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(Redwolf47)
You guys ever feel like it’s impossible?

They told me if I get buff girls will want me. All that did was make guys impressed.

They told me if I changed my hair they would love me. All that did was add 20$ a week to my expenses.

They told me if I dressed well I’d be irresistible. All that did was make me broke.

They told me if I was confident they would fall for me. All that did was make me arrogant.

They told me if I acted tough they’d respect me. All that did was make me soft on the inside.

They told me to be myself. All that did was reveal my true failure.

Honestly no reason to try anymore.

(Belis_Atreides)
But have you tried being vulnerable? Because all that did for me was get me mocked and taken advantage of.

How comes? This is against all I thought to have learnt.
Edit: Sorry for the dumb question. I mistranslated it at first.

I was never raised to be anything other than progressive and respectful toward women, it has not advanced me an inch with gaining their interest for relationships. However, I'm willing to accept I was possibly acting in the Nice Guy^TM way in the beginning, because waaaaay back then I didn't know better. But after that course correction, it still didn't matter.

I noticed a trend with most women, from most walks of life: they want MEN

Not just in the CHad sense of the world, though not discounting that importance - they want men who are traditionally masculine. Although, they rarely came out and admitted it. Among their friends and people who they wish to curry favor with, they'll say what many here always say - and then proceed to get involved with traditional rugged and masculine men that continually hurt them.

Also, whenever they complain about men not meeting standards, like men who've approached them in the past - and even some of these bad boys - they'll attack their masculinity when they show vulnerability. "I don't want to be their mommy" is a phrase I've heard frequently. "I don't want to be their shoulder to cry on all the time"

A popular belief in red pill communities is about how men need to be a solid rock, or break wall in a woman's tumultuous sea of emotions. She wants to crash into it and know for certain it's there for support. Kinda cringe sounding, but I've seen more than enough women complain when this isn't the case.

(BraisedBuster)
Women do not care for emotional connection that exposes weakness. What are Chad features, height, facial structure, dick size? Testosterone. Masculinity. Emotional vulnerability does not correlate.

(giantillusion)
Girls honestly believe men don't show feelings because they don't have them. I already had multiple girls telling me and being shocked when I told them that's wrong

(KingBowser24)
I've gotten to the point where I can talk to girls without creeping them out or being ghosted. But, I can never make it to boyfriend.

-Some girls call me a dick for acting confident and tough

-Others think im too soft when i show emotion.

Ive had girls tell me both of these things- "Show more emotion" and "Act a little manlier"

like wtf guys lmao

(Liptusg)

It’s almost like women are multiple people with idiosyncratic tastes and there’s no perfect combo that pleases them all.

It's almost like there are combos which please them all belonging to the men perceived as the most attractive in our culture, and combos which don't like OP's who is still an incel for that reason. Whatever each woman has said, none of them would show romantic interest.

(KosmicMalware)
Cause normie advice is just that. Normie advice. Once you try all of it you realise you're one of us and not a normie. It would work for some awkward 5/10 unkempt kid. Not us.

Shitty thing about this, is unlike work or some regular task, you can't just put in X amount of effort and self-improvement to succeed. Your success is entirely dependant on a secondary party somehow wanting you over all the millions of other options available.

(Salusa-Secundus)

With all of these, you did them for others, not for yourself... That's the issue. When you do things for yourself, others will admire you.

Lmao, people say "fake it till you make it" all the time. There a no winning with you people. None at all.

People aren't fucking psychic.

That's why you need to figure out for yourself how to play the game. Most people are insecure, if you get rid of that you are already so many steps ahead of the rest. Then you figure out what YOU want and how YOU get it, instead of making twists and turns in order to get someone to do something for you or 'grant' you something like love or whatever. It's all a big fucking joke, realise it and rise above
Edit: spelling

"Most people are insecure" works for them, doesn't it?

How is angry AND insecure working for u lmao

Lots of people are both too. Look at people getting worked up over politics and religion.

What isn't working out for me is my face.

(Liptusg)
Incels want girlfriends for themselves. Are incels admired yet?

The object of desire needs a specific approach for its harness. Subtlety, self-improvement and self-respect is a miss amongst incels.

What if I don't want subtlety, your idea of self-improvement and self-respect for myself? I thought we aren't supposed to do things for others? And I also thought that women aren't a hivemind?

I know plenty of women with no subtlety, self-improvement or self-respect who have no trouble attracting male partners.

