met a much kinder atheist than I. I have found them all to be quite self centered and self absorbed. They pick up on causes, sure; but it is painfully obvious that they value earthly life so highly, because they believe this is all there is. And not much is worth dying for. Although many atheists have little tolorance for their perception of evil.

Atheists do have a tendency to be more civic minded than Christians, but mostly in an attempt to find meaning and beauty in life. "Those who Love this life will lose it".

What you are discribing seems to more closely fit those I know with a more "Pantheistic" view. They set a high moral standard in support of all life. They also are willing to condone any moral battle if it has an objective for the greater good. As in protecting "Mother earth" and all life to the extent of sacrificing life.

umm, what is your point? That is all crap? lets say that I am in the medical field, which I am. What we think is right changes every few minutes. This is a fact, research this point. I do not understand the point at all, and no I am not stupid Evolution has been found wanting. What created everything? No matter what you say, you have to have a creator. I wonder what the agenda is behind this? I have studied it a great deal on my way to becoming a nurse, it is like let me close my eyes to this part. Is the missing link is still missing? Where are all these fossils of humans from 1 million b.c.?

I only saw Lotr felowship of the ring(the first one)
and i started sweating bad!! i felt heat all over me
i knew something demonic was in it.
needless to say i never watched the 2nd and third Lotr

The only way the west will survive is if it embraces Christianity, real Christianity (not the lesbian ordaining varity), again.

Isa 19:19-20 explains where and when Jesus will return again. This is my theory, even though I pray daily - "Please Lord Jesus, tell me where and when will you return?" But God will not answer because of Satan's pychic power to read minds of all Christians and atheists. That's why the bible symbolic prophecies are not literal, otherwise Satan will know when to hide and avoid Jesus from destroying his human disguise and sent him back to hell.

The fact is, genes make sense only in the context of the organism – and the organism only makes sense only within the context of the environment they live in. Animals, in fact, seemed to have completely disappeared from the realm of evolutionary biology. Nobody talks about animals anymore.

But I don’t believe you can separate the two. And not only do I believe that the organism can effect the environment, but the environment can also effect the organism. It’s another two-way street that evolutionists have chosen to completely abandon because of their head-in-the-sand version of science which validates their atheist agenda.

But see I have a theory as to why science must do this: It’s because science has come to realization that all animals have brains and consciousness in varying forms. These, of course, are the anti-science because science cannot explain such a phenomenon. But the fact is each animal has it’s own brain – and each brain comes pre-programmed with its own abilities according to how God designed it. Each animal has a different function and different abilities. God knew beforehand that environmental circumstances would be changing, thus he gave each organism the ability to change with it. This is simple common sense.

Therefore, I believe that God designed Finch brains to be able to subconsciously decipher when the environment changes and when a modified beak is needed. Likewise I believe God made it so peppered moths are able to modify their wing-patterns based on environment or background colors. This is no more unbelievable than the fact that a fish can change colors or that a snail can grow a bigger shell in the presence of predators. It all comes from the same creative Designer.

And what’s funny is evolutionists – in one breath – will tell you how they do not deny plasticity—.yet in the next breath will tell you that’s not how finches and moths changed! If these people were intellectually honest, they wouldn’t talk out of both side of their mouths like that—they would admit the truth. But I no longer expect the truth out of atheists.

And if you think about it, there is no way that plasticity – adaptivity – could have “evolved” like evolutionists say because common sense says that this feature is automatically hard-wired into the brain. To believe otherwise would be to believe that millions-year-old moths didn’t have the same physical/mental capabilities as a present-day moths – even though they both have brains. I believe in order for an animal to not be adaptive it would have to be born without a brain. [...]

I don’t buy it....and you evolutionists are all outmatched by common sense.

The only thing a kid will learn in an American public school is that homosexuality is good, and America is bad. There is no way, under any considerations, circumstances, or conditions, that my kid will attend one of our leftist public brain laundries.

So did God Create the Heavens and the Earth, or did mutations create the Heavens and the Earth? It has to be one or the other, it can not be both.

Neo-darwinism is truly a National disgrace. I do not say this as a cheap attempt at an insult. I say it with all honesty. Satan -- with the help of his little red-headed, mental-terrorist step-child (Charles Darwin) -- has turned this great nation upside-down. A small percentage of atheistic intelligence bandits have somehow managed to manipulate their way into the hearts and minds of the general population.

And this has been done though large-scale, mind-numbing, brainwashing techniques that have convinced a large portion ofAmerica that dumb creatures have evolved into intelligent ones. They have succeeded in convincing many that a tricycle can evolve into the space shuttle through blind and purposeless mutations guided by the mere notion that animals actually breed and have offspring. They have dumbed-down
society to the point where many people actually believe this stuff....people actually believe that the only differences between sweaty, bug-picking monkeys and humans are short arms and opposable thumbs. They think the difference between a hippo and a dolphin is just a series of random mutations that reshape the body. Little gets mentioned about how and where a dolphin's sonar came from.

Why is it that spiders could spin and weave a million years ago, but they try to say people could only spin or weave 20,000 years ago.

[Public schools fall under the state side of the separation of church and state. If you want to create a theocracy then you’ll have to do it somewhere else.]

If you want "seperation" then you are going to have to go elsewhere, can I recommend a few communist countries for you to try out. Our founding fathers began this country as a christian nation. We are not about to allow you to change that now.

The only seperation was that there was to be no state approved church like they had back in europe. In Russia the Orthodox Church was the official church. In Rome the Catholic Church was the official Church. In England the Anglo Church was the official Church.

The Danbury Baptist Association were concerned about that here in American and Thomas Jefferson reassured them that they had nothing to worry about no one was going to restrict or hinder their religious freedom.