What others attract or not, is not your game. Improve your own game.. If you don't want to self-improve or respect your self, then ruin is your own.

Do you think you're Master Yoda or something? Most of your history consists of one-liners, I don't think you'd be the first person anyone should attempt a logical discourse with.

Improve your own game

My own game is just as I want to be. And you said I shouldn't do things for others.

If you don't want to self-improve

I'm feeling fine as it is except for the absence of a romantic interest.

or respect your self

I respect myself, maybe others don't, but you said we shouldn't be someone else for the sake of others. Stay on track my friend.

(GonnaNutInYourButt)
I think we need to recognize that women's online communities are radicalizing women into holding harmful beliefs about men.

The number of communities for women online absolutely dwarfs the number of men's communities. There are women's communities for just about anything you can imagine. Some of them welcome men, usually under the condition that the men not contradict their comments. Others actually exclude men entirely.

But the more I see these communities, the more I feel that they have a radicalizing effect on women who visit them to discuss women's issues. There are three especially alarming trends on them.

(1) The nonstop posts about men doing bad things to or around them

Reddit is home to the largest women's community on the internet. Since its creation, there have been thousands--possibly tens of thousands--of posts made about men engaging in all sorts of bad behavior.

Right now, if you visit the front page of that community, you will see the following posts:

A boy sexually assaulting a girl.

A woman stepping in to stop a domestic violence incident with a man losing control of his temper.

A post about women regretting giving men their phone numbers.

A woman about her relationship troubles with men and their unreliability.

A woman getting catcalled/sexually harassed outside of an adult store.

A woman with persistent dreams about close male friends of hers raping her.

I'm legitimately just reading down the list of top posts there right now. These are the top six.

Of course, it is natural that someone may want to discuss something that happened to him/her, but we have to take a couple of things into account. The first and most important is that a forum being spammed with these posts in a flood of examples of the wrongdoings of a social group is going to affect people's outlook on that group. If you were to do the same thing about Black people, your subreddit would be indistinguishable from the long-banned coontown and other knockoff communities.

In addition, you have to take everything you read on the internet with grain of salt. I'm not saying that all women lie, but I am saying that of the posts made on any women's board, there are going to be an enormous number of lies. People engage in attention seeking behavior online constantly. It is safe to call the internet a never ending stream of liquid bullshit with a few true stories mixed in here and there. Even a story that is based on a real life happening is often doctored and details are added in order to make a more entertaining tale. Not only do you have constant stories about bad men doing bad things and nobody stepping in, but many of them are either completely fabricated or partially altered to look especially dastardly.

It's purely and simply an echo chamber that indoctrinates women. Feminists will, by the way, frequently point at stories posted to these communities as evidence of #YesAllWomen.

(2) The enabling

One of the most difficult issues to tackle in men's rights related issues is the fact that women have in-group biases multitudes stronger than men's. In simple language, women love women, and are far more tolerant of their bad behavior than they are of men's.

Reddit is not as bad as many other women's communities, but the amount of enabling that occurs in these communities--usually in regards to male/female relationships where the woman is clearly wrong but her compatriots assure her that she's right--can turn even the strongest of stomachs.

Men's bad behavior is typically exaggerated, highlighted, and has a spotlight pointed on it. Women's bad behavior is minimized and excused.

(3) The outright hostility towards male posters

Have you ever been ganged up on in a discussion about women's issues by women?

Obviously it's not something that will hurt the average guy's feelings, as usually the feminists shrieking at you are barely coherent and usually just calling you an incel, but this affects the way that women inside of these communities will view men outside of them as well. Here's an example of a comment string I've seen, slightly paraphrased to avoid Googling:

(+5000~ post) Manbabies mad about Gillette's ad

(-141 comment) Isn't calling men manbabies just encouraging what you call toxic masculinity? That's hypocrisy.

(+274 response) Shouldn't you be on an incel subreddit right now?

We're all perfectly aware that feminists feel entitled to engage in any coordinated harassment of any man, and it's not like the real misandrists will ever change their way of thinking. But the onlookers who actually don't hate men can gradually be indoctrinated to by this sort of attack.

Conclusion/TLDR

Women's online communities are unbelievably toxic, and they constantly reinforce negative stereotypes about men. Yet nobody bats an eye at them.

I think the only "issue" with MGTOW at the minute is this obsession with feminists. Far be it from me to tell you chaps what to do (It's Men going THEIR own way) but I think this emphasis is pointless.
Feminism/sisterhood is a cult. I'd no longer try and convert a creationist to Darwinism than I would to a feminist to equalism.
It's their church, it's their nice comfy blanket which tells them whatever they do it's not their fault. It's an excuse, a safety net, a shield. It's a way of ensuring no accountability for their actions, it's a way of demanding society shifts to their expectations whilst never having to pick up a spade and help dig the fucking foundations. They actively want to put themselves in the same bracket as children, and demand the same protections (whilst substituting their parents for government.) No one likes to admit when they make poor life choices, feminism gives them an out. Can you not see why it's attractive to them? As men we don't or at least shouldn't do that. Make a poor life choice? Fucking learn from it brother and come back stronger, don't whine to strangers on the internet.
They need those sorts of communities (online or in real life) because they're pack animals. They cannot do a single thing for themselves without demanding validation. They love sharing problems rather than dealing with them because it lavishes them with attention, which is a woman's number one goal in life.
If we are MGTOW, do just that. They want these radical beliefs noticed because guess what? Attention. Much like a teenager wearing clothing their parents feel is inappropriate, these women want any sort of attention good or bad. They want it from their peers first, and men as an added bonus. Let them have their communities. So fucking what? They achieve the square root of fuck all 95% of the time with their various demands. By all means read, digest and deconstruct, but only if it adds value to YOUR well being. Never engage with that bullshit. I couldn't give a badgers dick on my toddlers opinions on the socio-political state of the country right now, so why would I care on a woman's? If you have the burning desire to engage, don't. Not your circus, not your monkey's.
As far as I am concerned, the more of these communities the better. If it stops them fucking moaning about how hard their lives are and how shit their interpersonal relationships are in mixed public spheres where I might come across it by accident it will be totally worth it.
TLDR: SO WHAT? WHO GIVES A SHIT?
Never apologise. Never explain

I'm afraid your point is missing a whole lot.

Women, both qualified and unqualified, are being put into positions of power faster than ever before. This is partially because it is an easy and brainless way to make a company look good.

On top of that, because of the systemic discrimination against men in schools, the proportion of male to female graduates - those put into positions of authority in the future - is going to grow more and more skewed towards women.

This isn't something we can ignore. The women undergoing this indoctrination are going to be the teachers, managers, doctors, CEOs, and world leaders of the future. They're going to be the ones pushing men to the farthest outskirts of society and punishing boys for being born the wrong sex.

I know that if my son's teacher had participated in man hating communities online I wouldn't want her (or him) to be anywhere near my son. It would be like an incel teaching your daughter ballet.

It's not as simple as what you're making it out to be.

(user_miki)
Women abuse each other ,much more than men abuse women.

If you think correctly, feminist women especially the ugly ones abuse normal women(nicer ones) by brainwashing and scaring them into submission with this appalling ideology.

For me it sounds like...... If I cannot get good looking,provider guys, you cannot have them too.They will not allow it and will shame the other women into submission.For this reason you can see many many nice good looking girl from decent families ,made themselves ugly, with blue hair , tattooed with piercings ..to fit ,be accepted into sisterhood and not offend the other(leaders)with their look.

You are right, it is a cult.Satanic cult.

(Cristi_Tanase)
Oh boy, you don't know half of it. Is not only men, in other parts they even destroy each other.

We had here in Romania a facebook group that had about 75.000 members, most of them women.

This group was supposedly made from "moms", young moms to be exact. And here goes the news.

A gynecologist (male) had seen his wife facebook and read the comments of the "moms" in that group. What that guy seen there was so incredible toxic that he marched right into a news media group and started to vilify the entire group of women.

2 days later, the entire group was deleted

Apparently what happened was a circle-jerk of insults, abuses, open hate, from one mother to another, on various topics related to pregnancy, eating disorders, sleep patterns, kids, child care and so on.

They were simply abusing each other! And we are talking die hard abuses, not just name-calling and insults. They were even violent in real life...

Couple more people stepped in, mostly fathers, a preacher and so on, and couple of posts from this group of "moms" were posted on the media.

The group was deleted in an instant.

Remember, this is woman-on-woman abuse in absence of men! There was absolutely no men involved, most men did not even knew about this group existence, and plenty of women got a ton of abuse (some got sick, others depressed, a ton of them quit the group due to abuse and harassment).

Women-on-women, on-line, on top of that this was a "young mother's support group", you know to offer "help, comfort and advice".