Now you and others want to take those very rights away from Christian. The rights that many people have died to give us and that Jefferson worked hard to secure for us. You want to deny us the rights that our ancestors worked hard to secure for us and at times even went to war to secure.

Why should I allow you to take away what they were willing to fight for and even willing to sacrifice their life for? Why should I give up my freedoms today?

[Reply to ERV evidence supporting evolution...]

First of all the ERVs don't interest me in the slightest, it's like geology and radiometric dating, it doesn't mean anything to me.

[About a new law in Ohio where you can be placed on the sexual offenders list without having been convicted of a sex crime]

Maybe the ACLU should defend against acting on suspicions and supposed inferential meanings. It goes on everywhere, including here. And it has got to stop.

Rash judgments of another posts is just as wrong as judging another to be anti-semitic (just because an Orthodox Jew or Lebanese citizen is against the Zionists) or a sexual pervert (just because they are gay). Both can cause loss of employment and are definitely inflammatory.

Our Lord told us not to judge "lest ye yourself be judged."

He also told us that by their fruits you would know them.

So, if someone is caught with pornography on their computer, then that is a problem. Pornography is very dangerous. Isn't it true that almost all serial killers are addicted to porn? Aren't almost all sexual perverts addicted to porn?

If the Ohio law is placing someone on the sexual predator list because the authorities have evidence of hard core porn on their computers or hard core porn magazines in their possession, then this is a valid concern.

[If there really was a subject called Creation Science, how would you teach it?]

SUBJECT: CREATION SCIENCE

LAYOUT: 6 WEEKS - 2 HOURS EACH WEEK

REQUIREMENTS: 1611 KING JAMES BIBLE

EXPECTATIONS:

* Be able to explain the Six Days of Creation as conveyed to us from God in Genesis 1.
* Be able to explain the difference in the order of God's Creation vis-a-vis the order of Evolution.
* Be able to define and support/refute the major sub-doctrines associated with the Six Days of Creation (Water Canopy, Day-Age Theory, Gap Theory).

LAYOUT:

* Weeks 1 and 2 = What was created and when.
* Weeks 3 and 4 = The difference in the order of appearance.
* Weeks 5 and 6 = Studying applied theories.

CREDITATION: Certificate upon successful completion.

[A thread debating whether women can be ordained. Someone mentioned Beth Moore: "If it looks like a pastor, feels like a pastor and smells like a pastor.... well, you know the rest"]

Doenst make it right. BTW, Pastors are Men, so a woman cant look liek one.

Look at Joel Osteen.

I am the one that wastes a lot of time on here because no one knows anything about evolutionary theory. Even most Phds in Biology know very little about it.

[Do you think that maybe, just MAYBE, that it might be your idea of evolution is incorrect, meaning that your assertions about evolution don't match up to what others say?]

Maybe Evos have come to realize that their theory is incorrect. They use to try and defend it, but they do not try to defend it anymore.

["Why is it when man does good, the atheist stand up and applaud how wonderful! Never giving God any credit. But when man does evil, God is to blame."]

Mankind blames God-

Reasons-

Satan-the Great Fool of Lies hates God! Satan feeds off the hate of People around the world, and he spreads more hate in Mankind's veins.

The Wise see through Satan, and we see what he is, and what he does, and plans to do!
Those darkened by Satan's whispering thoughts of disbelief blame God, for they cannot see in the end how Good triumphs over evil in the end.

To Blame God becomes a Landslide Numbing Crash.

The brain is the fundamental unit of life – yet evolutionists attempt to explain life by completely ignoring it.

[Um, huh? I didn't ask if you wanted something, I just asked where antibiotics and virus strains come from? Surely you have an answer if you don't believe it is from evolution? You are apparently being rather dishonest if you are going to claim you will never believe in evolution, yet dodge a simple question I ask.]

I know what you were doing. It would just be a waste of my time to spend the couple of hours it would require for me to hunt up the information in the first place. Then whatever I say, I could be accused of using the wrong words, or being ignorant of the latest developments in science.

In reality, your question was an invitation to an argument. You don't really want to know what I think about where viruses come from.

The answer to your question is: wherever the leading authorities in YEC say viruses come from, that's what I believe.

short haired women keep angels out of church.

short hair on women and long hair on men cause angels to not operate the gifts of the spirit listed in 1 cor.12.

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.

what this means is women with short hair dishonor their husbands.1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. The unveiled part means short hair as found in vs. 15.

What happened to the Israelies when they went and fornicated with women from foreign tribes? They brought curses among themselves. These women came from tribes that worshipped idols and man made gods. A non Christian is carrying demons around them.
Simply put, you either have the Spirit of God living inside you, or you have demons living inside you. Its one or the other. both cannot be living inside you at once and there is no grounds for a neutral zone.

I often debate with evolutionists because I believe that they are narrow mindedly and dogmatically accepting evolution without questioning it. I don't really care how God did what He did. I know He did it.

the only outlet to sex is through marriage. Having sex outside of marriage leads to self destruction because the process opens the door for the demons in your partner to come into your body.

So what if its lame the first time with your wife? its not like... you aren't going to have more opportunities to make love to your spouse!

That's not how God set up marriage. Do you believe what scripture has said...because it's quite blatant about it.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

It has nothing to do w/ being better than, but that's how God set it up. That doesn't mean the woman has no leadership...but the man is the head of the household. I have no issue w/ that becasue I understand what God means by that.

If it disagrees with the King James Bible - it's wrong.

[After suggesting ID be taught in science classes, and being told "Is it not enough to teach Creationism/ID in your churches and in your homes?"]

Is it not enough for you to teach science in your churches and in your homes? Why should it be taught in our schools?